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2014-02-12 02:39:37 PM

btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.


Most of the so-called "illegals" are people who entered the US legally and overstayed their visas.  So guess what?  They did "come in" legally.
 
2014-02-12 02:40:08 PM

dpzum1: Isitoveryet: dpzum1: Sorry, no sympathy for non tax paying illegal immigrants.

how do they manage to avoid AZ sales tax?

...sorry...should have said "income tax"


well now, lets not devalue the benefits of sales tax to the glorious state of Arizona.
revenue which may even be put towards maintenance and upkeep of public restrooms.
 
2014-02-12 02:40:31 PM

here to help: If they really wanted to fix illegal immigration they would be all for an amnesty program


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1 98 6
 
2014-02-12 02:42:06 PM

here to help: Joe Blowme: As opposed to a $12,000 dress and heating a big tent in the dead of winter in DC? Waste like that?

Yeah... I have no idea what you are referring to...


This may help:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2557639/Michelle-Obama-cove r s-famous-arms-12-000-Carolina-Herrera-gown-White-House-state-dinner.ht ml
 
2014-02-12 02:43:05 PM

Boojum2k: here to help: If they really wanted to fix illegal immigration they would be all for an amnesty program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1 98 6


Maybe repeating that process precisely with no alterations will fix the problem for once and for all?
 
2014-02-12 02:43:23 PM

Turbo Cojones: Most of the so-called "illegals" are people who entered the US legally and overstayed their visas.


At which point they are no longer here legally. Hence, "illegal."

Don't mistreat them, just send them back home and let them come back legally. If home is such a hellhole, well, it's on our border so that would be a national security matter, so we'd need to help, fix, or annex Mexico, whatever it takes to make it livable.
 
2014-02-12 02:44:12 PM
I am a conservative libertarian, and this is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard...  I want secure borders, I hate the idea of amnesty, but even I want illegals to use the farking restrooms...    They are here, so we either let them use the restrooms like civilized people living in civilization, or we get ready for shiat in the streets...
 
2014-02-12 02:44:19 PM

Boojum2k: here to help: If they really wanted to fix illegal immigration they would be all for an amnesty program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1 98 6


Uh... 1986 was almost thirty years ago... and Reagan would be considered a RINO if not a libby mclibturd by today's GOP standards.

Do you not understand that this is an article about a present day conservative trying to pass unnecessary and oppressive laws simply to score points with bigots?
 
2014-02-12 02:44:21 PM

stevarooni: Maybe repeating that process precisely with no alterations will fix the problem for once and for all?


Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result is the definition of success, isn't it?
 
2014-02-12 02:44:46 PM

dpzum1: Isitoveryet: dpzum1: Sorry, no sympathy for non tax paying illegal immigrants.

how do they manage to avoid AZ sales tax?

...sorry...should have said "income tax"


Ummm. There is plenty of S.S. fraud and lots actually do have income tax deductions taken but will never file a return. So yeah, many probably pay more than lots of us do.
 
2014-02-12 02:45:43 PM
They should just piss on Republicans instead.
 
2014-02-12 02:45:51 PM

Joe Blowme: here to help: Seel has admitted his bill isn't likely to pass. In fact, it hasn't even been assigned to a committee for a hearing, which is the first step in moving any bill toward a vote. However, Seel said he felt the need to introduce it to make a statement.

So basically you are collecting a generous salary, healthcare and pension plan courtesy of taxpayer dollars AND tying up public resources just to be an obnoxious sh*thead.

Way to be "conservative", sh*tcock.

As opposed to a $12,000 dress and heating a big tent in the dead of winter in DC? Waste like that?


I'm guessing you think they should run the President of France over to the local McDonald's drive-thru?

It was probably just fine with you when Bush sent a pallet with $20 Billion in cash to Iraq because NOT WASTE when we do it!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/19/missing-iraq-money-may-be-as-m uc h-as-18-billion/
 
2014-02-12 02:45:59 PM
They're not all day labors standing outside home depot working for cash.
 
2014-02-12 02:46:06 PM
"Here señor, we know you need the help so we do our part."
 
2014-02-12 02:46:41 PM

here to help: and Reagan would be considered a RINO if not a libby mclibturd by today's GOP standards.


Not really.

here to help: Do you not understand that this is an article about a present day conservative trying to pass unnecessary and oppressive laws simply to score points with bigots?


Hey, I called it right from the start! Predictable FUD is predictable.
 
2014-02-12 02:47:21 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: They're not all day laborers standing outside home depot working for cash.


Right, some are working at textile factories.
 
2014-02-12 02:48:08 PM
I can't wait until Rep. Carl Seel wakes up to a giant steaming turd on his front lawn, courtesy of an illegal immigrant.

/Isn't this a basic human rights issue?  Not just the toilets, but roads and all that?  Send in the UN!
 
2014-02-12 02:48:32 PM
Wait til this guy wants to get his bathroom tiled.
 
2014-02-12 02:48:44 PM

Boojum2k: btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.

They get it, but it doesn't help their cause, so they throw a bunch of FUD about racism and being anti-immigration instead of confronting that fact.


So if Canadians were coming into this country illegally in the same numbers as Hispanics do you think they would get the same sorts of treatment?
 
2014-02-12 02:49:32 PM

rkiller1: here to help: Joe Blowme: As opposed to a $12,000 dress and heating a big tent in the dead of winter in DC? Waste like that?

Yeah... I have no idea what you are referring to...

This may help:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2557639/Michelle-Obama-cove r s-famous-arms-12-000-Carolina-Herrera-gown-White-House-state-dinner.ht ml


Hmm... nowhere in that article does it say that it was paid for by taxpayers. So our friend Joe was indeed being a moron. I guess it would be inappropriate to point out any high fashion items conservative first ladies have worn over the years... yanno... because they aren't black... and therefore I would be a racist for pointing it out.
 
2014-02-12 02:50:35 PM
Your honor, if it pleases the court, allow me to enter as state's evidence one mason jar of illegal alien pee.
 
2014-02-12 02:50:41 PM

Boojum2k: here to help: and Reagan would be considered a RINO if not a libby mclibturd by today's GOP standards.

Not really.

here to help: Do you not understand that this is an article about a present day conservative trying to pass unnecessary and oppressive laws simply to score points with bigots?

Hey, I called it right from the start! Predictable FUD is predictable.


Yes he would be.

And if the shoe fits... actions speak a lot louder than hollow of words of "I'm not a bigot, I just don't want the illegals. But I'm going to assume every Latino looking person is and require their papers, but I'm not a bigot I promise. I know a Martinez (I just don't want to live next door to house with 12 of them in it)"
 
2014-02-12 02:51:08 PM

penguinfark: So if Canadians were coming into this country illegally in the same numbers as Hispanics do you think they would get the same sorts of treatment?


Perhaps, but they better speak English, not that French mumbo jumbo.
 
2014-02-12 02:51:27 PM

penguinfark: So if Canadians were coming into this country illegally in the same numbers as Hispanics do you think they would get the same sorts of treatment?


Yes.
 
2014-02-12 02:52:09 PM
Sorry what? I was distracted by this picture in the sidebar.
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2014-02-12 02:54:34 PM

Boojum2k: Not really.


Riiiiight....

Boojum2k: Hey, I called it right from the start! Predictable FUD is predictable.


Is this some cutesey new republitard insult for liberals? I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Neither party is either one of those things. One however is shamelessly and consistently evil and have absolutely nothing to bring to the table except hate and idiocy leaving any sane non-assholes stuck supporting the other dildos. Cut the sh*t and maybe people will stop mocking you.
 
2014-02-12 02:55:17 PM

Boojum2k: penguinfark: So if Canadians were coming into this country illegally in the same numbers as Hispanics do you think they would get the same sorts of treatment?

Yes.


But they are a lot harder to pick out. I guess if you have hockey gear in your car then you're a suspect.
 
2014-02-12 02:55:25 PM

Boojum2k:

Hey, I called it right from the start! Predictable FUD is predictable.

Predictable, AND spicy.



www.fudusa.com
 
2014-02-12 02:56:13 PM

Maul555: I am a conservative libertarian, and this is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard...  I want secure borders, I hate the idea of amnesty, but even I want illegals to use the farking restrooms...


Yeah, you need to listen better (as did I).  As per the article:

House Bill 2192, authored by Rep. Carl Seel, would make it a crime - a serious misdemeanor on first offense, and a felony on second and subsequent offenses - for anyone who's in Arizona illegally to use any public resource.

So, no, not targeting restrooms by any means.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:20 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Yes he would be.


Seriously, no. I know this is the latest groupthink talking point, at least for those who aren't still shrieking about how evil Reagan was, but the modern GOP is less conservative in many ways, particularly socially. Do they still have the far-right types making noise? Yep. But the left has as many blithering idiots in political power. The major portion of both parties is still fairly moderate.
Hell, redo the immigration act of 1986 and add more enforcement with requirements for Mexico to match to reduce that enforcement. Carrot and stick approach.
 
2014-02-12 02:57:23 PM

toomuchwhargarbl: They should just piss on Republicans instead.


"I don't even know if I'm sitting on a toilet. All I know is, it was very cold and very white. Could have been a snowbank. Could have been a republican."
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-12 02:57:26 PM
Ummm, they're here illegally. Wouldn't anything they do be considered illegal?
 
2014-02-12 02:58:22 PM

here to help: I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Neither party is either one of those things.


Hey, we're on the same page now!
 
2014-02-12 02:59:57 PM

btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.


You are one of the people you are talking about who doesn't get the issue. You may think you do. You may work yourself into a lather over it. But you very clearly do not understand it.
 
2014-02-12 03:01:24 PM

btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.


0/10

Unless you're in favor of blowing up the entire existing naturalization process and starting over; then you get 3/10.
 
2014-02-12 03:02:03 PM

Nick Nostril: Ummm, they're here illegally. Wouldn't anything they do be considered illegal?


Not really, no. It's a civil matter, not a criminal one, so the solution is to get them in the system or deport them, depending on the circumstances. They should be held liable for criminal actions they do perform while here, but otherwise, no, they aren't committing crimes just by existing.
The problem with the proposed law is that it's unenforceable, for starters.
 
2014-02-12 03:03:38 PM

gshepnyc: btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.

You are one of the people you are talking about who doesn't get the issue. You may think you do. You may work yourself into a lather over it. But you very clearly do not understand it.


Serious question: please explain how he just doesn't get "the issue?"  Is it possible you two are talking about different issues?  You want human dignity for all, and he wants laws equally applied?  Is equality the issue or something else?
 
2014-02-12 03:04:15 PM

Boojum2k: Seriously, no. I know this is the latest groupthink talking point, at least for those who aren't still shrieking about how evil Reagan was, but the modern GOP is less conservative in many ways, particularly socially. Do they still have the far-right types making noise? Yep. But the left has as many blithering idiots in political power. The major portion of both parties is still fairly moderate.


Oh, Boojster. Do you get paid for this drivel or is it just a hobby? The 1980's repubs merely used the fundies and bigots as a vote machine but only threw them the odd policy bone. Now they prop them up as candidates who unfortunately get elected. Yes, the old guard likely aren't pleased with the monster they have created because it is costing them dearly but I feel no sympathy for them. This is what happens when you make deals with the devil.
 
2014-02-12 03:04:19 PM
stevarooni:
House Bill 2192, authored by Rep. Carl Seel, would make it a crime - a serious misdemeanor on first offense, and a felony on second and subsequent offenses - for anyone who's in Arizona illegally to use any public resource.

So, no, not targeting restrooms by any means.


For the benefit of anyone who didn't read the article, then didn't read your post, I'll repeat.  Important distinction between the article and subby's techincally true yet misleading headline.
 
2014-02-12 03:04:44 PM

Joe Blowme: dpzum1: Joe Blowme: FTA: "for anyone who's in Arizona illegally to use any public resource."

Maybe the "Latino activists" need to pick a country to be apart of and stick with it.

I live in Arizona. You just try sneaking into Mexico illegally. You'll get a pot to s*#t in, along with a nice jail cell with your new friend they call
"Big Raul"...

Sorry, no sympathy for non tax paying illegal immigrants.

Thats just racist and evil


Wow. A conservative circle jerk AND a pity party. XD
 
2014-02-12 03:05:38 PM
i think he just crossed a line...
 
2014-02-12 03:07:05 PM

Maud Dib: Boojum2k:

Hey, I called it right from the start! Predictable FUD is predictable.

Predictable, AND spicy.

[www.fudusa.com image 230x302]


stupid cats...

img8.imageshack.us
 
2014-02-12 03:07:37 PM
Well at least they work harder than all those damn Puerto Ricans from that welfare state of a craphole island.
 
2014-02-12 03:09:26 PM

btfoom: I can't understand how so many folks just don't get the issue.

They are ILLEGALLY in this country, period.  No one said they can't come in, just have to do it legally.


Are you here legally?
Show us the papers proving you are, before you can use our public facilities.
 
2014-02-12 03:10:35 PM
This week I've heard:
1. AZ right winger wants to make it illegal for illegal immigrants to use public restrooms.
2. Florida right wingers make it illegal for homeless people to use blankets.
3. Maine right winger Gov. opposes life saving drug because he doesn't like the people who would get it.
4. Kansas right wingers in the state house press to make it legal to discriminate against gay people.

Conservatives deserve every bit of hate they get aimed at them. There is just no way to accept a political movement that has so given itself over to the joyful infliction of needless cruelty. No farking wonder they have to make voting harder. Cheating is the only option they will have left.
 
2014-02-12 03:10:40 PM

Boojum2k: here to help: I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Neither party is either one of those things.

Hey, we're on the same page now!


Well I'm always happy to have a rational discussion with my conservative friends here on Fark and despite my reputation you'd be surprised at how conservative I really am. However, I'm sorry, you have never struck me as a rational conservative. Non stop talking points and nonsensical attacks against those "dirty libs" just aren't productive political discourse.

I mean... do you really think what this fellow has done here is a good use of government time/money? Would you really consider it "conservative"? The guy said himself he didn't expect the law to pass so why put it out there other than to further his own slimy agenda and create an even bigger wedge between citizens?
 
2014-02-12 03:11:24 PM

here to help: The 1980's repubs merely used the fundies and bigots as a vote machine but only threw them the odd policy bone. Now they prop them up as candidates who unfortunately get elected.


2000 elections Democrats said "If only you had nominated McCain we'd have voted for him, he's a war hero and a moderate"
2008 elections Democrats said "If only you had nominated Romney we'd have voted for him, he was governor of Massachusetts and a moderate"
2012 elections was Huntsman's turn in the Democrat's Favorite Republican barrel.

Meanwhile, we had Dubya, who was as in favor of civil unions as Kerry, and moreso than Obama until 2010 or so.

No, we haven't seen some walk to the right nationally by the GOP. State-wise, you get good ones and bad ones, but for every Todd Akin there's a Sheila Jackson Lee.

Bot sides are roughly as good as each other, vote for the one you like best. But please stop trying to rewrite history, Orwell wrote a warning not a guidebook.
 
2014-02-12 03:11:48 PM
Sure, the activists gave it to the legals, but who'll install it

My wife complains about the exicans here.But to me it's nice, they speak English better than I do.It is the highest percentage Hispanic population in the U.S.. Now going to Texas to visit family, you get a lot of arrogant, uneducated ones there, that make me glad I moved away.

/reading next months visit.
 
2014-02-12 03:12:00 PM

Begoggle: Are you here legally?
Show us the papers proving you are, before you can use our public facilities.


Right that's the only way it could work. Just like you have to prove you aren't a sex offender when you go to the playground.
 
2014-02-12 03:12:32 PM
If we made it illegal for illegals to consume any food or liquid then all of our immigration problems would resolve themselves with a week!
 
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