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(Guardian)   Commuting to work is destroying your very soul. Let's take a look at why   (theguardian.com) divider line 104
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2014-02-12 09:00:41 AM

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The gates of hell.....

 
2014-02-12 09:01:16 AM
However, strangely, once a commute hit three hours then the negative effects dropped off.

Maybe at that point your brain just gives up and shuts down.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:38 AM
My commute is 15 minutes on back country roads.  10 minutes if I want to take the turnpike for a brief one-exit stretch.
 
2014-02-12 09:12:47 AM
The commute is fine, theoretically. Malfunctioning shiatty-ass NYSDOT traffic signals during the commute is what's destroying my very soul. I figure I burn through two tanks of gas a year sitting at red lights with nobody else around.

When I am crowned emperor, those useless goldbricking state highway engineers will be working under the threat of Best-Korean-style execution for the slightest farkup.

/i keed
//but only a little
 
2014-02-12 09:18:27 AM

nekom: My commute is 15 minutes on back country roads.


1.2 miles for me. I actually wish it was a little longer. I used to walk it but people kept stopping and asking if I needed a ride.

It has it's ups and downs.
 
2014-02-12 09:20:31 AM

nekom: My commute is 15 minutes on back country roads.  10 minutes if I want to take the turnpike for a brief one-exit stretch.


Yeah, but who wants to take the turnpike?
 
2014-02-12 09:23:22 AM
In the warmer months I can just walk through the park.  When it's farked out I have to take the train but I have my head in a book so I really don't care.
 
2014-02-12 09:25:16 AM
Before I started working from home I'd have to hit the Orlando International Airport exit to get to my building.

Nothing puts you in the mood for work better than tourists in airport traffic inspiring murderous rampage within you.
 
2014-02-12 09:28:45 AM
When I used to consult to DoD I had a corporate apartment in Ballston and my office was in Crystal City.  If I wanted to I could go into the basement of my apartment building, get the metro into Crystal City, take the underground into my office building, go down to the underground for lunch, leave work at the end of the day and pick up groceries in the underground, and take the metro back to my apartment.  I could spend the entire day spanning a city without ever going outside.
 
2014-02-12 09:30:30 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Yeah, but who wants to take the turnpike?

It's actually the turnpike extension, 43.  Nowhere near as many cops, but the tolls are a little ridiculous.  Paying a dollar to go like 3 miles isn't really worth it unless I'm running late.
 
2014-02-12 09:31:21 AM
If you're at the front of the line in a left turn lane and when the arrow turns green you wait five seconds before taking your foot off the brake then you need to be put in the public stocks for an entire long holiday weekend to be pelted with rotting fruit, discarded diapers and unsold copies of Suzanne Somers' erotic novel "The Seduction of Mr. Furley."
 
2014-02-12 09:34:20 AM

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Yeah, but who wants to take the turnpike?

It's actually the turnpike extension, 43.  Nowhere near as many cops, but the tolls are a little ridiculous.  Paying a dollar to go like 3 miles isn't really worth it unless I'm running late.


I got SunPass for the tolls here.  They have a toll booth that's like 10 feet before the airport exit.  If you want to use SunPass to get through quickly you have to go the far left booths then cut across like 5 merging/post toll lanes to make the exit on the right in that short distance.  It's like it's designed to create problems.
 
2014-02-12 09:40:23 AM
One hour each way of driving through the countryside and listening to NPR.
Soul crushing.
 
2014-02-12 09:42:27 AM

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Yeah, but who wants to take the turnpike?

It's actually the turnpike extension, 43.  Nowhere near as many cops, but the tolls are a little ridiculous.  Paying a dollar to go like 3 miles isn't really worth it unless I'm running late.


You're probably the only person on that road.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:54 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If you're at the front of the line in a left turn lane and when the arrow turns green you wait five seconds before taking your foot off the brake then you need to be put in the public stocks for an entire long holiday weekend to be pelted with rotting fruit, discarded diapers and unsold copies of Suzanne Somers' erotic novel "The Seduction of Mr. Furley."


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2014-02-12 09:48:03 AM
30 minutes each way in a carpool with 3 pleasant people. I get a short nap, some fun conversation, or a half an hour of NPR. I actually kind of like my commute.
 
2014-02-12 09:52:11 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Yeah, but who wants to take the turnpike?

It's actually the turnpike extension, 43.  Nowhere near as many cops, but the tolls are a little ridiculous.  Paying a dollar to go like 3 miles isn't really worth it unless I'm running late.

You're probably the only person on that road.


Just me and the fracking trucks.
 
2014-02-12 10:00:17 AM
Mine is 50 miles one way.

I don't mind it so much, though, because my car is my "second ham shack":

i60.tinypic.com

So I can talk to the local guys, or I can "pound brass" and talk to people as far away as Japan and New Zealand using Morse.

And before you ask, Morse is vastly superior safety-wise to texting because it's completely audio, and because the "keyboard" is a single momentary switch, I don't have to look at it to send.  So my eyes need never leave the road while I'm chatting.

Plus, when the aliens from Independence Day re-invade, you'll need people like me again.
 
2014-02-12 10:03:34 AM
Wait...a Guardian article that doesn't mention Snowdon?
 
2014-02-12 10:03:50 AM

dittybopper: because my car is my "second ham shack":


-_-

anyone else, I would't believe, but you.
I can't imagine it any other way.

Hope some cop doesn't confiscate it thinking it's "drug" Paraphernalia.
 
2014-02-12 10:12:12 AM
I drive an hour (without traffic) each way and it is soul-sucking.

But NOTHING was worse than Metro-North from CT to NYC. I honestly often thought of jumping in front of the train to avoid having to get on it. I know I could make more money if I worked in NYC, but those trains... those overcrowded, disgusting, often too hot or too cold trains filled with asshole yuppies who liked to bother the weird looking girl.... my GOD. There is little worse in the world.  I could never ever do that again. When I lost my job in NYC in 2003, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
 
2014-02-12 10:16:43 AM
No, Submitter.  My commute to work is fine.  It's what happens at the end of the commute that crushes my soul.
 
2014-02-12 10:17:45 AM
Souls don't exist.
 
2014-02-12 10:19:21 AM
10 minutes in good weather and good traffic, all on surface roads.  Not bad at-tall.
 
2014-02-12 10:21:23 AM
45-60 minutes on the bus, each way. 90 minutes to 2 hours commute time, every day. Each week I spend the equivalent of an entire work day just on my commute.

And it can as much as double in bad weather.

YAY URBAN SPRAWL!
 
2014-02-12 10:21:47 AM

vudukungfu: One hour each way of driving through the countryside and listening to NPR.
Soul crushing.


Just change the station, dummy.
 
2014-02-12 10:23:08 AM
Working from home just destroys your social skills.

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2014-02-12 10:23:57 AM
It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.
 
2014-02-12 10:25:15 AM
Sure, commuting sucks. But living at your workplace would be the most depressing thing in the world. Only two options as far as I can tell.
 
2014-02-12 10:26:30 AM

mod3072: It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.


I'd do a lot of things for a 75% pay increase, but you're definitely right that the commute is going to affect your life in a big way. Especially going from 3 minutes to 3 hours. That would be a rough adjustment.

Then again, if you're making 75% more, could you buy or rent a new place closer to the new job?
 
2014-02-12 10:30:39 AM

vudukungfu: dittybopper: because my car is my "second ham shack":

-_-

anyone else, I would't believe, but you.
I can't imagine it any other way.

Hope some cop doesn't confiscate it thinking it's "drug" Paraphernalia.


I actually had a state trooper pull me over for a minor infraction (tail light out) and he asked me about all the radios and antennas in the car.  Besides the normal car stereo antenna, which btw isn't hooked up to anything, I've got 4 extra antennas on the car.  One of them is on the center of the roof and is approximately 7.5 feet tall from the base to the tip.

I got out my amateur radio license and gave him the spiel about how it's a great hobby, get to talk to people from all over the World, etc.

I did leave out the Morse Code part, though.  It's not necessary for any ham radio license these days, and quite frankly I didn't want to have to defend myself in traffic court by explaining why the ban on texting while driving doesn't apply to Morse code, or in fact to most ham radio transmissions.

So it's kind of stupid that I'm perfectly legal when I hold a microphone from my 2 meter radio to my mouth to talk, or even if I use a handheld radio to talk while driving, but I couldn't legally do the same exact thing with a cell phone.

Heck, you could even use an FRS, GMRS, or handheld CB while driving.
 
2014-02-12 10:31:08 AM

mod3072: It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.


Find an airport near your house and near the destination, learn to fly, and get there that way every day.

I commuted 60 miles each way for 2 years. An hour on the road each way. It sucked. I would leave for work at 5 and arrive back home around 4. No farking way will i do that again. Thankfully, we moved closer and I now have a 6 mile commute each way. When we move again, I'm going to fight tooth and nail to keep my commute under 30 minutes.
 
2014-02-12 10:31:30 AM

tzzhc4: Working from home just destroys your social skills.

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As someone who has been working from home for 3 months now, I can totally relate.

It is nice to roll out of bed and be at work though.
 
2014-02-12 10:41:14 AM

kidgenius: An hour on the road each way. It sucked.


I've been doing that for 12 years now.

It doesn't suck as long as you find something to do during that time.  Not everyone is into ham radio, but surely listening to an audiobook would be a good use of the time, or listening to news radio.  When the bands are dead and no one is on the local ham radio repeaters, I listen to news radio, generally NPR affiliates unless they are in the middle of a fund drive, then a more local oriented one.

Then too, I also get a chance to think without a cow-orker, the distaffbopper, or the littlebopper interrupting me.  It's actually something I look forward to.

Of course, when the weather is bad or there is an accident, then it sucks.  But usually, it's a smooth ride to and from work with little drama.
 
2014-02-12 10:45:56 AM
Oh, I just figured this out:  I can still use my E-6B to figure out stuff like ETA, MPG, average speed, etc. while driving because while it is a portable computing device, the New York State law only covers *ELECTRONIC* portable computing devices.  Two cardboard circles riveted together in the middle don't count.
 
2014-02-12 10:48:13 AM
If the "traveling by other method" is autogyro, hovercraft, or hydrofoil, then I can definitely see the increased satisfaction.
 
2014-02-12 10:52:39 AM
Five minutes from downtown seattle - I can see the front door of my house from the back door of my office. I'm figuring it's about a hundred feet or so. I remember to be thankful every day.
 
2014-02-12 10:53:03 AM
Started a new job in December right on top of a Metro station (I live down the block from one, as well). In that time, I finished The Federalist Papers and started The Anti-Federalist Papers, and ground down a bit of my motion sickness problem.

Vastly superior to a driving commute of roughly the same time (20 minutes). Sometimes I can even take a short nap on the train.

// cops got all pissy if I tried doing that on 395
 
2014-02-12 10:55:22 AM
I currently have an hour commute. Next weekend I move 3 miles away from my office - 7 minute commute. I'm already salivating over all the extra time I'll have for exercise, writing, and most importantly SLEEPING.
 
2014-02-12 10:59:21 AM

mod3072: It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.


The wife and I both took better-paying jobs about 90 minutes away. In the short term, it was a giant pain in the ass, and we hated it (the extra money was nice, but we were both dead on our feet when we got home). However, after about two years, we both leveraged those salaries to get better-paying jobs closer to home. Wound up being a total win.

So, if this is possibly a short-term arrangement, I'd say go for it. If you're in a field where there's not a lot of opportunities to jump around (or you're looking for a 30-year gig), maybe not so much. Or, like Rev.K said, move closer to your job.

/Lost 50 lbs after starting my current job, used the commute time to hit the gym
//Total. Win.
 
2014-02-12 10:59:27 AM

Rev.K: mod3072: It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.

I'd do a lot of things for a 75% pay increase, but you're definitely right that the commute is going to affect your life in a big way. Especially going from 3 minutes to 3 hours. That would be a rough adjustment.

Then again, if you're making 75% more, could you buy or rent a new place closer to the new job?


Relocation isn't really a good option for me right now. We have 5 kids in school and own a home here, and if we moved my wife would have to try to find a new job. Plus my family would probably hate me if I uprooted them right now. I could maybe rent a crappy apartment or something for just myself to stay in during the week, but then I would miss out on a lot of time with the kids. If I got laid off or something and didn't have a choice that would be one thing, but I have a stable job where I'm at. It's a difficult decision. How much money makes it worth it? That's a hard question to answer. If it's going to make my life miserable, there probably isn't an amount that is enough.
 
2014-02-12 11:01:07 AM
As someone who's in the "slightly over an hour" zone, I find a huge difference between the subway/streetcar and doing it by car.  Car is horrible.  The subway's alright.  I listen to music, I'll doze sometimes if I've got a decent seat, fark around with my phone...  easy, relaxing.  Having to concentrate (more or less) in stop and go traffic for an hour sucks donkey balls.
 
2014-02-12 11:05:18 AM

Mercutio74: As someone who's in the "slightly over an hour" zone, I find a huge difference between the subway/streetcar and doing it by car.  Car is horrible.  The subway's alright.  I listen to music, I'll doze sometimes if I've got a decent seat, fark around with my phone...  easy, relaxing.  Having to concentrate (more or less) in stop and go traffic for an hour sucks donkey balls.


Not all hour-long commutes are that bad.  Mine is 94% highway, and barring exceptional circumstances, at normal highway speeds of 65+ MPH.
 
2014-02-12 11:05:25 AM

mod3072: Rev.K: mod3072: It takes me about 3 minutes to get to work, which is nice. I have someone trying to hire me away right now, and I'm struggling with the decision. It would be a very significant pay increase (about 75%), but it would add a 75 mile one-way commute. That's about 3 hours a day I would have to spend on the road. I hate to pass up such a great financial opportunity, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. We'll see what the collective "wisdom" of Fark has to say about it.

I'd do a lot of things for a 75% pay increase, but you're definitely right that the commute is going to affect your life in a big way. Especially going from 3 minutes to 3 hours. That would be a rough adjustment.

Then again, if you're making 75% more, could you buy or rent a new place closer to the new job?

Relocation isn't really a good option for me right now. We have 5 kids in school and own a home here, and if we moved my wife would have to try to find a new job. Plus my family would probably hate me if I uprooted them right now. I could maybe rent a crappy apartment or something for just myself to stay in during the week, but then I would miss out on a lot of time with the kids. If I got laid off or something and didn't have a choice that would be one thing, but I have a stable job where I'm at. It's a difficult decision. How much money makes it worth it? That's a hard question to answer. If it's going to make my life miserable, there probably isn't an amount that is enough.


The other thing you could do (I've known two people to do this) would be to either do a motel (or find a friend who likes sleepovers) and stay only once or twice during the week.  That way you might be able to strike a balance between work and life and also get the sweet, sweet pay raise.  You'd have to make sure you've got a family that can survive without you for a couple of nights a week.  Maybe you could try acting like more of an ass at home and they'd be happier to see you away a bit more.  ;)
 
2014-02-12 11:06:31 AM

dittybopper: Not all hour-long commutes are that bad. Mine is 94% highway, and barring exceptional circumstances, at normal highway speeds of 65+ MPH.


That's a good point.  My commute, if it happened at 3 am, would be about 15 mins one way by car.
 
2014-02-12 11:13:34 AM

vudukungfu: One hour each way of driving through the countryside and listening to NPR.
Soul crushing.


One hour each way involving the southernmost part of the Garden State Parkway. Audiobooks make it quite pleasurable.
 
2014-02-12 11:15:48 AM
So I'm the only one that carpools with the local chapter of the Nymphomaniac Bikini Model With No Standards Association of America?
 
2014-02-12 11:18:16 AM
If the subway is running normally (and it is, more often than not at least) I have a 35 minute commute, 45 if people hold the doors open for a few stops, but I honestly love the subway and get a lot of reading done during my commute.

/used to commute to the city
//1.5-2 hours each way
///much better now
 
2014-02-12 11:30:34 AM

neversubmit: Souls don't exist.


You sound white.
 
2014-02-12 11:31:57 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: So I'm the only one that carpools with the local chapter of the Nymphomaniac Bikini Model With No Standards Association of America?


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