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2014-02-12 01:26:53 PM  
"Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

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2014-02-12 01:31:14 PM  
Petulant children

/who will get spanked before it's all over
 
2014-02-12 01:32:55 PM  
That will certainly never stand up in court.
 
2014-02-12 01:36:12 PM  
God damn these people waste a lot of time and effort pushing their bigotry...
 
2014-02-12 01:36:52 PM  
Can we just tag and release all the people that live(ed) in Kansas please.  Just a tattoo on their forehead that says 'I chose to live in Kansas' or something like that.  That way if you ever see one speaking, you are forewarned.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:05 PM  
"Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

I... I hate you, Mr. Macheers. I've never met you, but I actually have some small spark of hate for the sentiment and hypocrisy you display.
 
2014-02-12 01:38:07 PM  
Good job, mouth breathers.
 
2014-02-12 01:38:13 PM  
I use the same argument with coworkers/ family that scream about gay marriage will ruin the world.  If you dont want to get gay married, then dont.  If someone elses marriage affects your marriage than you got a an F-d up marriage.  I do wonder what will happen when this law gets thrown out, I would love to see a gay couple force Westboro Baptist to marry them.
 
2014-02-12 01:38:15 PM  
So, because I'm a Catholic and hate Protestants I'm cool to discriminate against them.

Good to know.
 
2014-02-12 01:38:57 PM  
ATTENTION:

Kansas is not part of the South.

/thank you and have a nice day
 
2014-02-12 01:39:14 PM  
granting public and private employees the right to deny services, including unemployment benefits and foster care, to same-sex couples on the basis of religious freedom.

O_o
 
2014-02-12 01:39:25 PM  
1. Kansas does rrrrrealllly stupid sh*t.
2. there are enough people so incredibly stupid that they'd elect degenerates like this and re-elect them.
3. Brownback is a terrible person, a terrible governor and deserves to be forced to live in South Beach for the rest of his days, working as a janitor cleaning up bathrooms in a very popular gay bar for minimum wage.
 
2014-02-12 01:39:53 PM  
Maybe this would have been a good bill to vote for.  Hear me out.  It singles out one group of people for special discriminating treatment, meaning it will end up in a supreme court, state probably in this case, that will throw it out and possible some other anti-gay laws as well.

nope, can't go any further, broke my brainimg.fark.net
 
2014-02-12 01:40:05 PM  
i really need to make a plural version of this

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2014-02-12 01:40:37 PM  
Wow...
 
2014-02-12 01:40:38 PM  
"Largely backed by Republican state lawmakers"

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2014-02-12 01:40:39 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Truer words, never written.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

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Was coming to paste the same quote.

Wow! in what universe does that make any sense??????
 
2014-02-12 01:40:57 PM  
Some of these states sure waste a lot of money passing unconstitutional legislation but that's just how the modern conservative do, I guess.
 
2014-02-12 01:41:11 PM  
If there needed to be anything added to the federal argument that gay people need special protections then a state passing a law saying it's OK to discriminate against them will surely help.
 
2014-02-12 01:41:43 PM  

tobcc: I use the same argument with coworkers/ family that scream about gay marriage will ruin the world.  If you dont want to get gay married, then dont.  If someone elses marriage affects your marriage than you got a an F-d up marriage.  I do wonder what will happen when this law gets thrown out, I would love to see a gay couple force Westboro Baptist to marry them.


What is their response to you? (Your coworkers / family).
 
2014-02-12 01:41:46 PM  
Kansas, meet supremacy clause.  Supremacy clause, Kansas.
 
2014-02-12 01:41:53 PM  

tobcc: I use the same argument with coworkers/ family that scream about gay marriage will ruin the world.  If you dont want to get gay married, then dont.  If someone elses marriage affects your marriage than you got a an F-d up marriage.  I do wonder what will happen when this law gets thrown out, I would love to see a gay couple force Westboro Baptist to marry them.


Churches can refuse to marry any heterosexual couples for any reason, so they can still refuse same-sex couples.
 
2014-02-12 01:41:53 PM  

Bloody William: "Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

I... I hate you, Mr. Macheers. I've never met you, but I actually have some small spark of hate for the sentiment and hypocrisy you display.


Small?  SMALL spark of hate?  You're a better person than me, apparently.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:13 PM  
Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:17 PM  
Is it only gay couples? I am assuming it is because I would have a lot of fun denying good, gay hating christians services.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:19 PM  

ristst: ATTENTION:

Kansas is not part of the South.

/thank you and have a nice day


Accidents of geography notwithstanding, I'm calling bullshiat. ;)
 
2014-02-12 01:42:32 PM  
Kansas has gay people?

pcj.typepad.com
 
2014-02-12 01:42:33 PM  
Yeah, it's farking Kansas.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:36 PM  
FTFB(ill):
treat any marriage, domestic partnership, civil union or similar arrangement as valid

Schweet.. I'm going to go open a wedding cake business in Topeka. You come to me and you are a white man and a white woman wanting to get married?

DENIED!

You're gay, bi, trans, mixed race couple. Come right in and have a seat. Here's a free sample!
 
2014-02-12 01:42:48 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

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I would just like to thank Mr. Macheers, for his help in what will inevitably lead to reinforcing the wall of separation of church and state.  Thank you for helping this country in your own backward ass and hateful of anyone not just like you way.
 
2014-02-12 01:43:02 PM  
No, I will not stop posting this quote from US v. Lee (1982):

"...Congress and the courts have been sensitive to the needs flowing from the Free Exercise Clause, but every person cannot be shielded from all the burdens incident to exercising every aspect of the right to practice religious beliefs. When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity."

But even worse in this bill is government benefits could be refused based on who is working that day. Is Chris, the evangelical Christian working your case? No unemployment benefits for you. But if Michael gets it, you're good to go.

Would that qualify for "unusual punishment" since it's not based on any regular metric?
 
2014-02-12 01:43:50 PM  
To my Kansas Representative,
     I see that you voted in favor of HB2453 a bill that is somewhat euphamistically called "An act concerning religious freedoms with respect to marriage." Not knowing you personally perhaps there's something I'm missing but I'm having a hard time figuring out what would posses you to support a bill that is so full of misleading language, bigotry and pig headed stupidity as HB2453. Please note that this is a legitimate request for clarification of your position(perhaps you were drunk at the time of the vote or suffered a recent head injury) and I look forward to your response.

sincerely,
      Voiceofreason01
 
2014-02-12 01:44:08 PM  

Mrembo: scottydoesntknow: "Discrimination is horrible. It's hurtful ... It has no place in civilized society, and that's precisely why we're moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

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Was coming to paste the same quote.

Wow! in what universe does that make any sense??????


"Your religion says that one should love and accept thy neighbor, while my religion says that I should be a hateful fark. Your laws let you love and accept people, but they don't let me be a bigot. Therefore, you're discriminating against my religious freedom!"

It's logical. Evil, twisted, and a good argument for theocide, but it's at least logical.
 
2014-02-12 01:44:12 PM  
I've heard from any number of concern trolls who have reacted to Michael Sams coming out with some variation on this: "Why do we have to hear about this? I mean, I don't care. I just wish we would get to the point where this isn't news."

Well, we can get to that point after this kind of shiat (among other things) stops.
 
2014-02-12 01:44:31 PM  
Religious freedom allows you to practice your RELIGION.

It does NOT allow you to break any law you want and claim "it's part of my religion".

If you want to claim an activity is protected by religious rights you need to:

1) Prove that your religion specifically REQUIRES you to do the specific activity.  Jews can't shoot all pigs on sight simple because we don't eat pork.  The religion requires us to avoid eating pork, not kill all pigs.
2)  Prove that your religion held that belief BEFORE the law outlawing the activity was created or failing that, that the religion was created without any attempt to subvert the law.
3) Also prove that your religious activity does NOT directly impinge on the rights of others.  You can not practice human sacrifice simply because you are practicing Incan High Priest.
 
2014-02-12 01:45:21 PM  
Also, because I'm an atheist and religious conservatives tell me that this is a religion, I can now discriminate against Christians if I move to Kansas?

I'm an asshole, but I'm not a big enough asshole to do that, but the idea is amusing. One could raise ruckus stating that they feel male/female marriages were an abomination.
 
2014-02-12 01:45:48 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.


Christ we already had this conversation last week with the guy who refuses to serve ni-*DONG*, f*gs, freaks, cripples, and anyone else he doesn't like

IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. If you are a business that is open to the general public, you don't get to decide not to serve someone simply because they're gay/black/asian/young/old/crippled/etc.

Would you be making that same statement if the wedding cake company (who is NOT a religious institution) decided to not serve a black or interracial couple getting married?
 
2014-02-12 01:46:33 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.


Read the bill a little closer.

(d) If an individual employed by a governmental entity or other non-
religious entity invokes any of the protections provided by section 1, and
amendments thereto, as a basis for declining to provide a lawful service
that is otherwise consistent with the entity's duties or policies, the
individual's employer
, in directing the performance of such service,
shall either promptly provide another employee to provide such service, or
shall otherwise ensure that the requested service is provided, if it can be
done without undue hardship to the employer



Translation: if I'm the local bumfark sheriff in BF county I can refuse to bring domestic violence charges against a couple.  If I'm the local judge, I can say fark you to the two gays who want to get married, divorced, adopt a child, or so forth.  And if you're in a one-judge or one-sheriff county you're plain the fark out of luck.
 
2014-02-12 01:47:04 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.


You mean the people who live and do business in a state where they've passed a law saying you cannot deny service based on protected classes, and include among those classes homosexuals, then proceeded to tell a gay couple that they couldn't do business with the couple because of their homosexuality?

Those people?

How about just shut up and go "I don't think I can do this, sorry." You don't have to provide a reason unless you've signed a contract - and do you think that you should get a religious out of a signed contract?
 
2014-02-12 01:47:09 PM  
Just f**king secede already.
 
2014-02-12 01:47:44 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.



The Civil Rights Act of 1964 disagrees with you.
Go ahead and google "Public Accomidations".
 
2014-02-12 01:47:48 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Meh. Probably not the greatest bill ever but I can see at least one point behind it. It will protect people like those wedding cake makers who made the news several months ago. I'm not a hard core Bible thumper nor am I an overzealous gay rights activist but no one should be forced or legally compelled to give service to another person. Sorry if that ruffles feathers.


It matters. If you decide to serve everyone except one tiny group of people, you are discriminating them. Its different if say, you get a total asshole who makes your life miserable and you ban that one person from your services, but you cant blanket an entire group.

Laws like this will make it harder to get prescriptions, services, and lodging. The democrat quoted in the article is worried about police officers which i guess makes sense. I would be more worried about pharmacies and hotels refusing service. Where would you get needed medication or a place to stay if you needed it and were denied because you "sound gay."
 
2014-02-12 01:48:35 PM  
If this passes, I wanna take up a collection.  I'm going open a storefront.  The sign in my window will say

"No Crosses.
Turbans OK."

I expect full support of my religious freedom.

/or, we can take bets on when an upstanding christian will gun me down in church
 
2014-02-12 01:48:39 PM  
Or Public Accomodations.
Either works.
 
2014-02-12 01:48:47 PM  
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2014-02-12 01:49:07 PM  
You know, theres quite a few open spots in Gitmo to put these Kansas religious extremists, who continue to commit domestic terrorism, by using their religion to write law.

/Separation of church and State is the law, either obey it or get the f*ck out
//there an African nation looking for christian freedom fighters, today.
 
2014-02-12 01:49:19 PM  

tarkin1: You can not practice human sacrifice simply because you are practicing Incan High Priest.


Crap. There goes my plan for the weekend.
 
2014-02-12 01:49:58 PM  

pueblonative: shall otherwise ensure that the requested service is provided, if it can be
done without undue hardship to the employer


"Sorry, too hard.  Fark off."
 
2014-02-12 01:49:58 PM  
Kind of a Mississippi of the Mid-West.
 
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