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(Talking Points Memo)   SC Gov "Nikki" Haley: let people carry guns without any training or permits, even in bars? Sure, why not? I mean really, what's the worst that could happen?   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-02-12 01:17:15 PM  
4 votes:

Frank N Stein: I see subby is still running with the "THE STREETS WILL RUN RED WITH BLOOD" hysteria


No subby is going with the "guns kill and injure people in accidents and accidental discharges at a rate FAR higher than the rate they are used in self defense, and alcohol is often a factor in both unintentional and intentional shootings, therefore lowering education requirements for gun handling and increasing the likelihood that they will be carried by someone who has also consumed alcohol, is a BAD thing and poorly thought out public policy"

/subby

//like guns, shoot them for fun.
///Big believer that "subject to reasonable restrictions as to time place and manner to advance a compelling state interest" applies to the 2nd amendment just as much as the first or any other amendment
2014-02-12 03:40:13 PM  
3 votes:
NO.

If you are working with a weapon, YOU MUST TRAIN IN ITS USE, or you are a danger to EVERYONE AROUND YOU. This is not negotiable. If you want to have a weapon around other people, you MAY NOT POSE A DANGER TO THOSE AROUND YOU.
2014-02-12 01:21:56 PM  
3 votes:

Frank N Stein: Saiga410: Just a simple progression of removing restrictions until you run into a problem.  We have allowed carry with training and removed some location restrictions without any major problems...  If this causes problems we can assume we have found the floor.  If no problems then we can go even farther.

Alaska was awesome in regards to concealed carry. Coming from Illinois to a place with constitutional carry was great. Same with open carry. Though I rarely concealed carry, there were quite a few times where I went for a hike with my bear gun, then stopped at a place to grab a bite to eat or something.


See? and this is why gun advocates need to realize that different states have different legitimate interests in firearm restriction.  Alaska is the least populated and largest state in the union, a place where being attacked by bears while going about your daily activities is not all that unlikely.   Carrying a gun is a prudent thing for many residents.   The same rules don;t really apply to say a multi-story apartment in Chicago where even an accidental discharge is likely to hit and injure somebody and being attacked by bears is really only likely on North Halstead.
2014-02-12 12:54:41 PM  
3 votes:

DrBenway: When I read stories like this, I'm reminded of old Westerns where lawless towns were cleaned up and made safe for citizens to walk down the street without wearing a gun. In retrospect, I now see how very silly that idea was. Thoroughly and utterly unprogressive.


The most iconic moment in the lore of "the Old West"  was the shoot-out at the OK Corral.  A shootout that occurred when the local sheriff tried to enforce a city ordinance banning the carrying of guns within town limits.  I wonder why the NRA glosses over that fact when they wax nostalgic about  about those days?  To them Wyatt Earp should be cast as the villain of the piece, trying to deny the Constitutional rights of innocent gun owners, no?
2014-02-12 11:34:53 AM  
3 votes:
Ideally, evolution would happen and the idiots will shoot themselves.

Realistically, lots more headlines on Fark from SC regarding innocent people getting shot, possibly prompting it to have its own tag.
2014-02-12 01:35:58 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: DrBenway: When I read stories like this, I'm reminded of old Westerns where lawless towns were cleaned up and made safe for citizens to walk down the street without wearing a gun. In retrospect, I now see how very silly that idea was. Thoroughly and utterly unprogressive.

The most iconic moment in the lore of "the Old West"  was the shoot-out at the OK Corral.  A shootout that occurred when the local sheriff tried to enforce a city ordinance banning the carrying of guns within town limits.  I wonder why the NRA glosses over that fact when they wax nostalgic about  about those days?  To them Wyatt Earp should be cast as the villain of the piece, trying to deny the Constitutional rights of innocent gun owners, no?

Part of me wishes that something like the shower scene from The Rock happens, and all these tough-guy "I'll carry my piece where I wanna carry my piece!" just blast away at each other in a Stuckey's over an unkind word and someone dropping a plate.

I mean, surely if it's impermissible to wear a gun and have any alcohol in a bar, these law-abiding citizens - who have many times let us know that if gun laws were tighter, they'd own all the illegal guns they can fit in an underground bunker - would never dream of imbibing the Bad Decision Juice while wearing hip-iron, right?

The total lack of DWI/DUIs in South Carolina is further proof that alcohol and firearms law may as well be gospel in the Palmetto State.


I'd like to see someone propose a criminal law for CWI "carrying while intoxicated"  public intoxication is already a crime, so itf you do it with a gun it is what lawyers call an "aggravating factor" or "sentence enhancer"   It's be interesting to see whether the NRA would oppose a common-sense safety measure like that.
2014-02-12 01:33:12 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: OK.  then let's also let people drive without a license or training.  what's the worst that could happen?


How about letting people vote without a license?  GOP:  no no no no no!
2014-02-12 01:28:17 PM  
2 votes:
Gun insurance.
Carry guns wherever you want, but you will be subsidizing cleanup for the inevitable accidents caused by your little toys.
2014-02-12 01:08:17 PM  
2 votes:
We need training to operate a backhoe. We need training to drive a car. We need training to swing a bat. We need training to use a computer. We need training to even friggin operate a cash register.

But to carry a tool that can easily cause the death of another individual through misuse? Meh.
2014-02-12 01:04:25 PM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: I see subby is still running with the "THE STREETS WILL RUN RED WITH BLOOD" hysteria


I see you are still running with "let us just arm everyone and see what happens". What a joyous society that would be.
2014-02-12 01:03:30 PM  
2 votes:
OK.  then let's also let people drive without a license or training.  what's the worst that could happen?
2014-02-12 01:02:37 PM  
2 votes:

Summoner101: Having never been, how much in SC is worth saving at this point?


A couple of peach trees and the Colbert family. The rest can go.
2014-02-12 12:55:37 PM  
2 votes:

TonnageVT: Ideally, evolution would happen and the idiots will shoot themselves.


technically speaking evolution would only ensure the most capable shots survive which would probably be linked to aggression and psychopathy
2014-02-12 02:04:45 PM  
1 vote:
Yes, because this worked so well in the old west.
2014-02-12 01:50:08 PM  
1 vote:

justtray: FnkyTwn: I don't see what the problem is with allowing responsible gun owners to carry weapons anywhere they want. It's a little like Pit Bulls in that, until they do something horrible, they're perfectly fine dogs, and then if something bad happens it's the owners fault, and then that's what the court system is for.

Ya im with this guy. If youre going to allow open or conceal carry, i dont see why youre limiting the location unless you can show that certain locations are inherently more risky. Maybe alcohol consumption qualifies, but id like to see data supporting that.

Conversely i support individual businesses not allowing guns on their premises if they choose.


You need to see data that alcohol consumption reduces inhibitions and causes ordinarily sensible people to act like jackasses... sometimes in an overly aggressive manner.

Seriously?  You need data on that?

Have you ever even been to a bar?
2014-02-12 01:19:12 PM  
1 vote:
Well it worked for these guys.....

upload.wikimedia.org
2014-02-12 01:12:49 PM  
1 vote:

Lord_Baull: We need training to operate a backhoe. We need training to drive a car. We need training to swing a bat. We need training to use a computer. We need training to even friggin operate a cash register.

But to carry a tool that can easily cause the death of another individual through misuse? Meh.


But those are not CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!! Or something...
2014-02-12 12:59:43 PM  
1 vote:
They should also let felons and people in prisons and people with protection orders have guns. It's obvious what the 2nd Amendment says.. no regulations! Crime will disappear if we'd just do this!
2014-02-12 12:59:23 PM  
1 vote:
It's hard to take anyone with a name of Nikki seriously, it's a porn name.
2014-02-12 12:58:27 PM  
1 vote:
Having never been, how much in SC is worth saving at this point?
2014-02-12 12:57:40 PM  
1 vote:
Well, I see SC is taking its claim as the national capital of "Hold my beer and watch this," seriously.
2014-02-12 12:15:22 PM  
1 vote:
When I read stories like this, I'm reminded of old Westerns where lawless towns were cleaned up and made safe for citizens to walk down the street without wearing a gun. In retrospect, I now see how very silly that idea was. Thoroughly and utterly unprogressive.
 
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