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2014-02-12 08:38:30 AM
12 votes:
Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'
2014-02-12 10:02:54 AM
4 votes:
Wine snob here!

Unless someone tells you before hand, 99.99% of wine experts will not be able to tell the difference between a 30 dollar, 50 dollar, 100 dollar, or 1000 dollar bottle of wine.  A lot of the price is based on reputation and knowledge of the brand.

Also, you know damn well people would biatch more if they served more expensive wines.
2014-02-12 09:13:09 AM
4 votes:
LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...
2014-02-12 07:16:21 AM
4 votes:
But did he hold his pinkie out?  Wine snobs.  Not only are they pretentious beyond belief, they're responsible for an entire cultural subset of beer snobs who want to be wine snobs but can't afford wine.  F*ck 'em.  put a case of PBR on ice and turn the game on.
2014-02-12 10:56:12 AM
3 votes:
Obama has been accused by the Washington Examiner of "going down the Costco route."

?

Costco sells really, really expensive wine. It's well-known for it excellent selection of wine.
You can buy $800 bottles of wine at Costco.

Has this guy ever been to a Costco?
2014-02-12 09:35:57 AM
3 votes:

PunGent: nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...

This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...


Yup. They've done numerous studies on this, and in blind taste tests people can't actually tell expensive wines from cheap ones. They've had people rate wine after being told the price, and if people are told a certain wine is expensive, they will rate it more favorably than people tasting the same wine but being told it is cheap. I think I recall that some scientists think it really does taste better to people because they are anticipating it. Whatever the case, price and taste are definately not directly correlated. Now, I'd say you're more likely to find a better bottle in the $10-30 range than $3-5, but once you get above that, you're paying for the bottle rather than the quality of the wine inside.
2014-02-12 09:23:53 AM
3 votes:
Is the President really the guy to blame for the wine at dinner? I assume the White House has a sommelier or something who actually made these decisions.
2014-02-12 09:02:54 AM
3 votes:
One blogger feels he should have spent more? Regardless of the quality of the wine, just the raw cost alone?

Nothing retarded there.
2014-02-12 09:26:05 AM
2 votes:
I've tasted a horizontal (all the same year) of Zinfandel wine from Ravenswood that ran from $7 to over $65 per bottle. In a blind tasting of 5 wines it was the $14 wine that everyone in the room thought was the best. The most expensive came in 4th and the least expensive came in 3rd.

/Cost has nothing to do with quality.
//Your tasting may (will) yield different results
2014-02-12 09:14:00 AM
2 votes:
Note how the blogger or anyone quoted had nothing to say about whether the wine was any good.
2014-02-12 12:19:35 PM
1 votes:
Wait till Fox gets ahold of this.

-  If Obama serves "cheap" wine - Fox News "this is an outrage"

-  If Obama serves "expensive" wine - Fox News "this is an outrage"

Remeber the bullshiat rage about arugula and brown mustard.
2014-02-12 11:23:12 AM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Boozefact:  the French drink a lot of cheap wine, and these are all decent bottles.  Hollande didn't care.


Cheap wine in plastic bottles, no less:

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2014-02-12 11:18:43 AM
1 votes:
Boozefact:  the French drink a lot of cheap wine, and these are all decent bottles.  Hollande didn't care.
2014-02-12 11:15:06 AM
1 votes:
"...they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price."

While technically correct, this usage really grates on my nerves. What's wrong with "without regard to?" Stupid passive voice.

Also, who says the White House's sommelier didn't showcase what he or she considered the best of what America is making...that is also suitable for serving with a red meat main course to a flagrantly cheating bastard of a French president.

Costco route, indeed. They can return the empty bottles later and get a refund. Take that, European austerity measures! Wine for president of France: $0, wine afficionado hemming and hawing: Priceless.
2014-02-12 10:46:40 AM
1 votes:

Coniuratos: Is the President really the guy to blame for the wine at dinner? I assume the White House has a sommelier or something who actually made these decisions.


Mr. Right: JosephFinn: Note how the blogger or anyone quoted had nothing to say about whether the wine was any good.

Bingo.  One has to wonder exactly how much of a wine expert this guy is if his primary criteria is price.

Also, I doubt you can blame Obama or Michelle for the wine.  Obama's involvement was probably limited to "make sure it's American" and Michelle (if she is like most other First Ladies) simply approved the menu that the executive chef presented.  I think that Jacqueline Kennedy was the last First Lady who knew enough about any kind of cuisine or wine to be heavily involved in menu planning and wine selection for an event like a State Dinner.


FTFA: These are odd wines to serve at a state dinner. Obama seems to have made a conscious choice to bring down the price of the wine, which is unfortunate," wine writer Tyler Colman mused on his Dr.Vino blog.

Neither Tyler Colman, Mr.Right, nor Conjuratos were at the dinner. And yet, two of them seem to understand the truth. Unfortunately, it is Mr. Colman who got his "reality" published. Conclusion: Mr. Right and Conjuratos should now be allowed to write the Dr. Vino blog.
2014-02-12 10:15:05 AM
1 votes:

BigNumber12: We produce caviar??


Back in the 19th century caviar was so common in the United States that saloons would give it away free with beer to get people thirsty and make them drink more. Of course we'd nearly wiped out the country's lake sturgeon population by the early 20th century, but there has been a big comeback for several species over the last few decades.
2014-02-12 09:49:35 AM
1 votes:
Carthax:

My wife's aunt is really, really good at finding very tasty bottles of wine for under $10.  One of the best merlots I ever drank cost $4.99 at the liquor store.  One of the worst merlots I ever drank cost $138 at a fancy "Italian" restaurant.

Your wife's aunt should start a blog. I mean that seriously, people would read it if she's good at it. I haven't tasted any good wines that cheap, but I've found good ones for about $9.
2014-02-12 09:46:32 AM
1 votes:
This just in: Fox News reports the wine served at the White House costs $200 Million per bottle!
2014-02-12 09:41:59 AM
1 votes:

farker99: I've tasted a horizontal (all the same year) of Zinfandel wine from Ravenswood that ran from $7 to over $65 per bottle. In a blind tasting of 5 wines it was the $14 wine that everyone in the room thought was the best. The most expensive came in 4th and the least expensive came in 3rd.

/Cost has nothing to do with quality.
//Your tasting may (will) yield different results


"A cynic is someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing."

Or so I've heard.
2014-02-12 09:38:21 AM
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Yeah, just ignore my double negative, it's early.


Oh, Ok, sorry :)
2014-02-12 09:29:05 AM
1 votes:
I particularly like the study where not a single one of the 54 subjects couldn't tell the difference between a red and a white.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070928231853/http://www.academie-amorim .c om/us/laureat_2001/brochet.pdf

It's about halfway down the page.
2014-02-12 09:22:46 AM
1 votes:
Rex Goliath Red Zinfandel, $8/bottle and quite tasty.
2014-02-12 09:16:08 AM
1 votes:

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...


This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...
2014-02-12 09:15:57 AM
1 votes:

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...


Well, I'm sure that for some people, just having the wine be expensive will help trick their brains into thinking it's better.
2014-02-12 09:07:10 AM
1 votes:
For a State Dinner there's a budget.  They don't simply go out and buy the most expensive wine in America; they buy the best in the price range for the meal.  They also (especially if we're entertaining the French) make the extra effort to prove that our food and wine are just as good as theirs (which is pretty much true at this point; it wasn't 50 years ago).

Contrast that with the UK: when the Queen holds a State DInner, she has cellars originally stocked by George III to draw on.  Her annual budget for Moet & Chandon alone is staggering; she gets to buy it from the Home Office who buy it in bulk from the French (and the Home Office has its own cellars which stock all of HM's goverment!).

/Somewhere, deep under London, there's enough booze to float the Queen Mary.
//Also the ship of the same name.
2014-02-12 08:57:19 AM
1 votes:
Wineghazi, or is it Whineghazi?
2014-02-12 08:48:57 AM
1 votes:

Bareefer Obonghit: Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'


Yup. Pretty much this.
2014-02-12 08:00:51 AM
1 votes:
"The three wines served at the dinner - Morlet La Proportion Doree 2011 from the Napa Valley, Chester-Kidder Red Blend 2009 from Washington's Columbia Valley and sparkling wine Thibaut-Janisson Blanc de Chardonnay from Monticello in Virginia had a combined retail price of just $125."

That's not exactly Three-Buck Chuck.
 
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