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(NPR)   In the midst of increased connectivity, are we becoming more disconnected from one another - and ourselves?   (npr.org) divider line 72
    More: Obvious, Swarthmore College, Sherry Turkle, Chronicle of Higher Education  
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2014-02-12 12:18:27 AM
If the people you are with or the event you are attending are not important enough to command your attention, then: Why. Are. You. There?

Excellent question.
 
2014-02-12 12:48:06 AM
There will always be a substantial number of people who are disconnected from themselves and others no matter the circumstances or the technology

/we call them Republicans
 
2014-02-12 01:21:44 AM
Hopefully. I don't really care for any of you and I'm no grand prize either.
 
2014-02-12 02:22:09 AM

fusillade762: If the people you are with or the event you are attending are not important enough to command your attention, then: Why. Are. You. There?

Excellent question.


"because they're paying me quite nicely"?
 
2014-02-12 02:38:29 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Hopefully. I don't really care for any of you and I'm no grand prize either.


What? Were you saying something?
 
2014-02-12 02:38:35 AM
Sorry...We got disconnected.
 
2014-02-12 02:40:38 AM
Just in time for the Olympics, something about water and a reflection!
 
2014-02-12 02:41:13 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Hopefully. I don't really care for any of you and I'm no grand prize either.


Must. Not. Be. Snarky.
 
2014-02-12 02:45:58 AM
I've been to paradise, but I've never been to me.
 
2014-02-12 02:47:57 AM
I became overstimulated with electronics in the early 2000's.  It took a few years to adjust but by 2007 I had found a nice balance.   I developed some good habits and enjoy having a lot of space from people.
It will take a lot of time for everyone else to develop some good habits. At some point there will be clearly defined cultural rules which will keep it in check.
 
2014-02-12 02:50:51 AM
I attend meetups where handbrains are only used for referrence purposes. Otherwise we'd be doing a foodie restaurant just to be foodies.
 
2014-02-12 02:51:04 AM
"We ARE the Internet."

\Marshall McLuhan,,,, call your office....
 
2014-02-12 02:52:56 AM
Huh? What are you gettinat? I couldn't pay attention between my laptop, iPad, two phones, television, radio, and the yapping from some broad with a ring on her finger. And I think I have a kid...somewhere...
 
2014-02-12 02:53:42 AM
Oh no I'm connecting with people who aren't you the stranger who is in my immediate vicinity.  Protip: long before Facebook, or Twitter, or texting, or even owning a cell phone, I was avoiding random encounters.  Now that I do have the ability, I connect with my friends a lot more than I had in the past.

As an aside I didn't even have to click to find out Linton was a boomer so I'm rolling my eyes at this veiled stab at Millennials.  It's like all boomers do now that they've forgotten that they're supposed to be picking on Gen X.  Yeah man let's all drop some acid and connect with each other just like we did in the 70's.  Maybe we can join a cult or something, that's super duper social.

tl;dr olds are befuddled by what the crazy kids are doing these days, take ten.
 
2014-02-12 02:56:50 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Hopefully. I don't really care for any of you and I'm no grand prize either.


I agree. You people suck on ice.
 
2014-02-12 02:58:22 AM
Yeah, well, I have avoidant personality disorder, so go pound sand.
 
2014-02-12 02:59:39 AM
It's bullshiat.  We're more connected than ever.  The internet just gives us confirmation that we didn't want to know these people anyway.
 
2014-02-12 03:03:19 AM
Get this with the GF a lot.  We can be sitting in the same room for 3 or 4 hours and most of that time will be spent with her messaging friends and family and commenting and liking stuff on FB.  I'm young enough that I recognize that it's not totally a bad thing.  It's nice to be able to keep in touch with people you don't see in person regularly and helps to keep friendships alive that might have died out without that technology.  On the other hand, I question why if these people were so important to each other they can never meet to talk.  Especially when a lot of them live less than 10 miles away.

Mostly it's just frustrating being right there, a real flesh and blood person, and coming second place to a tiny glowing screen.  And some might say that if we actually had more to talk about with each other it wouldn't be a problem.  And they'd probably be partly right.  But the problem is, when the technology isn't there it forces the people to find stuff to talk about.  When it's there it makes it too easy for one party to get lazy and not make the effort.

/Rant over
//Doesn't hate technology
///Loves lots of technology and has a smart phone
//Dislikes what technology does to people
 
2014-02-12 03:06:20 AM
Yes and no; I've had a hell of a time meeting people since moving to the boonies, but have been able to keep up with friends and family online. Conversely, the fact that I hate leaving my house (because pants, ya'll) and the internet enabling communication has possibly curtailed much chance of meeting new people here. I've met a few, almost all THROUGH the internet, but they all moved away too (because it's the boonies).

Sigh.

Back to civilization soon, at least.
 
2014-02-12 03:08:25 AM
imagizer.imageshack.us
/Seems appropriate.
 
2014-02-12 03:13:29 AM
Answer TFA wants its readers to believe because it's concern-trolling/fear-mongering: Yes.

Actual answer: No, and if you thought people were genuinely interested in your bullshiat instead of phasing it out whilst nodding politely and thinking about other, better people long before they had smart-phones to dick around on, you're an idiot.  Especially if, like the author of TFA, you're clearly a boring person with nothing real to contribute to any given conversation.

Bonus answer for the sarcastic person:  Η νεολαία μας αγαπήσει τώρα πολυτέλεια. Έχουν κακούς τρόπους, περιφρόνηση για την εξουσία; Δείχνουν έλλειψη σεβασμού για τους μεγαλύτερούς τους και την αγάπη φλυαρία στη θέση της άσκησης; Έχουν πλέον αυξηθεί κατά γέροντες εισέλθουν στην αίθουσα; Έρχονται σε αντίθεση με τους γονείς τους, φλυαρία πριν εταιρεία? Καταβροχθίζω το φαγητό τους και να τυραννούν τους δασκάλους τους .

// I'm sure the grammar is farked, I'm lazy and used google translate.
 
2014-02-12 03:19:13 AM
"uhh i don't need uhhh anybody...because i've learned, i've learned to be alone... " take two.
 
2014-02-12 03:24:15 AM

MaliFinn: It's bullshiat.  We're more connected than ever.  The internet just gives us confirmation that we didn't want to know these people anyway.


This. In spades.
 
2014-02-12 03:31:12 AM

The sound of one hand clapping: Get this with the GF a lot.  We can be sitting in the same room for 3 or 4 hours and most of that time will be spent with her messaging friends and family and commenting and liking stuff on FB.  I'm young enough that I recognize that it's not totally a bad thing.  It's nice to be able to keep in touch with people you don't see in person regularly and helps to keep friendships alive that might have died out without that technology.  On the other hand, I question why if these people were so important to each other they can never meet to talk.  Especially when a lot of them live less than 10 miles away.

Mostly it's just frustrating being right there, a real flesh and blood person, and coming second place to a tiny glowing screen.  And some might say that if we actually had more to talk about with each other it wouldn't be a problem.  And they'd probably be partly right.  But the problem is, when the technology isn't there it forces the people to find stuff to talk about.  When it's there it makes it too easy for one party to get lazy and not make the effort.

/Rant over
//Doesn't hate technology
///Loves lots of technology and has a smart phone
//Dislikes what technology does to people


I think thats the point where you just say "Fark it" get up and leave.
 
2014-02-12 03:35:23 AM
I don't see the problem - if everyone is busy looking at their phones/tablets/laptops, then I essentially have the world to myself.

/Also, the new terrorism will be putting up signal jammers and setting up a loud bomb somewhere.
//Lack of connection/lack of information + boom = fear
 
2014-02-12 04:07:26 AM
 Increased connectivity = more ways to escape boring people around you.

Sorry, but most of the people you interact with on a daily basis are farking boring. It's not their fault they can't bring up something your interested in talking about in 0.1 seconds. Most likley they don't have the right answer to your question anyway because the data was never crawled and returns 404. Real world relationships will be more about sustaining your non real world life as we move forward.

Until we become machine.

The internet is everything.
 
2014-02-12 04:11:35 AM

Theory Of Null: Increased connectivity = more ways to escape boring people around you.

Sorry, but most of the people you interact with on a daily basis are farking boring. It's not their fault they can't bring up something your interested in talking about in 0.1 seconds. Most likley they don't have the right answer to your question anyway because the data was never crawled and returns 404. Real world relationships will be more about sustaining your non real world life as we move forward.

Until we become machine.

The internet is everything.


i391.photobucket.com

/agrees
 
2014-02-12 04:25:25 AM

ladyfortuna: <strong><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8139093/89228293#c89228293" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</strong> <em>Increased connectivity = more ways to escape boring people around you.

Sorry, but most of the people you interact with on a daily basis are farking boring. It's not their fault they can't bring up something your interested in talking about in 0.1 seconds. Most likley they don't have the right answer to your question anyway because the data was never crawled and returns 404. Real world relationships will be more about sustaining your non real world life as we move forward.

Until we become machine.

The internet is everything.</em>

<img src="http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/rocbayne1980/laughingman _zps3992f0e5.jpg" width="237" height="213">

/agrees


Beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFUWmoXf-2M , isn't it?
 
2014-02-12 04:30:40 AM
If Marshall McLuhan were alive he'd find all of this exceedingly amusing.

/and then he'd write a big, complex book about it
//and then a follow up book explaining that book
 
2014-02-12 04:35:50 AM
A friend said it best: "I sit here, the computer and I, until only the computer remains." Such optimism.
 
2014-02-12 04:41:15 AM

Frederf: A friend said it best: "I sit here, the computer and I, until only the computer remains." Such optimism.


I kind of love that.
 
2014-02-12 05:03:03 AM
Theory Of Null:

Beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFUWmoXf-2M , isn't it?

Pretty much.
 
2014-02-12 05:13:54 AM
My version of Disconnected:

Kitchen Phone Rings - "Who the Hell is Bothering me Now!"

Yeah, a phone that has Wires! It has an Answering Machine in it. If I'm not home, guess what, Tough!
 
2014-02-12 05:21:08 AM

Lapdance: My version of Disconnected:

Kitchen Phone Rings - "Who the Hell is Bothering me Now!"

Yeah, a phone that has Wires! It has an Answering Machine in it. If I'm not home, guess what, Tough!


We're all very happy for you that you have a job low enough on the social/income ladder that it never involves being on call, and somewhat sad for you that you don't have enough friends to justify being on the same communications regime as the rest of the world.

The rest of us pretty much need a cell in order to function in the modern world.  Good job on somehow turning being poor and/or poorly prepared to deal with basic life challenges into something to brag about, though, I'm sure that'll do well by you as soon as you manage to find some hipsters that are also octogenarians for your social circle.  I recommend learning checkers.
 
2014-02-12 05:35:50 AM
Not Poor, Old!

If you have a Job where people are calling you Incessantly or at Home, you've got the Wrong Job!

I'm not Married to the Goddamn phone. I have a cell phone though. I make the Co. pay for it on my Exp acct. When I go home, it's Off!
 
2014-02-12 05:50:50 AM
Call me old fashioned, but social networking for me is simply getting the fark outside. Internet's fun, but a lot of the time, it's like a cross between a library and a dumpster.
 
2014-02-12 05:54:25 AM
Not a new phenomena.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-12 05:56:35 AM

Jim_Callahan: Lapdance: My version of Disconnected:

Kitchen Phone Rings - "Who the Hell is Bothering me Now!"

Yeah, a phone that has Wires! It has an Answering Machine in it. If I'm not home, guess what, Tough!

We're all very happy for you that you have a job low enough on the social/income ladder that it never involves being on call, and somewhat sad for you that you don't have enough friends to justify being on the same communications regime as the rest of the world.

The rest of us pretty much need a cell in order to function in the modern world.  Good job on somehow turning being poor and/or poorly prepared to deal with basic life challenges into something to brag about, though, I'm sure that'll do well by you as soon as you manage to find some hipsters that are also octogenarians for your social circle.  I recommend learning checkers.


This post is a bit mean-spirited. Who would go from a discussion of communication, identity, and technology and take it to an invective focused on poverty and worth and employment. I mean, what culture would produce such a mind? From where might that individual hail?
 
2014-02-12 05:58:37 AM

The sound of one hand clapping: Get this with the GF a lot.  We can be sitting in the same room for 3 or 4 hours and most of that time will be spent with her messaging friends and family and commenting and liking stuff on FB.  I'm young enough that I recognize that it's not totally a bad thing.  It's nice to be able to keep in touch with people you don't see in person regularly and helps to keep friendships alive that might have died out without that technology.  On the other hand, I question why if these people were so important to each other they can never meet to talk.  Especially when a lot of them live less than 10 miles away.

Mostly it's just frustrating being right there, a real flesh and blood person, and coming second place to a tiny glowing screen.  And some might say that if we actually had more to talk about with each other it wouldn't be a problem.  And they'd probably be partly right.  But the problem is, when the technology isn't there it forces the people to find stuff to talk about.  When it's there it makes it too easy for one party to get lazy and not make the effort.

/Rant over
//Doesn't hate technology
///Loves lots of technology and has a smart phone
//Dislikes what technology does to people


Both of us work at home, and my SO's FB actually provides frequent conversation fodder, as in "Did you see this story about. . . ?" or "Did you hear about. . . ?"

I don't have an FB account myself, because I don't care what my High School acquaintances and their bratty kids are up to, at least not on an hourly basis. Having it in the house does, indirectly, help keep me abreast of what's going on in the world, though.
 
2014-02-12 05:59:03 AM
And WTF is a Social Circle? Is that like a Circle Jerk? Who needs it? Not Self Sufficient Huh?
Years ago a kid showed me his "Website" on the PC at work. I DID websites with Dreamweaver back in the 90's till around 2003 till it wasn't Fun for me anymore and I got Tired of it. I told him his My Space page was trash! Also had to tell those kids to stop pointing stuff out on the PC screens. They weren't Touch Screens they didn't have those yet and they were getting their grubby fingerprints all over them. People in my Co across the US know everyone's Business Hours. No one calls Anyone after hours, it's just Wrong and Nothing is that Important that you can't handle in the next AM. One friend I has Texts me almost every day, told him to cut it out, If he wants to talk to me, he can Call me. I type stuff on the PC or Laptop for E-mail, not on the little phone. There is No Need to be in Constant touch with anyone and everyone. Of course you don't know about that, we did Fine for years with Dial phones and Wires.
 
2014-02-12 06:00:10 AM

Flint Ironstag: [imagizer.imageshack.us image 500x479]
/Seems appropriate.


So is this little bit of futurism from 100 years ago
s29.postimg.org
Nails it.
 
2014-02-12 06:08:21 AM
 

Jim_Callahan: Lapdance:  My version of Disconnected:

Kitchen Phone Rings - "Who the Hell is Bothering me Now!"

Yeah, a phone that has Wires! It has an Answering Machine in it. If I'm not home, guess what, Tough!

We're all very happy for you that you have a job low enough on the social/income ladder that it never involves being on call, and somewhat sad for you that you don't have enough friends to justify being on the same communications regime as the rest of the world.

The rest of us pretty much need a cell in order to function in the modern world.  Good job on somehow turning being poor and/or poorly prepared to deal with basic life challenges into something to brag about, though, I'm sure that'll do well by you as soon as you manage to find some hipsters that are also octogenarians for your social circle.  I recommend learning checkers.


Oh, Jim, you sound like you have LOTS of friends. Don't let us keep you... (more'n 26 minutes)

Preferred media, in order:
1) In person. If I like you, we'll see each other within the month. Probably over a meal.
2) E-mail. Checked twice daily.
3) Call or leave a message on the land line.  If we're having sex, nobody's picking up. We'll get back to you whenever.

This system has worked out pretty well so far, even in emergencies.
 
2014-02-12 06:13:33 AM
No we are not.. old people have been saying this shiat since the farking Romans.
 
2014-02-12 06:44:05 AM

fusillade762: If the people you are with or the event you are attending are not important enough to command your attention, then: Why. Are. You. There?

Excellent question.


I'm not there. I'm watching your video of the event.
 
2014-02-12 07:13:47 AM
I hate most people, and the ones I'm forced to deal with are generally petty vindictive hateful cocks. So I'm OK with this.

Those of us who were online in the 90s before it all got big have pretty much learned how to partition our real and virtual lives by now - or not. If you took away my internet and gave me a pile of books I think I'd manage to adjust back to my old state pretty quickly.
 
2014-02-12 07:14:25 AM

Old enough to know better: The sound of one hand clapping: Get this with the GF a lot.  We can be sitting in the same room for 3 or 4 hours and most of that time will be spent with her messaging friends and family and commenting and liking stuff on FB.  I'm young enough that I recognize that it's not totally a bad thing.  It's nice to be able to keep in touch with people you don't see in person regularly and helps to keep friendships alive that might have died out without that technology.  On the other hand, I question why if these people were so important to each other they can never meet to talk.  Especially when a lot of them live less than 10 miles away.

Mostly it's just frustrating being right there, a real flesh and blood person, and coming second place to a tiny glowing screen.  And some might say that if we actually had more to talk about with each other it wouldn't be a problem.  And they'd probably be partly right.  But the problem is, when the technology isn't there it forces the people to find stuff to talk about.  When it's there it makes it too easy for one party to get lazy and not make the effort.

/Rant over
//Doesn't hate technology
///Loves lots of technology and has a smart phone
//Dislikes what technology does to people

I think thats the point where you just say "Fark it" get up and leave.


If this were a common occurrence I'd just leave. Young people seem to find this acceptable, to me it's rude.
 
2014-02-12 07:29:58 AM

Theory Of Null: Sorry, but most of the people you interact with on a daily basis are farking boring. It's not their fault they can't bring up something your interested in talking about in 0.1 seconds. Most likley they don't have the right answer to your question anyway because the data was never crawled and returns 404. Real world relationships will be more about sustaining your non real world life as we move forward.


I see your point, but careful where you're pointing that finger.  I've seen situations where people were absolutely surrounded with stimuli and were bored for lack of effort.  Case in point:  The library.  Most people say "it's boring", which is the most preposterous thing to say in such a place.  Now, I'm not a library-going sort -- I think I once read a book back in 1988 -- but even I know that all the entertainment is sitting on the shelves and that's what it's there for.  And last time I went to the library, it didn't take me much time to find a book to pass the time.  Unless you're brain-dead, odds are at least one book should pique your interest, but people are really expecting to be entertained, like a stripper-cake is just going to roll in because you're there.

That said, you are right.  Most people are boring, and technology hasn't changed that -- it's just made it more apparent.  I worked in a sales office in a prior gig; outside sales more than any other job still goes with good old-fashioned wining-and-dining whenever they can but holy smeg, outside of business it's always the same three conversations at a goddamn steakhouse.  These people are taking the effort to be around each other even after all the customer meetings are done for the day and I'd much rather be at home playing video games.  Not to mention, it took me almost two decades to realize that "how ya doin'" was not a question but a formality equivalent to "hello" and I'm supposed to answer with a flat "good" whether I'd just won the lottery or was three seconds from putting a bullet through the roof of my mouth.  They're not interested in me, I'm not interested in them, and technology has jack to do with it.  Society can go fark itself.

My ultimate escape is the anime convention I volunteer at.  Talk about a gathering of peers. . . Some random guy just sits down next to me while I'm decompressing from a shift and next thing you know we're an hour into a conversation on the evolution of tropes.  It's a few days a year when my faith in humanity is restored, then I go back to the world that sucks.
 
2014-02-12 07:33:13 AM
you people suck. electronic devices won't cheat on you.

/yet
 
2014-02-12 07:41:28 AM

fusillade762: If the people you are with or the event you are attending are not important enough to command your attention, then: Why. Are. You. There?

Excellent question.


My wide made me be here?
 
2014-02-12 07:43:32 AM
I'm okay with becoming a Snow Crash-esque gargoyle. My reasons are this: I love information and get a level of elation from learning. The more information I have and the faster I obtain it, the happier I am. I don't have anything against 99.9% of humans, but I really think a lot, and have many questions all the time. Info junkie, I guess.
 
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