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(Miami Herald)   Let's see what happens if we ask drivers to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks   (miamiherald.com) divider line 78
    More: Florida, crosswalks, pedestrians, West Avenue, stop signs, Alton Road, Frogger, Miami Beach police  
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2014-02-12 10:26:31 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-12 10:30:02 AM  
i see google gets what it pays for
 
2014-02-12 10:32:05 AM  
"Hey Joey, he's gonna try and make it.  I wanna see him legless."

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2014-02-12 10:35:57 AM  
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2014-02-12 10:37:15 AM  
The government-designed road system is just as sophisticated and functional and safe as government-designed anything.
 
2014-02-12 10:38:29 AM  
Let's take Florida drivers and ask them to divert their attention to the side of the road (where they have to try to interpret the intention of the pedestrians) and the middle of the road (as they try not to hit the big yellow road hazard). It's a fundamental tenant of most right of way rules (boats, airplanes, etc.) that the less maneuverable vehicle (i.e the car) has the right of way over the more maneuverable vehicle (i.e. the pedestrian). Why do we do this to ourselves?
 
2014-02-12 10:39:22 AM  
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2014-02-12 10:41:11 AM  
Drivers are confused by everything anymore. No one knows how to use a four-way stop, a roundabout or even know who is supposed to yield to whom at a two way stop. Turn lanes are only suggestions, as a traffic lights and speed limits.
 
2014-02-12 10:43:57 AM  

Phinn: The government-designed road system is just as sophisticated and functional and safe as government-designed anything.


wat. It's a sign that's rare in the city and drivers not used to driving in the area are confused by it. It has nothing to do with your teabagger rants.

gb2somalia
 
2014-02-12 10:43:58 AM  

JackieRabbit: Drivers are confused by everything anymore. No one knows how to use a four-way stop, a roundabout or even know who is supposed to yield to whom at a two way stop. Turn lanes are only suggestions, as a traffic lights and speed limits.


No American should be forced to drive and think at the same time. It's too hard.
 
2014-02-12 10:46:39 AM  

Phinn: The government-designed road system is just as sophisticated and functional and safe as government-designed anything.


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2014-02-12 10:48:21 AM  
I have a good buddy who lives and works on this road. The problem here is that they've practically (and in some spots completely) shut down Alton road, which is basically one of the few main roads of this little island that attracts millions of tourists, shoppers, diners, beach-goers, etc. They're renovating it for "beautification" purposes, which will apparently take several years of major construction. Their genius workaround for this was to direct all that traffic through a near side-street, where all the condos and local pedestrians are located. Someone somewhere got paid a lot of money for this stroke of brilliance.
 
2014-02-12 10:50:29 AM  
.....we have the exact same signs up here in Michigan, and no one's had a problem with it.  Stop if there's a pedestrian, keep driving if there's not.  It's really not hard.
 
2014-02-12 10:51:41 AM  
The main problem will always be the mentality of the Pedestrian and the Driver.

Pedestrian: "They wouldn't dare hit me"

Driver: "They'll get out of my way"

As soon as someone changes their position from one to the other, the mentality seats itself.
 
2014-02-12 10:52:58 AM  
Wait, what happened? I clicked the link, read TFA about Pensacola being jerks to homeless people, back-paged to Fark, and the story link was gone with this one in its place.

Rod? Mr. Serling, are you there?
 
2014-02-12 10:55:13 AM  
The majority of drivers: A) don't know the rules, B) don't care, or C) a little bit of both
 
2014-02-12 10:55:24 AM  
California doesn't have this problem.

See what you did, Florida? You made me defend California drivers.
 
2014-02-12 10:57:49 AM  
"I know it's confusing. People see the stop sign and they think they have to stop no matter what," Gold said. "The instruction is: It's not a stop sign. You don't have to stop unless the pedestrian is already in the crosswalk, is stepping into it, or is approaching so closely that basically they're in harm's way if you don't stop."

Stop signs always mean stop. That's why they're big and red and uniquely shaped so you can recognize them so easily. No extra words or instructions are needed or allowed.

What these people need is a different sign system instead of mucking with the meaning of a Stop sign.
 
2014-02-12 10:59:03 AM  
The problem, IMO, is the lack of a single standard for marking crossings where pedestrians have the right of way. Just make it so all crossings nationwide where pedestrians have the right of way are marked with Zebra lines painted on the road and drivers will find it much easier to work out if they are supposed to stop.

Signs like in TFA may help at the specific intersection they are installed on but they leave confusion about whether drivers are supposed to stop elsewhere or at crossings where road and street marking are significantly different - which given the patchwork of standards for crossings could be literally around the corner.
 
2014-02-12 11:03:56 AM  
Somebody tell those people to use the crosswalks that are clearly marked or they are going to die!

www.columbusrailroads.com
 
2014-02-12 11:04:45 AM  
I don't mind pedestrians having the right of way. I'd rather that right be rescinded if they're staring at their smartphones while crossing or decide to just walk out in the crosswalk without stopping at the curb first to look both ways, so if they get hit, well, they should have been paying attention.

As it stands, the pedestrian-right-of-way rule has made pedestrians complete arseholes.
 
2014-02-12 11:08:18 AM  
Meh, I don't care about pedestrians as much as I do cyclists. I loathe cyclists. They feel they have the same rights as a motor vehicle, yet don't obey the majority of the rules a vehicle does. Sorry, you can't have the same rights and choose which rules you want to obey. You don't belong on the farking road, go somewhere with less traffic. You don't need to be clogging the road with your shiatty cycling club.
 
2014-02-12 11:12:32 AM  
C. Barrel through the crosswalk; the sign is only there to warn pedestrians to be careful while trying to cross the street.

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I got it right.  What do I win?
 
2014-02-12 11:14:12 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Phinn: The government-designed road system is just as sophisticated and functional and safe as government-designed anything.

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Whats the worse thing you might hear...

"Hello. I am from the government and I am here to help."

/sure, they have some good things
//they also have a ton of horrible things
 
2014-02-12 11:14:37 AM  
Driving in FL
www.ibiblio.org
 
2014-02-12 11:14:56 AM  

goatleggedfellow: "I know it's confusing. People see the stop sign and they think they have to stop no matter what," Gold said. "The instruction is: It's not a stop sign. You don't have to stop unless the pedestrian is already in the crosswalk, is stepping into it, or is approaching so closely that basically they're in harm's way if you don't stop."

Stop signs always mean stop. That's why they're big and red and uniquely shaped so you can recognize them so easily. No extra words or instructions are needed or allowed.

What these people need is a different sign system instead of mucking with the meaning of a Stop sign.


I think there are two problems here. First, the signs aren't six-sided and all red, so people don't respond to them like they would a typical stop sign. Of course, these aren't typical stop signs: you only need stop if there's a pedestrian. But training is hard to break. Second, it seems inconsistent: stop at some but not others? People don't realize they are only placed at crosswalks without lights. Am I supposed to stop for pedestrians everywhere? As a pedestrian, do I always have right of way?

Oh, third thing: it's a new and complicated file that was never well-advertised to folks who already have licenses and aren't in driver's ed classes.
 
2014-02-12 11:16:13 AM  
*rule. Not file. Wtf, autocorrect.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:23 AM  

goatleggedfellow: "I know it's confusing. People see the stop sign and they think they have to stop no matter what," Gold said. "The instruction is: It's not a stop sign. You don't have to stop unless the pedestrian is already in the crosswalk, is stepping into it, or is approaching so closely that basically they're in harm's way if you don't stop."

Stop signs always mean stop. That's why they're big and red and uniquely shaped so you can recognize them so easily. No extra words or instructions are needed or allowed.

What these people need is a different sign system instead of mucking with the meaning of a Stop sign.


What is even worse about this sign is it actually has a Stop Sign printed on it. So if you are driving down the road and you see this particular sign. You see the Stop Sign picture and your brain thinks "Crap! Stop Sign!" and you tend to stop. Then you read the rest of the sign and realize that you only stop if there are people walking in the cross walk.

/Stopped the first time I saw this sign on school campus.
//Lucky me there were people in the cross walk.
///could of scored about 500 points if I tried that day.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:40 AM  
The stop sign has white borders, which if any of you will think back to drivers ed, means it is optional, it is more of an advisory.  It is meant to warn that you may need to stop to avoid a collision, but are under no legal obligation to, they are meant for private property.  Many cities bought them cheaply from the same suppliers to save a buck.
 
2014-02-12 11:17:47 AM  
Miami != Florida
 
2014-02-12 11:17:56 AM  
Since the drivers in Chapel Hill routinely barrel thorough red lights, crashing the crosswalk, why should they stop for a puny sign?

/not sure what Chapel Hill cops do for a living
//except busting that menace to society, underage drinkers
 
2014-02-12 11:18:35 AM  

brimed03: goatleggedfellow: "I know it's confusing. People see the stop sign and they think they have to stop no matter what," Gold said. "The instruction is: It's not a stop sign. You don't have to stop unless the pedestrian is already in the crosswalk, is stepping into it, or is approaching so closely that basically they're in harm's way if you don't stop."

Stop signs always mean stop. That's why they're big and red and uniquely shaped so you can recognize them so easily. No extra words or instructions are needed or allowed.

What these people need is a different sign system instead of mucking with the meaning of a Stop sign.

I think there are two problems here. First, the signs aren't six-sided and all red, so people don't respond to them like they would a typical stop sign. Of course, these aren't typical stop signs: you only need stop if there's a pedestrian. But training is hard to break. Second, it seems inconsistent: stop at some but not others? People don't realize they are only placed at crosswalks without lights. Am I supposed to stop for pedestrians everywhere? As a pedestrian, do I always have right of way?

Oh, third thing: it's a new and complicated file that was never well-advertised to folks who already have licenses and aren't in driver's ed classes.


What idiot doesn't know these simple rules? You learn these in drivers' education.
The rules of stopping for peds has always been in effect, but people were too stupid to remember that, necessitating the signs. Now the people are too stupid to understand the signs. Instead of correcting their deficiency of knowledge, they're complaining that it's too hard to understand.
 
2014-02-12 11:19:28 AM  

croesius: The main problem will always be the mentality of the Pedestrian and the Driver.

Pedestrian: "They wouldn't dare hit me"

Driver: "They'll get out of my way"

As soon as someone changes their position from one to the other, the mentality seats itself.


Turns out the pedestrians need to realize they are soft and slow, and that if they are wrong they are dead. It's like telling train engineers to watch out for cars.
 
2014-02-12 11:20:21 AM  
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"Red light: Stop. Green light: Go. Yellow Light: Go Very Fast"
 
2014-02-12 11:25:01 AM  

FlyBoy7700: that the less maneuverable vehicle (i.e the car) has the right of way over the more maneuverable vehicle (i.e. the pedestrian).


Except while the pedestrian is in a crosswalk. This is covered in Driver's Ed. Florida needs a remedial course, it seems.
 
2014-02-12 11:26:51 AM  

Target Builder: Just make it so all crossings nationwide where pedestrians have the right of way


That's already ALL crossings.
 
2014-02-12 11:28:43 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: FlyBoy7700: that the less maneuverable vehicle (i.e the car) has the right of way over the more maneuverable vehicle (i.e. the pedestrian).

Except while the pedestrian is in a crosswalk. This is covered in Driver's Ed. Florida needs a remedial course, it seems.


Actually, here in Florida, like in most places I believe, the pedestrians need to take a road course too. There are a ton of people who think "I am in a cross walk and if a car hits me, I can sue the hell out of them and win every time." They would step out in front of cars and almost get run over. This happens all the time at intersections. people would ignore the don't cross sign and walk out into the street and almost get killed then yell at the driver for it. Pedestrians are becoming worse then Cyclist.
 
2014-02-12 11:29:00 AM  
Experienced Miami pedestrians know how to stop traffic.
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2014-02-12 11:32:54 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: Somebody tell those people to use the crosswalks that are clearly marked or they are going to die!


Interesting aside: there's an exhibit in the San Francisco airport (yes, it has numerous museum-quality exhibits, and they're awesome) about the evolution of the city. One TV screen is showing some footage from the front of a cable car moving down Market Street. Everything - cars, pedestrians, wagons - crosses at any random point at any random angle they choose. I would be surprised if people weren't killed on a daily basis. It was pure chaos.

(Even more interesting aside: the brothers who shot that film in early April 1906 put it on a train for New York, and the next day their studio was destroyed in the earthquake and fire).
 
2014-02-12 11:58:33 AM  

yves0010: Pedestrians are becoming worse then Cyclist.


Oh okay then honey.
 
2014-02-12 12:03:18 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: yves0010: Pedestrians are becoming worse then Cyclist.

Oh okay then honey.


With Cyclist, they are predictable. You know they are going to run the red light. You know they are going to run out in front of you. With pedestrians (and yes there's a difference), you can not predict them. Are they or are they not going to run out in front of the car. Are they going to jaywalk. It is pretty bad down here. I almost run over someone everytime I drive because I can not tell if they are going to do something stupid. Mind you, this is not always a red light intersection issue. It is all intersections. Some will just walk out into the street oblivious to any and all traffic.
 
2014-02-12 12:15:03 PM  

ImpendingCynic: InterruptingQuirk: Somebody tell those people to use the crosswalks that are clearly marked or they are going to die!

Interesting aside: there's an exhibit in the San Francisco airport (yes, it has numerous museum-quality exhibits, and they're awesome) about the evolution of the city. One TV screen is showing some footage from the front of a cable car moving down Market Street. Everything - cars, pedestrians, wagons - crosses at any random point at any random angle they choose. I would be surprised if people weren't killed on a daily basis. It was pure chaos.

(Even more interesting aside: the brothers who shot that film in early April 1906 put it on a train for New York, and the next day their studio was destroyed in the earthquake and fire).


This is something that has history which was always managed quite well by persons before the modern age. I don't want to suggest that we don't live in safer times and are better off for it, but we do also live in more pedestrian times for sure.

Here is an acknowledgement from a traffic study done by the city of Chicago in 1926 that shows how we used to have an appreciation for rights of all road users.

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2014-02-12 12:17:57 PM  
Crosswalks always seemed a bit weird to me.

I was taught in drivers ed that you never really inherently have the right-of-way.  There are just situations in which you are supposed to yield it to others, and situations in which you might reasonably expect them to yield it to you.  But if you hit something or someone, you clearly didn't have the right-of-way no matter what you were expecting the other person to be doing.  (This is separate from determining insurance payout and legal fault and the like where it is useful to know who should have been doing what)

As such, crosswalks seem a bit odd from the perspective of how you should be driving around them.  Basically, if there's a person in front of you, don't run into them.  If there isn't a person in front of you, then go ahead and drive normally.  Which is sorta the same as anywhere else on the road.
 
2014-02-12 12:21:52 PM  
Followup thoughts from the study which are more relevant to your position

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2014-02-12 12:22:32 PM  
There is (sometimes) one of those signs near my house. Here's how it works in Milwaukee:

1. Sign goes up one morning.
2. Next morning, the sign has been hit at least once, but usually still standing. (It's fastened to the street on a spring so it pops up if you don't hit it just right.)
3. By the following morning the sign is broken off and in the center of the road or on the shoulder.
4. Two months later - goto step 1

This has been going on for 5 or 6 years. I have no idea why they still bother. I understand that it is a school crossing, but there's a crossing guard there in the mornings and afternoons making the sign useless except for drunk drivers to use as target practice.
 
2014-02-12 12:27:33 PM  

FlyBoy7700: Let's take Florida drivers and ask them to divert their attention to the side of the road (where they have to try to interpret the intention of the pedestrians) and the middle of the road (as they try not to hit the big yellow road hazard). It's a fundamental tenant of most right of way rules (boats, airplanes, etc.) that the less maneuverable vehicle (i.e the car) has the right of way over the more maneuverable vehicle (i.e. the pedestrian). Why do we do this to ourselves?


I fully agree, but it probably has to do something with the fact that you don't have to be licensed to walk anywhere. With your example, such as a plane, *everyone* has to be licensed to fly a plane. Meaning you can force people to follow that rule.

I suppose if you started ticketing for a pedestrian that didn't yield to the car, it could work. But you'd probably get a whole bunch of people up in arms about bigger government.

I also imagine the other reason cars yield the ROW to pedestrians is because when a car hits a pedestrian, the pedestrian gets farmed. The car gets a ding in it.
 
2014-02-12 12:33:54 PM  
That was supposed to read "farked," but farmed sounds like a decent euphemism for being killed.
 
2014-02-12 12:34:33 PM  
Here is one issue I'm torn on. On one hand, it's the law. On the other hand, people attempting to cross streets on foot are often *really stupid*. I mean, there's one spot near a bus hub on my route to work, where there's a huge 'pedestrian crossing' area, complete with flashing signs (that only turn on when a pedestrian activates it), rules posted about yielding to pedestrians, etc... and I am constantly slamming my brakes/swerving to the side as people decide to just start tearing across the road at every point *except* the crossing area. On the other-other hand, people in cars are often just as stupid or just jerks. Same bus hub area, people actually using the crosswalk and even waiting for close by cars to pass or obviously slow down before entering the road... and 5-10 cars will completely ignore the signs or actually speed up when they see people enter the crosswalk.

Nearer to my house, there's an old man who obeys all the pedestrian traffic rules and is very careful, and also carries a huge walking stick... which I have seen him slam into cars sitting in pedestrian cross walks or narrowly missing him turning right without blinkers or stopping. There's also a guy who walks around with a large sign stating the yield law, which he holds up as he crosses streets (as legally and safely as possible also). As a result, most drivers around there are pretty respectful of yielding... until it comes to the school zone, for some reason. It's like a warzone where the kids are the targets, with people speeding through at 55+ MPH, swerving up onto sidewalks, attempting to mow down crossing guards and kids in the crosswalk crossing with the light, etc.

I think what really needs to happen is have raised pedestrian-only areas, with walking bridges across major intersections... then when people do get hit it's really obvious who's at fault. I know that would be WAY too expensive though.

/and this being Florida, I can imagine lots of people deciding that forcing their vehicle onto the pedestrian road to avoid traffic is a great idea
 
2014-02-12 12:35:24 PM  

Phinn: The government-designed road system is just as sophisticated and functional and safe as government-designed anything.


bobcesca.thedailybanter.com
 
2014-02-12 12:37:08 PM  

Target Builder: The problem, IMO, is the lack of a single standard for marking crossings where pedestrians have the right of way. Just make it so all crossings nationwide where pedestrians have the right of way are marked with Zebra lines painted on the road and drivers will find it much easier to work out if they are supposed to stop.


Pedestrians have the right of way in any crosswalk anywhere in the country not controlled by a light.
 
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