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(Huffington Post)   Maine Governor opposes desperately needed lifesaving drug because reasons   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 71
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2014-02-12 01:08:00 PM
10 votes:
Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.
2014-02-12 01:11:50 PM
6 votes:
"I'm opposing this bill because people shouldn't do bad things."

"Uh, Governor, people will still do bad things, this just helps mitigate the damage."

"PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!  PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!  PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!"
2014-02-12 01:00:36 PM
5 votes:
Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?
2014-02-12 11:11:24 AM
5 votes:

FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.
2014-02-12 11:09:56 AM
5 votes:
i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.
2014-02-12 01:55:09 PM
4 votes:

mike_d85: 1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


from the article:

Karla Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego's School of Medicine,   on Los Angeles' Skid Row that taught intravenous drug users how to administer naloxone. Her research concluded that knowing more about the overdose treatment did not encourage drug users to use more. Instead, it appeared to do the opposite. More than half of those who went through the program actually reported decreased drug use at a follow-up interview, Wagner's study found.
2014-02-12 01:21:50 PM
4 votes:

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!


This.

"Vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease? That'll just encourage 'em to have sex!"

"Medication to help with overdoses? That'll just encourage people to be more reckless with drugs!"


Let's carry that through to other things:

"Seat belts? That'll just encourage people to drive more recklessly!"

"Umbrella? That'll just encourage people to stay outside when it's raining!"

....
2014-02-12 01:15:47 PM
4 votes:
And while we're at it, let's remove seat belts and airbags from cars. They just encourage unsafe driving habits.
2014-02-12 02:14:56 PM
3 votes:

Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.


aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.
2014-02-12 02:01:05 PM
3 votes:
And my longtime conservative friends and relatives wonder why I hate conservatives, just hate them, for what they've let themselves become and want them to never, ever get anything they want.

They've gone far beyond just speaking up for their own worldview and have become a bunch of ugly, resentful people who can't seem to inflict enough cruelty on those they look down on.
2014-02-12 01:22:14 PM
3 votes:
Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?
2014-02-12 01:16:19 PM
3 votes:
 Remember this next tome someone on the right tells you that drug laws are to protect people. They could give a shiat less about people, it's all about ideology and their "culture war". Which is also why they support locking non violent drug offenders away with violent criminals and marking their record for life while claiming "it's for their own good" nothing less than hate and malice in their heart on this one I'm afraid.
2014-02-12 01:16:12 PM
3 votes:
Mainer here... LePage won the election after an Independent candidate split the Democratic vote, we have been making Fark regularly since then... and more good news farkers, with the election coming up... it is all set to happen again.

/Hate the bastard.
2014-02-12 01:14:50 PM
3 votes:

CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.


This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.
2014-02-12 01:10:52 PM
3 votes:
Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.
2014-02-12 12:11:05 PM
3 votes:

propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.


First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.
2014-02-12 11:17:35 AM
3 votes:
They really are the party of dickholes.
2014-02-12 02:04:10 PM
2 votes:
Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

WARNING!Spin-like typing detected! More data needed! Follow the handy link:

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.
2014-02-12 01:47:22 PM
2 votes:
Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

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2014-02-12 01:29:15 PM
2 votes:

DrBenway: But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


Same way we got saddled with Teatarded governors in other supposedly sane states: morons sat out the 2010 elections.
2014-02-12 01:25:51 PM
2 votes:
Heroin users typically vote Democratic. He's just being pragmatic.
2014-02-12 01:24:38 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.
2014-02-12 01:18:38 PM
2 votes:
BTW, this is an EXACT parallel of the government "denaturing" industrial ethanol in the 1920s to ensure that people who drank it would get sick and/or die. An estimated 10,000 people died from poisoning in pursuit of Prohibition. Let's hope Maine's death toll is lower.
2014-02-12 01:17:45 PM
2 votes:
I hope he ODs on a bowl of dicks.
2014-02-12 01:15:45 PM
2 votes:
Republicans: Can't live with 'em, can't get 'em involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility.
2014-02-12 01:14:45 PM
2 votes:
My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.
2014-02-12 01:11:12 PM
2 votes:
Really, if you OD on heroin is there anything to live for anyways?
2014-02-12 01:05:27 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


I'm going to skip his family, and just hope he dies. He can OD if he wants, but really just die.
2014-02-12 11:47:08 AM
2 votes:
What do your stupid facts matter when I have BELIEFS? And I believe the fastest way to solve our state's heroin problem is to encourage junkies to die as quickly as possible without interference from the state. Buncha do-gooder buttinskis need to mind their own beeswax.

But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.
2014-02-12 11:35:55 AM
2 votes:
"His main objection is his belief -- and I have to emphasize 'his belief' because there is no evidence that supports this at all -- his belief that increasing the availability of Narcan or naloxone will lead the drug user or drug abuser to have this feeling of invincibility," Gideon said.

LePage spokesman Peter Steele told HuffPost that the governor's office does not comment on bills before they reach his desk. But opposition to naloxone access would be in line with his veto last year of a similar bill meant to provide legal immunity for health professionals administering naloxone to those suffering from an overdose. LePage also vetoed a bill last year to create "Good Samaritan" protections from prosecution for drug possession for people who call 911 when they suspect a companion has overdosed.


Wow....this guy really is a grade-A asshole.
2014-02-12 11:29:33 AM
2 votes:
Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!
2014-02-12 11:29:22 AM
2 votes:
This cannot possibly be for real.

Is this motherf*cker serious?
2014-02-12 09:39:13 PM
1 votes:

Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd


I was prescribed Norco after my appendectomy a couple years ago. I'd been on a morphine drip in the hospital, and that shiat was a very close second in terms of pain relief. I'll readily admit that I was bummed when the little bottle (maybe 16 pills?) was empty and my surgeon laughed in my face when I asked for a refill.

I can definitely understand someone getting addicted to an opioid.
2014-02-12 04:04:23 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: OK, we're just plain not arguing the same point.


Right, because you moved your goalposts without even realizing it.  Your initial argument was based upon the belief that if you let drug users have access to naloxone, it will reduce the consequences of drug usage and as a result, drug use will actually go up.

mike_d85: Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders. Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


That's what I'm arguing against.  So this study happened:

Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),

Drug users were taught many things about drug overdose, including the use of naloxone.  Tested later, the authors found in particular a significant increase in knowledge about naloxone.  Seems that caught on with drug users.  These drug users then went on and 22 of them responded to ODs themselves.  In 80% of those cases, the drug users used naloxone.

By your hypothesis, those drug users would be more likely to use again.  As you phrased it, that would "enable them."

mike_d85: Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


Remember?  So were those drug users more likely to use again?

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use


No, they were not more likely.  If anything, they were less likely to use again.  Your hypothesis is thus rejected.
2014-02-12 03:50:50 PM
1 votes:

CJHardin: Carn: CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.

Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.

As you may already know, it is suspected that the heroin that Phillip Seymour Hoffman ODed on had Fentanyl as a cutting agent.  They use that a lot so they can step on the heroin more and it will still have the same or better kick to it.


shiat, no I hadn't heard about that.   http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/05/us-usa-hoffman-drugs-idUSBR E A1404S20140205
2014-02-12 03:38:32 PM
1 votes:

TonnageVT: Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

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2014-02-12 03:11:49 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.


It's the same faulty reasoning behind most of their policies: that fear is the only possible motivator.  That's why whenever a situation comes up where they want people to choose Option 1 over Option 2, their strategy is ALWAYS to put effort into making Option 2 worse rather than Option 1 better.

/the problem, of course, being that what was Option 1 in one decision is Option 2 in another, so the net result is that everything is made worse
2014-02-12 02:44:40 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: lennavan: That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564

METHODS:
During a 1-h training session participants learned skills to prevent, recognise, and respond to opioid overdoses, including: calling for emergency services, performing rescue breathing, and administering an intramuscular injection of naloxone (an opioid antagonist).

Education was the only factor I see tested.  That study shows education on the effects and treatment of opioid overdoses is effective.  Which I would he happy to see and fund with my tax dollars.


RESULTS:
Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),
2014-02-12 02:29:07 PM
1 votes:
Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd
2014-02-12 02:26:15 PM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.

This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.


It's not like people are making random guesses. It's based on what his administration actually said, and the fact that he vetoed a similar bill last year for similar reasons.
2014-02-12 02:19:53 PM
1 votes:

TopoGigo: That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

WARNING!Spin-like typing detected! More data needed! Follow the handy link:

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.

Dude, it's a five-year trend sharply reversed in one year. Don't act like it's textbook cherry picking.


28 deaths is not a tragedy. It's hardly a statistic. In the time they've spent arguing about it many, many, many times as many people have died in car accidents. The faux "impending epidemic" combined with the strawman for the Governor's arguments combined with the entire issue being related to a recent celebrity death just smells to high hell of Grade A USDA BULLSH*T. Sorry, not going to take the bait on this manufactured outrage.

Yes, drug warriors are terrible people. 28 people dead a year isn't even on the list when it comes to "lives destroyed by the drug war".  I'm going to assume that the fact this is even coming up is because the Huffington Post supports a different political party than the governor, and I refuse to be part of that sleazy business.
2014-02-12 02:19:30 PM
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.


This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.
2014-02-12 02:18:17 PM
1 votes:
I see my random potato has logged in for a good old fashioned shilling.
2014-02-12 02:16:07 PM
1 votes:

Fizics: It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!


You told the world more about your sh*tty family and your sh*tty parenting than you realized.
2014-02-12 02:11:11 PM
1 votes:

unchellmatt: Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?


Yes. The tea party opposition to keystone is well documented despite 4 studies . Same with GMO foods like Salmon. And dont forget their denial of scientific studies on fracking .
2014-02-12 02:10:56 PM
1 votes:

udhq: You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Refusing to hop on your dogpile isn't defending the other side.
2014-02-12 02:08:26 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: "His main objection is his belief -- and I have to emphasize 'his belief' because there is no evidence that supports this at all -- his belief that increasing the availability of Narcan or naloxone will lead the drug user or drug abuser to have this feeling of invincibility," Gideon said.

LePage spokesman Peter Steele told HuffPost that the governor's office does not comment on bills before they reach his desk. But opposition to naloxone access would be in line with his veto last year of a similar bill meant to provide legal immunity for health professionals administering naloxone to those suffering from an overdose. LePage also vetoed a bill last year to create "Good Samaritan" protections from prosecution for drug possession for people who call 911 when they suspect a companion has overdosed.

Wow....this guy really is a grade-A asshole.


Why is HuffPo including a strawman argument of the governor's views? Is there any proof those are his views? Or is this a straight assumption the reader is supposed to take as fact? shiatty journalism. Is Gideon a mind reader?
2014-02-12 02:05:19 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"


That ignores my point that some people think treatment is magically perfect.

Here we go with "kids" again (In general, not specifically in this exchange).  I
How many children users or accidental overdoses (hot ahold of grannie's pills or some such) who would have this treatment in their home?

Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders.  Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.
2014-02-12 01:56:23 PM
1 votes:
There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.
2014-02-12 01:52:12 PM
1 votes:

udhq: Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?

Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Really? I could have sworn the first three words I typed were "This is wrong." Can you explain how that is supporting him?
2014-02-12 01:51:50 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: Just to play devil's advocate. Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."

1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone. You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.


That's funny, the 1 piece of information I gathered from that is HOLY FARKING SHIAT HIS BROTHER ALMOST DIED FROM A HEROIN OVERDOSE.

mike_d85: Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects. These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"
2014-02-12 01:47:35 PM
1 votes:

madgordy: isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).


all of those things cost money... how could we possibly pay for all of those things?  raise taxes on capital gains?  That would just be silly... the multi-generational wealthy wouldn't be able to afford dancing horses and garages with elevators like they deserve.  Why do you hate america?  Next I suppose you're going to say corporations should have fewer loopholes and pay more taxes...
2014-02-12 01:43:34 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.


What is this overdose withdrawal that you are speaking of.  You realize that they are totally separate issues right?
2014-02-12 01:40:39 PM
1 votes:
isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).
2014-02-12 01:37:21 PM
1 votes:

Cdr.Murdock: Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.

While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.


It's easy. This guy is, effectively, wishing death on many people's loved ones. It's a normal human emotion to want to inflict the sort of pain on him that he's so cavalier about handing out to others. It's not right, but it damn sure is understandable.
2014-02-12 01:35:07 PM
1 votes:

asmodeus224: People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious


Yeah, I'm going to give myself diabetes because insulin exists.
2014-02-12 01:32:02 PM
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People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious
2014-02-12 01:31:54 PM
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Unless I misunderstood the article he hasn't done anything yet or released a statement in favor or against the bill that hasn't reached his desk. I mean, the article implied it would reflect a different position he had on a different bill. I guess that's good enough to hope he dies for Fark.
2014-02-12 01:31:03 PM
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lennavan: Wait, there's a drug I can take to ease the severe withdrawl symptoms if I survive ODing on heroin?  Farking SWEET, that was the only thing holding me back.


I believe you are thinking of Naltrexone which is used as a opioid receptor antagonist to reduce withdraw symptoms.  The Narcan is Naloxone which is an opioid antagonist which is used for emergency overdose treatment.
2014-02-12 01:29:29 PM
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You know what, eff it.  I'm gonna side with the governor.  Kinda trolling, kinda not.

1 - I'll warrant that first responders and hospitals need easy access, but giving it directly to users irresponsible and reckless.  Reject that shiat.

2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward.  Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk.  While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

3 - As someone who has had friends die of drug overdoses I can heartlessly and callously say that I'm glad they didn't have children.  I've seen plenty of kids raised by parents with substance abuse problems that ruined THEIR lives causing them to get strung out.  There is a generational impact that I approve of.  I'll take the risk of foster parenting over raised in a crack house any day.
2014-02-12 01:29:06 PM
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Oh, this guy. The one who took a crowbar to a mural of Maine workers hanging in Maine's Department of Labor building. Here's the socialist horror in question, if you're wondering. (CONSERVATIVE TRIGGER WARNING: blah people, strikers, and women with jobs.)

madamepickwickartblog.com

Basically, this guy is Chris Christie without the charm, subtlety, or emotional stability. He'll get his.
2014-02-12 01:24:18 PM
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Governor William J. Le Petomane: What the hell is this?

Hedley Lamarr: This is the bill that will convert the state hospital for heroin addicts into the William J. Le Petomane memorial drug shopping center for heroin addicts.

Governor William J. Le Petomane: [Standing up proudly] Gentlemen, this bill will be a giant step forward in the treatment of the insane heroin addict.

affordablehousinginstitute.org
2014-02-12 01:20:49 PM
1 votes:

The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?


Maybe it was part of the party pledge.
2014-02-12 01:17:55 PM
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The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?




Yes
2014-02-12 01:13:54 PM
1 votes:
So until he gets his cut , he doesn't care.
2014-02-12 12:23:24 PM
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propasaurus: Nabb1: propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.

First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.

Unless, of course, one is a Republican governor, apparently. You seem to reserve your outrage for random internet posters while hand-waving away a Republican elected official wishing death on his constituents.


Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?
2014-02-12 12:16:38 PM
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Nabb1: propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.

First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.


Unless, of course, one is a Republican governor, apparently. You seem to reserve your outrage for random internet posters while hand-waving away a Republican elected official wishing death on his constituents.
2014-02-12 12:07:50 PM
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Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.
2014-02-12 12:00:34 PM
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I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.
2014-02-12 11:50:10 AM
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FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


Oh, but you can absolutely bet that if his granddaughter did OD on heroin, there would be a syringe full of Narcan standing by for her.
2014-02-12 11:13:25 AM
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Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.


FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


This and that.
I'm the first one in line to replace clinics with cots and handcuffs, but narcan saves lives.
Fark the entire LePage froggy family.
May he get broken into by a ravenous junkie who eats his eyes out and leaves him alive with AIDS and Hep C.
 
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