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(Chicago Trib)   Chicago Bears seem to think the best way to bolster their defense is by having someone come in and teach Tae Kwan Do, the Dane Cook of martial arts   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 63
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2014-02-12 10:53:19 AM  
ok, I LOLed, subby,


never met a black belt in Tae Kwan Do that didn't have a black eye.
 
2014-02-12 10:56:28 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-12 11:02:02 AM  
I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.
 
2014-02-12 11:03:31 AM  
Finally, we can get that scene from Necessary Roughness in real life.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:11 AM  

R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.


I always figured Tai Chi would be more helpful in shedding blockers.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:51 AM  
It's irresponsible to teach TKD without also teaching Judo.  Put the them together and you've got a martial arts Reece's Peanut Butter Cup.


/yeah, I bit.
 
2014-02-12 11:26:06 AM  

iron_city_ap: R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.

I always figured Tai Chi would be more helpful in shedding blockers.


No, that's aikido, where your defense is the offense.
 
2014-02-12 11:26:36 AM  

Teve Torbes: Finally, we can get that scene from Necessary Roughness in real life.


First thing I thought of too.

/ Bears fan
// OK with the hire. The guy has a good NFL resume, let's see if it translates to the field
 
2014-02-12 11:28:54 AM  
Considering Brian Urlacher once almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, they may want to teach them a martial art that doesn't completely suck.
 
2014-02-12 11:29:18 AM  
Krav Maga is the Carlos mencia of martial arts;  borrows from many, believes it is original, but sucks ass.

 
2014-02-12 11:29:44 AM  

R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.


Or sumo.
 
2014-02-12 11:32:31 AM  
On Tuesdays he does a really rigorous spin class.
 
2014-02-12 11:32:57 AM  

machoprogrammer: Considering Brian Urlacher once almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, they may want to teach them a martial art that doesn't completely suck.



no shiat?  Urlacher is a beast, but, Bas freaking Rutten?


"Your football is no good here, son."
 
2014-02-12 11:33:53 AM  

Teve Torbes: Finally, we can get that scene from Necessary Roughness in real life.


Kathy Ireland in the shower?
 
2014-02-12 11:36:01 AM  

vudukungfu: ok, I LOLed, subby,


never met a black belt in Tae Kwan Do that didn't have a black eye.


i've never sparred with a TKD'er that was useful outside of his side kick.
 
2014-02-12 11:36:46 AM  

rickythepenguin: machoprogrammer: Considering Brian Urlacher once almost picked a fight with Bas Rutten, they may want to teach them a martial art that doesn't completely suck.


no shiat?  Urlacher is a beast, but, Bas freaking Rutten?


"Your football is no good here, son."


Yep.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuERSRNKZXM

Urlacher would've been lucky to be able to breathe unassisted again
 
2014-02-12 11:37:25 AM  
Aren't defensive linemen supposed to keep their hands up?  also

RoyFokker'sGhost: Teve Torbes: Finally, we can get that scene from Necessary Roughness in real life.

Kathy Ireland in the shower?


One can only hope.
 
2014-02-12 11:49:41 AM  
Aqua Zumba.
 
2014-02-12 11:59:38 AM  
Tae Kwan Do is the best in its class?
 
2014-02-12 12:00:59 PM  

vudukungfu: ok, I LOLed, subby,


never met a black belt in Tae Kwan Do that didn't have a black eye.


I love Tae Kwon Do.  Its fun to watch.  Its like ballet with kicking like a little girl.
 
2014-02-12 12:07:55 PM  
So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?
 
2014-02-12 12:09:52 PM  
It's like they are looking for ways to give up more rushing yards next season. Jesus Christ man... how does an idea like this enter your brain? How does someone hear the idea, not fire you, and say, "Yeah... let's go with that."?

i43.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-12 12:10:08 PM  
Are we not saying 'Phrasing' anymore?
 
2014-02-12 12:18:40 PM  
As a Packers fan....please proceed Chicago
 
2014-02-12 12:21:37 PM  

Chris Ween: vudukungfu: ok, I LOLed, subby,


never met a black belt in Tae Kwan Do that didn't have a black eye.

I love Tae Kwon Do.  Its fun to watch.  Its like ballet with kicking like a little girl.


I have found it is not the art, but the dedication to it, that determines it's seriousness
/have only studied Kung Fu from a former monk and Kempo Karate from an American who lived 30 years in Japan, so your results may vary...
 
2014-02-12 12:26:12 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Judo is always a good choice, as is BJJ.  Karate is fine but try to avoid sport style.
 
2014-02-12 12:27:38 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Capoeira.
 
2014-02-12 12:30:47 PM  

eagles95: As a Packers fan....please proceed Chicago


You know as a Bears fan... it's really getting to that point now. It's like... there's no need to for Packer fans to say anything. The team provides enough embarrassment that further ridicule would be excessive. Even if some Packers fans did some good ol' rivalry trash talk, WTF can we say?
 
2014-02-12 12:32:45 PM  

Flappyhead: Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?

Judo is always a good choice, as is BJJ.  Karate is fine but try to avoid sport style.


Yeah, Karate can be functional and quite efficient if you use it right.  Look at Lyoto Machida, an MMA fighter who has a Karate background. He knocks people out and barely gets hit.
 
2014-02-12 12:33:35 PM  

Flappyhead: Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?

Judo is always a good choice, as is BJJ.  Karate is fine but try to avoid sport style.



I'd go with this. Karate-wise, see if you can find a small Goju-ryu dojo. It's not flashy, no big kicks, but if you have the right teacher, that stuff hurts. Especially with all the grabby-pully bits. All in all, it really varies on the one teaching the class. I've been fortunate enough to study under devoted practitioners, the kind that all they do all day is think about their respective arts. Based on experience, go with the smaller places. The other thing to consider is how hard your son is willing to train. If he just wants to learn self-defense, Krav may be an option, but if it he love it and makes it a lifetime endeavor, other may be better.
 
2014-02-12 12:41:03 PM  
Tae Bo is much more suited for football.

/Ain't life a biatch?
 
2014-02-12 12:43:32 PM  

Mind of the North Star: eagles95: As a Packers fan....please proceed Chicago

You know as a Bears fan... it's really getting to that point now. It's like... there's no need to for Packer fans to say anything. The team provides enough embarrassment that further ridicule would be excessive. Even if some Packers fans did some good ol' rivalry trash talk, WTF can we say?


FTA:

The Bears will be the ninth NFL team since 1992 team to use Kim's Taekwondo expertise in this manner.
Kim served as a pass rush consultant for the Kansas City Chiefs from 2010-12, according to his martial arts school's website. Bears general manager Phil Emery was the Chiefs' director of college scouting from 2009-11.
Chiefs three-time Pro Bowl defensive end Tamba Hali last May endorsed Kim with a tweet, proclaiming that NFL teams should be lining up to hire him.


The Chiefs defense single-handedly kept me alive in my Fark FFL this year. If a Pro Bowl defender from KC says this guy helped, then I'm all for it. I don't see why this gets the fail tag or scorn on fark [welcometofark.jpg]. The team is actually doing something to improve. It's not like they brought in Old Man Kiffin or something.
 
2014-02-12 12:45:06 PM  
In all seriousness, wouldn't TKD improve agility and conditioning a bit? I'm not a martial arts guy and have no dog in the fight, but it seems silly to poo poo this.
 
2014-02-12 12:48:39 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Regardless of which discipline you decide, pick a gym that teaches a healthy dose of ground fighting along with it.
 
2014-02-12 12:49:07 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Scholastic/Folkstyle wrestling.  Get 'em started early for the high school varsity team.
 
2014-02-12 12:56:25 PM  

skrame: Mind of the North Star: eagles95: As a Packers fan....please proceed Chicago

You know as a Bears fan... it's really getting to that point now. It's like... there's no need to for Packer fans to say anything. The team provides enough embarrassment that further ridicule would be excessive. Even if some Packers fans did some good ol' rivalry trash talk, WTF can we say?

FTA:

The Bears will be the ninth NFL team since 1992 team to use Kim's Taekwondo expertise in this manner.
Kim served as a pass rush consultant for the Kansas City Chiefs from 2010-12, according to his martial arts school's website. Bears general manager Phil Emery was the Chiefs' director of college scouting from 2009-11.
Chiefs three-time Pro Bowl defensive end Tamba Hali last May endorsed Kim with a tweet, proclaiming that NFL teams should be lining up to hire him.

The Chiefs defense single-handedly kept me alive in my Fark FFL this year. If a Pro Bowl defender from KC says this guy helped, then I'm all for it. I don't see why this gets the fail tag or scorn on fark [welcometofark.jpg]. The team is actually doing something to improve. It's not like they brought in Old Man Kiffin or something.


This.  The guy has a better NFL resume than some coaches and isn't staying in via nepotism like a lot of them are.  If he didn't know anything about what he was doing, he probably wouldn't still be getting interest from teams.
 
2014-02-12 12:56:43 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is good for ground-based attacks. Most people do the exact opposite of what you should do when fighting on the ground. The only draw back is if the bully has friends, you really don't want to be on the ground. Plus, you have to get them to the ground, too. However, if the bully was on top and punching, it would be really good.

Muay Thai or boxing would be the best realistic striking-based art and would probably be the way to go. Finding a place that will teach kids that stuff isn't always the easiest, though. Especially one that would teach knees and elbows to a kid.

Best self defense is probably Jeet Kun Do. It is more "street" self defense, though, but he would learn grappling and striking and the best way to do it in a self defense aspect. Krav Maga, with a real instructor, is great, too. But most Krav Maga schools really, really suck.
 
2014-02-12 12:57:59 PM  
Lots of feedback.  It's appreciated.  One of our new neighbors teaches... though I'm not sure which discipline he works in.  The cutlet is only just over two, but I figure I'd be best to start him within the next few years.  Sorry for the semi-threadjack.
 
2014-02-12 01:00:43 PM  

Mind of the North Star: eagles95: As a Packers fan....please proceed Chicago

You know as a Bears fan... it's really getting to that point now. It's like... there's no need to for Packer fans to say anything. The team provides enough embarrassment that further ridicule would be excessive. Even if some Packers fans did some good ol' rivalry trash talk, WTF can we say?


Thing is...I really do respect the Bears. At least you have won a Superb Owl. Plus your history of players and coaches is something I can respect. Now if the Lions hired this guy....
 
2014-02-12 01:19:00 PM  

Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?


Muy Thai
 
2014-02-12 01:20:20 PM  

R1mbaud: Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?

Muy Thai


with an 'a' (Muay)

/coffee
 
2014-02-12 01:28:50 PM  
I took TKD when I was a kid, and based on my experience I am really surprised to see people all over the internet shiatting on it. We did learn a variety of kicks but spent just as much time going over blocks/strikes and had roughly one out of every 4 classes dedicated to judo. Maybe we had a "liberal" TKD school/instructor? I don't know...never taken it anywhere else.
 
2014-02-12 01:35:07 PM  

rjakobi: iron_city_ap: R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.

I always figured Tai Chi would be more helpful in shedding blockers.

No, that's aikido, where your defense is the offense.


I thought an aikido was one of them little yippy dogs you could punt about 20 yards.
 
2014-02-12 01:35:26 PM  

R1mbaud: Meatschool: So somewhat serious question... If I wanted to enroll my boy in a martial arts class so he could defend himself against a bully or something, what would Fark's recommendation be?

Muy Thai


or an MMA gym.  He could have multiple disciplines available to learn and could focus on whichever he likes the most, including Muay Thai
 
2014-02-12 01:37:34 PM  

TheSup3rN0va: I took TKD when I was a kid, and based on my experience I am really surprised to see people all over the internet shiatting on it. We did learn a variety of kicks but spent just as much time going over blocks/strikes and had roughly one out of every 4 classes dedicated to judo. Maybe we had a "liberal" TKD school/instructor? I don't know...never taken it anywhere else.


Sounds like he was well-balanced. Truth be told, there is no ONE perfect fighting system. To add onto the BJJ comment upthread, they've taken judo's ground fighting and further developed it. The problem with "bring it to the ground" is the assumption of fighting one-on-one. That rarely happens. What generally does happen is you get your immediate opponent on the ground in a submission, but then you can't complete the submission as his buddies are raining blows down upon your head and various squishy bits. Tends to ruin one's day. On the obverse, not being comfortable with your back on the ground is just as bad. Knowing how to throw powerful blows is great if they connect. If they don't arts like aiki-type or grappling arts will look at that blow and say "that's the direction you want to go? Eh, ok" and allow you to go in that direction, just not the way you were planning on. Then you end up on your back or face, and see the comment about raining blows. A good teacher will be comfortable in all aspects, and will teach all aspects, but will have a different operating system/set of principles they focus on.
 
2014-02-12 01:39:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.

I always figured Tai Chi would be more helpful in shedding blockers.


Or blocking. It's all about footwork and knowing which leg carries the weight. Then using simple movements to channel your body weight around.

/learned the simplified set of 24 moves a few years ago
//forgotten much of it since
 
2014-02-12 01:42:54 PM  

Meatschool: Lots of feedback.  It's appreciated.  One of our new neighbors teaches... though I'm not sure which discipline he works in.  The cutlet is only just over two, but I figure I'd be best to start him within the next few years.  Sorry for the semi-threadjack.


I'd suggest Tai Chi for the young'un as it teaches many fundamentals of the other martial arts.
 
2014-02-12 01:57:19 PM  

Mind of the North Star: It's like they are looking for ways to give up more rushing yards next season. Jesus Christ man... how does an idea like this enter your brain? How does someone hear the idea, not fire you, and say, "Yeah... let's go with that."?


It's like you didn't even read the article.
 
2014-02-12 02:14:25 PM  

Dog Welder: rjakobi: iron_city_ap: R1mbaud: I would think judo might be more effective for linemen.

I always figured Tai Chi would be more helpful in shedding blockers.

No, that's aikido, where your defense is the offense.

I thought an aikido was one of them little yippy dogs you could punt about 20 yards.


No, that's hapkido.
 
2014-02-12 03:08:52 PM  
The most effective martial art is the one that lets you avoid getting cold-cocked / able to deliver a quick, stunning blow, and then get the fark out of dodge.
 
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