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2014-02-12 01:21:58 PM  

TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.


Julie?
 
2014-02-12 01:22:14 PM  
Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?
 
2014-02-12 01:23:02 PM  

great_tigers: News tomorrow:
"ones of heroin users leave Maine due to lack of life saving medicine for OD's"


It would be a lot more than ones. Lewiston/Auburn would be a pair of ghost towns.
 
2014-02-12 01:24:18 PM  
Governor William J. Le Petomane: What the hell is this?

Hedley Lamarr: This is the bill that will convert the state hospital for heroin addicts into the William J. Le Petomane memorial drug shopping center for heroin addicts.

Governor William J. Le Petomane: [Standing up proudly] Gentlemen, this bill will be a giant step forward in the treatment of the insane heroin addict.

affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2014-02-12 01:24:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.
 
2014-02-12 01:24:47 PM  
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Yeah, the guy's an asshole, but I just think he's narrow minded. Like this guy who just sees it as a problem that solves itself.
 
2014-02-12 01:25:51 PM  
Heroin users typically vote Democratic. He's just being pragmatic.
 
2014-02-12 01:26:05 PM  
Wait, there's a drug I can take to ease the severe withdrawl symptoms if I survive ODing on heroin?  Farking SWEET, that was the only thing holding me back.
 
2014-02-12 01:27:58 PM  
It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!
 
2014-02-12 01:29:02 PM  

Gene Masseth: CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.

This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.



Better a thousand innocent people be punished than one guilty man go free!
 
2014-02-12 01:29:06 PM  
Oh, this guy. The one who took a crowbar to a mural of Maine workers hanging in Maine's Department of Labor building. Here's the socialist horror in question, if you're wondering. (CONSERVATIVE TRIGGER WARNING: blah people, strikers, and women with jobs.)

madamepickwickartblog.com

Basically, this guy is Chris Christie without the charm, subtlety, or emotional stability. He'll get his.
 
2014-02-12 01:29:15 PM  

DrBenway: But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


Same way we got saddled with Teatarded governors in other supposedly sane states: morons sat out the 2010 elections.
 
2014-02-12 01:29:29 PM  
You know what, eff it.  I'm gonna side with the governor.  Kinda trolling, kinda not.

1 - I'll warrant that first responders and hospitals need easy access, but giving it directly to users irresponsible and reckless.  Reject that shiat.

2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward.  Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk.  While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

3 - As someone who has had friends die of drug overdoses I can heartlessly and callously say that I'm glad they didn't have children.  I've seen plenty of kids raised by parents with substance abuse problems that ruined THEIR lives causing them to get strung out.  There is a generational impact that I approve of.  I'll take the risk of foster parenting over raised in a crack house any day.
 
2014-02-12 01:30:49 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?


in political terms it's called 'pandering to the base'.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:03 PM  

lennavan: Wait, there's a drug I can take to ease the severe withdrawl symptoms if I survive ODing on heroin?  Farking SWEET, that was the only thing holding me back.


I believe you are thinking of Naltrexone which is used as a opioid receptor antagonist to reduce withdraw symptoms.  The Narcan is Naloxone which is an opioid antagonist which is used for emergency overdose treatment.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:32 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!


Even Fetal Alcohol Walker didn't get in the way of Narcan. This guy has passed the Schwarzschild radius of jerk behavior.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:54 PM  
Unless I misunderstood the article he hasn't done anything yet or released a statement in favor or against the bill that hasn't reached his desk. I mean, the article implied it would reflect a different position he had on a different bill. I guess that's good enough to hope he dies for Fark.
 
2014-02-12 01:32:02 PM  
People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious
 
2014-02-12 01:33:35 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?


Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.
 
2014-02-12 01:35:07 PM  

asmodeus224: People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious


Yeah, I'm going to give myself diabetes because insulin exists.
 
2014-02-12 01:36:34 PM  
I like how they mention the progress in Masaschusetts.  Just yesterday I was reading about a kid who was released from the hospital quickly.  Then I read this line from TFA

Somebody who is opioid-dependent who receives naloxone is going to go from overdose and not breathing to opioid withdrawal in a very short amount of time, and that's not a pleasant feeling

And now it makes sense why he went straight from a hospital to become the hood ornament of a commuter rail train.
/His mother is pushing more legislation to make an OD patient's hospital stay a mandatory 24 hours.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:21 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.

While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.


It's easy. This guy is, effectively, wishing death on many people's loved ones. It's a normal human emotion to want to inflict the sort of pain on him that he's so cavalier about handing out to others. It's not right, but it damn sure is understandable.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:23 PM  

Gene Masseth: CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.

This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.


The only way that Narcan will encourage further drug use is the fact that the OD victim has the opportunity to breathe again thus giving them the possibility of a decision to use again.  I doubt that it is emboldening the user to OD.  This governor needs to visit a mental health provider IMO.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:51 PM  
WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?
 
2014-02-12 01:38:23 PM  
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Posted because of reasons.
 
2014-02-12 01:39:59 PM  

mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.


Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:07 PM  
The more heroin addicts that OD the fewer heroin addicts you have to OD.

Sounds like self solving problem.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:39 PM  
isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).
 
2014-02-12 01:41:17 PM  

Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?


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2014-02-12 01:41:23 PM  

Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


That's why this asshole needs to be the first to OD.  Then his family can OD in grief because his evil ways prevented the very thing that could have saved his life.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:50 PM  

TopoGigo: thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?

Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.


I was just telling this story last night.

I didn't know about anything that happened afterwards, though, once Teddy and whomever skipped town. That's crazy.
 
2014-02-12 01:43:34 PM  

lennavan: mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.


What is this overdose withdrawal that you are speaking of.  You realize that they are totally separate issues right?
 
2014-02-12 01:46:09 PM  
In the governor's defense, I have been a much safer driver since I disabled my airbags.
 
2014-02-12 01:47:22 PM  
Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

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2014-02-12 01:47:35 PM  

madgordy: isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).


all of those things cost money... how could we possibly pay for all of those things?  raise taxes on capital gains?  That would just be silly... the multi-generational wealthy wouldn't be able to afford dancing horses and garages with elevators like they deserve.  Why do you hate america?  Next I suppose you're going to say corporations should have fewer loopholes and pay more taxes...
 
2014-02-12 01:47:50 PM  
This is a natural and expected result of the domino effect that started with enacting the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.
 
2014-02-12 01:48:03 PM  

lennavan: mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.


Just to play devil's advocate.  Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."

1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.

/Occasionally a LOT more than you expect, but not regularly.
//Med students love pills.
 
2014-02-12 01:50:15 PM  
Christ what an asshole.
 
2014-02-12 01:51:42 PM  
The party of stupid strikes again with this eugenics-loving motherfarker.
 
2014-02-12 01:51:50 PM  

mike_d85: Just to play devil's advocate. Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."

1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone. You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.


That's funny, the 1 piece of information I gathered from that is HOLY FARKING SHIAT HIS BROTHER ALMOST DIED FROM A HEROIN OVERDOSE.

mike_d85: Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects. These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"
 
2014-02-12 01:52:12 PM  

udhq: Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?

Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Really? I could have sworn the first three words I typed were "This is wrong." Can you explain how that is supporting him?
 
2014-02-12 01:52:32 PM  

mike_d85: Just to play devil's advocate. Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."


You could use the same argument against seat belts. In fact, I think some libertarians do just that.
 
2014-02-12 01:52:48 PM  
Dont mess with Darwin.
 
2014-02-12 01:54:28 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.


If you want to live forever, just get an incurable disease and treat it.
 
2014-02-12 01:55:09 PM  

mike_d85: 1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


from the article:

Karla Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego's School of Medicine,   on Los Angeles' Skid Row that taught intravenous drug users how to administer naloxone. Her research concluded that knowing more about the overdose treatment did not encourage drug users to use more. Instead, it appeared to do the opposite. More than half of those who went through the program actually reported decreased drug use at a follow-up interview, Wagner's study found.
 
2014-02-12 01:56:23 PM  
There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.
 
2014-02-12 01:56:45 PM  
That's like banning fire fighters because they would encourage people to play with fire.
 
2014-02-12 01:58:40 PM  
I think some of you are funny rooting for him to OD. He does not inject heroin into his veins, how do you think he will OD? Here's a question: here in MA Narcan is distributed among towns/cities depending on what they want to do (in other words, some places have it and others do not). My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?
 
2014-02-12 01:59:57 PM  

Nabb1: udhq: Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?

Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.

Really? I could have sworn the first three words I typed were "This is wrong." Can you explain how that is supporting him?


Because reasons, obviously.
 
2014-02-12 02:00:16 PM  

Sofa King Smart: mike_d85: 1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.

from the article:

Karla Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego's School of Medicine,   on Los Angeles' Skid Row that taught intravenous drug users how to administer naloxone. Her research concluded that knowing more about the overdose treatment did not encourage drug users to use more. Instead, it appeared to do the opposite. More than half of those who went through the program actually reported decreased drug use at a follow-up interview, Wagner's study found.


Yeah, that's what I said.
 
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