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2014-02-12 11:31:03 AM
Why don't women put on their own hackathons?
 
2014-02-12 11:33:34 AM

baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?


Why don't you shower?
 
2014-02-12 11:33:57 AM
I thought you wanted to be treated equally.  Now you're demanding special food and lifestyle changes.  Make up your mind!
 
2014-02-12 11:34:09 AM
www.wnd.com

what a co-ed shower at a hackathon would end up looking like
 
2014-02-12 11:39:09 AM
Or... OR... women can get over the practice of nit-picking every single problem they have with mostly-male institutions and stop demanding they be fixed in the name of inclusiveness.

Sexual assault, harassment, and discrimination are over the line for obvious reasons. However, as men, we don't make up these things that we enjoy simply to have someone come in and try to change everything about it.
 
2014-02-12 11:41:55 AM

Marine1: Or... OR... women can get over the practice of nit-picking every single problem they have with mostly-male institutions and stop demanding they be fixed in the name of inclusiveness.

Sexual assault, harassment, and discrimination are over the line for obvious reasons. However, as men, we don't make up these things that we enjoy simply to have someone come in and try to change everything about it.


Or...or...OR....you could shut up and take a damn shower.
 
2014-02-12 11:42:54 AM

baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?


They do and neckbeards like yourself complain that it's sexist to have a women-only hackathon.
 
2014-02-12 11:45:42 AM

Aexia: baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?

They do and neckbeards like yourself complain that it's sexist to have a women-only hackathon.


So?
 
2014-02-12 11:47:05 AM
they always talk about wanting to have a good time with the bros, just wanting to bro out and play some xbox, yet women always complain when i grope them
 
2014-02-12 11:51:01 AM
I don't get why a hackathon has to be a physical collection of people at one location.

Indeed, I'm willing to bet that epic, distributed hack sessions take place daily, we just don't call them hackathons.  The Linux kernel is a prime example - one big, constant hackathon.

As a male programmer, I don't see any attraction to packing up my laptop and traveling to some hacking gathering when I can get shiat done while wearing only my boxer briefs, a t-shirt and a three day growth of beard.
 
2014-02-12 11:51:19 AM

verbaltoxin: Marine1: Or... OR... women can get over the practice of nit-picking every single problem they have with mostly-male institutions and stop demanding they be fixed in the name of inclusiveness.

Sexual assault, harassment, and discrimination are over the line for obvious reasons. However, as men, we don't make up these things that we enjoy simply to have someone come in and try to change everything about it.

Or...or...OR....you could shut up and take a damn shower.


Where does the "nerds never shower" stereotype even come from?

You can't have the stereotype of Sheldon Cooper and that stereotype apply at once.
 
2014-02-12 11:55:05 AM
I like how the reasons women why women don't attend hackathons starts with "Getting treated differently than men"and the solutions section of the article mentions  "Amy Quispe, who works at Google and ran hackathons while a student at Carnegie Mellon University,  makes them feel more explicitly welcome at your event. "

There really is no making people happy.
 
2014-02-12 11:56:14 AM

Marine1: Where does the "nerds never shower" stereotype even come from?


From the legions of neckbeards with horrible body odor.
 
2014-02-12 11:56:40 AM

Marine1: There really is no making people happy.


That's a totally true statement, but it hardly means the current situation is ideal.
 
2014-02-12 12:08:34 PM
Google will at least accommodate with any food issue you may have.  So they have that going for them.  Which is nice.
 
2014-02-12 12:08:58 PM

Marine1: I like how the reasons women why women don't attend hackathons starts with "Getting treated differently than men"and the solutions section of the article mentions  "Amy Quispe, who works at Google and ran hackathons while a student at Carnegie Mellon University,  makes them feel more explicitly welcome at your event. "

There really is no making people happy.


Being welcomed is a good because it is explicitly a change of pace for women at these events. Women have come to expect being treated like eye candy where men come over to "ask them if they need help" (translated: want some dick?) while the woman is perfectly capable to produce the code without help. It gets insulting pretty fast when every guy in the room comes by in the course of an hour or two to ask if she needs anything (dick), help (dick), cup of coffee (dick), Cheetos (dick), etc (dick). Not counting repeats the woman ends up with a queue of men hoping to talk to her when all she really wants to do is work on her code.
 
2014-02-12 12:09:23 PM

Aexia: Marine1: Where does the "nerds never shower" stereotype even come from?

From the legions of neckbeards with horrible body odor.


I hate to say it because I am a woman who attends a lot of hackathons, user group meetings, hackerspaces, etc., but there are guys at these things who seem to be oblivious to their own odor. I don't even think it's necessarily a lack of showering. I think it's that no one every told them that deodorant is not optional.

That said, I also don't think that there needs to be separate registration for women, etc. If you want to go, go. Yes, some nerds will stare at you, but if you are there, you are also a nerd. Deal with it.
 
2014-02-12 12:18:14 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I think it's that no one every told them that deodorant is not optional.


Ah, Europe in the spring.
 
2014-02-12 12:22:22 PM

ikanreed: CheetahOlivetti: I think it's that no one every told them that deodorant is not optional.

Ah, Europe in the spring.


So you've been to FOSDEM?  ;)
 
2014-02-12 12:44:40 PM

Elfich: Marine1: I like how the reasons women why women don't attend hackathons starts with "Getting treated differently than men"and the solutions section of the article mentions  "Amy Quispe, who works at Google and ran hackathons while a student at Carnegie Mellon University,  makes them feel more explicitly welcome at your event. "

There really is no making people happy.

Being welcomed is a good because it is explicitly a change of pace for women at these events. Women have come to expect being treated like eye candy where men come over to "ask them if they need help" (translated: want some dick?) while the woman is perfectly capable to produce the code without help. It gets insulting pretty fast when every guy in the room comes by in the course of an hour or two to ask if she needs anything (dick), help (dick), cup of coffee (dick), Cheetos (dick), etc (dick). Not counting repeats the woman ends up with a queue of men hoping to talk to her when all she really wants to do is work on her code.


Okay, then. She can tell all of the guys who are treating her like a fleshlight-in-potentia to fark off. That should do it.

I actually got into the "hackspace" culture through a female grad student that I work in a lab with at my university. She didn't get into it because of some women-only or special treatment system. She got into it by working her ass off to study coding and computers. Any insult or crass statement that I would normally reserve in front of women doesn't get held back with her, because not only can she roll with it, she can occasionally out-do it.

If women want to roll in the "boy's club", then they'll have to roll in the boy's club.
 
2014-02-12 12:45:12 PM

Aexia: Marine1: Where does the "nerds never shower" stereotype even come from?

From the legions of neckbeards with horrible body odor.


It comes from unfortunate reality.  The wife and I and a few friends went to Otakon this past year for the first time in several years.  In the brochure or whatever, there is specific mention that you need to shower ever day, and there are even signs posted that remind you to not stink.  They're pretty funny until you're walking along and you catch a gust of stink.  It's usually too crowded to tell who or where it's coming from.  I'm not sure why people can't manage it.  Hell, my one buddy slept in his truck and he still managed to bathe himself.
 
2014-02-12 12:51:00 PM
They'll just complain about penis jokes and get people fired.
 
2014-02-12 12:53:00 PM

Marine1: fixed in the name of inclusiveness


Or you could try starting from the original postulate instead of just making up your own irrelevant side rant.

YOU want more women to attend. Which entails that YOU change because YOUR event is not attracting the crowd of people YOU want.

If you don't care if women attend your sausage fest and you just want to play grab-ass with a bunch of misogynistic neckbeards, fine, but that's not the topic of discussion here.
 
2014-02-12 12:55:23 PM

Marine1: If women want to roll in the "boy's club", then they'll have to roll in the boy's club.


Many complaints about wanting to be treated like everyone else come from being treated like everyone else.  There's a quote from the movie Heathers that situations like this reminds me of:

"When teenagers complain that they want to be treated like human beings, it's usually because they are being treated like human beings."

//Substitute 'female coders' for 'teenagers' and 'everybody else' for 'human beings'.
 
2014-02-12 01:02:12 PM

baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?


Cuz they have no dongles to fork with.
 
2014-02-12 01:07:06 PM

Marine1: ... harassment... [is] over the line for obvious reasons.


Marine1: She can tell all of the guys who are treating her like a fleshlight-in-potentia to fark off. That should do it... If women want to roll in the "boy's club", then they'll have to roll in the boy's club.


Well, which is it, then? Harassment is over the line, or harassment is just boys-being-boys and she should "roll with it" and "occasionally out-do it"?
 
2014-02-12 01:11:12 PM
Marine1:
Okay, then. She can tell all of the guys who are treating her like a fleshlight-in-potentia to fark off. That should do it.

I actually got into the "hackspace" culture through a female grad student that I work in a lab with at my university. She didn't get into it because of some women-only or special treatment system. She got into it by working her ass off to study coding and computers. Any insult or crass statement that I would normally reserve in front of women doesn't get held back with her, because not only can she roll with it, she can occasionally out-do it.

If women want to roll in the "boy's club", then they'll have to roll in the boy's club.


The problem is all about perception:
If a woman is assertive (or tells the flesh-light crowd off) she's a biatch, if she keeps her mouth shut she's meek, if she has her own opinion she is combative. So no matter what she does is wrong and she is in a catch-22 of not being able to be perceived as a contributing member of the team. It is endemic to the engineering culture in general.

Graduate schools are somewhat shielded from the harsh realities that woman are treated as second class citizens. Everyone there had be accepted into the program and has to be able to keep up in order to stay.

A random hackathon where people just wander in off the street? Woman get treated like meat until they can prove themselves. But until she proves herself she is subjected to an unending parade of men asking if she wants dick. If the "boys club" culture involves treating women like crap are you surprised that women steer wide of that mess?

Ask your grad school friend how many times she has been casually hit on at the maker-space/hackathons she attends.
 
2014-02-12 01:12:16 PM
First set of quotes: "Hackathons suck because we aren't treated exactly the same as men"

All following quotes: "We don't like what men like. Treat us differently, please."

But the worst sin of all is that there is no article here. This is clickbait, and these days any feminist/nerd article wins clicks. But because the people writing these articles having nothing, they are ruining real feminism and what it could be. They are making it worse for women who end up looking like delicate flowers who want special treatment, and worse for men who assume feminism is all bullshiat.

And even worse for 'real' feminists, because they can't be seen saying "this is bullshiat and not real feminism," and because they won't do that, they lose credibility. Like whispering to your gay friend "hey buddy, I know all my Catholic friends are calling you f----- and punching your face right now, but I want you to know I don't think that way. I'm not going to do anything about it because then I might lose a few friends, but just so YOU know, I'm really a good person."
 
2014-02-12 01:17:29 PM

Elfich: If a woman is assertive (or tells the flesh-light crowd off) she's a biatch, if she keeps her mouth shut she's meek, if she has her own opinion she is combative. So no matter what she does is wrong and she is in a catch-22 of not being able to be perceived as a contributing member of the team. It is endemic to the engineering culture in general.


If the guys at said event talk to a woman they are hitting on her and are harassing her.  If they don't talk to her they are ignoring her.  No matter what they do is wrong and they are seen either as date rapists or dweebs that can't talk to women.

//See how that works?
 
2014-02-12 01:18:45 PM
i don't mind if this is a legit issue that needs to be addressed. what i don't get is why you would write an article with obviously contradictory information. do the ladies want to be treated the same as men, or do they need to be specifically enticed to attend and have the events changed to accomodate them? the article says both??
 
2014-02-12 01:20:18 PM

quo vadimus: But because the people writing these articles having nothing, they are ruining real feminism and what it could be.


i235.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-12 01:25:09 PM

Elfich: Marine1: I like how the reasons women why women don't attend hackathons starts with "Getting treated differently than men"and the solutions section of the article mentions  "Amy Quispe, who works at Google and ran hackathons while a student at Carnegie Mellon University,  makes them feel more explicitly welcome at your event. "

There really is no making people happy.

Being welcomed is a good because it is explicitly a change of pace for women at these events. Women have come to expect being treated like eye candy where men come over to "ask them if they need help" (translated: want some dick?) while the woman is perfectly capable to produce the code without help. It gets insulting pretty fast when every guy in the room comes by in the course of an hour or two to ask if she needs anything (dick), help (dick), cup of coffee (dick), Cheetos (dick), etc (dick). Not counting repeats the woman ends up with a queue of men hoping to talk to her when all she really wants to do is work on her code.


Oh please, if anything it's less traumatic than dealing with a bunch of women with no men around. There's an old not joke: 'Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other.'

The meanest put downs, the most absolutely cruel, and most vile, statements I've heard about women in person come from, wait for it, other women. Women love to destroy other women: so and so is a cum dumpster, god she wears so much makeup to fake looking pretty, little harlot should wear a longer skirt, look at her flashing her boobs for every guy, blah blah blah. Those are the TAME statements from other women about women. They never stop either, the clique might change a little, but it never stops. Sister, there isn't a sisterhood.

Oh and a lot of those guys, scarily enough to the girls at hackathons, have real living girlfriends. Many of them are even hotter than you are, because dating nerds is 'cool' today. Heck I managed to pull it off years ago, but I was a nerd that flew airplanes and climbed mountains, and rode a motorcycle.

This reminds me so much of the self pity gals I used to work with. Woe is them, they are beholden to those horrible men, but gossip incessantly and try to date the same guys they're biatching about.

3 years of electronics testing (next to QA, which was almost all women) and a couple years sitting next to service desk that was all women. The stuff I heard women say would make you think your ears were burning. Somehow HR never gave a shiat.

Of course if I uttered the tamer stuff, I'd have been written up.
 
2014-02-12 01:25:50 PM

skozlaw: Marine1: fixed in the name of inclusiveness

Or you could try starting from the original postulate instead of just making up your own irrelevant side rant.

YOU want more women to attend. Which entails that YOU change because YOUR event is not attracting the crowd of people YOU want.

If you don't care if women attend your sausage fest and you just want to play grab-ass with a bunch of misogynistic neckbeards, fine, but that's not the topic of discussion here.


I don't want anyone attending that can't keep up. 

Man or woman.

Which brings me back to my argument: if you want to roll in the boy's club, you'll have to roll in the boy's club.
 
2014-02-12 01:28:34 PM

verbaltoxin: baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?

Why don't you shower?


Because that takes time.  Especially during a 48 hour hackathon.  You don't have time.  You MIGHT fall asleep in your chair, but that's not by choice (Your choice is to be drugged up on caffeine pills).  Deliberately taking time out for eating and showering is for fools.

Now of course, you sleep/eat/shower before and after, but during?  Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder.

Seriously.  I had 2 jobs and 4 EECS classes.  When crunch time hits, it very, very rapidly becomes a question of "Ok, I can get 5 hours of sleep, or I can shower and get 4.5 hours of sleep."  And then towards the end, you haven't done laundry, partly because you're broke and have parents who you're going home to in a week, and mostly because of the same timing issues.  Which means that any showering you do gets completely wasted because you're coming back and sitting in the sheets that you haven't done in a month because midterms sucked, and you're STILL trying to catch up from the completely non-productive week.  (And since the heat in the dorms is broken more often than not, and in my case, I had a desktop computer dumping 800W into a 800 cubic foot room which made my room about 10 degrees hotter than all the surrounding ones, they get soaked after one night).

/Heck, you could tell just how busy I was at any given time by the length of my beard.  If I had time, I shaved.  If not, I didn't.
//Mind you, I worked like that then so I don't HAVE to do any stupid stuff like this now.  If you need A all-nighter or late night, give me some warning.  If you need LOTS of them, fark you.
 
2014-02-12 01:36:02 PM

tlchwi02: i don't mind if this is a legit issue that needs to be addressed. what i don't get is why you would write an article with obviously contradictory information. do the ladies want to be treated the same as men, or do they need to be specifically enticed to attend and have the events changed to accomodate them? the article says both??


If men treated women like we treated other men, we'd all be in jail.

/at my last job, on my birthday, my coding buddies held me down and proceeded to fart in my face
 
2014-02-12 01:37:22 PM

Elfich: Marine1:
Okay, then. She can tell all of the guys who are treating her like a fleshlight-in-potentia to fark off. That should do it.

I actually got into the "hackspace" culture through a female grad student that I work in a lab with at my university. She didn't get into it because of some women-only or special treatment system. She got into it by working her ass off to study coding and computers. Any insult or crass statement that I would normally reserve in front of women doesn't get held back with her, because not only can she roll with it, she can occasionally out-do it.

If women want to roll in the "boy's club", then they'll have to roll in the boy's club.

The problem is all about perception:
If a woman is assertive (or tells the flesh-light crowd off) she's a biatch, if she keeps her mouth shut she's meek, if she has her own opinion she is combative. So no matter what she does is wrong and she is in a catch-22 of not being able to be perceived as a contributing member of the team. It is endemic to the engineering culture in general.

Graduate schools are somewhat shielded from the harsh realities that woman are treated as second class citizens. Everyone there had be accepted into the program and has to be able to keep up in order to stay.

A random hackathon where people just wander in off the street? Woman get treated like meat until they can prove themselves. But until she proves herself she is subjected to an unending parade of men asking if she wants dick. If the "boys club" culture involves treating women like crap are you surprised that women steer wide of that mess?

Ask your grad school friend how many times she has been casually hit on at the maker-space/hackathons she attends.


Of course she gets hit on. Men are genetically programmed to search for females that they find attractive. It's why you and I are sitting here.

Which is why they should tell the creeps to fark off.
 
2014-02-12 01:38:46 PM
mjbok:

If the guys at said event talk to a woman they are hitting on her and are harassing her.  If they don't talk to her they are ignoring her.  No matter what they do is wrong and they are seen either as date rapists or dweebs that can't talk to women.

//See how that works?


You are perfectly correct. No objection to your statement at all.
 
2014-02-12 01:39:45 PM

baconbeard: tlchwi02: i don't mind if this is a legit issue that needs to be addressed. what i don't get is why you would write an article with obviously contradictory information. do the ladies want to be treated the same as men, or do they need to be specifically enticed to attend and have the events changed to accomodate them? the article says both??

If men treated women like we treated other men, we'd all be in jail.

/at my last job, on my birthday, my coding buddies held me down and proceeded to fart in my face


You should synchronize your arguments with Marine1. You appear to both be on the same side, but he said that things like that would be "over the line".
 
2014-02-12 01:42:12 PM

Theaetetus: baconbeard: tlchwi02: i don't mind if this is a legit issue that needs to be addressed. what i don't get is why you would write an article with obviously contradictory information. do the ladies want to be treated the same as men, or do they need to be specifically enticed to attend and have the events changed to accomodate them? the article says both??

If men treated women like we treated other men, we'd all be in jail.

/at my last job, on my birthday, my coding buddies held me down and proceeded to fart in my face

You should synchronize your arguments with Marine1. You appear to both be on the same side, but he said that things like that would be "over the line".


In a professional environment? Yeah. Actually, I wouldn't do that to the guys I hang out with, either.
 
2014-02-12 01:43:08 PM

Elfich: mjbok:

If the guys at said event talk to a woman they are hitting on her and are harassing her.  If they don't talk to her they are ignoring her.  No matter what they do is wrong and they are seen either as date rapists or dweebs that can't talk to women.

//See how that works?

You are perfectly correct. No objection to your statement at all.


The other part to it is the creepiness of a guy is directly related to how a guy looks.  If Harry Knowles and Brad Pitt took the same approach to a woman that they didn't know (assuming they weren't famous), one would be creepy, one would be cute or persistent.
 
2014-02-12 01:49:00 PM
Let me boil this down short and sweet:

Young immature men that don't interact with women a lot don't have a culture that does not emphasize items that woman desire (heavy bro culture). Suddenly they are thrust into a situation where there is a "single" woman, the young men don't understand why the woman does not want to deal with them with a ten foot pole.

Woman have been taught to be nice so being assertive is perceived as bad. This is cannon fodder for other women cutting each other behind each other's back- ie "she's a biatch".

Men: Keep you dick in your pants and keep it there unless invited otherwise.
Woman: Learn how to say Yes and No without fearing that someone is going to dislike you for voicing your opinion.
 
2014-02-12 01:58:37 PM
On one hand, men need to grow the fark up and that any man assaulting, harassing, bullying, or otherwise treating women as anything other that fellow human beings worthy of respect should be swiftly and severely punished and/or ostracized from the "community".

On the other hand, women need to put on their big girl panties and stop regarding every bit of "non-ideal" behaviour, (dongle jokes, body odour, socially awkward comments, "poor food", etc.) as an attempt to assault, harass, bully, or otherwise treat them as something other than fellow human beings worthy of respect.

We can resolve almost any problem if we just drop the bullshiat "us vs them" mentality that is so prevalent on both sides of any issue.
 
2014-02-12 02:00:45 PM

Theaetetus: quo vadimus: But because the people writing these articles having nothing, they are ruining real feminism and what it could be.

[i235.photobucket.com image 240x240]


Really? Not sure how this is trolling. Sorry you feel that way, anyway.
 
2014-02-12 02:02:09 PM

baconbeard: tlchwi02: i don't mind if this is a legit issue that needs to be addressed. what i don't get is why you would write an article with obviously contradictory information. do the ladies want to be treated the same as men, or do they need to be specifically enticed to attend and have the events changed to accomodate them? the article says both??

If men treated women like we treated other men, we'd all be in jail.

/at my last job, on my birthday, my coding buddies held me down and proceeded to fart in my face


sometimes i think women don't understand what being treated the same means.
 
2014-02-12 02:07:16 PM

tlchwi02: sometimes i think women don't understand what being treated the same means.


i should clarify- they say they want to be treated the same, but i think what they really mean/want is to be treated with the same overall respect, but within a female framework.
 
2014-02-12 02:21:25 PM
The number of conditions the article suggests would create a situation that would be inefficient from the male perspective.  What I think the article really suggests is that men and women should have separate meetings.  Rather than "change everything", they should really just start their own conferences
 
2014-02-12 02:36:02 PM

comslave: The number of conditions the article suggests would create a situation that would be inefficient from the male perspective.  What I think the article really suggests is that men and women should have separate meetings.  Rather than "change everything", they should really just start their own conferences


That's what I suggested and I got called a neckbeard with poor personal hygiene.
 
2014-02-12 02:50:26 PM

baconbeard: comslave: The number of conditions the article suggests would create a situation that would be inefficient from the male perspective.  What I think the article really suggests is that men and women should have separate meetings.  Rather than "change everything", they should really just start their own conferences

That's what I suggested and I got called a neckbeard with poor personal hygiene.


To be fair your username references a beard that potentially has food in it.
 
2014-02-12 03:13:41 PM

Elfich: Let me boil this down short and sweet:

Young immature men that don't interact with women a lot don't have a culture that does not emphasize items that woman desire (heavy bro culture). Suddenly they are thrust into a situation where there is a "single" woman, the young men don't understand why the woman does not want to deal with them with a ten foot pole.

Woman have been taught to be nice so being assertive is perceived as bad. This is cannon fodder for other women cutting each other behind each other's back- ie "she's a biatch".

Men: Keep you dick in your pants and keep it there unless invited otherwise.
Woman: Learn how to say Yes and No without fearing that someone is going to dislike you for voicing your opinion.


Let me boil it down shorter but more sour to women:

Young men who don't give a fark about your gender at the hackathon (regardless of what you think) don't like to change the way they are.

Young women, used to being put on a pedestal by men, assume everything is about the lukewarm hole in their crotch. (or mouth)

Young women assume that everything follows that, and that colors all of their interactions with these young men.

In 5 years the former young women here will be biatching about the new young woman in the next cube with the v-neck exposing her boobs.

Young men, when a woman acts offended, assume she's thinking of everything you say in a sexual manner and avoid her like she has AIDS..

/just saying
//seen it too many times in my life
///women are more vile to women far more often than men to women
 
2014-02-12 04:05:41 PM

Aexia: baconbeard: Why don't women put on their own hackathons?

They do and neckbeards like yourself complain that it's sexist to have a women-only hackathon.


No one ever complained that there were women only hackathons.
I've have never in my 36 years of life heard a man (as in singular) say that a women's only anything was discrimination against men, or that we wanted to be there. Not once! Ever!

Matter of fact when a man hears there might be a women's only whatever, the response is usually "Good".
 
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