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(CBS News)   Belgium expected to approve euthanasia for teens. Subby understands the sentiment, but thinks that might cause problems after a generation or so   (cbsnews.com) divider line 52
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2014-02-12 12:56:13 PM  
Subby missed the obvious "Euthanasia Euthaneurope" headline.
 
2014-02-12 01:05:35 PM  
Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-12 01:08:15 PM  

vernonFL: Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.


You mean it's not all of them?

Damn.
 
2014-02-12 02:09:14 PM  
Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.
 
2014-02-12 02:09:47 PM  

vpb: vernonFL: Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.

You mean it's not all of them?

Damn.


Can we nominate candidates?  Will there be a voting system?  American Idol style?
 
2014-02-12 02:10:59 PM  
Isn't euthanasia the "Gary Glitter" cure?
 
2014-02-12 02:11:54 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby missed the obvious "Euthanasia Euthaneurope" headline.


In Asia they don't wait until the teen years.
 
2014-02-12 02:12:29 PM  

vernonFL: Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.


If we kill off a whole generation of emos and goths, who will listen to that music?
 
2014-02-12 02:13:09 PM  
This was an episode of "The twilight Zone" I don't believe.

/ Man has no future.
 
2014-02-12 02:15:18 PM  
I'm trying to think of a derogatory term to describe Belgians but all that comes to mind is French.

/surrender monkeys
 
2014-02-12 02:15:58 PM  
Imokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-02-12 02:17:00 PM  

xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.


Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?
 
2014-02-12 02:22:23 PM  
Euthanasia is only verboten because it got godwined when the Gnatzis where doing forced euthanasia as part of thier eugenics garbage.
 
2014-02-12 02:22:28 PM  
Some of my worst hangovers happened as a teen. I begged for death.
 
2014-02-12 02:23:17 PM  
BELGIUM!
 
2014-02-12 02:24:02 PM  
I'm in favour of suicide, and also for euthanasia in most cases.
 
2014-02-12 02:26:12 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Subby missed the obvious "Euthanasia Euthaneurope" headline.



Thousands of years ago... in an ancient time known as... The Eighties...
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2014-02-12 02:27:16 PM  
1.) Prevent Dr. assisted suicide.
2.) Let dying person blow their own brains out with a gun, to end the suffering
3.) Add death to gun statistics, blame guns.
4.) Profit?
 
2014-02-12 02:29:33 PM  

TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?


Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.
 
2014-02-12 02:39:29 PM  
www.cafleurebon.com
"Euthanasia... Do they belong there?"
 
2014-02-12 02:40:29 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.



When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.
 
2014-02-12 02:41:23 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I'm trying to think of a derogatory term to describe Belgians but all that comes to mind is French.

/surrender monkeys


Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards!
 
2014-02-12 02:42:33 PM  
He's in pain. I don't want him to suffer... honest.
 
2014-02-12 02:43:53 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I'm trying to think of a derogatory term to describe Belgians but all that comes to mind is French.

/surrender monkeys


Well that escalated quickly
 
2014-02-12 02:43:56 PM  

TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.


Hospice did that with my sister. Anything she needed to feel comfortable they did. Including helping her "rest" easier. This was a couple years ago.
 
2014-02-12 02:44:45 PM  

TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.


I went through this with a girlfriend's father and that is essentially what they did for him also. Increased his dosage as his condition worsened.
 
2014-02-12 03:06:20 PM  

TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.


triptheory: TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.

I went through this with a girlfriend's father and that is essentially what they did for him also. Increased his dosage as his condition worsened.


I'm glad they did, it's the humane thing to do. But you'll find lots of doctors who are afraid of lawsuits, and you'll find lots of family members who vehemently refuse anything that may hasten death. All my schooling and residency was at charity hospitals, maybe things are different in the private world.

ReverendJynxed: TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.

Hospice did that with my sister. Anything she needed to feel comfortable they did. Including helping her "rest" easier. This was a couple years ago.


Hospice is awesome. Get your loved ones on hospice care if they are dying and you can afford it, it's the best thing we have when there's not much else to offer.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:21 PM  
The source material is offensive enough  Subby, no need to be vulgar in the tagline too.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:58 PM  

vpb: vernonFL: Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.

You mean it's not all of them?

Damn.


I think we can all agree that killing off *all* teens would be bad. Let's just kill off *most* of them as a compromise, m'k?
 
2014-02-12 03:16:11 PM  

TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.


Same thing with my grandfather just a few years ago.  Problem of course is that about 20 minutes before they did this, he was awake and specifically said he did not want that to happen - that he just had the flu (which is what put him there) and that he'd pull through.  The hospital got his 3 daughters to sign release forms, then pumped him with morphine.

Never made sense to me that people pretend assisted-death (not suicide, in his case...) never happens in the US; it happens quite frequently
 
2014-02-12 03:25:28 PM  
My mom died a couple of years ago of congestive heart failure. Her last hours were spent in a Toronto hospital. Active euthanasia is not legal here in Canada, however, the doctor was allowed to turn her pacemaker off, hastening her end.

As it happened, her pacemaker was of the sort that could not be disabled, only reduced to a minimum of 30 bpm. Twenty-four hours later her heart was still beating, although she was dead by any meaningful definition.

My father was going out of his mind, and I approached a nurse and explained the situation, and asked if there were not something that could be done. A few minutes later she came into the room with Mom's pain medication -- a large syringe full of something -- and 10 minutes later, Mom drifted away.

That nurse's act of kindness and mercy could have resulted in a prison sentence. It was later explained to me that this is a daily occurrence in Canadian hospitals, and it would have been denied to my mother -- and all those others whose only crime is to not want to die in agony -- by the Christian right. I'm so glad that they're being left behind, albeit slowly.
 
2014-02-12 03:42:16 PM  
www.metal-metropolis.com
 
2014-02-12 03:48:11 PM  
In unrelated news, Justin Bieber just cancelled his concert in Antwerp next week...
 
2014-02-12 03:49:14 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-12 04:04:55 PM  
 
2014-02-12 04:24:53 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I'm trying to think of a derogatory term to describe Belgians but all that comes to mind is French.

/surrender monkeys


Never been to Belgium I take it, considering there are 3 official languages. French being only one of them.
 
2014-02-12 04:31:51 PM  
Come on, baby.
Baby, take my hand.
We'll be able to fly.
Baby, I'm your man.

La
La
La
La
La.
 
2014-02-12 04:51:51 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: In unrelated news, Justin Bieber just cancelled his concert in Antwerp next week...


Nice one!

/I'd agree to having him put out of my misery
 
2014-02-12 05:08:17 PM  
Euthanasia for Teens!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-12 05:27:55 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Hospice is awesome.


Which Spice Girl was Ho-Spice, again? I can't keep track of them...
 
2014-02-12 05:37:22 PM  
Many parents
 
2014-02-12 05:53:57 PM  

DirkTheDaring: BELGIUM!


You are one seriously unhoopy frood.
 
2014-02-12 06:33:51 PM  

AngryDragon: vpb: vernonFL: Its only in extremely limited and regulated cases. I cant see this affecting very many people.

You mean it's not all of them?

Damn.

Can we nominate candidates?  Will there be a voting system?  American Idol style?


Back in the Dark Ages, right after Roe vs. Wade, my mother would tell us that not only did she support abortion, she advocated for retroactive abortion, to age 21.  I slept with one eye open for a long time after I went to the dictionary.
 
2014-02-12 08:29:06 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


Want to know how I know you don't work in a hospital?
 
2014-02-12 08:33:49 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.

triptheory: TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.

I went through this with a girlfriend's father and that is essentially what they did for him also. Increased his dosage as his condition worsened.

I'm glad they did, it's the humane thing to do. But you'll find lots of doctors who are afraid of lawsuits, and you'll find lots of family members who vehemently refuse anything that may hasten death. All my schooling and residency was at charity hospitals, maybe things are different in the private world.

ReverendJynxed: TomD9938: Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward ab ...


D'oh!  My apologies - you obviously have a medical background.  Note to self: read the entire fricking column before commenting.
 
2014-02-12 10:08:26 PM  
Youth in Asia?

Never mind.
 
2014-02-12 10:24:44 PM  

TomD9938: When my dad was dying they had him loaded up on morphine.

He was going to die anyway, but the doctors/s basically gave us a wink and a nod and we were made to understand that the large morphine doses would keep him out of pain and hasten his heart finally stopping.

That was quite some time ago, so my recollection may not be spot on.


Yeah.  Euthanasia happens, whether it's done openly like Belgium or covertly like what you refer to.

There's also what I call euthanasia-light:  Terminal sedation.  The body lives on for a bit but the mind is out of the picture.  Since they don't provide fluid the patient dies pretty quickly anyway.  IIRC my father lasted 3 days.  (Although secondary effects from the cancer were probably what got him.  It's figured that the cancer disabled the urinary system somehow but nobody looked for the details.)
 
2014-02-13 12:04:56 AM  
It buggers the imagination that people cannot see that ones most fundamental right is ones own life. Opposition to the right to self determination completely befuddles me.
 
2014-02-13 12:10:49 AM  
Looks like there's gonna be a lot less bad teenage poetry out there. But no one will feel the effects of this more than Hot Topic.
 
2014-02-13 12:55:51 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: TomD9938: xoxo: Generous dose of pain medication sounds much nicer than euthanasia.

Agreed.

Doesn't the U.S. already have this in the form of hospital administered morphine overdose?

Not even close. America is ass backward about end of life care.


Actually hospice provides very sophisticated pain management and end of life care.

If only we could get people to accept death as a natural outcome and stop equating hospice with death panels.

We spend over 30%of all health spending right now on the laat 6 months of life.

Just wait til the boomers start to die off. They wont go quietly or cheaply into that good night.
 
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