manimal2878: My wide made me be here?
the801: 1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later. 4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system.
Jim_Callahan: Lapdance: My version of Disconnected:Kitchen Phone Rings - "Who the Hell is Bothering me Now!"Yeah, a phone that has Wires! It has an Answering Machine in it. If I'm not home, guess what, Tough!We're all very happy for you that you have a job low enough on the social/income ladder that it never involves being on call, and somewhat sad for you that you don't have enough friends to justify being on the same communications regime as the rest of the world.The rest of us pretty much need a cell in order to function in the modern world. Good job on somehow turning being poor and/or poorly prepared to deal with basic life challenges into something to brag about, though, I'm sure that'll do well by you as soon as you manage to find some hipsters that are also octogenarians for your social circle. I recommend learning checkers.
the801: 4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system.
the801: 51.The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern society an individual's loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system.
dragonchild: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8139093/89228293#c89228293" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</strong> <em>Sorry, but most of the people you interact with on a daily basis are farking boring. It's not their fault they can't bring up something your interested in talking about in 0.1 seconds. Most likley they don't have the right answer to your question anyway because the data was never crawled and returns 404. Real world relationships will be more about sustaining your non real world life as we move forward.</em>I see your point, but careful where you're pointing that finger. I've seen situations where people were absolutely <em>surrounded</em> with stimuli and were bored for <em>lack of effort</em>. Case in point: The library. Most people say "it's boring", which is the most preposterous thing to say in such a place. Now, I'm not a library-going sort -- I think I once read a book back in 1988 -- but even I know that all the entertainment is sitting on the shelves and <em>that's what it's there for</em>. And last time I went to the library, it didn't take me much time to find a book to pass the time. Unless you're brain-dead, odds are at least one book should pique your interest, but people are really expecting to be entertained, like a stripper-cake is just going to roll in because you're there.That said, you are right. Most people are boring, and technology hasn't changed that -- it's just made it more apparent. I worked in a sales office in a prior gig; outside sales more than any other job still goes with good old-fashioned wining-and-dining whenever they can but holy smeg, outside of business it's always the same three conversations at a goddamn steakhouse. These people are taking the effort to be around each other even after all the customer meetings are done for the day and I'd <em>much</em> rather be at home playing video games. Not to mention, i ...
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