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(Talking Points Memo)   I don't want to get your hopes up but a Bush adviser wants you to know that Kentucky is gonna specialize in Turtle Soup in November   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 43
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2014-02-12 09:01:05 AM
Believe it when I see it served up.
 
2014-02-12 09:02:06 AM
Were any Bush advisers right about anything?
 
2014-02-12 09:02:21 AM
If slow and steady wins the race, which pubic hare will he disgrace?

Matt Bevin?

Yeah, um, Grimes, we need you to step up your game.
 
2014-02-12 09:17:56 AM
I'm sure I don't really need to remind the GOP of this, but just remember, as you're shooting yourself in the foot, don't pull the trigger, squeeze it. Wouldn't want to throw your aim off, y'know.
 
2014-02-12 09:31:49 AM
Yeah... I wouldn't be so sure. The race is absolutely winnable - the popularity of Kynect and McConnell's own astounding lack of likeability or competence at the very least balance out Kentucky's conservative lean - but the race is at best a tossup. There are plenty of chances for a shift in the national mood to occur, in either direction, and the polling shows the Grimes-McConnell race at best with a modest lead for Grimes (before the primaries).
 
2014-02-12 09:36:01 AM
I'm still amazed when I read stuff like "But McConnell has raised much more money than his opponents and will be very difficult to unseat."

It's the naïve child still sobbing in that tiny little corner of my soul.
 
2014-02-12 09:39:40 AM

Summoner101: Were any Bush advisers right about anything?


Does Shinseki count as a Bush adviser? He's about the only one I can think of.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:05 AM
Seeing The Talking Turtle sent packing is a good thing, but I fear that the Kentucky Fried Brains of the gop are going to put a truly mouth-foaming Teabaggah in his place. Someone that will make everyone actually miss the Good Old Days of Mitch.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:13 AM

Summoner101: Were any Bush advisers right about anything?


David Frum is occaisionally correct.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:41 AM
it would be funny if the runaway success of obamacare in kentucky helped push the state blue. it won't - well, not for a long time - but you'd think it would show that the ACA isn't all bad.
 
2014-02-12 09:49:58 AM
McConnel will win.

The GOP establishment is finally (unfortunately) playing hard ball with donors to hedge out extreme/tea party candidates.

The NYTimes just ran a story a few days ago that included a story about McConnell's primary opponent. Apparently a large donor called and said he couldn't donate to the challenger because the GOP committe was threatening to cut off access to leadership to anyone backing extreme candidates.

They aren't saying it out loud, but they're trying to fix their Palin/Akin/etc issue. The battle for the GOP is going on behind the scenes, and will end the way it always was going to: moneyed interests that know how to work the system behind the scenes will win out.
 
2014-02-12 09:56:23 AM
... Because he'll be President!
 
2014-02-12 10:01:07 AM
McConnell is facing Kentucky businessman Matt Bevin in the Republican primary, whom some prominent tea party activists are rallying around.

McConnell loses primary.
Bevin talks about rape.
Grimes wins.
 
2014-02-12 10:04:48 AM

bdub77: McConnell is facing Kentucky businessman Matt Bevin in the Republican primary, whom some prominent tea party activists are rallying around.

McConnell loses primary.
Bevin talks about rape.
Grimes wins.


I don't think that'll happen, but should he lose the primary....would he go apeshiat in the Senate for his remaining few months and burn as many bridges in the GOP as he can or would he continue on his merry, turtley ways?
 
2014-02-12 10:05:55 AM

somedude210: bdub77: McConnell is facing Kentucky businessman Matt Bevin in the Republican primary, whom some prominent tea party activists are rallying around.

McConnell loses primary.
Bevin talks about rape.
Grimes wins.

I don't think that'll happen, but should he lose the primary....would he go apeshiat in the Senate for his remaining few months and burn as many bridges in the GOP as he can or would he continue on his merry, turtley ways?


Who would take over the Republican Caucus? Cruz?
 
2014-02-12 10:08:11 AM

coeyagi: If slow and steady wins the race, which pubic hare will he disgrace?

Matt Bevin?

Yeah, um, Grimes, we need you to step up your game.


I think you just won the intarwebs.
 
2014-02-12 10:12:49 AM

Deneb81: moneyed interests that know how to work the system behind the scenes will win out.


It almost pains me to say it, but.... good.


/I mean, say what you want about the tenets of crony capitalism, dude, but at least it's an ethos.
 
2014-02-12 10:13:18 AM

bdub77: McConnell is facing Kentucky businessman Matt Bevin in the Republican primary, whom some prominent tea party activists are rallying around.

McConnell loses primary.
Bevin talks about rape.
Grimes wins.


Not going to happen. See above. They're pulling the support out from under extreme candidates every way they can that stays out of the papers.

Bevin has lost support of important backers because their access was threatened. They may support idealists, but when their own access and money line is threatened, the GOP money is decidedly NOT willing to put ideology over self interest.
 
2014-02-12 10:15:59 AM
In recent years Whiton has written a book about foreign policy and repeatedly appeared in conservative media.

Well, I guess the matter is settled then, we're dealing with a political expert.
 
2014-02-12 10:17:12 AM

incendi: Deneb81: moneyed interests that know how to work the system behind the scenes will win out.

It almost pains me to say it, but.... good.


/I mean, say what you want about the tenets of crony capitalism, dude, but at least it's an ethos.


It's probably better in the long term, at least in that the crazy social conservative and unthinking, compromise is evil style mini-dictators will be squeezed out.

Imagine how much more productive an Obama term could have been if Boehner (a man who IS willing to compromise, whatever else his flaws are) hadn't had the constant threat of revolt from know-nothings at his back?
 
2014-02-12 10:17:49 AM
Don't bet against incumbents.
 
2014-02-12 10:22:23 AM

TV's Vinnie: Seeing The Talking Turtle sent packing is a good thing, but I fear that the Kentucky Fried Brains of the gop are going to put a truly mouth-foaming Teabaggah in his place. Someone that will make everyone actually miss the Good Old Days of Mitch.



Anyone they replace him with won't be Minority Leader, therefore that is a good thing. Maybe, just maybe the GOP Establishment would elect a moderately sane individual to replace him.
 
2014-02-12 10:29:31 AM

Lost Thought 00: somedude210: bdub77: McConnell is facing Kentucky businessman Matt Bevin in the Republican primary, whom some prominent tea party activists are rallying around.

McConnell loses primary.
Bevin talks about rape.
Grimes wins.

I don't think that'll happen, but should he lose the primary....would he go apeshiat in the Senate for his remaining few months and burn as many bridges in the GOP as he can or would he continue on his merry, turtley ways?

Who would take over the Republican Caucus? Cruz?


Cruz or Paul would probably make bids for the leadership, but I expect the current whip (Cornyn) wouldn't have much of an issue mustering the votes to move up a spot.
 
2014-02-12 10:33:07 AM
it's the same state that gave us Lincoln. on this date.

You know, if you have one child and he turns out alright, then start cranking out potatoes, maybe it's time to stop.
 
2014-02-12 10:35:18 AM
Approves:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-12 11:05:35 AM
In a bizarre move, a 3rd party campaign ad for McConnell features a guy whose voice due to some accident has been reduced to a rasp. According to the text of the ad, McConnell helped get him aid. But all you can think while watching the ad is that this must be one of the guys who helped McConnell filibuster everything and that he lost his voice doing it.
 
2014-02-12 11:15:33 AM

Deneb81: incendi: Deneb81: moneyed interests that know how to work the system behind the scenes will win out.

It almost pains me to say it, but.... good.


/I mean, say what you want about the tenets of crony capitalism, dude, but at least it's an ethos.

It's probably better in the long term, at least in that the crazy social conservative and unthinking, compromise is evil style mini-dictators will be squeezed out.

Imagine how much more productive an Obama term could have been if Boehner (a man who IS willing to compromise, whatever else his flaws are) hadn't had the constant threat of revolt from know-nothings at his back?


Don't think they'll give in though. The party faithful buy the religious herp and derp. The preachers took over the party, and they're going to fight with everything they've got at the pulpit. Just a couple of wins, a few stalls by those in office, and the 'people' will get behind the TEAhaddist in the primaries.

Barry Goldwater was correct, and it only took St. Reagan (blessed be his tax cuts) to set up this alliance that may devour the GOP from the inside. This is another in a set of pivotal elections for GOPe. Can they stop the TEAhaddists? Will the "RINO's" be purged?

Tune into the midterm primaries: infighting boogaloo.
 
2014-02-12 11:37:20 AM
Can't wait to see Rove mansplain Grimes' stance on things during that November victory of hers.
 
2014-02-12 12:04:20 PM
Bevin is a farking idiot. As a Louisville resident, I am genuinely hopeful that he doesn't primary McConnell. We've got enough dumbass voters in this state to replace Mitch with an even  bigger dumbass, and Bevin could potentially do a lot more damage to Kentucky than McConnell ever would.

Polls state that McConnell is leading Bevin by almost 30 points for the primary, but the numbers tighten up when you pit either against Grimes. Hard to tell which party will end up representing the senate seat.

I'll be throwing in my vote for Grimes in hopes that we get a Senator worth a damn, regardless.
 
2014-02-12 12:07:31 PM
Pretty sure Christian Whiton also predicted a Romney win
 
2014-02-12 12:37:05 PM
Honestly, primarying a member of party leadership is such a stupid idea unless you have a personal objection to who the person is (corruption for example.) You are going to go from having the Senate Minority (and potential Majority) Leader to having a Junior Senator with no influence in Washington: the dude has been in office forever and a day will likely be more effective both in getting leverage for policies that you support and writing the bills necessary to forward an agenda, meanwhile your choice in replacement will be loud and exciting but can't actually get anything done for a few years.
 
2014-02-12 12:48:24 PM
Would a Tea Party replacement really be an improvement? :/
 
2014-02-12 12:52:11 PM
I'll believe it when me shiat turns purple, and smell of rainbow sherbet.

//Also, when the Tea Party primary opponent runs as a third party spoiler.
 
2014-02-12 01:40:03 PM
Glenn Beck had Matt Bevin on his radio program last night, and went on and on about how McConnell is "slimy" and etc. He pulled no punches - he clearly wants McConnell out of office. Beck was also inveighing against "Karl Rove and his cronies."

Then later in the evening I caught a bit of Jason Lewis' program, in which he was biatching about the House GOP passing a clean debt ceiling bill, and cautioning against "This new breed of left-wing Republican; defense hawks who want to build up the military and don't mind raising taxes to do it."

Neither host had anything at all to say about Democrats. I was just starting to think the Republican civil war was cooling down, but maybe it's gone guerrilla and intensified. Fascinating stuff for a "fark Republicans" political junkie like me.
 
2014-02-12 01:57:10 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: This new breed of left-wing Republican


There is so much sadness in that. It's like that line:

"the enormous tragedy of the dream in the peasant's bent shoulders."

These people are crazy, want to be crazy, and like being crazy.
 
2014-02-12 02:19:52 PM
incendi: It almost pains me to say it, but....good.

Yeah, it kinda reminds of the LBJ days.  Say what you will about the man - good for championing Civil Rights, evil for the Vietnam War, but friends and enemies alike agreed that he was a virtuoso at operating the levers that controlled the Government.  He could play that stuff like an organ.  One way or another, deals were cut and shiat got done.

/man must be spinning like a turbine, looking at the gridlock and logjams on the Hill these days...
 
2014-02-12 02:34:27 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: incendi: It almost pains me to say it, but....good.

Yeah, it kinda reminds of the LBJ days.  Say what you will about the man - good for championing Civil Rights, evil for the Vietnam War, but friends and enemies alike agreed that he was a virtuoso at operating the levers that controlled the Government.  He could play that stuff like an organ.  One way or another, deals were cut and shiat got done.

/man must be spinning like a turbine, looking at the gridlock and logjams on the Hill these days...


Oh, crap on stilts. LBJ wasn't a genius: he enjoyed humongous majorities, and Republicans were concerned about policy and governance in those days. Not screaming lunacy at the dumbos for the benefit of the fundraisers.
 
2014-02-12 03:54:58 PM
 
2014-02-12 04:55:37 PM
never underestimate the stupidity of yer average Kentucky voter.
 
2014-02-12 04:56:56 PM
Should have happened six years ago. Would have changed everything. But DSCC was too cowardly to put money into the race against the Turtle.
 
2014-02-12 05:22:36 PM
Legalized bribery's best friend in Washington has more money than could ever actually be spent, and will use it. it will be hard to get rid of him. If we can successfully oust him, here's a scary thought! Rand Paul will be the senior Senator from Kentucky.
 
2014-02-12 05:35:31 PM

uncoveror: Legalized bribery's best friend in Washington has more money than could ever actually be spent, and will use it. it will be hard to get rid of him. If we can successfully oust him, here's a scary thought! Rand Paul will be the senior Senator from Kentucky.


Here's a depressing thought: Kentucky was once represented in the Senate by John Sherman Cooper.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:52 PM
yakmans_dad: Oh, crap on stilts. LBJ wasn't a genius: he enjoyed humongous majorities, and Republicans were concerned about policy and governance in those days. Not screaming lunacy at the dumbos for the benefit of the fundraisers.

Never said he was a genius, just that he was skilled in working the system in a way the idjits in Congress cannot even imagine today.  And you are absolutely correct; he was not a genius, and had many characteristics that I loathe.  You are also correct that the playing field was quite different in his day.

But I still have to wonder how different things would be now if we had someone with his experience and skills to to start knocking heads together behind the scenes.  Basically, all I was saying was that someone like LBJ would put up with this bullshiat for one minute, and that he would weep at the lack of governance now.
 
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