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(Washington Post)   The good thing about cutting off federal unemployment benefits is that economists can collect more data on the "Kramer Effect": How people with no clear means of income live   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 215
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2014-02-12 03:06:48 PM

2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)


I'm guessing jobs that fail to use their developed skills and talents? The point of unemployment insurance is to reduce job immobility that sub-optimally utilizes skilled labor - in other words, keep smart people from getting stuck digging ditches for the rest of their lives.
 
2014-02-12 03:07:17 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: MyRandomName: North Carolina has already stopped long term unemployment... let's see how that is working... oh! Higher employment levels.

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2014-02-12 03:07:48 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If you don't have the government enabling you to sit on the couch you'll do what your grandparents did and move to where the work is.  I hear the Dakotas and Texas are hiring.


My grandparents went where the work was. Unfortunately for my grandparents the work was in Buchenwald and it didn't pay very well at all.

Regardless, I don't know about the Dakotas, but Texas is "hiring" if you like short-term contract work for ~$25k / yr.
 
2014-02-12 03:08:16 PM
Q: How does crime happen???


Get ready for a big increase...
 
M-G
2014-02-12 03:11:16 PM
Another set of problems....  those like Ms. McKinley in TFA who are hustling are probably not reporting that income or paying taxes on it, including FICA.  So when they go to retire, their Social Security benefits will be reduced as well.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:56 PM

netgamer7k: Since we're in the business here in America of tossing rights and gaining rights, how about a right to income? That way everyone's got money, and that money being spent generates demand! And demand = jobs!


That's not as crazy (or unproposed or unprecedented) an idea as you seem to think.  It actually works, in place of or supplemental to traditional welfare.


davespa: So she has a "job" running a non-profit AND she is collecting Unemployment


Your point?  Presumably she draws no salary or other income from the not-for-profit.
 
2014-02-12 03:12:27 PM

2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)


Lazy? fark you.

I was on unemployment after I lost my engineering job in 2008 and once that ran out I ran right out and got a job too!  I taught drafting for 4 hours a day in a location that was an 1 hour drive away.  Then I got a job in a call center for 30% of my previous wage. I was barely able to pay my student debt, I nearly went bankrupt, and I had to move back in with my mother for 8 months.  It's a good thing that makes me lazy though because otherwise I might have had the energy to put a gun in my mouth.

The good news is that I got an engineering job in 2010 and  I'll be out from under the associated debts of my hiatus from earning a decent wage by 2015.  The thing is I'm aprivileged white male with an excellent family support structure and while I never asked for orreceived a single handout I knew that one would be forthcoming if I did ask.  I had the ability to fix my problems and it still nearly ruined me.  What about all the people who don't have the numerous advantages that I have?
 
2014-02-12 03:14:28 PM

GBB: [www.washingtonpost.com image 296x586]
Much like global warming, the trend is obvious, so surely it will be refuted.


1. Just saying "BLS data" doesn't say much. Is it using the same BLS data throughout, or is that one of those charts that goes from U3 to U6 without telling us when or why?
2. You mean the most recent recession - the worst since The Great Depression - is worse than the postwar boom period (the largest expansion of wealth and access to it in US history)?! Get the fark out of town.
3. So what you're saying is: there are more unemployed people than there have been in 70 years, so we should spend EVEN LESS money than we spend now making sure they can pay rent and gas bills to avoid further descent into poverty. Great plan; I'm sure everyone will just decide to be employed tomorrow.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:21 PM
Should be some pretty good deals on eBay right about now.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:30 PM

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: All2morrowsparTs: Smeggy Smurf: If you don't have the government enabling you to sit on the couch you'll do what your grandparents did and move to where the work is.  I hear the Dakotas and Texas are hiring.

You have read the Grapes of Wrath right?

Also they will do what your Grandparents did, steal, loot, riot and /or hang aristocrats

I thought my grandfather was a mechanic.

Man, he totally had me fooled.


He probably hung aristocrats in his spare time.  You can't really make it a full-time job, or you run out of aristocrats too quickly.
 
2014-02-12 03:16:19 PM
They get off the couch, and get jobs. Studies show that time returning to work is directly related to how long unemployment benefits are. Why are economics so hard for liberals?
 
2014-02-12 03:17:32 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?


Bet it pays better than unemployment. Bet it keeps them active. Bet it doesn't cost taxpayers as much. Bet it makes them better people.
 
2014-02-12 03:19:12 PM
I don't know how others are doing it, but I've been living off savings for going on 11 months now... I've applied for over 400 jobs and had maybe a dozen interviews - I've got another one tomorrow. Fingers crossed!
 
2014-02-12 03:19:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Bet it pays better than unemployment. Bet it keeps them active. Bet it doesn't cost taxpayers as much. Bet it makes them better people.


Are there no prisons?  Are there no workhouses?
 
2014-02-12 03:20:10 PM

2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)


Yeah- operative word here is  some people. Try to not assume shiat about people until you've walked a mile or so in their shoes.

/laid off months ago... applied for hundreds of jobs. A handful of interviews. No luck. I am now facing a move to a cheaper area where I'll be working part time in retail because in my field, I'm a dime a dozen
//hoping for better times
 
2014-02-12 03:24:35 PM

rogue49: Q: How does crime happen???

Get ready for a big increase...


My college professor said much the same thing: give the poor money or they will kill you.
I say, let them eat cake:
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2014-02-12 03:25:40 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?


Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.
 
2014-02-12 03:26:04 PM

2KanZam: Wendy's Chili: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

What a compelling anecdote. I'm voting for Reagan!


I love how everyone is assuming I'm some conservative...This really did happen and it honestly surprised me.


The last time we were hiring we had a couple of applicants who asked to delay starting by a few weeks till their unemployment ran out. They wanted every last drop of free money.
 
2014-02-12 03:27:28 PM

postnobills: I don't know how others are doing it, but I've been living off savings for going on 11 months now... I've applied for over 400 jobs and had maybe a dozen interviews - I've got another one tomorrow. Fingers crossed!


Good luck!

/in same boat.
 
2014-02-12 03:27:45 PM
I thought they had shown the jobs they take are below their skill level jobs that they only take because they are desperate?
 
2014-02-12 03:29:29 PM
There certainly are people who are dicking off while collecting unemployment, but I think those people are few and far between.  a lot of people i know who have been on unemployment collect and bust their ass to find a real job as soon as humanly possible.  i only know, maybe 2 people, who have been collecting unemployment for a while and only look for work when the looming threat of their unemployment ending comes up.
 
2014-02-12 03:32:49 PM

meat0918: I thought they had shown the jobs they take are below their skill level jobs that they only take because they are desperate?


Is the argument that it's better in aggregate to have people idle than to take productive, if inferior, jobs?
 
2014-02-12 03:32:49 PM

cgraves67: The last time we were hiring we had a couple of applicants who asked to delay starting by a few weeks till their unemployment ran out. They wanted every last drop of free money.


Then you should rescind the offers, because they're dumb for two reasons:
1. Wages pay more than UI. Unless what you were offering was 75% of their last paycheck, they literally threw money away staying on unemployment.
2. Income taxes are higher on UI than on income, since you're paying the full 10.2% of FICA.

Perhaps they wanted two more weeks of "freedom" before starting work? Personally, I was hurting for cash (even asked to start a week early), but I've known of new hires who waited for some life event to happen before starting a new job.
 
2014-02-12 03:35:05 PM

cgraves67: 2KanZam: Wendy's Chili: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

What a compelling anecdote. I'm voting for Reagan!


I love how everyone is assuming I'm some conservative...This really did happen and it honestly surprised me.

The last time we were hiring we had a couple of applicants who asked to delay starting by a few weeks till their unemployment ran out. They wanted every last drop of free money.


Or maybe they didn't want a break in cash flow due to recurring costs they couldn't absorb.
 
2014-02-12 03:35:59 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: I thought they had shown the jobs they take are below their skill level jobs that they only take because they are desperate?

Is the argument that it's better in aggregate to have people idle than to take productive, if inferior, jobs?


It's better to have people take jobs according to their skill level, and failing that, keep them from hitting complete bottom so we don't destabilize society through rising crime and hopelessness.

If you have high skilled people in low skilled jobs, those low skilled people have no jobs.  A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

Also, raise the minimum wage if you're expecting people that made $30 hour before losing their jobs to take a minimum wage one to make ends meet, assuming that McDonald's would hire him in the first place.
 
2014-02-12 03:39:47 PM

meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.


What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?
 
2014-02-12 03:42:38 PM
Thunderpipes:
Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Bet it pays better than unemployment. Bet it keeps them active. Bet it doesn't cost taxpayers as much. Bet it makes them better people.


Unemployment pays 2/3 of your previous wages. At 20$/hour, that's a little over 13$/hour.
Minimum wage pays what, 8$/hour?

Keeps them active? How? By going onto a computer and putting in job applications online all day? Sounds like the opposite of active.

And how in the world would it make them better people? By learning to live with less, by starving, by having to give up on the American Dream?
How do you know that will work in that way? Is it because you have so few brain cells?
 
2014-02-12 03:43:55 PM
They go to Florida and have their blankets taken away.
 
2014-02-12 03:44:01 PM

MyRandomName: North Carolina has already stopped long term unemployment... let's see how that is working... oh! Higher employment levels.



Employment levels which are measured by the number of people who are not on unemployment .........
 
2014-02-12 03:45:27 PM
cgraves67:

The last time we were hiring we had a couple of applicants who asked to delay starting by a few weeks till their unemployment ran out. They wanted every last drop of free money.

Pro tip: Pay a wage higher than unemployment and you won't have this 'problem'.
 
2014-02-12 03:45:49 PM

durbnpoisn: DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.


You know you can't refuse work while on unemplyoment, legally speaking, right?

I'm assuming you mean you can't waste your time looking for lower paying jobs...

But I have to point this out: what gets you a job the fastest? Getting ANY other job, and making a good reference for yourself.
 
2014-02-12 03:46:11 PM
Get a Job?
 
2014-02-12 03:47:24 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?


It's his fault, then. The market is perfect and has opportunities for everybody who is not a lazy farking piece of shiat. It's always your fault. Always. Your. Fault. Always. Always. Always.

What rank bullshiat.

 [radicalunjobbing.files.wordpress.com image 452x433]

Bucky Fuller was and is right. We have more people working than we need because everyone has to work for HIMSELF. You can't pitch in for the general wellbeing.

But the reason is not Mathusian-Darwinian so much as it is carefully cultivated resentment on the part of the White, conservative, lower middle class, obeying the dictates foisted on them by the White, conservative upper class.

In other words, you have to work because people hate you if you don't.
 
2014-02-12 03:47:58 PM

tlars699: durbnpoisn: DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.

You know you can't refuse work while on unemplyoment, legally speaking, right?

I'm assuming you mean you can't waste your time looking for lower paying jobs...

But I have to point this out: what gets you a job the fastest? Getting ANY other job, and making a good reference for yourself.


Ummmm, no.
 
2014-02-12 03:48:06 PM
I couldn't find a job in my own field, so I started my own business, since I got really tired of the idea of being beholden to someone for employment. I resolved that day to never have a boss again, and have been quite happy with the results.

That being said, I make about 25% of what I did before my job moved out of town, but I've only been up and running for 18 months or so, so I'm not too concerned. Still, I love what I do, I love going to work and working, but have been focused much more on building contacts and contracts than doing the actual work my business requires.
 
2014-02-12 03:48:21 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?


He'll find something, but I know if I was a manager hiring for a low skill job, I would not hire an engineer for that position.
 
2014-02-12 03:48:31 PM
 
2014-02-12 03:48:52 PM

bikerific: [img.fark.net image 356x480]


Friend of mine posted this on facebook.

Because obviously unemployed people drinking on the stoop are a big voting demographic.



A friend of mine did the same.  Oddly enough she's an accountant so she probably does more sitting then the stoop sitting voter pictured.

/I just got my welfare handout.
//By welfare handout I mean the hidden welfare of home ownership tax benefits.
 
2014-02-12 03:50:31 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?


Why would they when we now have the fad of 'employing' college-educated interns to do for free jobs that paid pretty well 10 years ago?

And why would anyone hire the engineer at a lower wage anyway, considering they should realistically expect him to vanish as soon as he finds a job that pays him in accordance with his skills?
 
2014-02-12 03:50:46 PM
Ask any of these fellows:
www.biography.com
ellabakercenter.org
retired.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2014-02-12 03:50:48 PM
2KanZam:  I love how everyone is assuming I'm some conservative...This really did happen and it honestly surprised me.

Nothing triggers a response on Fark like presenting anecdotes as data.  I didn't think that's what you were doing, but I could see how it could be taken that way.

You're not wrong about people like your friends - they are part of the problem.  How do you extend benefits for people who's time society has decided isn't worth much without also extending them for people who just aren't motivated.

At some point, perhaps due to outsourcing but also due to productivity increases, we will reach a scenario where there are just far fewer jobs than there are people in the labor pool.  I'm not sure if we'll be willing to find practical answers for that problem; Americans really don't want to give up the idea that work is the key to everything for nearly everybody.   (Nor do we seem to like the idea of paying min. wage to people who pick fruit - so even the jobs we do have might not help the problem.)

/soylent green time?
 
2014-02-12 03:51:22 PM

tlars699: durbnpoisn: DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.

You know you can't refuse work while on unemplyoment, legally speaking, right?

I'm assuming you mean you can't waste your time looking for lower paying jobs...

But I have to point this out: what gets you a job the fastest? Getting ANY other job, and making a good reference for yourself.


I can see it now. ..

"Well yes I have lots of experience in improving efficiency through leveraging technology.  Call my Reference Bill Swanson, he'll tell you how I used noise cancelling headphones to shut out distractions and improve my best time for constructing a bag mac by a whole second."

"At my current job I answer phone calls from idiot parents who are upset about the costs of their kids text messaging constantly despite numerous noted warnings from other sales reps that they should either block messaging or get a plan that includes messaging so I think i'm fully capable of negotiating the new union contract for your company."
 
2014-02-12 03:52:59 PM

meat0918: I thought they had shown the jobs they take are below their skill level jobs that they only take because they are desperate?


You are correct sir, but that does not fit the conservative dialogue.
 
2014-02-12 03:54:29 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?


Then he can't pay his student loans back.
 
2014-02-12 03:54:46 PM

Catlenfell: There are no easy answers. Anyone who says that they have one is trying to sell you something.


CAPITALISM!!!
 
2014-02-12 03:56:58 PM

meat0918: YixilTesiphon: meat0918: I thought they had shown the jobs they take are below their skill level jobs that they only take because they are desperate?

Is the argument that it's better in aggregate to have people idle than to take productive, if inferior, jobs?

It's better to have people take jobs according to their skill level, and failing that, keep them from hitting complete bottom so we don't destabilize society through rising crime and hopelessness.

If you have high skilled people in low skilled jobs, those low skilled people have no jobs.  A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

Also, raise the minimum wage if you're expecting people that made $30 hour before losing their jobs to take a minimum wage one to make ends meet, assuming that McDonald's would hire him in the first place.


So, you cannot look for a job while you have one? You do realize, employers don't like people who spend long times on unemployment?

Stay classy, libs. But heh, now you can focus on your painting, according to Pelosi.
 
2014-02-12 03:59:39 PM

YixilTesiphon: meat0918: A guy with an engineering degree shouldn't be working as a burger flipper.

What if nobody wants to employ him to be an engineer?


You guys talk about jobs as if they go to the highest educated bidder.  As someone with a degree that had to look for that kind of work for a while I'm here to tell you....  THEY DON'T WANT YOU.

I was told by a few people they liked my hustle and work ethic, they just couldn't justify hiring someone with a degree who could switch jobs down the road when they could instead hire a single parent struggling to make ends meet.  That second candidate could truly need that job for the rest of their life.

People who hire for burger flipping jobs hate turnover.  They avoid 'flight risks' whenever possible.
 
2014-02-12 04:01:05 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?


You think people are are fabricating anecdotes, but this is really happening.  It was even in the segments on MSNBC, talking about long-term benefits being terminated, presumably with the intention of increasing support.

A father of two, project manager, out of work for 2 years. He was worried because if they cut his benefits, he might even have to get a job doing MANUAL LABOR!

Of course it's not the job you wish for. I was out of work for 13 weeks in 2002 after losing my job making $72,000 a year and unable to find a job that was "up to my standards."

Do you know what I did when benefits ran out? I took a job paying $49,000 a year that I would have called "beneath me" a few weeks earlier.
 
2014-02-12 04:01:14 PM

fat_free: tlars699: durbnpoisn: DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.

You know you can't refuse work while on unemplyoment, legally speaking, right?

I'm assuming you mean you can't waste your time looking for lower paying jobs...

But I have to point this out: what gets you a job the fastest? Getting ANY other job, and making a good reference for yourself.

Ummmm, no.


When you are on unemployment you have to report in every week(at least we do here in WI).

You are required to answer several questions that you are required to answer truthfully; otherwise, if found out, you could have all of you benefits revoked and/or may have to pay some of them back.

One of these questions is "Have you refused any work that offers pay for hours worked this week?"
If you have, you don't qualify for benefits that week.

And for the other part: Yes. It has been shown in multiple studies: the longer you are on only unemployment, the less desirable you appear to companies. If you otherwise keep occupied, you clearly are amibitious/go-getting/positive person.

Who doesn't know this?
 
2014-02-12 04:05:57 PM

Egoy3k: tlars699: durbnpoisn: DarkSoulNoHope: 2KanZam: I used to dismiss the idea that these extended unemployement benefits keep people from working by allowing them to live off the gov't.

But I have a few (lazy) acquaintences whom have been laid off for some time now and "couldn't find a job anywhere"...well as soon as their benefits were cut recently, *POOF* they suddenly both came up with jobs!

Huh, whodathunkit? (seriously, I had no idea some people really were THAT lazy)

Yay! Jobs! Now, question, these fictional acquaintances of yours, did they find a job so fast in pay comparable or better than their old job or did they get a job so low in pay that it won't even cover basic needs?

Pretty much, this.

I have spent my share of time being between contracts, and having to collect unemployment benefits.  My benefits were paying the max, which translates in real-world money to about $15/hr.  So, while looking for work, I couldn't take a position that would pay me less than that, because I would litterally be pissing away time that could be used to find a job that paid more than my benefits.

I don't know that that is true for everyone.  But, that was the situation for me.

You know you can't refuse work while on unemplyoment, legally speaking, right?

I'm assuming you mean you can't waste your time looking for lower paying jobs...

But I have to point this out: what gets you a job the fastest? Getting ANY other job, and making a good reference for yourself.

I can see it now. ..

"Well yes I have lots of experience in improving efficiency through leveraging technology.  Call my Reference Bill Swanson, he'll tell you how I used noise cancelling headphones to shut out distractions and improve my best time for constructing a bag mac by a whole second."

"At my current job I answer phone calls from idiot parents who are upset about the costs of their kids text messaging constantly despite numerous noted warnings from other sales reps that they should either block messaging ...


You know there are other jobs aside from Burger flipper. And why make telemarketing/customer service out to be so negative? It usually pays more than min wage, and if you've got good people skills/positive attitude it can really pay off in the reference dept.
Also, working as a telemarketer/customer service can get you benefits to last you in the meantime, while still working on finding a higher level job.
 
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