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2014-02-12 02:00:32 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?

Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.

I was just telling this story last night.

I didn't know about anything that happened afterwards, though, once Teddy and whomever skipped town. That's crazy.


Hm. I guess I got a couple details wrong, but here:

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-28159-man-who-fled-car-crash- wa nts-appeals-court-to-nix-his-restitution-requirement.html
 
2014-02-12 02:01:05 PM  
And my longtime conservative friends and relatives wonder why I hate conservatives, just hate them, for what they've let themselves become and want them to never, ever get anything they want.

They've gone far beyond just speaking up for their own worldview and have become a bunch of ugly, resentful people who can't seem to inflict enough cruelty on those they look down on.
 
2014-02-12 02:02:29 PM  
any chance mainers will throw this teabagger asshole out in november?
 
2014-02-12 02:02:40 PM  
I'd dig up a link to her boyfriend's OD, but this is a public forum, and that's a little to crass even for me. If you want badly enough, EIP and I'll give you his name if you've forgotten it.
 
2014-02-12 02:03:57 PM  
FTA: "bill increasing access ...."

this means "provide for free" ?
 
2014-02-12 02:04:10 PM  
Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.
 
2014-02-12 02:05:19 PM  

lennavan: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"


That ignores my point that some people think treatment is magically perfect.

Here we go with "kids" again (In general, not specifically in this exchange).  I
How many children users or accidental overdoses (hot ahold of grannie's pills or some such) who would have this treatment in their home?

Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders.  Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.
 
2014-02-12 02:06:47 PM  
Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.
 
2014-02-12 02:06:55 PM  
I propose that we ban Epinephrine because that only encourages people to eat foods that they are allergic to.  I mean, without the consequences of death, people with peanut allergies are going to be chowing down PB&Js like there is no tomorrow!
 
2014-02-12 02:06:56 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.


Dude, it's a five-year trend sharply reversed in one year. Don't act like it's textbook cherry picking.
 
2014-02-12 02:08:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "His main objection is his belief -- and I have to emphasize 'his belief' because there is no evidence that supports this at all -- his belief that increasing the availability of Narcan or naloxone will lead the drug user or drug abuser to have this feeling of invincibility," Gideon said.

LePage spokesman Peter Steele told HuffPost that the governor's office does not comment on bills before they reach his desk. But opposition to naloxone access would be in line with his veto last year of a similar bill meant to provide legal immunity for health professionals administering naloxone to those suffering from an overdose. LePage also vetoed a bill last year to create "Good Samaritan" protections from prosecution for drug possession for people who call 911 when they suspect a companion has overdosed.

Wow....this guy really is a grade-A asshole.


Why is HuffPo including a strawman argument of the governor's views? Is there any proof those are his views? Or is this a straight assumption the reader is supposed to take as fact? shiatty journalism. Is Gideon a mind reader?
 
2014-02-12 02:10:16 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?


If I was a heroin addict, I'd probably want to live in a city with lots of heroin. That would probably be the only criterion.
 
2014-02-12 02:10:36 PM  
Admittedly, I can't see living in Maine without heroin.

/regardless of who's governor
//except maybe in jun
 
2014-02-12 02:10:56 PM  

udhq: You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Refusing to hop on your dogpile isn't defending the other side.
 
2014-02-12 02:11:11 PM  

unchellmatt: Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?


Yes. The tea party opposition to keystone is well documented despite 4 studies . Same with GMO foods like Salmon. And dont forget their denial of scientific studies on fracking .
 
2014-02-12 02:11:29 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?


You might like this:

www.landoverbaptist.org

Jesus for Unreal Tournament.

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-12 02:14:42 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?

If I was a heroin addict, I'd probably want to live in a city with lots of heroin. That would probably be the only criterion.


Reminds me if the famous appearance of a 1930's bank robber who was interviewed by Johnny Carson in the 1970's.

Carson: "So, why did you rob banks?"

Robber: "That's where they keep the money."
 
2014-02-12 02:14:56 PM  

Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.


aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.
 
2014-02-12 02:16:07 PM  

Fizics: It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!


You told the world more about your sh*tty family and your sh*tty parenting than you realized.
 
2014-02-12 02:18:08 PM  

offmymeds: The Goddamn Batman: Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?

You might like this:



Jesus for Unreal Tournament.


GODLIKE!!
 
2014-02-12 02:18:17 PM  
I see my random potato has logged in for a good old fashioned shilling.
 
2014-02-12 02:19:30 PM  

Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.


This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.
 
2014-02-12 02:19:53 PM  

TopoGigo: That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.

Dude, it's a five-year trend sharply reversed in one year. Don't act like it's textbook cherry picking.


28 deaths is not a tragedy. It's hardly a statistic. In the time they've spent arguing about it many, many, many times as many people have died in car accidents. The faux "impending epidemic" combined with the strawman for the Governor's arguments combined with the entire issue being related to a recent celebrity death just smells to high hell of Grade A USDA BULLSH*T. Sorry, not going to take the bait on this manufactured outrage.

Yes, drug warriors are terrible people. 28 people dead a year isn't even on the list when it comes to "lives destroyed by the drug war".  I'm going to assume that the fact this is even coming up is because the Huffington Post supports a different political party than the governor, and I refuse to be part of that sleazy business.
 
2014-02-12 02:20:55 PM  
Yeah I can see the logic behind this....

Bill: Hey man lets try heroin!
Dave: That sounds like a perfect idea and a wonderful way to enjoy our Saturday night except for one thing, I just read that if we OD we won't have naloxone to save us!
Bill:Oh, that sucks, lets pray and fill out applications to join the military instead.
Both: USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-02-12 02:26:15 PM  

MyRandomName: Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.

This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.


It's not like people are making random guesses. It's based on what his administration actually said, and the fact that he vetoed a similar bill last year for similar reasons.
 
2014-02-12 02:27:03 PM  

mike_d85: That ignores my point that some people think treatment is magically perfect.


mike_d85: Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders. Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564
 
2014-02-12 02:28:42 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.


What a coincidence that it corresponds with Governor Belief shutting down all services for drug users.

There is so much fark-headedness in this. Do we really want people in charge that will only change their opinions if Bon Jovi tells them they're wrong?

/not even close to halfway there
//governing by a prayer
 
2014-02-12 02:29:07 PM  
Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd
 
2014-02-12 02:35:51 PM  

lennavan: That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564

METHODS:
During a 1-h training session participants learned skills to prevent, recognise, and respond to opioid overdoses, including: calling for emergency services, performing rescue breathing, and administering an intramuscular injection of naloxone (an opioid antagonist).


Education was the only factor I see tested.  That study shows education on the effects and treatment of opioid overdoses is effective.  Which I would he happy to see and fund with my tax dollars.
 
2014-02-12 02:36:08 PM  

someonelse: MyRandomName: Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.

This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.

It's not like people are making random guesses. It's based on what his administration actually said, and the fact that he vetoed a similar bill last year for similar reasons.


Paid GOP Shills gona Shill bro.
 
2014-02-12 02:37:04 PM  
Maybe if they changed the name to Narcant.
 
2014-02-12 02:38:04 PM  
I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.
 
2014-02-12 02:38:25 PM  

FlashHarry: Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.

aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.


That's all very nice but it's not the same thing we are talking about and you know it. Bullshiat like this doesn't help the situation no matter how intelligent and superior it may make you feel.
 
2014-02-12 02:41:29 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.


Why aren't they just drinking then?
 
2014-02-12 02:44:01 PM  

Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd


That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.
 
2014-02-12 02:44:40 PM  

mike_d85: lennavan: That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564

METHODS:
During a 1-h training session participants learned skills to prevent, recognise, and respond to opioid overdoses, including: calling for emergency services, performing rescue breathing, and administering an intramuscular injection of naloxone (an opioid antagonist).

Education was the only factor I see tested.  That study shows education on the effects and treatment of opioid overdoses is effective.  Which I would he happy to see and fund with my tax dollars.


RESULTS:
Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),
 
2014-02-12 02:45:11 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.


Cocain use would go down if employers stopped using random urine tests.
 
2014-02-12 02:53:02 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!

This.

"Vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease? That'll just encourage 'em to have sex!"

"Medication to help with overdoses? That'll just encourage people to be more reckless with drugs!"


Let's carry that through to other things:

"Seat belts? That'll just encourage people to drive more recklessly!"

"Umbrella? That'll just encourage people to stay outside when it's raining!"

....


Safeties on handguns encourage pointing them at people, too.
 
2014-02-12 02:54:26 PM  
lennavan:
RESULTS:
Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),


OK, we're just plain not arguing the same point.

My point which is supported by the study: When you teach people how drugs affect their bodies and what to do to in the event of an overdose it reduces drug use.  Administering naloxone didn't do shiat to reduce drug usage.

Saving the life of a drug user has nothing to do with getting them to stop using drugs (I am operating under the impression that you think it does).  I don't care about saving their lives.  Death is a consequence of heroine use.  As expressed earlier, I am fine with this.
 
2014-02-12 02:54:34 PM  

mike_d85: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.

Why aren't they just drinking then?


Try heroin and then ask that question.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:43 PM  
Aaaand this is the sort of person who makes people want to believe in supernatural punishment.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:51 PM  

vudukungfu: Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.

FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

This and that.
I'm the first one in line to replace clinics with cots and handcuffs, but narcan saves lives.


Then I hope your whole family ends up in prison on drug charges.
 
2014-02-12 03:04:38 PM  

CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.


Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.
 
2014-02-12 03:06:10 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.


your insurance will probably cover all those expensive anti-retrovirals. You are actually losing money by not getting some HIV.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:49 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.


It's the same faulty reasoning behind most of their policies: that fear is the only possible motivator.  That's why whenever a situation comes up where they want people to choose Option 1 over Option 2, their strategy is ALWAYS to put effort into making Option 2 worse rather than Option 1 better.

/the problem, of course, being that what was Option 1 in one decision is Option 2 in another, so the net result is that everything is made worse
 
2014-02-12 03:24:26 PM  
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2014-02-12 03:32:26 PM  
Prescription drug abuse now more deadly than heroin, cocaine combined

About 6.1 million people abuse prescription pills, and overdose deaths have at least doubled in 29 states, where they now exceed vehicle-related deaths.

No big deal.
 
2014-02-12 03:38:32 PM  

TonnageVT: Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

[i.imgur.com image 492x480]


d12xzpun4kqsb2.cloudfront.net
 
2014-02-12 03:39:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin. What a complete shiat stain of a human being. People suck, but not usually this hard


And his little dog Toto too.
 
2014-02-12 03:44:40 PM  

Carn: CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.

Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.


As you may already know, it is suspected that the heroin that Phillip Seymour Hoffman ODed on had Fentanyl as a cutting agent.  They use that a lot so they can step on the heroin more and it will still have the same or better kick to it.
 
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