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2014-02-12 07:16:21 AM  
But did he hold his pinkie out?  Wine snobs.  Not only are they pretentious beyond belief, they're responsible for an entire cultural subset of beer snobs who want to be wine snobs but can't afford wine.  F*ck 'em.  put a case of PBR on ice and turn the game on.
 
2014-02-12 07:35:07 AM  
Telling that no mention of the Ripple or Mad Dog was mentioned.

\Drank
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-12 07:53:12 AM  
It happens.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-12 08:00:51 AM  
"The three wines served at the dinner - Morlet La Proportion Doree 2011 from the Napa Valley, Chester-Kidder Red Blend 2009 from Washington's Columbia Valley and sparkling wine Thibaut-Janisson Blanc de Chardonnay from Monticello in Virginia had a combined retail price of just $125."

That's not exactly Three-Buck Chuck.
 
2014-02-12 08:13:50 AM  
"Given the White House policy of only serving American wines, they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price," he added.


I agree completely.  And as it turns out, I have a bottle of the very best wine America has ever had to offer, and I'm willing to let it go for, say, one billion dollars.
 
2014-02-12 08:38:30 AM  
Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'
 
2014-02-12 08:48:57 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'


Yup. Pretty much this.
 
2014-02-12 08:57:19 AM  
Wineghazi, or is it Whineghazi?
 
2014-02-12 09:00:39 AM  
Another typical lawless offense by this lawless president.

/site blocked at work due to alcohol content
 
2014-02-12 09:02:39 AM  
Pfft! Typical cheese eating surrender monkeys. We don't need Paris to judge our wines.
 
2014-02-12 09:02:54 AM  
One blogger feels he should have spent more? Regardless of the quality of the wine, just the raw cost alone?

Nothing retarded there.
 
2014-02-12 09:03:39 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'


The food was substantially more expensive than the wine.  Is anyone saying that about the food?  No?  Then...no.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:08 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: /site blocked at work due to alcohol content


Dafuq?

Somebody's IT department seems to be on a power trip.

/I should talk
//my work blocks anything to do with games
///I can't show anyone at work anything I used to do.
////slashies
 
2014-02-12 09:07:10 AM  
For a State Dinner there's a budget.  They don't simply go out and buy the most expensive wine in America; they buy the best in the price range for the meal.  They also (especially if we're entertaining the French) make the extra effort to prove that our food and wine are just as good as theirs (which is pretty much true at this point; it wasn't 50 years ago).

Contrast that with the UK: when the Queen holds a State DInner, she has cellars originally stocked by George III to draw on.  Her annual budget for Moet & Chandon alone is staggering; she gets to buy it from the Home Office who buy it in bulk from the French (and the Home Office has its own cellars which stock all of HM's goverment!).

/Somewhere, deep under London, there's enough booze to float the Queen Mary.
//Also the ship of the same name.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:39 AM  
He's saving the good stuff to celebrate his declaration of Marshal Law
 
2014-02-12 09:08:20 AM  
Like they could tell the difference.
 
2014-02-12 09:12:37 AM  
bunner:  they're responsible for an entire cultural subset of beer snobs who want to be wine snobs but can't afford wine.


Yeah, no.
 
2014-02-12 09:12:40 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'


Needs more "elitist" and possibly "uppity."
 
2014-02-12 09:13:09 AM  
LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...
 
2014-02-12 09:14:00 AM  
Note how the blogger or anyone quoted had nothing to say about whether the wine was any good.
 
2014-02-12 09:15:57 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...


Well, I'm sure that for some people, just having the wine be expensive will help trick their brains into thinking it's better.
 
2014-02-12 09:16:08 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...


This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...
 
2014-02-12 09:22:41 AM  
Thibaut-Janisson

This stuff is damned good, especially for Virginia wine.
 
2014-02-12 09:22:46 AM  
Rex Goliath Red Zinfandel, $8/bottle and quite tasty.
 
2014-02-12 09:23:36 AM  

PunGent: nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...

This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...


One of the absolute best wines I've had was a Romanian red that I found in a $3 bargain bin at a local shop. I've never seen it again and I lost the label, so I have no idea what it was. But yeah, Romanian.
 
2014-02-12 09:23:53 AM  
Is the President really the guy to blame for the wine at dinner? I assume the White House has a sommelier or something who actually made these decisions.
 
2014-02-12 09:24:00 AM  
Yes, but how did it taste?
 
2014-02-12 09:26:05 AM  
I've tasted a horizontal (all the same year) of Zinfandel wine from Ravenswood that ran from $7 to over $65 per bottle. In a blind tasting of 5 wines it was the $14 wine that everyone in the room thought was the best. The most expensive came in 4th and the least expensive came in 3rd.

/Cost has nothing to do with quality.
//Your tasting may (will) yield different results
 
2014-02-12 09:29:05 AM  
I particularly like the study where not a single one of the 54 subjects couldn't tell the difference between a red and a white.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070928231853/http://www.academie-amorim .c om/us/laureat_2001/brochet.pdf

It's about halfway down the page.
 
2014-02-12 09:29:51 AM  
I thought we'd grown past valuing wine by the price tag.

Isn't the larger question whether the wine selection was rich / flavorful / aromatic / complex / whatever other stupid adjectives wine aficionados like to use?
 
2014-02-12 09:29:53 AM  
Yeah, just ignore my double negative, it's early.
 
2014-02-12 09:34:40 AM  
I bet arugula was served....and possibly Heinz States 57 Mustard, with a teleprompter.
 
2014-02-12 09:35:16 AM  

bunner: But did he hold his pinkie out?  Wine snobs.  Not only are they pretentious beyond belief, they're responsible for an entire cultural subset of beer snobs who want to be wine snobs but can't afford wine.  F*ck 'em.  put a case of PBR on ice and turn the game on.


I like wine. I drink wine.

I brew beer of many different styles, mouthfeels and alcohol contents.  I can do as much with grain, flavors/spices and yeast as anyone else can do with grapes and yeast.  I can certainly afford decent wine, but I prefer decent beer.

I guarantee you the cost of my beer "snobbery" every year is at least as much as many wine snobs, but I don't biatch if someone hands me a Coors Light, Happy Crappy (only obscure if you've not read the uncut version...), unlike wine snobs, who biatch if their bottle of wine doesn't cost at least $50.
 
2014-02-12 09:35:31 AM  
Unless wine is really one of your passions, a bottle in excess of $40 is probably wasted on you.

Also, there are decent modestly priced wines and mediocre expensive wines.

Now, a $40 bottle in a restaurant is probably a $12 bottle in a store.

I've not had any of the three mentioned, but I'm going to assume that they're decent wine and the snobs should probably get bent.  If they were decanted, and nobody mentioned what they were, there would have likely been rave reviews.
 
2014-02-12 09:35:57 AM  

PunGent: nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...

This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...


Yup. They've done numerous studies on this, and in blind taste tests people can't actually tell expensive wines from cheap ones. They've had people rate wine after being told the price, and if people are told a certain wine is expensive, they will rate it more favorably than people tasting the same wine but being told it is cheap. I think I recall that some scientists think it really does taste better to people because they are anticipating it. Whatever the case, price and taste are definately not directly correlated. Now, I'd say you're more likely to find a better bottle in the $10-30 range than $3-5, but once you get above that, you're paying for the bottle rather than the quality of the wine inside.
 
2014-02-12 09:36:04 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Headline if Obama would have served expensive wine:

'Obama uses tax payer money to fund extravagant wine party for FRENCHman!'


Glad that's been covered.

I mean, look at that biatch eating crackers like he owns the place...
 
2014-02-12 09:36:16 AM  
All aboard! It's the Night Train!
 
2014-02-12 09:37:04 AM  

GDubDub: Pants full of macaroni!!: /site blocked at work due to alcohol content

Dafuq?

Somebody's IT department seems to be on a power trip.

/I should talk
//my work blocks anything to do with games
///I can't show anyone at work anything I used to do.
////slashies


Yeah, the IT department is power tripping.   Its definitely not like they bought some Firewall solution with a subscription and turned up the defaults or gave the check list to HR and Management to ask which categories should be blocked.
 
2014-02-12 09:37:41 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I particularly like the study where not a single one of the 54 subjects couldn't tell the difference between a red and a white.


So you're saying that every single one could tell the difference?
 
2014-02-12 09:38:10 AM  

grokca: Wineghazi, or is it Whineghazi?


It's Whinegazi.

It's Whinegazi all the way down.
 
2014-02-12 09:38:21 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Yeah, just ignore my double negative, it's early.


Oh, Ok, sorry :)
 
2014-02-12 09:38:25 AM  

JosephFinn: Note how the blogger or anyone quoted had nothing to say about whether the wine was any good.


Bingo.  One has to wonder exactly how much of a wine expert this guy is if his primary criteria is price.

Also, I doubt you can blame Obama or Michelle for the wine.  Obama's involvement was probably limited to "make sure it's American" and Michelle (if she is like most other First Ladies) simply approved the menu that the executive chef presented.  I think that Jacqueline Kennedy was the last First Lady who knew enough about any kind of cuisine or wine to be heavily involved in menu planning and wine selection for an event like a State Dinner.
 
2014-02-12 09:39:27 AM  
Look, there were plenty of choices.

www.franzia.com
 
2014-02-12 09:41:18 AM  

ambercat: PunGent: nulluspixiusdemonica: LasersHurt:  Nothing retarded there.

 Aside from the blogger who's entire piece is about the horror of "cheap" wine, but then gets all kerfuffled and blurts out:
"they really should showcase the best of what America is making, irrespective of price"

Thing is, where wine is concerned, price is absolutely meaningless when you're talking flavour. If you're talking over-priced fermented grape-sauce marketed at pretentious dbags, plenty. Taste, nada...

This.  My current favorite is under ten bucks a bottle at Trader Joes, and I've had $150 dollar bottles of wine that impressed me less.

Not everyone's palate is identical...

Yup. They've done numerous studies on this, and in blind taste tests people can't actually tell expensive wines from cheap ones. They've had people rate wine after being told the price, and if people are told a certain wine is expensive, they will rate it more favorably than people tasting the same wine but being told it is cheap. I think I recall that some scientists think it really does taste better to people because they are anticipating it. Whatever the case, price and taste are definately not directly correlated. Now, I'd say you're more likely to find a better bottle in the $10-30 range than $3-5, but once you get above that, you're paying for the bottle rather than the quality of the wine inside.


My wife's aunt is really, really good at finding very tasty bottles of wine for under $10.  One of the best merlots I ever drank cost $4.99 at the liquor store.  One of the worst merlots I ever drank cost $138 at a fancy "Italian" restaurant.
 
2014-02-12 09:41:59 AM  

farker99: I've tasted a horizontal (all the same year) of Zinfandel wine from Ravenswood that ran from $7 to over $65 per bottle. In a blind tasting of 5 wines it was the $14 wine that everyone in the room thought was the best. The most expensive came in 4th and the least expensive came in 3rd.

/Cost has nothing to do with quality.
//Your tasting may (will) yield different results


"A cynic is someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing."

Or so I've heard.
 
2014-02-12 09:43:35 AM  
My dog had no tongue!

pudgyv: Yes, but how did it taste?


Eh, a little gamy.
 
2014-02-12 09:44:47 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I particularly like the study where not a single one of the 54 subjects couldn't tell the difference between a red and a white.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070928231853/http://www.academie-amorim .c om/us/laureat_2001/brochet.pdf

It's about halfway down the page.


It is interesting how they demonstrate that color drives your perception of taste and aroma (hence their footnote that you don't see any colorless syrups on the market anymore?).  That said, my beef with this related to wine is that they don't indicate the wine knowledge of the study participants.

54 random schmoes off the street who are given a list of red descriptors and white descriptors and told to describe the wines in front of them?  I can see it happening.
 
2014-02-12 09:45:52 AM  
What's the word?
 
2014-02-12 09:46:32 AM  
This just in: Fox News reports the wine served at the White House costs $200 Million per bottle!
 
2014-02-12 09:48:24 AM  
The only thing more offensive that effette snobbery is effette wine snobbery .
 
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