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(Al Jazeera)   World may never know how many people are actually killed by American drone strikes because researchers trying to investigate them are getting mysterious phone messages theatening them with death for doing it   (aljazeera.com) divider line 175
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-12 10:24:06 AM  
Is Greenwald still alive?  If someone was going to kill uppity reporters then he would be first.
 
2014-02-12 10:26:46 AM  
Well, we wouldn't want any Americans to fell uncomfortable about what we are doing overseas.
 
2014-02-12 10:41:00 AM  
If anyone should get twitchy about drone strikes it would be Al-Jazeera.
 
2014-02-12 11:22:22 AM  
Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.
 
2014-02-12 11:29:34 AM  
You could have warned me about the picture of men covered in jelly
 
2014-02-12 11:42:38 AM  
www.desiglitters.com
 
2014-02-12 11:43:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.



I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.
 
2014-02-12 11:44:00 AM  
oh boy this thread again
 
2014-02-12 11:45:01 AM  
One, two, three,
 
2014-02-12 11:45:35 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


Sure! Use of your product directly creating more demand for your product is highly desirable from a business standpoint.
 
2014-02-12 11:45:55 AM  
boo farking hoo
 
2014-02-12 11:46:52 AM  

BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.


If you were a defense contractor why WOULDN'T you want to create more terrorists?
 
2014-02-12 11:46:56 AM  

vpb: Is Greenwald still alive?  If someone was going to kill uppity reporters then he would be first.

 Greenwald's just a couple years away from having a state-sponsored talk show in Russia.
 
2014-02-12 11:47:12 AM  
What type of researchers are they? Do they hunt the squatch too?
 
2014-02-12 11:48:08 AM  

BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.


Some people can... in fact someone was arguing yesterday in a thread that the drone strikes did not produce any new terrorists, they only got rid of existing terrorists.
 
2014-02-12 11:48:52 AM  
It's the terrorists making the phone calls. They make up a "wedding party hit by drone strike" story in place of "terrorist camp hit by drone strike story" and inflate the number of people killed to get sympathy and swell their ranks. They know that the general public doesn't bother to actually do any research and believes what they are fed. If any journalist worth anything pokes around, the truth will be exposed.

Why no, I didn't RTFA.

*adjusts tinfoil*

USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-02-12 11:49:37 AM  
Aaww, fer crying out loud, quityerbiaching.
You will get your own drones over your suburban heads soon enough.

/predict this problem will be solved when we cure the problem of two false flag political parties, not before
 
2014-02-12 11:49:50 AM  
How much do you want to bet those voice messages have a Pakistani accent. Pakistan wants U.S. drones taking out rebels more than anyone on the planet, and they do this sort of stuff all the time. They just "disappeared" a high-profile activist in their own country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26150394
 
2014-02-12 11:50:07 AM  

LarryDan43: What type of researchers are they? Do they hunt the squatch too?


It's explained in the article, but you might run into some unpleasant photos of what your drone strikes are doing.
 
2014-02-12 11:50:24 AM  
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2014-02-12 11:51:28 AM  

zarberg: BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.

If you were a defense contractor why WOULDN'T you want to create more terrorists?


Duhh!
Where do these people grow up? Under rocks?
 
2014-02-12 11:51:54 AM  
upl.co
 
2014-02-12 11:52:34 AM  

zarberg: BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.

If you were a defense contractor why WOULDN'T you want to create more terrorists?


Because defense contractors work at the Pentagon.

/missed losing two colleagues by 10 minutes
 
2014-02-12 11:53:13 AM  
The United States does shiatty and illegal things.  More at 11!
 
2014-02-12 11:53:16 AM  
"The fact that the Yemeni parliament has just passed a resolution banning drones in Yemeni airspace, and that the has criminalised the use of drones for extrajudicial killing, demonstrates that a national consensus has been reached that these brutal and unlawful attacks are unacceptable," Shiban said.

So let me get this straight, we're "helping" the Yemenis with their slow-burn civil war, and they don't even want us there? What the fark is the administration doing? Idiots.

If they're so worried about Yemeni terrorists, I have a solution: Bar all Yemenis other than government officials from entering the country. Problem solved, and we don't need to blow up wedding convoys.
 
2014-02-12 11:53:48 AM  

OnlyM3: [upl.co image 660x513]


Just proves the theory of Parallel Universes.
 
2014-02-12 11:55:27 AM  

Need_MindBleach: "The fact that the Yemeni parliament has just passed a resolution banning drones in Yemeni airspace, and that the has criminalised the use of drones for extrajudicial killing, demonstrates that a national consensus has been reached that these brutal and unlawful attacks are unacceptable," Shiban said.

So let me get this straight, we're "helping" the Yemenis with their slow-burn civil war, and they don't even want us there? What the fark is the administration doing? Idiots.

If they're so worried about Yemeni terrorists, I have a solution: Bar all Yemenis other than government officials from entering the country. Problem solved, and we don't need to blow up wedding convoys.


Dude! The CIA has been "helping" with every "civil war" on planet since 1950.
Business as usual.

/strictly business, nothing personal
 
2014-02-12 11:55:45 AM  
the drivers halted the vehicles when they heard an aircraft approach.

If you heard it, it wasn't a US drone. Might enplane the death threat for investigating.
 
2014-02-12 11:58:06 AM  
I wonder who made the call.

pearlsofprofundity.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-12 11:59:56 AM  

OnlyM3: [upl.co image 660x513]


Here's something that everyone can agree with, except for possible democrat party shills.

Please note: DEMOCRAT =/= liberal.

Thank you!
 
2014-02-12 12:03:37 PM  

Gordon Bennett: I wonder who made the call.


stuartreviewsstuff.files.wordpress.com

It's me Obama! It was me all along, Obama!
 
2014-02-12 12:04:39 PM  

machoprogrammer: Gordon Bennett: I wonder who made the call.

[stuartreviewsstuff.files.wordpress.com image 850x576]

It's me Obama! It was me all along, Obama!


I've got the brass to drone strike your ass!

/Linda.... I WANT A DIVORCE!
 
2014-02-12 12:04:40 PM  
had the [OBVIOUS] tag already been hit with a cruise missile?
 
2014-02-12 12:08:42 PM  
Do the drone strikes create more terrorists than conventional strikes?  In other words, if there is a target we decide we need to eliminate, would the drone strike or conventional strike have more collateral damage and subsequent blowback.  Apparently, it seems that the drone strikes result in less collateral damage and blowback, so as far as the method of killing our targets, drone strikes are preferable to conventional strikes.

That said, I have major issues with both the process of targeting individuals, and the assumption that killing these targets in necessary.  We should just get the hell out of there and not look back.
 
2014-02-12 12:10:46 PM  

OnlyM3:


Hmm, every US President ever has been a liar, hypocrite, spy, and killer by proxy*, Obama is no different in that regard. That said, it's not like he set up the NSA or their program. He's not "to blame" for their massive snooping program, and while I suppose he could have tried to shut it all down when he took office, I suspect even a President isn't that powerful.

* as are most other national leaders
 
2014-02-12 12:12:01 PM  
Apparently the American intelligence community has picked up the traditional barbaric method of not only killing the father but also his beloved son. This has occurred in US drone attacks in Sudan.

The next step is probably going to be killing the father's son first so the father suffer the torture of having his son murdered and then killing the father.

I'm wondering when  American drones will be fitted with instruments for skinning people alive or castrating them and making them eat their own penis or boiling them in oil. Only then will we as a nation have progressed to the level of enlightened, freedom loving, tolerant intellectuals.
 
2014-02-12 12:13:23 PM  

MattStafford: Do the drone strikes create more terrorists than conventional strikes? In other words, if there is a target we decide we need to eliminate, would the drone strike or conventional strike have more collateral damage and subsequent blowback.


question's a bit more complicated than that - if you strike a capable, intelligent, connected turrist and that inspires four idiot teenagers to sign up, it could create 'more' turrists but reduce overall capability of the network to strike

that's particularly relevant to organizations that use cell structures

there's very little about the idea of asymmetrical warfare against non-state actors that can have much of history applied to it
 
2014-02-12 12:15:17 PM  

qorkfiend: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.

Sure! Use of your product directly creating more demand for your product is highly desirable from a business standpoint.


When you put it that way it makes perfect sense.
 
2014-02-12 12:15:36 PM  

OnlyM3: [upl.co image 660x513]


Absolutely reasonable.  I don't mind anyone who wants someone further left than Obama.
 
2014-02-12 12:15:54 PM  
But at least the drones keep our troops safe!

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2014-02-12 12:17:24 PM  

Need_MindBleach: So let me get this straight, we're "helping" the Yemenis with their slow-burn civil war, and they don't even want us there? What the fark is the administration doing? Idiots.


No, they "don't want us there" [air quotes] [wink wink] [nudge nudge]

There's a long history of national leaders having to publicly proclaim how horrible the United States is for meddling in their internal affairs while privately supporting those efforts.
 
2014-02-12 12:17:27 PM  

vygramul: zarberg: BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.

If you were a defense contractor why WOULDN'T you want to create more terrorists?

Because defense contractors work at the Pentagon.

/missed losing two colleagues by 10 minutes


I worked at Applied Physics lab in the late 90's and on Wall Street in 2001, so I'm well aware of losing friends - I knew one of the dead at the Pentagon and knew 3 that died in/around WTC. I was merely commenting in a snarky way that defense contractors have no soul and are fine with killing brown people to get rich contracts.
 
2014-02-12 12:18:01 PM  

BafflerMeal: Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


I don't think they're designed to, but one can't argue with results.


Sad but true. The US government is committed to taking out the Muslim extremists..... and collateral damage is going to happen. Mistakes will happen based on the intelligence the US military structure receives.

The end result? More actual "terrorists"  dead..... and a new generation of "terrorists" are created as normal people see parents, children and siblings die in drone missile attacks.
 
2014-02-12 12:18:46 PM  
We probably are creating more "terrorists" with every errant drone strike that kills a innocents at a funeral or a wedding.  But the "terrorists" we are creating by doing this aren't necessarily radical jihadists, but could be opposed to the United States on political grounds.  Don't be surprised to see left wing radicalism rise in the middle east.
 
2014-02-12 12:19:11 PM  

sprawl15: question's a bit more complicated than that - if you strike a capable, intelligent, connected turrist and that inspires four idiot teenagers to sign up, it could create 'more' turrists but reduce overall capability of the network to strike


Are you sure you didn't misread my post?  I was just referring to the fact that striking the specific terrorist with a drone compared to conventional weaponry results in less collateral damage, resulting in fewer idiot teenagers signing up.
 
2014-02-12 12:19:43 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-12 12:21:05 PM  

ScaryBottles: [i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Yes, because secret drone strikes are exactly as fictional as soviet mind control lasers.
 
2014-02-12 12:22:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Reports of the missile strike, on a seemingly innocent wedding party, have infuriated nearly every sphere of Yemeni society, including many of the country's top politicians

These drone strikes sound like they're designed to create more terrorists.


That assumes, of course, that you're taking these reports at face value. I don't think it's at all illegitimate to believe al-Quaida and affiliated operatives are using media manipulation to undermine our most effective tool for killing them without risk to Americans.
 
2014-02-12 12:23:07 PM  

MattStafford: Are you sure you didn't misread my post?


touche

well, there is the whole stigma where people tend to think drones are some kind of magical boogeyman and far worse than using a manned aircraft to do the same thing. conventional strikes can be any degree of more/less deadly depending on the armament; in terms of actual force applied assuming the same armament there really isn't any difference between the two. the drones in theory will rile people up quite a bit more because of the aforementioned ~reasons~, but at the same time the intelligent leader types will know that it doesn't really matter what actually dropped the bomb on the wedding because they can blame it on drones
 
2014-02-12 12:23:39 PM  

ikanreed: ScaryBottles: [i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Yes, because secret drone strikes are exactly as fictional as soviet mind control lasers.


That's exactly what the Soviet mind control lasers would make you say.
 
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