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(Talking Points Memo)   SC Gov "Nikki" Haley: let people carry guns without any training or permits, even in bars? Sure, why not? I mean really, what's the worst that could happen?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 232
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2014-02-12 05:44:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: PsiChick: NO.

If you are working with a weapon, YOU MUST TRAIN IN ITS USE, or you are a danger to EVERYONE AROUND YOU. This is not negotiable. If you want to have a weapon around other people, you MAY NOT POSE A DANGER TO THOSE AROUND YOU.

I'm glad the politics tab's resident ditz has chimed in


Wait, are we doing the thing where we call names instead of making arguments now? Well, you're a poo-poo head!
 
2014-02-12 05:46:10 PM  

The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.


Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.
 
2014-02-12 05:57:00 PM  

Luse: The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.



Because the scenario has no basis in reality, amiright?
 
2014-02-12 06:01:47 PM  

Lord_Baull: Luse: The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.

Because the scenario has no basis in reality, amiright?


Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.
 
2014-02-12 06:07:26 PM  
Maybe you just didn't know this is the new reality post-Newtown.

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stude n ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0" >http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stud en ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


https://youthradio.org/news/article/heres-the-drill-inside-a-school- lo ckdown/
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In Oakland, Julia Gelormino has a "game" she plays with her first grade students. She calls it hide and seek. It starts with an announcement on the PA that Dr. Lock is in the building. She tells her students, "So that's our special code."

Next, all 21 kids in their uniforms head to the bathroom, and one by one they line up and squish inside the small room. On her cue, all her students crouch down on the floor and become silent. Well, almost all of them.

Gelormino's tone of voice becomes serious as she focuses on one chatty student. "I don't want to scare you, but Willie, if someone was trying to harm us, and you were making that much sound, guess where they would go first? Here. So right now you weren't helping us to be safe," she says.

These kids are used to drills. They're used to real lockdowns too. Gelormino says she never knows the reason until afterwards. It could be a robbery in the neighborhood, or something more serious. Since the shooting in Newtown, the lockdowns have meant some really hard conversations with her first graders.

"One my kids asked, what would happen if they shot through the door? So she had obviously watched the things on the news," she said.


This is the reality our kids live in. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD. This is the reality of "guns everywhere". This is the reality where a gun nut massacres Kindergarteners in their classrooms. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD.

...

You "people" should take a long, good look at yourselves.
 
2014-02-12 06:12:21 PM  

StopLurkListen: Maybe you just didn't know this is the new reality post-Newtown.

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stude n ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0" >http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stud en ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


https://youthradio.org/news/article/heres-the-drill-inside-a-school- lo ckdown/


In Oakland, Julia Gelormino has a "game" she plays with her first grade students. She calls it hide and seek. It starts with an announcement on the PA that Dr. Lock is in the building. She tells her students, "So that's our special code."

Next, all 21 kids in their uniforms head to the bathroom, and one by one they line up and squish inside the small room. On her cue, all her students crouch down on the floor and become silent. Well, almost all of them.

Gelormino's tone of voice becomes serious as she focuses on one chatty student. "I don't want to scare you, but Willie, if someone was trying to harm us, and you were making that much sound, guess where they would go first? Here. So right now you weren't helping us to be safe," she says.

These kids are used to drills. They're used to real lockdowns too. Gelormino says she never knows the reason until afterwards. It could be a robbery in the neighborhood, or something more serious. Since the shooting in Newtown, the lockdowns have meant some really hard conversations with her first graders.

"One my kids asked, what would happen if they shot through the door? So she had obviously watched the things on the news," she said.

This is the reality our kids live in. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD. This is the reality of "guns everywhere". This is the reality where a gun nut massacres Kindergarteners in their classrooms. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD.

...

You "people" should take a long, good look at yourselves.


Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.
 
2014-02-12 06:20:04 PM  

Luse: StopLurkListen: Maybe you just didn't know this is the new reality post-Newtown.

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stude n ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0" >http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stud en ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


https://youthradio.org/news/article/heres-the-drill-inside-a-school- lo ckdown/


In Oakland, Julia Gelormino has a "game" she plays with her first grade students. She calls it hide and seek. It starts with an announcement on the PA that Dr. Lock is in the building. She tells her students, "So that's our special code."

Next, all 21 kids in their uniforms head to the bathroom, and one by one they line up and squish inside the small room. On her cue, all her students crouch down on the floor and become silent. Well, almost all of them.

Gelormino's tone of voice becomes serious as she focuses on one chatty student. "I don't want to scare you, but Willie, if someone was trying to harm us, and you were making that much sound, guess where they would go first? Here. So right now you weren't helping us to be safe," she says.

These kids are used to drills. They're used to real lockdowns too. Gelormino says she never knows the reason until afterwards. It could be a robbery in the neighborhood, or something more serious. Since the shooting in Newtown, the lockdowns have meant some really hard conversations with her first graders.

"One my kids asked, what would happen if they shot through the door? So she had obviously watched the things on the news," she said.

This is the reality our kids live in. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD. This is the reality of "guns everywhere". This is the reality where a gun nut massacres Kindergarteners in their classrooms. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD.

...

You "people" should take a long, good look at yourselves.

Your hysteria is what is cau ...


Go to hell. I came home to this. Go directly to hell.
 
2014-02-12 06:22:35 PM  

Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.


redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.



That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!
 
2014-02-12 06:32:53 PM  

Luse: The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.


Whatever side of an argument 'Luse' is on, I'll take the other.

This guy defended bikers that rode around NYC in blatant disregard for human life, then chased and beat a man basically to death after harrassing him and forcing him off the road.

Real classy guy.
 
2014-02-12 06:42:36 PM  

justtray: Luse: The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.

Whatever side of an argument 'Luse' is on, I'll take the other.

This guy defended bikers that rode around NYC in blatant disregard for human life, then chased and beat a man basically to death after harrassing him and forcing him off the road.

Real classy guy.


Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion. You couldn't last time.

You stand with mental giants with your "If he's for it then I'm against it!" approach.
 
2014-02-12 06:45:12 PM  

Luse: Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion.


No need to, now that we have your response to StopLurkListen, which I look forward to using in future gun threads.
 
2014-02-12 06:50:03 PM  

The Name: Luse: Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion.

No need to, now that we have your response to StopLurkListen, which I look forward to using in future gun threads.


Gee, I was mean to an obvious troll. You may want to check my profile.
 
2014-02-12 07:00:51 PM  

The Name: Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.

redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.


That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!


These kinds of drills and lectures have been going on for more than 30 years.
 
2014-02-12 07:07:01 PM  

StopLurkListen: Luse: StopLurkListen: Maybe you just didn't know this is the new reality post-Newtown.

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stude n ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0" >http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/lockdown-teaching-stud en ts-to-hide-from-guns-and-hide-their-fears/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


https://youthradio.org/news/article/heres-the-drill-inside-a-school- lo ckdown/


In Oakland, Julia Gelormino has a "game" she plays with her first grade students. She calls it hide and seek. It starts with an announcement on the PA that Dr. Lock is in the building. She tells her students, "So that's our special code."

Next, all 21 kids in their uniforms head to the bathroom, and one by one they line up and squish inside the small room. On her cue, all her students crouch down on the floor and become silent. Well, almost all of them.

Gelormino's tone of voice becomes serious as she focuses on one chatty student. "I don't want to scare you, but Willie, if someone was trying to harm us, and you were making that much sound, guess where they would go first? Here. So right now you weren't helping us to be safe," she says.

These kids are used to drills. They're used to real lockdowns too. Gelormino says she never knows the reason until afterwards. It could be a robbery in the neighborhood, or something more serious. Since the shooting in Newtown, the lockdowns have meant some really hard conversations with her first graders.

"One my kids asked, what would happen if they shot through the door? So she had obviously watched the things on the news," she said.

This is the reality our kids live in. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD. This is the reality of "guns everywhere". This is the reality where a gun nut massacres Kindergarteners in their classrooms. NOT YOUR REALITY THAT EXISTS ONLY IN YOUR HEAD.

...

You "people" should take a long, good look at yourselves.

Your hysteria is what ...


Holy fark!  You people are insane.
 
2014-02-12 07:14:09 PM  

The Name: redmid17: The Name: redmid17: If there were any kind of feasibility or merit to the measure, one would think that it wold have been applied to hunting licenses long ago.

Yeah, because it's not like gun enthusiasts actually lobby to prevent gun control or anything.

If you actually knew anything about the NRA prior to the late 1970s, this would be a good time to show it. However if you don't or won't take 30 seconds to google it, keep digging yourself deeper. It is amusing and my afternoon is going slowly.

The 70s ended 44 years ago, dude.


You make me sad. : ^ (
 
2014-02-12 07:25:10 PM  

Luse: Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion. You couldn't last time.


Really? Are you kidding me?

Look at your posts.

The bikers were never a threat to his family. We have proof of this. Even after he pissed them off by plowing over their friends they still did no harm to his family. They beat his ass, as was deserved at that point, but his family was fine. Suburbanite shriveled dick trying to justify his roadrage as protecting his family

Fark you, you asshole. I hope you die.
 
2014-02-12 07:26:45 PM  

Magorn: Cataholic: Magorn: guns kill and injure people in accidents and accidental discharges at a rate FAR higher than the rate they are used in self defense


If only this were remotely true.

Guns are 22 times more likely to be involved in accidental shootings, homicides, or suicide
attempts. For every one time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally
justifiable shooting, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides,
and 11 attempted or completed suicides
Kellermann, A. L., "Injuries and Deaths due to Firearms in the Home," Journal of Trauma, 45:2 (1998):263-67

note this is the 1998 study, not the 1993 one that NRA folks like to dismiss as "flawed"


Even the most conservative estimates put defensive use of a firearm at 100,000 incidents per year.  That is pretty darn close to the total number of people who are shot in the US every year (including intentional shootings and suicides).  So, I'm sure you have a statistic somewhere showing 100,000 people were accidentally shot last year?

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use- gu ns-in-self-defense
 
2014-02-12 07:27:10 PM  

Luse: justtray: Luse: The Name: StopLurkListen: My little girls' classroom spent an hour yesterday in the coat cubbies during a lockdown when there was a kidnapping/carjacking nearby. WHY? Because after Newtown, schools now can't just lock the doors, they have to make it appear as if the school room is empty. So they have to hide out of sight until there police call an all-clear.

Because some PSYCHO WITH A GUN SHOT UP A KINDERGARTEN. But can we have any reasonable discussion about restrictions on guns?

No, we just have to "train" our kids to be ready for a possible massacre in their school.

My baby girl woke up screaming at 3am.

I hate you gun nuts, you are everything that's wrong with this country


I notice that none of our brave, patriotic militiamen in here have had the courage to reply to this post.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Think of the children hysteria followed by a hysterical anecdote without context.

Whatever side of an argument 'Luse' is on, I'll take the other.

This guy defended bikers that rode around NYC in blatant disregard for human life, then chased and beat a man basically to death after harrassing him and forcing him off the road.

Real classy guy.

Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion. You couldn't last time.

You stand with mental giants with your "If he's for it then I'm against it!" approach.


Maybe this thread:  http://www.fark.com/comments/7962521/If-you-guessed-5-off-duty-NYC-co p s-were-involved-in-that-SUV-motorcycle-incident-come-up-to-claim-your- prize 
 
2014-02-12 07:55:25 PM  

redmid17: The Name: Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.

redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.


That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!

These kinds of drills and lectures have been going on for more than 30 years.


So?
 
2014-02-12 07:59:43 PM  

The Name: redmid17: The Name: Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.

redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.


That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!

These kinds of drills and lectures have been going on for more than 30 years.

So?


She was acting like this is some new kind of thing that happened solely because of Newtown. It's not. My schools had monthly practice lockdowns after Columbine and Pearl. Her issue shouldn't be with the concept of guns. It should be with the school for fear mongering. Her child is much more likely to die from a pool, a crash, or any other number circumstances.
 
2014-02-12 08:02:17 PM  

redmid17: The Name: redmid17: The Name: Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.

redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.


That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!

These kinds of drills and lectures have been going on for more than 30 years.

So?

She was acting like this is some new kind of thing that happened solely because of Newtown. It's not. My schools had monthly practice lockdowns after Columbine and Pearl.


Who cares if it isn't new?  What difference does that make?
 
2014-02-12 08:03:54 PM  

The Name: redmid17: The Name: redmid17: The Name: Luse: Your hysteria is what is causing your kid nightmares. Try to spend a little less time on mommy blogs.

redmid17: Less of a basis than teaching your kids what to do when lightning strikes them or they're in a train crash.


That's it!  Teach that parent of a scared child a lesson!  Show everyone who's REALLY the asshole in this thread!

These kinds of drills and lectures have been going on for more than 30 years.

So?

She was acting like this is some new kind of thing that happened solely because of Newtown. It's not. My schools had monthly practice lockdowns after Columbine and Pearl.

Who cares if it isn't new?  What difference does that make?


Think about it for a minute and feel free not to cut my posts short. Maybe you can do that after you explain the rationality of gun and hunting insurance.
 
2014-02-12 08:09:17 PM  

redmid17: Think about it for a minute


No, tell me.  Tell me how a thirty-year tradition of school shootings is supposed to be more comforting than a recent upsurge in school shootings.
 
2014-02-12 08:10:33 PM  
Still trying real hard to make us a third world country.
 
2014-02-12 08:15:16 PM  

The Name: redmid17: Think about it for a minute

No, tell me.  Tell me how a thirty-year tradition of school shootings is supposed to be more comforting than a recent upsurge in school shootings.


Nah every time I try to explain something to you, you just drop the entire conversation. I want to make sure you're learning something from a blatant troll account who's worrying for the children.
 
2014-02-12 08:17:30 PM  

justtray: Luse: Perhaps you'd care to post a few quotes proving your assertion. You couldn't last time.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Look at your posts.

The bikers were never a threat to his family. We have proof of this. Even after he pissed them off by plowing over their friends they still did no harm to his family. They beat his ass, as was deserved at that point, but his family was fine. Suburbanite shriveled dick trying to justify his roadrage as protecting his family

Fark you, you asshole. I hope you die.


Classy.
 
Your quote does not show me defending anyone. That was the factual, chronological sequence of events. You and others were hoping for more death and carnage, because hating bikes is very in vogue on Fark. I called them douchebags multiple times, I simply refused to white knight the driver.


On the other hand here's what you had to say in the same conversation.

 Yes, he should have gotten more of them. The ones that followed him and forced him to stop again after the fact also should have been killed. If it was me, I would have been running them off the road as they tried.

Nice Mad Max fantasy you have there.  There is a word for people like you. Sociopath.  You seem to want alot of people dead or suffering. The fact that your cognitive dissonance is so strong that you actually believe you have the moral high ground is more sad than anything.

If there is an argument that can sway me towards more gun control, it's that people like you exist. I don't wish you death or harm. I just wish you get the professional help you so desperately need.
 
2014-02-12 08:21:35 PM  

redmid17: The Name: redmid17: Think about it for a minute

No, tell me.  Tell me how a thirty-year tradition of school shootings is supposed to be more comforting than a recent upsurge in school shootings.

Nah every time I try to explain something to you, you just drop the entire conversation. I want to make sure you're learning something from a blatant troll account who's worrying for the children.



Yeah, that's what I thought.  Fark off, dimwit.
 
2014-02-12 08:25:41 PM  

The Name: redmid17: The Name: redmid17: Think about it for a minute

No, tell me.  Tell me how a thirty-year tradition of school shootings is supposed to be more comforting than a recent upsurge in school shootings.

Nah every time I try to explain something to you, you just drop the entire conversation. I want to make sure you're learning something from a blatant troll account who's worrying for the children.


Yeah, that's what I thought.  Fark off, dimwit.


Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.
 
2014-02-12 08:32:14 PM  

redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.


Oh, the thing about the NRA being a lobby for neo-Confederate militia nuts for ONLY the past 45 years or so?  Yeah, that's the most dumbass reason I have ever heard for opposing a policy.  The fact that people 45 years ago did not entertain a certain idea is not a reason in and of itself to not consider it today.
 
2014-02-12 08:37:01 PM  

The Name: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Oh, the thing about the NRA being a lobby for neo-Confederate militia nuts for ONLY the past 45 years or so?  Yeah, that's the most dumbass reason I have ever heard for opposing a policy.  The fact that people 45 years ago did not entertain a certain idea is not a reason in and of itself to not consider it today.


Dude, slow down, those goal posts are moving so fast I can barely see'em!
 
2014-02-12 08:44:27 PM  

The Name: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Oh, the thing about the NRA being a lobby for neo-Confederate militia nuts for ONLY the past 45 years or so?  Yeah, that's the most dumbass reason I have ever heard for opposing a policy.  The fact that people 45 years ago did not entertain a certain idea is not a reason in and of itself to not consider it today.


So you don't understand the history or the context. You're also repeating yourself from earlier. Try again
 
2014-02-12 08:48:59 PM  

redmid17: The Name: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Oh, the thing about the NRA being a lobby for neo-Confederate militia nuts for ONLY the past 45 years or so?  Yeah, that's the most dumbass reason I have ever heard for opposing a policy.  The fact that people 45 years ago did not entertain a certain idea is not a reason in and of itself to not consider it today.

So you don't understand the history or the context. You're also repeating yourself from earlier. Try again


Nope.  Ball's in your court, dude.  You asked for a response, not a history dissertation defense, and I responded.  That's what I think about it, well-informed or not.

Now it's your turn to tell me why someone should be less upset about 30 years' worth of shootings and subsequent drills than about a recent rise in shootings and drills.
 
2014-02-12 08:52:47 PM  
Well, that "won't someone think of the children!" troll certainly took awhile, but did take root.  lol
 
2014-02-12 08:59:29 PM  

Farker Soze: Well, that "won't someone think of the children!" troll certainly took awhile, but did take root.  lol


Not really. This is the second or third thread justtray hijacked to try to misrepresent what I said in the biker thread. It seems I've really struck a nerve. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to let it go. Slightly disconcerting when you realize that he seems to be obsessed with me as well as a sociopath. We already know he's got a Mad Max fantasy, I just hope his fantasies don't extend to Dexter, and if they do I really hope he follows the code to a t as I haven't killed anyone.
 
2014-02-12 09:05:58 PM  
My penis is very very very tiny.

I need to carry a large gun when I go to a bar.

/very very verrrrrrry tiny
//bigass rubber balls on my truck though
 
2014-02-12 09:08:56 PM  

Kibbler: My penis is very very very tiny.

I need to carry a large gun when I go to a bar.

/very very verrrrrrry tiny
//bigass rubber balls on my truck though


It's your bedtime honey, the grownups are trying to talk.
 
2014-02-12 09:16:31 PM  

Luse: Farker Soze: Well, that "won't someone think of the children!" troll certainly took awhile, but did take root.  lol

Not really. This is the second or third thread justtray hijacked to try to misrepresent what I said in the biker thread. It seems I've really struck a nerve. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to let it go. Slightly disconcerting when you realize that he seems to be obsessed with me as well as a sociopath. We already know he's got a Mad Max fantasy, I just hope his fantasies don't extend to Dexter, and if they do I really hope he follows the code to a t as I haven't killed anyone.


No way.  He hates violence so much he vehemently wishes for your death.  It makes sense to me.
 
2014-02-12 09:42:45 PM  

Farker Soze: Luse: Farker Soze: Well, that "won't someone think of the children!" troll certainly took awhile, but did take root.  lol

Not really. This is the second or third thread justtray hijacked to try to misrepresent what I said in the biker thread. It seems I've really struck a nerve. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be able to let it go. Slightly disconcerting when you realize that he seems to be obsessed with me as well as a sociopath. We already know he's got a Mad Max fantasy, I just hope his fantasies don't extend to Dexter, and if they do I really hope he follows the code to a t as I haven't killed anyone.

No way.  He hates violence so much he vehemently wishes for your death.  It makes sense to me.


LOL. So essentially it's like StopLurkListen hoping for her magic sky wizard to sentence me to eternal suffering. I love how these "good" and "civilized" people can't wait for something horrible to happen to others who just happen to disagree with them.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:23 PM  

redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.


Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?
 
2014-02-12 09:54:34 PM  

DrBenway: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?


On public roads. Some people use vehicles on large plots of privately owned land. Did you know that you don't need a license to operate virtually any vehicle on a privately owned plot of land? Did you know that Jeeno?

/ The perils of using your own experience as a syntax to create blanket rules for all.
 
2014-02-12 10:06:19 PM  

The Name: redmid17: The Name: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Oh, the thing about the NRA being a lobby for neo-Confederate militia nuts for ONLY the past 45 years or so?  Yeah, that's the most dumbass reason I have ever heard for opposing a policy.  The fact that people 45 years ago did not entertain a certain idea is not a reason in and of itself to not consider it today.

So you don't understand the history or the context. You're also repeating yourself from earlier. Try again

Nope.  Ball's in your court, dude.  You asked for a response, not a history dissertation defense, and I responded.  That's what I think about it, well-informed or not.

Now it's your turn to tell me why someone should be less upset about 30 years' worth of shootings and subsequent drills than about a recent rise in shootings and drills.


You didn't actually respond to the explanation. You repeated your ignorant answer from a question I asked you earlier.
 
2014-02-12 10:13:54 PM  
Fark people

I need help.  My gun must be broken.  It has never killed anyone.  Do warranties usually cover this defect?  In fact, the only damage it has ever done is to those evil paper targets.  It's almost like my gun was "designed" to poke holes in innocent paper targets.

Could someone recommend a gun that kills people right out of the box?  I might need to upgrade.
 
2014-02-12 10:20:14 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Fark people

I need help.  My gun must be broken.  It has never killed anyone.  Do warranties usually cover this defect?  In fact, the only damage it has ever done is to those evil paper targets.  It's almost like my gun was "designed" to poke holes in innocent paper targets.

Could someone recommend a gun that kills people right out of the box?  I might need to upgrade.


How have you been holding it? Some say that holding it perpendicular to the ground is correct. That's bullshiat. You want to hold it sideways. You look good and you'll be more accurate.
 
2014-02-12 10:22:09 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: HK-MP5-SD: Masso: Of course, let people carry guns into the bar, provided that they don't drink.

Gun crazed people that want to drink will eagerly leave the gun behind and most likely to get drunk will behave very rationale and responbisbly.

The other option is the equivalent of banning anyone from driving a car to a bar because some people will drink and drive.  You criminalize the behavior you want to end, not one possible intermediate step that may lead to that behavior.  Banning people from carrying at bars will do nothing to stop Billy-Bob from strapping on a gun and getting shiat faced at his buddy's house then wandering around town.  As long as the level of intoxication in the law is reasonable, possibly the same as for a DUI charge, I would think that a carrying a firearm while intoxicated law would be fairly easy to pass.

Let's play a game:
A. Ford Focus
B. Jeep CJ-7
C. M1911
D. Volkswagen Jetta

Which of these
1) does not require a license and insurance for use in Arizona
2) is designed specifically to kill people
3) is asinine to have in public outside a combat zone, job requirement, or direct, specific threat to your person
?

Well?

Hint: This is Fark.


You see, This is why no progress will ever be made in gun control.  I am a gun owner. I state that under current law people may be able to legally carry a firearm when intoxicated and I don't think that is good.  I propose that we should pass a law making that illegal.  But, even though I am fairly sure that you don't support drunk people carrying guns legally, Your response isn't "yeah, I agree, that isn't good, we should make it illegal".  Your response is "All guns are evil, they have no place outside of soldiers in combat"

In answer to your questions....
1) None of them require licenses or insurance as long as they stay on private policy.  Only the 1911 requires a background investigation before you purchase it to ensure that you are legally allowed to use it before purchase.
2) Only the 1911 was specifically designed to kill, of course the other 3 do a pretty good job of killing people on occasion, even though that wasn't what they were designed to do.  Being designed to kill is not a bad thing. There exist in this world a small but not inconsiderable number of people who are in need of killing.  If you encounter one of them it is useful to have a tool designed to kill.
3) I don't think any of them are asinine to have outside a combat zone, but even if you do, you have to admit that non-combat zones can become combat zones with no warning whatsoever.  In the last month, a shopping mall close to my home, the parking lot across the street from my job, a small business close to my home, and a number of homes and street in the area all became combat zones with no warning to anyone involved.

I don't think "job requirement" is a good reason to carry a gun.  "Job requirement" just means because your employer says so.   My employer is an idiot.  If he were to tell me that I needed to carry a gun at work, I would tell him that I fix computers and I don't think a gun would be very useful to me and besides our building has its own armed and sworn police force with full police powers.

As far as direct, specific threats..... despite what you see on Lifetime movies, they basically don't happen.  Very few people are dumb enough to threaten to kill a person before they do it.  Doing so often causes inconvenient interviews with police officers before you can accomplish your goal or a swift trip to prison after.
 
2014-02-12 10:46:28 PM  

redmid17: SCUBA_Archer: Fark people

I need help.  My gun must be broken.  It has never killed anyone.  Do warranties usually cover this defect?  In fact, the only damage it has ever done is to those evil paper targets.  It's almost like my gun was "designed" to poke holes in innocent paper targets.

Could someone recommend a gun that kills people right out of the box?  I might need to upgrade.

How have you been holding it? Some say that holding it perpendicular to the ground is correct. That's bullshiat. You want to hold it sideways. You look good and you'll be more accurate.


This is all true. Another point to consider is what kind of ammo are you using? If you've been using STEELHAWK rounds you may have a problem.
 
2014-02-12 11:00:15 PM  

Luse: DrBenway: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?

On public roads. Some people use vehicles on large plots of privately owned land. Did you know that you don't need a license to operate virtually any vehicle on a privately owned plot of land? Did you know that Jeeno?

/ The perils of using your own experience as a syntax to create blanket rules for all.


Oh... so then you're okay with insurance being required for gun owners for some uses but not all? Well, that's a start. Say, with comparable percentages as with drivers on public roads versus drivers on private property? Works for me.
 
2014-02-12 11:06:14 PM  

DrBenway: Luse: DrBenway: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?

On public roads. Some people use vehicles on large plots of privately owned land. Did you know that you don't need a license to operate virtually any vehicle on a privately owned plot of land? Did you know that Jeeno?

/ The perils of using your own experience as a syntax to create blanket rules for all.

Oh... so then you're okay with insurance being required for gun owners for some uses but not all? Well, that's a start. Say, with comparable percentages as with drivers on public roads versus drivers on private property? Works for me.


Maybe not all but we can talk. But surely that would mean reciprocity for my CC would be implemented in all jurisdictions, with CC in virtually all establishments?
 
2014-02-12 11:34:52 PM  

DrBenway: Luse: DrBenway: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?

On public roads. Some people use vehicles on large plots of privately owned land. Did you know that you don't need a license to operate virtually any vehicle on a privately owned plot of land? Did you know that Jeeno?

/ The perils of using your own experience as a syntax to create blanket rules for all.

Oh... so then you're okay with insurance being required for gun owners for some uses but not all? Well, that's a start. Say, with comparable percentages as with drivers on public roads versus drivers on private property? Works for me.


I'm not.
 
2014-02-12 11:36:50 PM  

Luse: DrBenway: Luse: DrBenway: redmid17: Tell you what. You respond to my explanation of why gun insurance is a bad idea and I will answer your question more in depth.

Is that where you said you don't need insurance to get a driver's license? True perhaps, but a bit disingenuous, isn't it, considering you can't actually operate a vehicle legally without proof of insurance whether you have a license or not?

On public roads. Some people use vehicles on large plots of privately owned land. Did you know that you don't need a license to operate virtually any vehicle on a privately owned plot of land? Did you know that Jeeno?

/ The perils of using your own experience as a syntax to create blanket rules for all.

Oh... so then you're okay with insurance being required for gun owners for some uses but not all? Well, that's a start. Say, with comparable percentages as with drivers on public roads versus drivers on private property? Works for me.

Maybe not all but we can talk. But surely that would mean reciprocity for my CC would be implemented in all jurisdictions, with CC in virtually all establishments?


Would that be a logical consequence of the insurance thing, or is this a "you owe me something for implementing sensible policy" thing?  If it's the latter, then fark off.  You gun nuts are the only people who think they deserve special compensation every time a law causes the slightest inconvenience to them.
 
2014-02-12 11:44:59 PM  
What exactly would the insurance cover?  Don't most insurances exclude coverage for damage caused by criminal activity?  Or is this some back-door gun grabber justification to further restrain gun ownership when no sane insurance company is willing to offer policies to cover the onerous requirements laid down by the legislators.
 
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