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(Guardian)   Ten people charged with manslaughter after 21 die in least successful Love Parade ever   (theguardian.com) divider line 45
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2014-02-12 11:08:59 AM  
 
2014-02-12 11:22:21 AM  
i58.tinypic.com

"Happy Love Day!"
 
2014-02-12 12:14:03 PM  
Hey now, Isn't trampling just hugging with your feet?
 
2014-02-12 12:17:29 PM  
If Techno Viking was there, he would have put a stop to that shiat.
 
2014-02-12 12:17:35 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting article on the physics of the disaster.


Yikes. That article is not fun to read if you are claustrophobic
 
2014-02-12 12:17:41 PM  
These people were Germans. The stampede broke out when someone shouted "Polen gibt es dort!"
 
2014-02-12 12:17:54 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Hey now, Isn't trampling just hugging with your feet?


Deep massage.
 
2014-02-12 12:19:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: If Techno Viking was there, he would have put a stop to that shiat.


He was too busy dancing at f*ck parade.
 
2014-02-12 12:22:27 PM  
21 dead?  That rivals Indian festival stampedes.
 
2014-02-12 12:36:24 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting article on the physics of the disaster.


It's not even a new phenomenon, we've known about the dangers of crowd crush for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Not a riot, just bad crowd control.
 
2014-02-12 12:37:17 PM  
i1207.photobucket.com
manslaughter!  I slaughtered a man!
 
2014-02-12 12:37:23 PM  
DRTFA, just saw "Love Parade."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSDoV8xsN0
 
2014-02-12 12:40:55 PM  
DrunkWithImpotence:
It's not even a new phenomenon, we've known about the dangers of crowd crush for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Not a riot, just bad crowd control.


Yeah... pretty much any time this sort of thing happens, there was someone saying "we need to limit access so nobody gets in for free."
 
2014-02-12 12:46:34 PM  
Manslaughter in Germany will get you what? 50 hours of community service, €100 fine and a yellow card?
 
2014-02-12 12:47:33 PM  

cirby: DrunkWithImpotence:
It's not even a new phenomenon, we've known about the dangers of crowd crush for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Not a riot, just bad crowd control.

Yeah... pretty much any time this sort of thing happens, there was someone saying "we need to limit access so nobody gets in for free."


We better lock the doors in case someone tries to sneak out without paying!
 
2014-02-12 12:50:41 PM  
"The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!"
 
2014-02-12 12:53:40 PM  
There must be more to this than what's in TFA, or otherwise they are criminally prosecuting them for not being psychic, which I'd readily believe if it were Italy, but Germany generally seems more rational.
 
2014-02-12 12:58:14 PM  
"Things can go terribly wrong, in spite of no bad intentions from anyone."

What a beautifully succinct and accurate quote from the guys doing the fluid dynamics study.
 
2014-02-12 01:03:44 PM  
Blaming the event organizers when the people at the event decide to kill themselves in a stampede? What is this, freakin' Ger... oh, it is.
 
2014-02-12 01:05:55 PM  
And yet no one gets hurt at Wacken.
 
2014-02-12 01:07:08 PM  

Glitchwerks: If Techno Viking was there, he would have put a stop to that shiat.


scrapetv.com
 
2014-02-12 01:11:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: cirby: DrunkWithImpotence:
It's not even a new phenomenon, we've known about the dangers of crowd crush for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Not a riot, just bad crowd control.

Yeah... pretty much any time this sort of thing happens, there was someone saying "we need to limit access so nobody gets in for free."

We better lock the doors in case someone tries to sneak out without paying!


This one had more to do with a completely unsuitable venue the way I recall it. There's YouTube video from inside the crowd that isn't very scary until you start seeing people get lifted up onto the overpass, and realize nobody in this huge space is moving.
 
2014-02-12 01:17:38 PM  
Accustomed to a high degree of efficiency and organisation at such events, Germans were dumbfounded by the chaos and by media reports that officials and organisers did not heed warnings that there would be problems with such a massive crowd.

That made me chuckle...
 
2014-02-12 01:17:50 PM  
Horton heard The Who.
 
2014-02-12 01:19:14 PM  
Technically, WW1 started after the Germany-Austria-Hungary love parade into Serbia in 1914. Making this current love parade the second least successful.
 
2014-02-12 01:20:11 PM  

Carousel Beast: There must be more to this than what's in TFA, or otherwise they are criminally prosecuting them for not being psychic, which I'd readily believe if it were Italy, but Germany generally seems more rational.


They are prosecuting them for ignoring safety concerns and holding the event on an obviously unsuitable site. The city considered the Love Parade a vital strategic interest because clearly the best way to convince people that your city is not a dreary rust belt shiathole is a cooperation with a cheapo gym chain that has bought the rights to a played-out 90s event that Berlin didn't want anymore.
 
2014-02-12 01:25:26 PM  

SwiftFox: "The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!"


One of my favorite movie lines, and it always comes to mind whenever I see a story on mass panic or crowds in general getting out of control.

+1
 
2014-02-12 01:27:32 PM  
Short version:

FTA: "In order for a safe flow rate to have been maintained, there should have been no more than 1.75 people occupying any given square meter of space. Instead, there were up to five."

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2014-02-12 01:28:06 PM  
So the Love Parade was a little stampede where, people died together?  Love Parade baby?

/narrow underpass, busted
 
2014-02-12 01:39:08 PM  

P. Yorck: Carousel Beast: There must be more to this than what's in TFA, or otherwise they are criminally prosecuting them for not being psychic, which I'd readily believe if it were Italy, but Germany generally seems more rational.

They are prosecuting them for ignoring safety concerns and holding the event on an obviously unsuitable site. The city considered the Love Parade a vital strategic interest because clearly the best way to convince people that your city is not a dreary rust belt shiathole is a cooperation with a cheapo gym chain that has bought the rights to a played-out 90s event that Berlin didn't want anymore.


So they'll be prosecuting the council that approved the site, too?
 
2014-02-12 01:42:15 PM  
This seems appropriate.
 
2014-02-12 01:44:49 PM  

xenomorpheus: Glitchwerks: If Techno Viking was there, he would have put a stop to that shiat.

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be careful, he might sue you now
 
2014-02-12 01:48:03 PM  
static.squarespace.com
 
2014-02-12 01:57:30 PM  
Seems reasonable. If you organize an event and people end up dead, there needs to be an investigation. If not else, to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I really thought this would be India though.
 
2014-02-12 02:02:00 PM  

DrPainMD: Short version:

FTA: "In order for a safe flow rate to have been maintained, there should have been no more than 1.75 people occupying any given square meter of space.


approve:

www.litmir.net
 
2014-02-12 02:13:08 PM  

Carousel Beast: P. Yorck:

[...] They are prosecuting them for ignoring safety concerns and holding the event on an obviously unsuitable site. [...]

So they'll be prosecuting the council that approved the site, too?


I am not sure if you have anyone specific in mind. Six of those charged are city officials involved in the various stages of the approval process.

If you mean the city council as in the city legislative, then they only authorized the executive to cooperate with the Love Parade operators in very general terms.
 
2014-02-12 02:32:48 PM  
"Do not eat the brown acid"

/they didn't listen
 
2014-02-12 02:43:49 PM  

Carousel Beast: There must be more to this than what's in TFA, or otherwise they are criminally prosecuting them for not being psychic, which I'd readily believe if it were Italy, but Germany generally seems more rational.


The article is pretty clear that the deaths were the direct result of poor event planning.

State prosecutors investigated why an event set up for 250,000 people ended up with nearly 500,000 attending.
Bien said the access was clearly too narrow to cope with the number of people who were expected. He argued that the event employees should have recognised that, and that the city employees should not have given the event a permit to go ahead.


Capacity limits are a very real thing in... well, everywhere.
 
2014-02-12 03:04:51 PM  
Death by snu snu?

Alonjar: Capacity limits are a very real thing in... well, everywhere.


When I used to work at bars and clubs the promotors would get pissed if the fire marshall showed up. Some of those promoters were such greedy farks they would pack people into a place until the doors were bursting.
 
2014-02-12 03:24:07 PM  

blatz514: Prophet of Loss: Hey now, Isn't trampling just hugging with your feet?

Deep massage.



"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot massaging a human face - forever. "

"That's not so bad." said Winston.

 
2014-02-12 03:29:49 PM  

Alonjar: Carousel Beast: There must be more to this than what's in TFA, or otherwise they are criminally prosecuting them for not being psychic, which I'd readily believe if it were Italy, but Germany generally seems more rational.

The article is pretty clear that the deaths were the direct result of poor event planning people behaving like farking sheep.


FTFY

/they should charge the other 499,979 people too
//this shiat is why we deserve to go extinct
 
2014-02-12 03:37:21 PM  

Sybarite: Interesting article on the physics of the disaster.


it is. Tho some is logic (not suggesting there is an overabundance of that) and some has me pondering - specifically the Colosseum. People would likely be exiting with friends, less chance of fights perhaps? Today, how much security would be needed since they would be going in all directions?

/still thinking ;-)
 
2014-02-12 03:45:19 PM  
Loveparade is still a thing?

/was there in 1999
 
2014-02-12 03:47:20 PM  
MFAWG:
This one had more to do with a completely unsuitable venue the way I recall it. There's YouTube video from inside the crowd that isn't very scary until you start seeing people get lifted up onto the overpass, and realize nobody in this huge space is moving.

The problem was that they restricted the entrance/exit to one spot - when there were other ways into the area.

There was the main ramp, climbing up from the main entrance - but there was a smaller, parallel ramp they closed off. This smaller ramp should have been used as the early outflow for the grounds, but it was blocked off.

The entire north end of the area could also have been used as an entrance/exit. It wasn't.

The whole area was only about a half-mile by a tenth of a mile.

Terrible planning and stupid crowd control.


Location for Google Earth and similar apps:
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2014-02-13 12:41:26 AM  
Didn't they say they were cancelling the Love Parade years back after a whole shiatload of people died?
 
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