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2014-02-12 11:27:19 AM
Don't worry, citizen. It is for your $afety
 
2014-02-12 11:28:01 AM
Lazy law enforcement is the stepping stool of fascism.
 
2014-02-12 11:28:58 AM
How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.
 
2014-02-12 11:30:00 AM
yeah because that isn't some kind of scam where someone is getting a kickback.
 
2014-02-12 11:30:29 AM
Automated law enforcement should be against the law.
 
2014-02-12 11:30:47 AM
Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.
 
2014-02-12 11:31:35 AM
I'm like "yeah yeah whatever".
 
2014-02-12 11:32:05 AM
"And that's when the traffic camera flashed."

Oh I see the problem.
 
2014-02-12 11:32:49 AM

El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.


Adjusting said camera, with an aluminum baseball bat, is my solution.
 
2014-02-12 11:33:05 AM

mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.


He wasn't speeding, this why he's complaining.
 
2014-02-12 11:34:07 AM

Master Jason: mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.

He wasn't speeding, this why he's complaining.


Thus, this, thanks autocorrect!
 
2014-02-12 11:34:34 AM

El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.


In Ohio, many cities have outsourced their collection of city tax to "RITA", a private company.
They are nothing more than glorified bill collectors, and if they feel you owe them, they send out a document that says "Summons" and it looks like a real official court document, but in fact they have no legal authority to "summon" you or do anything else.
It's cities being lazy and a company raking in the ca$$$h.
 
2014-02-12 11:34:51 AM

mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.


He wasn't speeding, you authoritarian worshipping knobgobbler.
 
2014-02-12 11:35:13 AM

El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.


I keep wondering this too.  If there is no process to contest a citation then why doesn't the company just start mailing out citations in alphabetical order
 
2014-02-12 11:38:03 AM
revenue generators wearing the guise of public safety.

arizona got rid of its speed cameras - well, many of them at least - a fwe years back.  i always talk about that 10mi or so stretch of I-10 west of downtown, headed toward the football stadium.  now, the speed limit signs weren't posted, but godammit if they didn't have those farking cameras every 4 godamn feet.

leavign the games felt like you were on the red carpet at hollywood:  *pop* FLASH!  FLASH! *pop* FLASH *pop*  *pop* FLASH! *pop* FLASH! FLASH! *pop*
 
2014-02-12 11:38:30 AM

Cheron: El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.

I keep wondering this too.  If there is no process to contest a citation then why doesn't the company just start mailing out citations in alphabetical order


No, no.  If there's no process to protest, they can get sued.  The trick is to make a process that is unpleasant to navigate, and then charge a Protest Fee that is of equal value to the ticket.
 
2014-02-12 11:39:58 AM

Fano: Automated law enforcement should be against the law.


It is. Courts have ruled only law enforcement officers can issue tickets, not basically some third party call center in another state or country.

"Hello this is Rajeesh, how may I be helping you today as I write you a ticket from 600 miles away?"
 
2014-02-12 11:40:39 AM
Missed a zero in there. Meant 6000.
 
2014-02-12 11:41:50 AM
I have a BIG problem with the way New Orleans handles Red Light Camera citations.  In fact, I will copy/paste the letter I wrote to our city council, and let it be:

New Orleans - Tuesday, 28 January 2014
Dear Councilwoman Guidry, et al.

I know you as Susan, my neighbor.  I have met your dogs.  We have faced off, (good-naturedly), in our neighborhood meetings.  I have swapped stories with your husband at our neighborhood "Night-Out Against Crime" soirees.  I have never thought of you as someone who "governs", i.e. - "controls" my life.  Perhaps I am mistaken.

I have allowed several weeks to pass, in order that I may gather my thoughts, and properly direct the outrage I felt when I left my home for work one morning to find that my truck, (my only valuable asset), had been arrested and incapacitated under the authority of the City of New Orleans.  There was a "Denver Boot" attached to the left front wheel of my vehicle.  I was nonplussed.  I have no outstanding parking or traffic tickets, no wants or warrants, and the truck is mine.  It was parked legally on a public street.  There was no reason for anyone to hold my property hostage.

I called the number on the placard that had been affixed to the window of my truck, to inquire as to the origin of this process.  I was told that a two and a half year old red-light camera ticket was outstanding, from circa June of 2011, and remained unpaid.  Demand was made by your employees, (or subcontracted employees), to immediately pay $325 to obtain the code to remove that boot, and redeem my property.  I then was admonished that I had to return the Denver Boot-type device to your containment yard in good condition, or further consequences would be exerted by the City under rules authorized by you.

My only choice, in exigency, was to give them access to my bank account, and allow them to extract this arbitrary and non-adjudicated amount of money from my bank account.

Your organization, the City of New Orleans, extorted money from me, held my property for ransom or illegal collateral, (I could call it theft by conversion), and wantonly abrogated my 4th amendment rights to due process under the Constitution of the United States of America, which I believe held, (or once held), domain within our borders.

Your subcontractor's evidence, as I recall from memory, showed my vehicle, in two successive photographs, traveling at less than a walking speed, after a full stop, taking a right turn from northbound South Carrollton Avenue onto Banks Avenue, at a little after midnight.  I do not recall the exact date or time.  I am certain it can be retrieved.  The camera was evidently not functioning properly - it showed no speed at all in the "Speed" insertion on either photograph.  All other data recognition was present.  It did show how much "Time" - to the fraction of a second - had elapsed for my vehicle to cross broad and interpretable road markings.  I calculated the simple formula of Rate x Time = Speed, and included my math, and drew pictures for your employees to easily interpret, and returned the citation and my refutation of the evidence to the indicated mailing address.  I assumed that any reasonable person would have observed the proffered evidence, and drawn the same conclusion as I had.

I was never contacted by your employees, until the unlawful seizure of my property, (to wit: a 2006 Toyota Tacoma pickup truck - Texas plate ***-****), approximately 30 months after the alleged infraction.

I hereby demand that the City forthwith refund my citation expense, and expunge any applicable derogatory reports to any and all licensing committees, bodies, and/or legislatures.  I also suggest that the City disavow results concluded from evidence provided by unmanned and unconstitutional apparatus.
It is an anathema to any free society to know that a government mistrusts its constituents.  Conversely, our Founding Fathers DEMANDED that we mistrust our government!  This situation is 180 degrees out of phase.  You cannot place secreted cameras to spy upon your citizenry, and then expect that citizenry to trust you.  We, as citizens, cannot and should not allow this extraordinary intrusion.

I intend to publish this letter, (along with the evidence that I should have the right to retrieve from your subcontractors), and expose the apparent compulsion of the City of New Orleans to abrogate the 4th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, in order to satisfy its creditors.

My demand is iterated - refund my $325 without delay.  If I am not satisfied through this demand, I will have no choice but to resort to charging you, the City, and every councilperson under federal statutes.  I also intend to add other germane amounts and costs to the remuneration that I seek.

Please govern your actions accordingly.
Your loyal, voting constituent,


So, I was contacted by a representative of the Council, who informed me that I also had another citation, from TWO YEARS AGO, that I have never received ANY NOTIFICATION OF.

Am I pissed?  You bet.
 
2014-02-12 11:43:00 AM
I remember being in traffic court and a guy a ticket for making a left turn where there was a sign that said "No Left Turn, Monday - Friday 6-8 AM" or something like that. He's defense was that it was the Martin Luther King, Jr holiday and government offices were closed (big military area). He lost.
 
2014-02-12 11:43:36 AM
If the lights are flashing, then that is the speed limit. Whether school is in session is irrelevant.
 
2014-02-12 11:44:25 AM

Gary-L: El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.

Adjusting said camera, with an aluminum baseball bat, is my solution.


I was thinking of shinnying up the pole on a dark night with a can of black spray paint.  Ninja-style.

BTW - our neighboring Parish of Jefferson had to discontinue its use of the cameras, because it was found that they had reduced the duration of the amber light.

Nice and classy.
 
2014-02-12 11:49:05 AM

ElLoco: If the lights are flashing, then that is the speed limit. Whether school is in session is irrelevant.


Someone clearly forgot to turn off the lights that day, but that doesn't mean that you get to ignore them because you believe they shouldn't be on.
 
2014-02-12 11:49:41 AM

laughin: I remember being in traffic court and a guy a ticket for making a left turn where there was a sign that said "No Left Turn, Monday - Friday 6-8 AM" or something like that. He's defense was that it was the Martin Luther King, Jr holiday and government offices were closed (big military area). He lost.


I once was at traffic court and this kid got a ticket for making a left turn out of his driveway, he lives on a route in a rural area that has a double yellow line so the cop gave him a ticket for crossing a double yellow line. coont of a judge upheld the ticket.
 
2014-02-12 11:50:57 AM

Master Jason: mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.

He wasn't speeding, this why he's complaining.


F speed camera forever.....*but*:

"I saw the flashing sign and everything and it's like, all schools are closed and I don't have to worry about it,"

He was speeding.  Just because he thinks/knows the school is closed doesn't mean he should ignore a sign designed for actual traffic safety.  What if there actually was some class going on at the time and some dumb kid came running out? 28mph is almost double or triple the speed he would have been doing.  On icy roads that's a HUGE difference in emergency stopping distance.

I'll bet the farm that if an officer was there the ticket would have been valid and probably would have been for 2-3times more  (not that I agree with absurd traffic fines).
 
2014-02-12 11:53:19 AM
FTFA:  "Now he knows it's one bill he does not plan to pay."

Ah yes, the ole "i'm not going to do anything with this ticket and it'll go away" tactic. It never fails to produce expected results for the person thinking that way.
 
2014-02-12 11:54:29 AM
Speaking of school zones, why do we have them at high schools?  Aren't you old enough at fourteen or fifteen to be self-responsible enough to "look both ways before crossing?"
 
2014-02-12 11:55:01 AM

Mell of a Hess: So, I was contacted by a representative of the Council, who informed me that I also had another citation, from TWO YEARS AGO, that I have never received ANY NOTIFICATION OF.

Am I pissed? You bet.


Squeaky wheel gets the hammer.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-12 12:00:57 PM
New Orleans municipal code section 154-534(c) relating to school zone speed limits: "This regulation shall only apply on days when a school that the zone applies to is open for instruction during the regular term." (source)
 
2014-02-12 12:01:40 PM

Gary-L: El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.

Adjusting said camera, with an aluminum baseball bat, is my solution.


7.62x54R is way easier, more fun and much more likely to work.
 
2014-02-12 12:02:26 PM

Mell of a Hess: Aren't you old enough at fourteen or fifteen to be self-responsible enough to "look both ways before crossing?"


You've clearly never met 14-15yo kids. Individually they're ok, as a group not so much.
 
2014-02-12 12:02:46 PM

ElLoco: If the lights are flashing, then that is the speed limit. Whether school is in session is irrelevant.


Huh. Never realized the limit was only when lights were flashing, always slowed down. Seems stupid, kids could be there after school - sports, events, etc. And force of habit all the time would make people more compliant.

/have seen way too many cars speed up and try or succeed passing a bus letting kids off, love when they stand on the breaks because they failed to see oncoming traffic RIGHT THERE.
//not even gonna comment on traffic cameras :-\
 
2014-02-12 12:04:05 PM

El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.


Eh, that just means the due process is the process of taking it from the mailbox and putting it in the paper shredder.

I don't know what the enforceability is in Louisiana, but it's certainly what you do with them in most states.
 
2014-02-12 12:05:06 PM

IRQ12: Master Jason: mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.

He wasn't speeding, this why he's complaining.

F speed camera forever.....*but*:

"I saw the flashing sign and everything and it's like, all schools are closed and I don't have to worry about it,"

He was speeding.  Just because he thinks/knows the school is closed doesn't mean he should ignore a sign designed for actual traffic safety.  What if there actually was some class going on at the time and some dumb kid came running out? 28mph is almost double or triple the speed he would have been doing.  On icy roads that's a HUGE difference in emergency stopping distance.

I'll bet the farm that if an officer was there the ticket would have been valid and probably would have been for 2-3times more  (not that I agree with absurd traffic fines).


I'm sure it gets pretty icy in Louisiana, but you go on speculating why it's cool they issued a bullshiat ticket.
 
2014-02-12 12:08:05 PM
My county is starting to debate weather or not to continue using traffic cameras. In the last year there has been a big backlash against them. Swastikas painted on them, paint over the lenses, somebody even ripped one out of the ground. I have never been busted by one, but one almost made me have an accident. I was heading home from work and someone on the other side of the road was speeding, they set off the camera and I was hit with a machinegun blast of flashes in my face. It scared the crap out of me and messed up my night vision and if there were more people on the road I could have hit them from the swerve.

I still remember years ago when they were talking about installing the cams, whoever was pro cam got into bed with MADD and made commercials with crying moms about how if there was a camera at a certain intersection her kid would be alive today.Riiiiiiiiiight.
 
2014-02-12 12:12:09 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Mell of a Hess: Aren't you old enough at fourteen or fifteen to be self-responsible enough to "look both ways before crossing?"

You've clearly never met 14-15yo kids. Individually they're ok, as a group not so much.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-12 12:15:09 PM

Fano: IRQ12: Master Jason: mr0x: Don't speed, asshole.

Problem solved.

He wasn't speeding, this why he's complaining.

F speed camera forever.....*but*:

"I saw the flashing sign and everything and it's like, all schools are closed and I don't have to worry about it,"

He was speeding.  Just because he thinks/knows the school is closed doesn't mean he should ignore a sign designed for actual traffic safety.  What if there actually was some class going on at the time and some dumb kid came running out? 28mph is almost double or triple the speed he would have been doing.  On icy roads that's a HUGE difference in emergency stopping distance.

I'll bet the farm that if an officer was there the ticket would have been valid and probably would have been for 2-3times more  (not that I agree with absurd traffic fines).

I'm sure it gets pretty icy in Louisiana, but you go on speculating why it's cool they issued a bullshiat ticket.


I love it...

"He says he was going slower because the roads were wet and icy. "

... but you go on NRTFA....
 
2014-02-12 12:19:28 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Mell of a Hess: Aren't you old enough at fourteen or fifteen to be self-responsible enough to "look both ways before crossing?"

You've clearly never met 14-15yo kids. Individually they're ok, as a group not so much.


Shoot. PITT, CMU, and Carlow College are all in close proximity here. The main drag thru there is cars one way, and a dedicated bus lane going the other. Even with clear markings, signs, and most of the sidewalk railed off, a student a year or so still walks in front of a bus 2 ft away. Only 1 a year gets taken out, but lots of bus drivers get 10yrs taken off their lives standing on the brakes.
 
2014-02-12 12:27:51 PM

MadMattressMack: FTFA:  "Now he knows it's one bill he does not plan to pay."

Ah yes, the ole "i'm not going to do anything with this ticket and it'll go away" tactic. It never fails to produce expected results for the person thinking that way.


That tactic works here.

Where I am, the scamera "tickets" aren't enforceable.  They can send it to you in the mail, they can have a collection agency send you a letter, but they can't screw with your license, your registration, or you.

It's even illegal for them to put it on your credit report.
 
2014-02-12 12:30:01 PM

ElLoco: If the lights are flashing, then that is the speed limit. Whether school is in session is irrelevant.


Actually, in most states, the law is written that the speed limit only applies when school is actually in session. In Ohio, the law only applies during opening hours of school, closing hours of school, and during any recess that the school may have, and only on roads that are not controlled access.
 
2014-02-12 12:31:14 PM
In our town, the law applies Monday-Friday, whatever hours that particular school has posted.

IT COUNTS on holidays, snow days, etc., etc., etc., the way our ordinance was written.

/Wrote to ask the police chief a couple of years back, that's how I know.
 
2014-02-12 12:34:11 PM
Heh..got two red light tickets for a vehicle not even registered to me. the license plate had an M in it instead of an N and it kept sending the tickets to me even tho i drive a honda coupe and the infracting vehicle was a dodge durango.

/thats good police work there, lou
 
2014-02-12 12:36:07 PM

mama2tnt: In our town, the law applies Monday-Friday, whatever hours that particular school has posted.

IT COUNTS on holidays, snow days, etc., etc., etc., the way our ordinance was written.

/Wrote to ask the police chief a couple of years back, that's how I know.


NEVER ask any LEO how to interpret a law. Ask courts. Ask the lawmaker. NEVER a LEO. They will interpret it as broadly as possible.
 
2014-02-12 12:36:18 PM

Begoggle: El Dudereno: How does having to contest a speeding ticket with a private company not violate due process?
I thought that was why so many cities got rid of these stupid cameras.

In Ohio, many cities have outsourced their collection of city tax to "RITA", a private company.
They are nothing more than glorified bill collectors, and if they feel you owe them, they send out a document that says "Summons" and it looks like a real official court document, but in fact they have no legal authority to "summon" you or do anything else.
It's cities being lazy and a company raking in the ca$$$h.


Johnson County KS did something similar. They sold owed court fees to a private company to allow them to collect. I got an official looking bill from the private company that made it look like it was from the county that said I owed them $350 from unpaid court costs from 10 years before. It was completely in error, I had paid the court costs (which were $75), and never heard a single word from the county about owing them money. I called the private company, they wouldn't budge. I called the county, they wouldn't even talk to me, saying they had no involvement in it anymore. So I called the private company back, asked them what they would do if I refused to pay, and they made some vague threat about me losing my license. I laughed and told them to fark off.
 
2014-02-12 12:44:16 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Mell of a Hess: Aren't you old enough at fourteen or fifteen to be self-responsible enough to "look both ways before crossing?"

You've clearly never met 14-15yo kids. Individually they're ok, as a group not so much.


The high school I used to go to was near a busy road and at least 2 times a year a kid would try to beat a car.
 
2014-02-12 12:50:09 PM
Why do we put up with this shiat?

fire everyone who voted yes to install this bs system, without compensation.
 
2014-02-12 01:01:38 PM

ZAZ: New Orleans municipal code section 154-534(c) relating to school zone speed limits: "This regulation shall only apply on days when a school that the zone applies to is open for instruction during the regular term." (source)


Thanks for the research. I know by me (VA), all of the school zone signs say "Speed limit is X when lights are flashing", and the law says it's whenever the speed limit is being announced as school related.
 
2014-02-12 01:12:29 PM
Who makes the best license plate cover that render your plate illegible to the camera?
 
2014-02-12 01:23:36 PM

CoonAce: Who makes the best license plate cover that render your plate illegible to the camera?


Excellent question.  Anyone?  Bueller?
 
2014-02-12 01:33:28 PM

CoonAce: Who makes the best license plate cover that render your plate illegible to the camera?


hahahahahahahahahhaaaaa

every few years someone in the AZ legislature introduces a bill to block the use of those, whether the refelctive (but clear) spray paint that i guess fuzzes up your plate if photographed, or the dual-paned covers that obstruct one half of the plate (like computer privacy screens).  pro-persons cite officer safety, public safety, etc., and the anti-plate legislators favored tactic is CHIMPBAMA NEW WORLD ORDER SOSHULIZM NO ILLEGALZ OBAMACARE SOSHULIZM
 
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