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2014-02-12 11:09:56 AM  
i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.
 
2014-02-12 11:11:24 AM  

FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.
 
2014-02-12 11:13:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.


FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


This and that.
I'm the first one in line to replace clinics with cots and handcuffs, but narcan saves lives.
Fark the entire LePage froggy family.
May he get broken into by a ravenous junkie who eats his eyes out and leaves him alive with AIDS and Hep C.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:35 AM  
They really are the party of dickholes.
 
2014-02-12 11:29:22 AM  
This cannot possibly be for real.

Is this motherf*cker serious?
 
2014-02-12 11:29:33 AM  
Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!
 
2014-02-12 11:35:55 AM  
"His main objection is his belief -- and I have to emphasize 'his belief' because there is no evidence that supports this at all -- his belief that increasing the availability of Narcan or naloxone will lead the drug user or drug abuser to have this feeling of invincibility," Gideon said.

LePage spokesman Peter Steele told HuffPost that the governor's office does not comment on bills before they reach his desk. But opposition to naloxone access would be in line with his veto last year of a similar bill meant to provide legal immunity for health professionals administering naloxone to those suffering from an overdose. LePage also vetoed a bill last year to create "Good Samaritan" protections from prosecution for drug possession for people who call 911 when they suspect a companion has overdosed.


Wow....this guy really is a grade-A asshole.
 
2014-02-12 11:47:08 AM  
What do your stupid facts matter when I have BELIEFS? And I believe the fastest way to solve our state's heroin problem is to encourage junkies to die as quickly as possible without interference from the state. Buncha do-gooder buttinskis need to mind their own beeswax.

But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.
 
2014-02-12 11:50:10 AM  

FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.


Oh, but you can absolutely bet that if his granddaughter did OD on heroin, there would be a syringe full of Narcan standing by for her.
 
2014-02-12 12:00:34 PM  
I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.
 
2014-02-12 12:07:50 PM  

Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.
 
2014-02-12 12:11:05 PM  

propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.


First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.
 
2014-02-12 12:16:38 PM  

Nabb1: propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.

First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.


Unless, of course, one is a Republican governor, apparently. You seem to reserve your outrage for random internet posters while hand-waving away a Republican elected official wishing death on his constituents.
 
2014-02-12 12:23:04 PM  

Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


agreed. my first reaction was purely visceral.
 
2014-02-12 12:23:24 PM  

propasaurus: Nabb1: propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.

First, I think anyone using heroin has a death wish of their own on some level, and second, I still think that's a bit much. Wishing death upon people is bad ju-ju.

Unless, of course, one is a Republican governor, apparently. You seem to reserve your outrage for random internet posters while hand-waving away a Republican elected official wishing death on his constituents.


Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?
 
2014-02-12 01:00:36 PM  
Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?
 
2014-02-12 01:05:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


I'm going to skip his family, and just hope he dies. He can OD if he wants, but really just die.
 
2014-02-12 01:07:37 PM  
Great choices here. Rooting for the pharmaceutical industry or the security industry.
 
2014-02-12 01:08:00 PM  
Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.
 
2014-02-12 01:09:11 PM  
"LePage's fellow Republican, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, once opposed both increased naloxone access and Good Samaritan protections. "

Christie is showing his RINO nature more and more every day.
Please run for president, I want to see the Republicans throw you under the bus.
 
2014-02-12 01:10:52 PM  
Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.
 
2014-02-12 01:11:12 PM  
Really, if you OD on heroin is there anything to live for anyways?
 
2014-02-12 01:11:24 PM  
www.sipree.com
 
2014-02-12 01:11:47 PM  
Why not? People will surely stop overdosing if they know the drug isn't available, right?
 
2014-02-12 01:11:50 PM  
"I'm opposing this bill because people shouldn't do bad things."

"Uh, Governor, people will still do bad things, this just helps mitigate the damage."

"PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!  PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!  PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO BAD THINGS!!!"
 
2014-02-12 01:13:54 PM  
Subby channels Mr Torgue.
 
2014-02-12 01:13:54 PM  
So until he gets his cut , he doesn't care.
 
2014-02-12 01:14:25 PM  
News tomorrow:
"ones of heroin users leave Maine due to lack of life saving medicine for OD's"
 
2014-02-12 01:14:45 PM  
My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.
 
2014-02-12 01:14:46 PM  
Is the availability of turtlenecks encouraging him to have all those chins?
 
2014-02-12 01:14:50 PM  

CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.


This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.
 
2014-02-12 01:15:28 PM  
Okay, I won't wish death on his family, but I do hope this goobenor is beaten to within an inch of his life and spends the rest of it in a world composed of nothing but pain.

That seems fair.
 
2014-02-12 01:15:45 PM  
Republicans: Can't live with 'em, can't get 'em involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility.
 
2014-02-12 01:15:47 PM  
And while we're at it, let's remove seat belts and airbags from cars. They just encourage unsafe driving habits.
 
2014-02-12 01:16:12 PM  
Mainer here... LePage won the election after an Independent candidate split the Democratic vote, we have been making Fark regularly since then... and more good news farkers, with the election coming up... it is all set to happen again.

/Hate the bastard.
 
2014-02-12 01:16:19 PM  
 Remember this next tome someone on the right tells you that drug laws are to protect people. They could give a shiat less about people, it's all about ideology and their "culture war". Which is also why they support locking non violent drug offenders away with violent criminals and marking their record for life while claiming "it's for their own good" nothing less than hate and malice in their heart on this one I'm afraid.
 
2014-02-12 01:16:23 PM  

Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


This.  Holy hell, kids.
 
2014-02-12 01:17:35 PM  
The people of Maine voted and got the governor they deserve.
 
2014-02-12 01:17:45 PM  
I hope he ODs on a bowl of dicks.
 
2014-02-12 01:17:55 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?




Yes
 
2014-02-12 01:18:17 PM  
Couldn't this drug also help people who overdose on certain prescription painkillers?
 
2014-02-12 01:18:28 PM  

DrBenway: What do your stupid facts matter when I have BELIEFS? And I believe the fastest way to solve our state's heroin problem is to encourage junkies to die as quickly as possible without interference from the state. Buncha do-gooder buttinskis need to mind their own beeswax.

But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


according to friends who live there, because old people...
 
2014-02-12 01:18:38 PM  
BTW, this is an EXACT parallel of the government "denaturing" industrial ethanol in the 1920s to ensure that people who drank it would get sick and/or die. An estimated 10,000 people died from poisoning in pursuit of Prohibition. Let's hope Maine's death toll is lower.
 
2014-02-12 01:18:41 PM  
Isn't this like opposing HPV vaccine because it will turn young girls into raging cock gobblers?
 
2014-02-12 01:19:19 PM  

Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?


Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.
 
2014-02-12 01:19:22 PM  

justanothersumguy: Mainer here... LePage won the election after an Independent candidate split the Democratic vote, we have been making Fark regularly since then... and more good news farkers, with the election coming up... it is all set to happen again.

/Hate the bastard.


So, basically it's Ralph Nader's fault again? Makes sense.
 
2014-02-12 01:19:38 PM  

propasaurus: Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.

If you live in Maine and either use heroin yourself or know someone who does, The Governor is actively wishing for their death.


If I had to live in Maine, I would use heroin.
 
2014-02-12 01:19:39 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: I hope he ODs on a bowl of dicks.


Taken rectally.
 
2014-02-12 01:20:49 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?


Maybe it was part of the party pledge.
 
2014-02-12 01:21:50 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!


This.

"Vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease? That'll just encourage 'em to have sex!"

"Medication to help with overdoses? That'll just encourage people to be more reckless with drugs!"


Let's carry that through to other things:

"Seat belts? That'll just encourage people to drive more recklessly!"

"Umbrella? That'll just encourage people to stay outside when it's raining!"

....
 
2014-02-12 01:21:58 PM  

TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.


Julie?
 
2014-02-12 01:22:14 PM  
Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?
 
2014-02-12 01:23:02 PM  

great_tigers: News tomorrow:
"ones of heroin users leave Maine due to lack of life saving medicine for OD's"


It would be a lot more than ones. Lewiston/Auburn would be a pair of ghost towns.
 
2014-02-12 01:24:18 PM  
Governor William J. Le Petomane: What the hell is this?

Hedley Lamarr: This is the bill that will convert the state hospital for heroin addicts into the William J. Le Petomane memorial drug shopping center for heroin addicts.

Governor William J. Le Petomane: [Standing up proudly] Gentlemen, this bill will be a giant step forward in the treatment of the insane heroin addict.

affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2014-02-12 01:24:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.
 
2014-02-12 01:24:47 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Yeah, the guy's an asshole, but I just think he's narrow minded. Like this guy who just sees it as a problem that solves itself.
 
2014-02-12 01:25:51 PM  
Heroin users typically vote Democratic. He's just being pragmatic.
 
2014-02-12 01:26:05 PM  
Wait, there's a drug I can take to ease the severe withdrawl symptoms if I survive ODing on heroin?  Farking SWEET, that was the only thing holding me back.
 
2014-02-12 01:27:58 PM  
It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!
 
2014-02-12 01:29:02 PM  

Gene Masseth: CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.

This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.



Better a thousand innocent people be punished than one guilty man go free!
 
2014-02-12 01:29:06 PM  
Oh, this guy. The one who took a crowbar to a mural of Maine workers hanging in Maine's Department of Labor building. Here's the socialist horror in question, if you're wondering. (CONSERVATIVE TRIGGER WARNING: blah people, strikers, and women with jobs.)

madamepickwickartblog.com

Basically, this guy is Chris Christie without the charm, subtlety, or emotional stability. He'll get his.
 
2014-02-12 01:29:15 PM  

DrBenway: But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


Same way we got saddled with Teatarded governors in other supposedly sane states: morons sat out the 2010 elections.
 
2014-02-12 01:29:29 PM  
You know what, eff it.  I'm gonna side with the governor.  Kinda trolling, kinda not.

1 - I'll warrant that first responders and hospitals need easy access, but giving it directly to users irresponsible and reckless.  Reject that shiat.

2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward.  Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk.  While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

3 - As someone who has had friends die of drug overdoses I can heartlessly and callously say that I'm glad they didn't have children.  I've seen plenty of kids raised by parents with substance abuse problems that ruined THEIR lives causing them to get strung out.  There is a generational impact that I approve of.  I'll take the risk of foster parenting over raised in a crack house any day.
 
2014-02-12 01:30:49 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Is there some running contest among Republicans to see who can be the most vile twat?


in political terms it's called 'pandering to the base'.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:03 PM  

lennavan: Wait, there's a drug I can take to ease the severe withdrawl symptoms if I survive ODing on heroin?  Farking SWEET, that was the only thing holding me back.


I believe you are thinking of Naltrexone which is used as a opioid receptor antagonist to reduce withdraw symptoms.  The Narcan is Naloxone which is an opioid antagonist which is used for emergency overdose treatment.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:32 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!


Even Fetal Alcohol Walker didn't get in the way of Narcan. This guy has passed the Schwarzschild radius of jerk behavior.
 
2014-02-12 01:31:54 PM  
Unless I misunderstood the article he hasn't done anything yet or released a statement in favor or against the bill that hasn't reached his desk. I mean, the article implied it would reflect a different position he had on a different bill. I guess that's good enough to hope he dies for Fark.
 
2014-02-12 01:32:02 PM  
People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious
 
2014-02-12 01:33:35 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?


Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.
 
2014-02-12 01:35:07 PM  

asmodeus224: People, this is why we do not cover any illness that arises from obesity, smoking or reckless activities.  Really, what world do you live in?  If I know I can put my life at risk and be treated for the consequences (if i live through it in the first place) then I am totally going to do that activity...that is just how it works.

/no not serious


Yeah, I'm going to give myself diabetes because insulin exists.
 
2014-02-12 01:36:34 PM  
I like how they mention the progress in Masaschusetts.  Just yesterday I was reading about a kid who was released from the hospital quickly.  Then I read this line from TFA

Somebody who is opioid-dependent who receives naloxone is going to go from overdose and not breathing to opioid withdrawal in a very short amount of time, and that's not a pleasant feeling

And now it makes sense why he went straight from a hospital to become the hood ornament of a commuter rail train.
/His mother is pushing more legislation to make an OD patient's hospital stay a mandatory 24 hours.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:21 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.

While this guy is an idiot, I hope no one's daughter or family OD's on heroin.

Why would either of you wish such a demise on someone?  I know it's a stupid message board on a dopey  "ha ha kill time at work" web site, but it really is crappy way to die.  It's even crappier when you have to be the one who tells the family.  I'm sure their are plenty of decent people who love this guy's family beside him.


It's easy. This guy is, effectively, wishing death on many people's loved ones. It's a normal human emotion to want to inflict the sort of pain on him that he's so cavalier about handing out to others. It's not right, but it damn sure is understandable.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:23 PM  

Gene Masseth: CJHardin: Yes, Narcan is very effective on reversing a heroin overdose, but that isn't where it really flexes it's muscles.  More people die from prescription drug overdoses than heroin.  Your kid accidentally gets a hold of your bottle of Oxycontin or Hydrocodone and chomps it down like Flintstones vitamins.  Your wife becomes addicted to Morphine and is able to shop enough Doc-in-a-Boxes to finally get enough to overcome her tolerance and get that buzz she used to get but goes a few pills too far and her respiratory system starts to shut down.  First responders NEED this drug, it saves lives, and not all of them are the junkie in the alley heating a spoon.

This.

Governor Jackass is willing to let a child that accidentally ODs on his parent's pills to die, just because he believes that having a prevention readily available might encourage someone else to do more drugs recreationally.


The only way that Narcan will encourage further drug use is the fact that the OD victim has the opportunity to breathe again thus giving them the possibility of a decision to use again.  I doubt that it is emboldening the user to OD.  This governor needs to visit a mental health provider IMO.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:51 PM  
WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?
 
2014-02-12 01:38:23 PM  
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Posted because of reasons.
 
2014-02-12 01:39:59 PM  

mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.


Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:07 PM  
The more heroin addicts that OD the fewer heroin addicts you have to OD.

Sounds like self solving problem.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:39 PM  
isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).
 
2014-02-12 01:41:17 PM  

Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-12 01:41:23 PM  

Nabb1: I think this is wrong, but I'm going to stop short of wishing death and OD on people, especially ones not directly responsible for this move.


That's why this asshole needs to be the first to OD.  Then his family can OD in grief because his evil ways prevented the very thing that could have saved his life.
 
2014-02-12 01:42:50 PM  

TopoGigo: thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?

Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.


I was just telling this story last night.

I didn't know about anything that happened afterwards, though, once Teddy and whomever skipped town. That's crazy.
 
2014-02-12 01:43:34 PM  

lennavan: mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.


What is this overdose withdrawal that you are speaking of.  You realize that they are totally separate issues right?
 
2014-02-12 01:46:09 PM  
In the governor's defense, I have been a much safer driver since I disabled my airbags.
 
2014-02-12 01:47:22 PM  
Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-12 01:47:35 PM  

madgordy: isn't this the big TEA BAG / Conservative meme?  if people have a safety net they are more likely to behaive in ways the teabagconservative people do not like or think is icky.  no condoms because sex without consequences is icky.   No abortion because raped women should not have been slutty.  No Social Security Insurance because Seniors should have saved for their own retirement and if they lose it, tough.  No WIC because poor women shouldn't have sex.  No public education, because Poor women shouldn't have sex.  No rehabilitiation because people who comit crimes should stay in jail forever.  no workers comp, medical insurance or unemployment insurance because it might enable people to advance in society if they can demand higher wages and better working conditions.  No unions because the same.  No gays in the military because they are afraid they might get turned on by men in showers or airport bathrooms.  No clean safe air, water, food, drugs, because you should move somewhere else and be rich.  No gun controls so kids can get guns and shoot themselves (and brown people).


all of those things cost money... how could we possibly pay for all of those things?  raise taxes on capital gains?  That would just be silly... the multi-generational wealthy wouldn't be able to afford dancing horses and garages with elevators like they deserve.  Why do you hate america?  Next I suppose you're going to say corporations should have fewer loopholes and pay more taxes...
 
2014-02-12 01:47:50 PM  
This is a natural and expected result of the domino effect that started with enacting the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.
 
2014-02-12 01:48:03 PM  

lennavan: mike_d85: 2 - People are supposed to judge risk/reward. Remove or mitigate an element of risk, that's one step closer to reward with no risk. While I'll concede that this is not the way the mind of an addict works, it is the way a first time user's might.

Sure.  For that to be true, a few things also must be true:

1) A significant number of people have to be aware naloxone exists.
2) Those people have to be aware of what naloxone does.
3) Among those people, there have to be some that are willing to risk death, jail, addiction or significant bodily harm but the possibility of OD withdrawl changes their decision and if you merely take away the OD withdrawl bit, they will try it.


Just to play devil's advocate.  Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."

1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.

/Occasionally a LOT more than you expect, but not regularly.
//Med students love pills.
 
2014-02-12 01:50:15 PM  
Christ what an asshole.
 
2014-02-12 01:51:42 PM  
The party of stupid strikes again with this eugenics-loving motherfarker.
 
2014-02-12 01:51:50 PM  

mike_d85: Just to play devil's advocate. Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."

1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone. You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.


That's funny, the 1 piece of information I gathered from that is HOLY FARKING SHIAT HIS BROTHER ALMOST DIED FROM A HEROIN OVERDOSE.

mike_d85: Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects. These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"
 
2014-02-12 01:52:12 PM  

udhq: Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?

Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Really? I could have sworn the first three words I typed were "This is wrong." Can you explain how that is supporting him?
 
2014-02-12 01:52:32 PM  

mike_d85: Just to play devil's advocate. Imagine the following conversation between oh... 10th graders:
"My brother almost died of an OD last week."
"What happened?"
"He took a lot, but luckily his girlfriend gave him some shot that kept him alive."


You could use the same argument against seat belts. In fact, I think some libertarians do just that.
 
2014-02-12 01:52:48 PM  
Dont mess with Darwin.
 
2014-02-12 01:54:28 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.


If you want to live forever, just get an incurable disease and treat it.
 
2014-02-12 01:55:09 PM  

mike_d85: 1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.


from the article:

Karla Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego's School of Medicine,   on Los Angeles' Skid Row that taught intravenous drug users how to administer naloxone. Her research concluded that knowing more about the overdose treatment did not encourage drug users to use more. Instead, it appeared to do the opposite. More than half of those who went through the program actually reported decreased drug use at a follow-up interview, Wagner's study found.
 
2014-02-12 01:56:23 PM  
There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.
 
2014-02-12 01:56:45 PM  
That's like banning fire fighters because they would encourage people to play with fire.
 
2014-02-12 01:58:40 PM  
I think some of you are funny rooting for him to OD. He does not inject heroin into his veins, how do you think he will OD? Here's a question: here in MA Narcan is distributed among towns/cities depending on what they want to do (in other words, some places have it and others do not). My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?
 
2014-02-12 01:59:57 PM  

Nabb1: udhq: Nabb1: Oh, is that what I do? Okay. I didn't mean to upset you with my not-wishing-death-on-people-and-not-being-sufficiently-outraged-to-you r liking. Would you be so kind as to direct me as to how I can express a level of outrage that is appropriate, and how that will effectuate a change in this policy, since apparently it is essential that I do so?

Yes, you're clearly better than everyone else.  You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.

Really? I could have sworn the first three words I typed were "This is wrong." Can you explain how that is supporting him?


Because reasons, obviously.
 
2014-02-12 02:00:16 PM  

Sofa King Smart: mike_d85: 1 piece of information was transferred and 1 piece alone.  You can stop a heroine overdose with an injection.  There are people who do and will think that some medications are magical cures that work perfectly and instantly.  Others will realize that coming back from the brink of death probably involves painful dangerous side effects.  These people are not likely to do heroine regularly.

from the article:

Karla Wagner, an assistant professor at the University of California San Diego's School of Medicine,   on Los Angeles' Skid Row that taught intravenous drug users how to administer naloxone. Her research concluded that knowing more about the overdose treatment did not encourage drug users to use more. Instead, it appeared to do the opposite. More than half of those who went through the program actually reported decreased drug use at a follow-up interview, Wagner's study found.


Yeah, that's what I said.
 
2014-02-12 02:00:32 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: thismomentinblackhistory: TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.

Julie?

Jesus Christ, is that Mikey? I've looked at your profile multiple times, as I've met the band and keep forgetting that I've checked previously to see if you were in it. This is the first time I've seen pictures in it, though.

And, yes. That would be Julie. It may, or may not, comfort you to know that one of the boys is dead of OD, and the other one is in prison after faking suicide, fleeing to California, returning in shame, being convicted of vehicular manslaughter, getting out of prison, and getting convicted again for vehicular manslaughter--this time of an elderly couple. He's probably in for life, now.

I was just telling this story last night.

I didn't know about anything that happened afterwards, though, once Teddy and whomever skipped town. That's crazy.


Hm. I guess I got a couple details wrong, but here:

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-28159-man-who-fled-car-crash- wa nts-appeals-court-to-nix-his-restitution-requirement.html
 
2014-02-12 02:01:05 PM  
And my longtime conservative friends and relatives wonder why I hate conservatives, just hate them, for what they've let themselves become and want them to never, ever get anything they want.

They've gone far beyond just speaking up for their own worldview and have become a bunch of ugly, resentful people who can't seem to inflict enough cruelty on those they look down on.
 
2014-02-12 02:02:29 PM  
any chance mainers will throw this teabagger asshole out in november?
 
2014-02-12 02:02:40 PM  
I'd dig up a link to her boyfriend's OD, but this is a public forum, and that's a little to crass even for me. If you want badly enough, EIP and I'll give you his name if you've forgotten it.
 
2014-02-12 02:03:57 PM  
FTA: "bill increasing access ...."

this means "provide for free" ?
 
2014-02-12 02:04:10 PM  
Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.
 
2014-02-12 02:05:19 PM  

lennavan: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "brink of death" bit is a decent enough deterrent, to go along with prison time and addiction.  I don't think we need to actually let kids die so we can then say "hah, see people die from this!"


That ignores my point that some people think treatment is magically perfect.

Here we go with "kids" again (In general, not specifically in this exchange).  I
How many children users or accidental overdoses (hot ahold of grannie's pills or some such) who would have this treatment in their home?

Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders.  Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.
 
2014-02-12 02:06:47 PM  
Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.
 
2014-02-12 02:06:55 PM  
I propose that we ban Epinephrine because that only encourages people to eat foods that they are allergic to.  I mean, without the consequences of death, people with peanut allergies are going to be chowing down PB&Js like there is no tomorrow!
 
2014-02-12 02:06:56 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.


Dude, it's a five-year trend sharply reversed in one year. Don't act like it's textbook cherry picking.
 
2014-02-12 02:08:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "His main objection is his belief -- and I have to emphasize 'his belief' because there is no evidence that supports this at all -- his belief that increasing the availability of Narcan or naloxone will lead the drug user or drug abuser to have this feeling of invincibility," Gideon said.

LePage spokesman Peter Steele told HuffPost that the governor's office does not comment on bills before they reach his desk. But opposition to naloxone access would be in line with his veto last year of a similar bill meant to provide legal immunity for health professionals administering naloxone to those suffering from an overdose. LePage also vetoed a bill last year to create "Good Samaritan" protections from prosecution for drug possession for people who call 911 when they suspect a companion has overdosed.

Wow....this guy really is a grade-A asshole.


Why is HuffPo including a strawman argument of the governor's views? Is there any proof those are his views? Or is this a straight assumption the reader is supposed to take as fact? shiatty journalism. Is Gideon a mind reader?
 
2014-02-12 02:10:16 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?


If I was a heroin addict, I'd probably want to live in a city with lots of heroin. That would probably be the only criterion.
 
2014-02-12 02:10:36 PM  
Admittedly, I can't see living in Maine without heroin.

/regardless of who's governor
//except maybe in jun
 
2014-02-12 02:10:56 PM  

udhq: You're merely defending the guy wishing death upon others, and using the power of his office to achieve it.


Refusing to hop on your dogpile isn't defending the other side.
 
2014-02-12 02:11:11 PM  

unchellmatt: Ah, Tea Party favorites.... Who needs reality, studies or data proving you completely wrong as long as it "feels right"?


Yes. The tea party opposition to keystone is well documented despite 4 studies . Same with GMO foods like Salmon. And dont forget their denial of scientific studies on fracking .
 
2014-02-12 02:11:29 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?


You might like this:

www.landoverbaptist.org

Jesus for Unreal Tournament.

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-12 02:14:42 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: My city provides Narcan. If you were a heroin addict, would you rather live in a town/city that you know has Narcan, or one that does not have Narcan?

If I was a heroin addict, I'd probably want to live in a city with lots of heroin. That would probably be the only criterion.


Reminds me if the famous appearance of a 1930's bank robber who was interviewed by Johnny Carson in the 1970's.

Carson: "So, why did you rob banks?"

Robber: "That's where they keep the money."
 
2014-02-12 02:14:56 PM  

Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.


aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.
 
2014-02-12 02:16:07 PM  

Fizics: It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!


You told the world more about your sh*tty family and your sh*tty parenting than you realized.
 
2014-02-12 02:18:08 PM  

offmymeds: The Goddamn Batman: Sofa King Smart: WWJD?

real Jesus or Republican Jesus?

You might like this:

Jesus for Unreal Tournament.


GODLIKE!!
 
2014-02-12 02:18:17 PM  
I see my random potato has logged in for a good old fashioned shilling.
 
2014-02-12 02:19:30 PM  

Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.


This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.
 
2014-02-12 02:19:53 PM  

TopoGigo: That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.

Dude, it's a five-year trend sharply reversed in one year. Don't act like it's textbook cherry picking.


28 deaths is not a tragedy. It's hardly a statistic. In the time they've spent arguing about it many, many, many times as many people have died in car accidents. The faux "impending epidemic" combined with the strawman for the Governor's arguments combined with the entire issue being related to a recent celebrity death just smells to high hell of Grade A USDA BULLSH*T. Sorry, not going to take the bait on this manufactured outrage.

Yes, drug warriors are terrible people. 28 people dead a year isn't even on the list when it comes to "lives destroyed by the drug war".  I'm going to assume that the fact this is even coming up is because the Huffington Post supports a different political party than the governor, and I refuse to be part of that sleazy business.
 
2014-02-12 02:20:55 PM  
Yeah I can see the logic behind this....

Bill: Hey man lets try heroin!
Dave: That sounds like a perfect idea and a wonderful way to enjoy our Saturday night except for one thing, I just read that if we OD we won't have naloxone to save us!
Bill:Oh, that sucks, lets pray and fill out applications to join the military instead.
Both: USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-02-12 02:26:15 PM  

MyRandomName: Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.

This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.


It's not like people are making random guesses. It's based on what his administration actually said, and the fact that he vetoed a similar bill last year for similar reasons.
 
2014-02-12 02:27:03 PM  

mike_d85: That ignores my point that some people think treatment is magically perfect.


mike_d85: Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders. Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564
 
2014-02-12 02:28:42 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Fatal heroin overdoses in Maine quadrupled from 2011 to 2012

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I get it, drug-warriors are terrible people. But when your article pull stunts like "fatal overdoses quadruples" and has the Governor's "reasons for veto" described entirely by his opponent's speculation, I can't muster any support or sympathy with all the noise my bullsh*t detector is making.


What a coincidence that it corresponds with Governor Belief shutting down all services for drug users.

There is so much fark-headedness in this. Do we really want people in charge that will only change their opinions if Bon Jovi tells them they're wrong?

/not even close to halfway there
//governing by a prayer
 
2014-02-12 02:29:07 PM  
Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd
 
2014-02-12 02:35:51 PM  

lennavan: That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564

METHODS:
During a 1-h training session participants learned skills to prevent, recognise, and respond to opioid overdoses, including: calling for emergency services, performing rescue breathing, and administering an intramuscular injection of naloxone (an opioid antagonist).


Education was the only factor I see tested.  That study shows education on the effects and treatment of opioid overdoses is effective.  Which I would he happy to see and fund with my tax dollars.
 
2014-02-12 02:36:08 PM  

someonelse: MyRandomName: Heliovdrake: Govering from Emotion and feeling rather then Governing from Facts and knowledge.

This is the modern GOP.

This whole thread is an emotional response based on an emotional assumption to what the governor may do, not what he has said or done. Congrats on being what you hate.

It's not like people are making random guesses. It's based on what his administration actually said, and the fact that he vetoed a similar bill last year for similar reasons.


Paid GOP Shills gona Shill bro.
 
2014-02-12 02:37:04 PM  
Maybe if they changed the name to Narcant.
 
2014-02-12 02:38:04 PM  
I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.
 
2014-02-12 02:38:25 PM  

FlashHarry: Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.

aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.


That's all very nice but it's not the same thing we are talking about and you know it. Bullshiat like this doesn't help the situation no matter how intelligent and superior it may make you feel.
 
2014-02-12 02:41:29 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.


Why aren't they just drinking then?
 
2014-02-12 02:44:01 PM  

Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd


That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.
 
2014-02-12 02:44:40 PM  

mike_d85: lennavan: That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, one which you are not alone in having.  However the data rejected that hypothesis:

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268564

METHODS:
During a 1-h training session participants learned skills to prevent, recognise, and respond to opioid overdoses, including: calling for emergency services, performing rescue breathing, and administering an intramuscular injection of naloxone (an opioid antagonist).

Education was the only factor I see tested.  That study shows education on the effects and treatment of opioid overdoses is effective.  Which I would he happy to see and fund with my tax dollars.


RESULTS:
Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),
 
2014-02-12 02:45:11 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.


Cocain use would go down if employers stopped using random urine tests.
 
2014-02-12 02:53:02 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.

But facts be damned when you're standing on (reprehensible) principles!

This.

"Vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease? That'll just encourage 'em to have sex!"

"Medication to help with overdoses? That'll just encourage people to be more reckless with drugs!"


Let's carry that through to other things:

"Seat belts? That'll just encourage people to drive more recklessly!"

"Umbrella? That'll just encourage people to stay outside when it's raining!"

....


Safeties on handguns encourage pointing them at people, too.
 
2014-02-12 02:54:26 PM  
lennavan:
RESULTS:
Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),


OK, we're just plain not arguing the same point.

My point which is supported by the study: When you teach people how drugs affect their bodies and what to do to in the event of an overdose it reduces drug use.  Administering naloxone didn't do shiat to reduce drug usage.

Saving the life of a drug user has nothing to do with getting them to stop using drugs (I am operating under the impression that you think it does).  I don't care about saving their lives.  Death is a consequence of heroine use.  As expressed earlier, I am fine with this.
 
2014-02-12 02:54:34 PM  

mike_d85: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I had another thought on this: I think if marijuana was legal, heroin use would go down.

Why aren't they just drinking then?


Try heroin and then ask that question.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:43 PM  
Aaaand this is the sort of person who makes people want to believe in supernatural punishment.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:51 PM  

vudukungfu: Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.

FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

This and that.
I'm the first one in line to replace clinics with cots and handcuffs, but narcan saves lives.


Then I hope your whole family ends up in prison on drug charges.
 
2014-02-12 03:04:38 PM  

CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.


Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.
 
2014-02-12 03:06:10 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) appears set to oppose a bill increasing access to a lifesaving anti-overdose medication because of concerns rejected by public health experts that it could encourage more drug abuse

I'm going to try to get some HIV. With the quality of anti-retroviral therapies available these days, I see no reason not to.


your insurance will probably cover all those expensive anti-retrovirals. You are actually losing money by not getting some HIV.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:49 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds like the same faulty reasoning behind rejection of the HPV vaccine.


It's the same faulty reasoning behind most of their policies: that fear is the only possible motivator.  That's why whenever a situation comes up where they want people to choose Option 1 over Option 2, their strategy is ALWAYS to put effort into making Option 2 worse rather than Option 1 better.

/the problem, of course, being that what was Option 1 in one decision is Option 2 in another, so the net result is that everything is made worse
 
2014-02-12 03:24:26 PM  
cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2014-02-12 03:32:26 PM  
Prescription drug abuse now more deadly than heroin, cocaine combined

About 6.1 million people abuse prescription pills, and overdose deaths have at least doubled in 29 states, where they now exceed vehicle-related deaths.

No big deal.
 
2014-02-12 03:38:32 PM  

TonnageVT: Ahhh, he's using the same "contraception leads to more bastard children" routine...I believe Stephen Colbert squashed that nonsense...

[i.imgur.com image 492x480]


d12xzpun4kqsb2.cloudfront.net
 
2014-02-12 03:39:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I hope his whole family ODs on heroin. What a complete shiat stain of a human being. People suck, but not usually this hard


And his little dog Toto too.
 
2014-02-12 03:44:40 PM  

Carn: CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.

Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.


As you may already know, it is suspected that the heroin that Phillip Seymour Hoffman ODed on had Fentanyl as a cutting agent.  They use that a lot so they can step on the heroin more and it will still have the same or better kick to it.
 
2014-02-12 03:50:50 PM  

CJHardin: Carn: CJHardin: Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd

That Fentanyl is a beast.  I've seen a case where some teens got a hold of their dad's constant release transdermal patches and decided that they wouldn't get a good enough buzz using it as a patch so they cut them up and swallowed them.  In that case, a SINGLE patch is enough to kill someone.  Both died as a result, no Narcan was available to first responders and they were gone baby gone by the time the paramedics were able to reach them.

Thankfully the only one of these drugs I've ever needed a prescription for was vicodin when I had a root canal.  Oxycodone is the one I'm most afraid of on that list, but fentanyl definitely sounds potentially dangerous.

As you may already know, it is suspected that the heroin that Phillip Seymour Hoffman ODed on had Fentanyl as a cutting agent.  They use that a lot so they can step on the heroin more and it will still have the same or better kick to it.


shiat, no I hadn't heard about that.   http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/05/us-usa-hoffman-drugs-idUSBR E A1404S20140205
 
2014-02-12 04:04:23 PM  

mike_d85: OK, we're just plain not arguing the same point.


Right, because you moved your goalposts without even realizing it.  Your initial argument was based upon the belief that if you let drug users have access to naloxone, it will reduce the consequences of drug usage and as a result, drug use will actually go up.

mike_d85: Remember, I oppose putting this in the hands of regular users, NOT first responders. Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


That's what I'm arguing against.  So this study happened:

Twenty-one percent of participants were female, 42% were white, 29% African American, and 18% Latino. Most were homeless or lived in temporary accommodation (73%). We found significant increases in knowledge about overdose, in particular about the use of naloxone. Twenty-two participants responded to 35 overdoses during the follow-up period. Twenty-six overdose victims recovered, four died, and the outcome of five cases was unknown. Response techniques included: staying with the victim (85%), administering naloxone (80%),

Drug users were taught many things about drug overdose, including the use of naloxone.  Tested later, the authors found in particular a significant increase in knowledge about naloxone.  Seems that caught on with drug users.  These drug users then went on and 22 of them responded to ODs themselves.  In 80% of those cases, the drug users used naloxone.

By your hypothesis, those drug users would be more likely to use again.  As you phrased it, that would "enable them."

mike_d85: Giving it to "at risk users" is enabling an addict.


Remember?  So were those drug users more likely to use again?

CONCLUSION:
Overdose prevention and response training programmes may be associated with improved overdose response behaviour, with few adverse consequences and some unforeseen benefits, such as reductions in personal drug use


No, they were not more likely.  If anything, they were less likely to use again.  Your hypothesis is thus rejected.
 
2014-02-12 04:33:40 PM  

CJHardin: I propose that we ban Epinephrine because that only encourages people to eat foods that they are allergic to.  I mean, without the consequences of death, people with peanut allergies are going to be chowing down PB&Js like there is no tomorrow!


Yeah, because everyone who was stung by a bee & allergic ordered THAT online before they left the house.


Excuse me, Miss?  Could I have a bee sting please?  Oh, no I wouldn't if I didn't have an EpiPen.

Smacking forehead..
 
2014-02-12 04:34:58 PM  

Fizics: It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!


Just so you know, heroin dosage is not measured in heroins. I believe the correct term is 'screaming heebie-jeebies'
 
2014-02-12 04:40:52 PM  

toraque: Fizics: It's a hard line to take but I can understand it. You need to take away the safety net if these people count on if they are ever going to have a hope of being something other than a drain on society. Are these addicts going to stop at one heroins if they think that a johnny take back is just a ambulance ride away? Hell no, they are going to do as many as they can and let the rest of society clean up this mess. I had a stepson who started with this garbage when he went to college and we didn't ask our neighbors to fix him, he has to pick up the pieces himself, not call for the taxpayers to help him!

Just so you know, heroin dosage is not measured in heroins. I believe the correct term is 'screaming heebie-jeebies'


I cc good to know.
 
2014-02-12 04:44:18 PM  
Paul LePrick!
 
2014-02-12 04:52:24 PM  

TopoGigo: My very good friend was left on a cold porch to die because her "friends" were afraid of getting arrested. This law-and-order tyrant can choke on Satan's many-headed cock.


Chris Christie had one of those in New Jersey right after he vetoed the "good samaratin" bill the first time.

We mentioned it here on Fark when it happened.
 
2014-02-12 05:05:30 PM  

Private_Citizen: That's like banning fire fighters because they would encourage people to play with fire.


While we're at it all fire extingushers ought to be removed from schools and other public buildings in Maine, because they foster a relaxed and casual attitude toward the danger of fire.
 
2014-02-12 06:04:52 PM  
Another Mainer, and one who used to work at Marden's- yes, he is just as big an asshat in person.  I am never surprised at the headlines, and I constantly regret being one of the 5000 people who voted for someone who had no chance instead of voting for Cutler, who at the time seemed like a decent alternative.

/after the first encounter, the managers refused to schedule me for days he'd be visiting
//mainly because they didn't want to fire me for doing what they wanted to do themselves
 
2014-02-12 06:11:11 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: CJHardin: I propose that we ban Epinephrine because that only encourages people to eat foods that they are allergic to.  I mean, without the consequences of death, people with peanut allergies are going to be chowing down PB&Js like there is no tomorrow!

Yeah, because everyone who was stung by a bee & allergic ordered THAT online before they left the house.


Excuse me, Miss?  Could I have a bee sting please?  Oh, no I wouldn't if I didn't have an EpiPen.

Smacking forehead..


OK, I've read your abortion of a post numerous times and I can't for the life of me understand your point.  I'm glad that you are smacking your forehead because it relieves me of the obligation of doing so for you.
 
2014-02-12 07:40:42 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: CJHardin: As you may already know, it is suspected that the heroin that Phillip Seymour Hoffman ODed on had Fentanyl as a cutting agent. They use that a lot so they can step on the heroin more and it will still have the same or better kick to it.

if you are cutting heroin (cheap) with fentanyl (expensive) you are doing it VERY wrong.


My fault, I meant that after they cut the hell out of it with an inert substance they can bring it back up to perceived potency with a tiny amount of Fentanyl, not that they would use a lot of Fentanyl as the cutting agent.  From my understanding, a grain or two of the pure Fentanyl will kill you.
 
2014-02-12 09:22:41 PM  

FlashHarry: Chakro: There is no such thing as a "heroin overdose". That implies that it is safe to take heroin to a certain extent. People don't die from "heroin overdoses" they die from heroin. Stop being childish about the whole thing, grow up and accept it.

aaron sorkin, is that you?

actually, that's bullshiat. there is a safe level of heroin. it was developed by bayer in the late 1800s as a less-adictive (right!) substitute for morphine as a cough suppressant.

in fact, it is still prescribed today as a strong analgesic.

so, yeah, while heroin is extremely dangerous and highly addictive, it can be taken safely. and therefore, conversely, it can be over-dosed.


To be fair, I *think* that Sorkin (a recovering cocaine addict) intended to make the distinction between the drug itself and Hoffman's addiction to it.
 
2014-02-12 09:39:13 PM  

Carn: Here's a list of legal, prescription painkillers that are opioids, aka drugs that Naloxone might help you survive an accidental overdose:

codeine
fentanyl
hydrocodone
hydromorphone
meperidine
methadone
morphine
oxycodone
as well as combo drugs
Lorcet
Lortab
Norco
Vicodin
Percocet

But please keep derping it up with the "Yeah f*ck heroin shiatstains!"

Courtesy of Webmd


I was prescribed Norco after my appendectomy a couple years ago. I'd been on a morphine drip in the hospital, and that shiat was a very close second in terms of pain relief. I'll readily admit that I was bummed when the little bottle (maybe 16 pills?) was empty and my surgeon laughed in my face when I asked for a refill.

I can definitely understand someone getting addicted to an opioid.
 
2014-02-12 09:41:36 PM  
I thought junkies hate it when paramedics give them Narcan? Prevent them from getting value for money from their high or something?
 
2014-02-12 10:11:07 PM  
Kind of makes you wonder what these nuts will say when there is a HIV vaccine.
 
2014-02-12 10:38:18 PM  

DrBenway: What do your stupid facts matter when I have BELIEFS? And I believe the fastest way to solve our state's heroin problem is to encourage junkies to die as quickly as possible without interference from the state. Buncha do-gooder buttinskis need to mind their own beeswax.

But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


Paraphrasing Otter from Animal House---"Hey! We fu*ked up".
 
2014-02-12 10:49:37 PM  

justanothersumguy: Mainer here... LePage won the election after an Independent candidate split the Democratic vote, we have been making Fark regularly since then... and more good news farkers, with the election coming up... it is all set to happen again.

/Hate the bastard.


I think Cutler might get it this time. Not so sure about Michaud.
 
2014-02-12 10:52:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: The people of Maine voted and got the governor they deserve.


Just so you know, we didn't all vote for him. Stop putting me in the idiot bin.
 
2014-02-12 11:13:03 PM  
Why did they waste the space by placing the (R) after his name? Anyone could have guessed that based on the headline alone.
 
2014-02-13 12:15:25 AM  
Another jerkbag politician with teabags for brains.
 
2014-02-13 12:16:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: i hope this asshole has a granddaughter OD on heroin.

I hope his whole family ODs on heroin.  What a complete shiat stain of a human being.  People suck, but not usually this hard.


that seems a little harsh
 
2014-02-13 12:20:36 AM  

DrBenway: What do your stupid facts matter when I have BELIEFS? And I believe the fastest way to solve our state's heroin problem is to encourage junkies to die as quickly as possible without interference from the state. Buncha do-gooder buttinskis need to mind their own beeswax.

But seriously... how did Maine end up with this pecan log as governor, anyway? I thought Maine was sane, but there I go, being all wrong again.


I'm pretty sure the specific belief that wide availability of an efficacious treatment for OD's will result in some addicts increasing use of heroin is correct. See risk behavior trends since effective HIV treatment became available. Many people who have already evidenced poor risk aversion (for whatever reason in whatever situation) will decrease that risk aversion further commensurately with an increased sense of invulnerability.

NOT arguing he's less than a complete POS. Just that he's probably right about that one statement.
 
2014-02-13 12:25:04 AM  
FTFA: LePage, however, has taken a "drug warrior" approach to his state's heroin problem. In three years as governor, he has sought to cut funds for substance abuse treatment, limited the amount of time Mainers can spend on heroin replacement therapies like suboxone, and requested money to add 14 agents to the state Drug Enforcement Agency.

He should be impeached for being recklessly stupid.
 
2014-02-13 12:36:50 AM  

Begoggle: "LePage's fellow Republican, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, once opposed both increased naloxone access and Good Samaritan protections. "

Christie is showing his RINO nature more and more every day.
Please run for president, I want to see the Republicans throw you under the bus.


What do you have against buses?  You're gonna need one of these:

i.telegraph.co.uk

/I'd pay a LOT of money to get to drive one of those things.
 
2014-02-13 12:37:48 AM  

great_tigers: Really, if you OD on heroin is there anything to live for anyways?


Yes.
 
2014-02-13 07:44:57 AM  

Chakro: That's all very nice but it's not the same thing we are talking about and you know it. Bullshiat like this doesn't help the situation no matter how intelligent and superior it may make you feel.


many people die from alcohol overdoses each year. there is, however, a safe level of alcohol. just as there is a safe level of heroin. it is possible to take a safe dose, get high and live to see another day. millions of people do every day.

i'm not advocating it; i'm just stating fact.
 
2014-02-13 11:32:52 AM  
It seems that the Republicans' laser-like focus on jobs is currently limited to undertakers and funeral directors.
 
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