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(CNBC)   9 in 10 Americans worry at the thought of riding in a driverless car. Apparently have no problem doing the same in a car where the driver is texting   (cnbc.com) divider line 155
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2014-02-12 08:42:02 AM  
I'll buy the first one I can.
 
2014-02-12 08:43:52 AM  
I just bought a new Taurus that automatically dims its lights at night when I come upon a road sign. It also second-guesses when the wipers ought to be on, which often results in the wipers dragging loudly across a dry windshield. I'm not sure I'd want to see smart technology extended to spontaneous driving decisions.
 
2014-02-12 08:43:52 AM  
I wonder if people will be getting arrested for drinking and not driving. It's sure going to complicate those roadside checkpoints.
 
2014-02-12 08:44:17 AM  
I like to drive. Wouldn't even consider one of these.
 
2014-02-12 08:46:40 AM  

Ooba Tooba: I like to drive. speed, tailgate, and otherwise be dangerous on the road. Wouldn't even consider one of these.

 
2014-02-12 08:47:48 AM  
If you have ever used a computer you should be afraid.
 
2014-02-12 08:47:55 AM  
Agrees

www.technovelgy.com
 
hej
2014-02-12 08:48:09 AM  
I'll worry about driverless cars when they start mowing down mass casualties at a farmers market just before they crash through the front wall of a convenience store.
 
2014-02-12 08:48:27 AM  
I'd like it where local driving is all you, but interstate is all AI. let me sleep/angry bird on long hauls.
 
2014-02-12 08:48:30 AM  
I wouldnt mind it for highway driving but I am a 90%er on this one.
 
2014-02-12 08:49:53 AM  

ElLoco: I wonder if people will be getting arrested for drinking and not driving. It's sure going to complicate those roadside checkpoints.


They'll just make the open container laws more Draconian to cover it
 
2014-02-12 08:50:05 AM  
I wouldn't buy the first driverless car, but the second one will surely be tempting.

/haha, as if anyone in America can afford a car by then!
 
2014-02-12 08:50:24 AM  
I'm more worried about the 65+ age group drivers on the road, honestly.  They're a menace to drivers everywhere.
 
2014-02-12 08:53:33 AM  
I get into this argument all the time, and it always surprises me.  Driverless cars will be one of the largetst technological leaps in decades, in terms of quality of life.  It will allow commuters to work on the road, reduce sleep deprived accidents and DUIs, allow handicapped driving, reduce traffic jams, increase fuel efficiency (from not braking and accelerating as much), allow vacation traveling over night (allowing for increased vacation, or longer weekend trips) and much much more. I can't see why anybody would not want this.

On top of all of this, your car basically drives itself anyway.  The transmission, acceleration, and even braking are now almost all computer driven.  you may think you are "driving" but you are just telling a car how to drive itself.  The only thing that you are contributing is your eyes and sense of direction.  And nowadays, most people aren't even contributing that (i.e. texting, makeup, etc).
 
2014-02-12 08:53:40 AM  

ElLoco: I wonder if people will be getting arrested for drinking and not driving. It's sure going to complicate those roadside checkpoints.


Considering there are those who have been arrested for drunk driving just by being drunk behind the wheel of a parked car, I'd say the police departments don't need to worry about keeping their DUI cash flowing.

That said though I'll admit I'd be a bit nervous about "driving" a driverless car.  But that largely stems from ignorance about the technical details on how they work and how easy it would be to assume control of the vehicle in the event of some sort of malfunction.
 
2014-02-12 08:53:46 AM  

HexMadroom: I'd like it where local driving is all you, but interstate is all AI. let me sleep/angry bird on long hauls.


I'm with you, at least for a few more AI generations.  Too much crap going on during local driving.  The highway's much more predictable (usually).

While 93 percent of those older than 65 said they'd worry about driving in an autonomous vehicle, so did 84 percent of those ages 18 to 34.

They should also ask what percent of those 18 to 34 are worried about drivers older than 65.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:44 AM  
I would love to commute in a self driving car.  I do not have a lot of driving skill and tend to bump into things, so for me it is great.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:47 AM  

hej: I'll worry about driverless cars when they start mowing down mass casualties at a farmers market just before they crash through the front wall of a convenience store.


Well give them a chance! They haven't been widely deployed yet, so they're still patiently biding their time...

/ if only I had a graphic of a car tenting its fingers and grinning
 
2014-02-12 08:54:56 AM  

KeatingFive: Ooba Tooba: I like to drive. speed, tailgate, and otherwise be dangerous on the road. Wouldn't even consider one of these.


You sound scared. Perhaps you should just stay inside today.
 
2014-02-12 08:55:46 AM  
I had two thoughts recently on the driverless cars.

How do they plan on working out large parking lots and places that are temporary parking (like a grass field)?

How quickly do they plan on updating the GPS in these things?  Any new construction seems to take months or more to be included into a map.  The store I work at wasn't on a map until very recently and putting in the address led you to a dead end road.
 
2014-02-12 08:56:52 AM  

plcow: I get into this argument all the time, and it always surprises me.  Driverless cars will be one of the largetst technological leaps in decades, in terms of quality of life.  It will allow commuters to work on the road, reduce sleep deprived accidents and DUIs, allow handicapped driving, reduce traffic jams, increase fuel efficiency (from not braking and accelerating as much), allow vacation traveling over night (allowing for increased vacation, or longer weekend trips) and much much more. I can't see why anybody would not want this.

On top of all of this, your car basically drives itself anyway.  The transmission, acceleration, and even braking are now almost all computer driven.  you may think you are "driving" but you are just telling a car how to drive itself.  The only thing that you are contributing is your eyes and sense of direction.  And nowadays, most people aren't even contributing that (i.e. texting, makeup, etc).


these are the same arguments for rail, and yet for the most part, struggle for ridership.

I like rail, but a lot do not.
 
2014-02-12 08:57:26 AM  
I do hope someone makes a driverless 1958 red Plymouth Fury.
 
2014-02-12 08:57:29 AM  

Molavian: I'm more worried about the 65+ 16+ age group drivers on the road, honestly.  They're a menace to drivers everywhere.

 
2014-02-12 09:01:26 AM  

FapMachine: Molavian: I'm more worried about the 65+ 16+ age group drivers on the road, honestly.  They're a menace to drivers everywhere.


Um, that's all drivers. Everyone legally driving is 16+.

I suppose if the streets were totally empty they'd be perfectly safe, but that's not really saying much.
 
2014-02-12 09:04:51 AM  

HexMadroom: plcow: I get into this argument all the time, and it always surprises me.  Driverless cars will be one of the largetst technological leaps in decades, in terms of quality of life.  It will allow commuters to work on the road, reduce sleep deprived accidents and DUIs, allow handicapped driving, reduce traffic jams, increase fuel efficiency (from not braking and accelerating as much), allow vacation traveling over night (allowing for increased vacation, or longer weekend trips) and much much more. I can't see why anybody would not want this.

On top of all of this, your car basically drives itself anyway.  The transmission, acceleration, and even braking are now almost all computer driven.  you may think you are "driving" but you are just telling a car how to drive itself.  The only thing that you are contributing is your eyes and sense of direction.  And nowadays, most people aren't even contributing that (i.e. texting, makeup, etc).

these are the same arguments for rail, and yet for the most part, struggle for ridership.

I like rail, but a lot do not.


A train can only take you to the train station. A car will take me to work. Hell, a self-driving car could drop me off at the door and go find a parking spot by itself.
 
2014-02-12 09:05:48 AM  

Ooba Tooba: KeatingFive: Ooba Tooba: I like to drive. speed, tailgate, and otherwise be dangerous on the road. Wouldn't even consider one of these.

You sound scared. Perhaps you should just stay inside today.


Yeah, that's what every nutless wonder says. If the rest of us object to your being an asshole, you think we are "scared" of you. Stop your car and get out of it sometime, pussy - and find out if anybody is really scared of your soft, fat, biatch ass.
 
2014-02-12 09:05:58 AM  

HexMadroom: plcow: I get into this argument all the time, and it always surprises me.  Driverless cars will be one of the largetst technological leaps in decades, in terms of quality of life.  It will allow commuters to work on the road, reduce sleep deprived accidents and DUIs, allow handicapped driving, reduce traffic jams, increase fuel efficiency (from not braking and accelerating as much), allow vacation traveling over night (allowing for increased vacation, or longer weekend trips) and much much more. I can't see why anybody would not want this.

On top of all of this, your car basically drives itself anyway.  The transmission, acceleration, and even braking are now almost all computer driven.  you may think you are "driving" but you are just telling a car how to drive itself.  The only thing that you are contributing is your eyes and sense of direction.  And nowadays, most people aren't even contributing that (i.e. texting, makeup, etc).

these are the same arguments for rail, and yet for the most part, struggle for ridership.

I like rail, but a lot do not.


Rail goes between a handful of select destinations, which can still leave riders walking for miles. It's not very liberating.
An automated car is more like doorstep to doorstep taxi service. A personal chauffeur that's always on call.

Of course it won't start out that way. The first auto driving systems will not be entirely reliable and demand that the car has a driver. You'll be responsible for what your car does, so no playing angry birds while driving yet.
If the technology proves itself, and people accept that cars drive better than humans, then it will be acceptable to put a five year old behind the wheel and send the family sedan hurtling to daycare on its own.

But we're probably talking decades at best, and there's bound to be a few hiccups along the way.
 
2014-02-12 09:06:10 AM  
I don't know why the scientists make them.
 
2014-02-12 09:07:34 AM  

markfara: I just bought a new Taurus that automatically dims its lights at night when I come upon a road sign. It also second-guesses when the wipers ought to be on, which often results in the wipers dragging loudly across a dry windshield. I'm not sure I'd want to see smart technology extended to spontaneous driving decisions.


My Nissan has "intelligent" wipers. They want to wipe at warp speed during a drizzle, and delay a second or two during a downpour.

I'll wait for v2 or beyond, thanks.
 
2014-02-12 09:08:08 AM  

markfara: I just bought a new Taurus


You lost me there. I thought every Taurus I saw was a fleet purchase. Like a Malibu.
 
2014-02-12 09:08:14 AM  

HexMadroom: I'd like it where local driving is all you, but interstate is all AI. let me sleep/angry bird on long hauls.


I 100% agree with this one. I would, however, like to have the option of driver assist, full auto, or full manual. I even hate the fact that ABS, stability control, and traction control do their thing whether you like it or not. I love having this stuff when I need it, but I want to be able to program, tweak, or override it. ABS is a menace unless it's absolutely necessary, but when it is, you've got to have it.

I also wouldn't like to have a full-auto car in town or near busy interchanges until everyone else does, too. No AI can predict how other morons are going to drive like a human can.
 
2014-02-12 09:09:29 AM  
It'll be a joint venture: EA will handle the AI; Microsoft will do the user interface; and Apple will do the road mapping.
 
2014-02-12 09:11:42 AM  

jso2897: Ooba Tooba: KeatingFive: Ooba Tooba: I like to drive. speed, tailgate, and otherwise be dangerous on the road. Wouldn't even consider one of these.

You sound scared. Perhaps you should just stay inside today.

Yeah, that's what every nutless wonder says. If the rest of us object to your being an asshole, you think we are "scared" of you. Stop your car and get out of it sometime, pussy - and find out if anybody is really scared of your soft, fat, biatch ass.


Wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg
 
2014-02-12 09:12:10 AM  
I like riding a horse. Nobody will ever buy one of those newfangled automowhatsits.
 
2014-02-12 09:12:20 AM  

TopoGigo: HexMadroom: I'd like it where local driving is all you, but interstate is all AI. let me sleep/angry bird on long hauls.

I 100% agree with this one. I would, however, like to have the option of driver assist, full auto, or full manual. I even hate the fact that ABS, stability control, and traction control do their thing whether you like it or not. I love having this stuff when I need it, but I want to be able to program, tweak, or override it. ABS is a menace unless it's absolutely necessary, but when it is, you've got to have it.

I also wouldn't like to have a full-auto car in town or near busy interchanges until everyone else does, too. No AI can predict how other morons are going to drive like a human can.


I think we have to build "smart roads" to make "smart cars" work. That having been said, it will be done - but it is going to be a tough emotional sell - it will take a couple of generations.
 
2014-02-12 09:13:45 AM  
This is one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas.
 
2014-02-12 09:14:03 AM  

Z-clipped: jso2897: Ooba Tooba: KeatingFive: Ooba Tooba: I like to drive. speed, tailgate, and otherwise be dangerous on the road. Wouldn't even consider one of these.

You sound scared. Perhaps you should just stay inside today.

Yeah, that's what every nutless wonder says. If the rest of us object to your being an asshole, you think we are "scared" of you. Stop your car and get out of it sometime, pussy - and find out if anybody is really scared of your soft, fat, biatch ass.

Wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg


Hey, I'm not the one who raised the subject of other people being "afraid" in a formerly civil discussion - he did - I simply addressed the issue he raised.
 
2014-02-12 09:15:00 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas.


On an emotional level, so do I - but our grandkids won't.
 
2014-02-12 09:15:29 AM  
I'm curios to see if auto insurance companies will be allowed to continue its mandatory raping once the controls are given to the computer.
 
2014-02-12 09:15:30 AM  

plcow: I can't see why anybody would not want this


Because autonomous vehicles are bound to be slow and dim witted, forcing a poorly trained driver to take over at the worst possible moment?
 
2014-02-12 09:18:30 AM  

jso2897: I think we have to build "smart roads" to make "smart cars" work. That having been said, it will be done - but it is going to be a tough emotional sell - it will take a couple of generations.


True on the smart roads, but I disagree on the generations. The younger people care less and less about driving, or what kind of car they get. They are all about being social, and anything that facilitates more of that in a safe and efficient manner will be a pretty high priority. It's pretty stupid thinking about the remedial kinds of things we make our cars do (like the finding a spot and parking mentioned above) -- they're a prime target for automation.
 
2014-02-12 09:19:12 AM  
Eh, I've been totalled twice in five years by idiot human drivers; I'm willing to give the robots a chance to kill me.
 
2014-02-12 09:21:43 AM  
Even if the new cars stage a robot rebellion and adopt the motto "KILL ALL HUMANS", they'll be less dangerous than a highly medicated old woman in an SUV (which is 90% of the traffic around here).

I'm in!
 
2014-02-12 09:22:16 AM  
You know what would happen when the percentage of drivers in autonomous vehicles goes up over 50%?  The hoons then have free reign to turn the freeway into a race course since the autonomous vehicles will all automatically move out of their way.

I imagine one of those cars would look something like this:

www.madmaxmovies.com
 
2014-02-12 09:24:27 AM  

plcow: I get into this argument all the time, and it always surprises me.  Driverless cars will be one of the largetst technological leaps in decades, in terms of quality of life.  It will allow commuters to work on the road, reduce sleep deprived accidents and DUIs, allow handicapped driving, reduce traffic jams, increase fuel efficiency (from not braking and accelerating as much), allow vacation traveling over night (allowing for increased vacation, or longer weekend trips) and much much more. I can't see why anybody would not want this.

On top of all of this, your car basically drives itself anyway.  The transmission, acceleration, and even braking are now almost all computer driven.  you may think you are "driving" but you are just telling a car how to drive itself.  The only thing that you are contributing is your eyes and sense of direction.  And nowadays, most people aren't even contributing that (i.e. texting, makeup, etc).


This has been my thought/argument too.

-No more 2 hour flights that include getting to the airport 1.5 hrs early, going through screening, picking up a rental car in your destination and finally getting to where you are going 5+ hours after you leave.  Just hop in the car when it's bed time and wake up at your destination at 8 AM.

-Tired of the kids distracting you in the back seat while you're driving?  Well now you can actually turn your seat around and spend time with them while you are in the car with them, no more DVDs or sing alongs to keep them occupied.

-Long commute?  Just sleep during your commute so you have more time at home.

-Can't find parking and you need to run into a store?  Just tell your car to drive around block until you are done.

I realize we are a long ways from that type of reality but when it gets here it will be glorious.  And everyone afraid of computer glitches and the like must not realize how dangerous human drivers really are.
 
2014-02-12 09:24:34 AM  
Went looking for a specific image reference and found Johnny Cab t-shirts

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2014-02-12 09:25:18 AM  

jso2897: Marcus Aurelius: This is one of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas.

On an emotional level, so do I - but our grandkids won't.


I have owned many vehicles in my life, and without exception, at some point a sensor will fail.  That's perfectly OK when a human is operating the vehicle.  But if a computer is relying on it for navigation, in the best of circumstances you're stranded.

When a computer driven car can beat the Stig around the Top Gear test track, I'll start to believe the technology is viable.
 
2014-02-12 09:28:37 AM  

markfara: I just bought a new Taurus that automatically dims its lights at night when I come upon a road sign. It also second-guesses when the wipers ought to be on, which often results in the wipers dragging loudly across a dry windshield. I'm not sure I'd want to see smart technology extended to spontaneous driving decisions.


----------------------------

Okay let's see here, the difference between a FORD TAURUS with a couple of sensors to detect if wet =return true, activate wipers vs a driverless car that has logged hundreds of thousands  of miles testing the concept before it even can be real world tested and in those hundreds of thousands of miles logged hasn't had a single mistake? yeah those are the same.
 
2014-02-12 09:30:10 AM  

SideshowSideswipe: a driverless car that has logged hundreds of thousands of miles testing the concept before it even can be real world tested and in those hundreds of thousands of miles logged hasn't had a single mistake


Call me when they make one of those.
 
2014-02-12 09:30:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I have owned many vehicles in my life, and without exception, at some point a sensor will fail.  That's perfectly OK when a human is operating the vehicle.  But if a computer is relying on it for navigation, in the best of circumstances you're stranded.


[beep] "Navigation sensor failed. Please take control of the wheel within 5 seconds or the car will automatically pull over and park."

Oh, I'm sorry, you thought this was a legitimate complaint?
 
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