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(WWSB ABC 7)   Grandma complains that her little snowflake is being publicly shamed at school by not getting the same reward that other students earned   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 82
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2014-02-12 07:10:08 AM  
Florida?  Check.
6 year old in Kindergarten?   Check.
Grandmother, not mother, advocating for child?   Check.

Sounds like someone failed badly (pole/meth/jail) with their daughter, probably by divorcing their actions from consequences and now wants to make the world perfect for crotchloaf jr by repeating the same mistakes.
 
2014-02-12 07:23:38 AM  

ArmednHammered: squirrelflavoredyogurt: maram500: Have we reached the point where it is not only acceptable but responsible behavior to slap the shiat out of parents who act like this?

If by "slap" you mean "punch in the genitals repeatedly, until they can no longer produce offspring", I'm with you.

Use a 4x4 wrapped in rusty barbed wire and you've got my vote.
/I know parents like this, they're farking enabling morans.
//but my snowflake is special!!!


a 4x4? for god's sake, what are you the Big Show?
unless you meant a ford.
 
2014-02-12 07:40:46 AM  
I would guess the school probably didn't think such an award would lead to the scarlet letter effect, but it does.  I remember when I was in school, if you were on the honor roll you got to go to a special breakfast once or twice a year.  I think thats better because it didn't change the rules anybody had to follow, it just gave you something nice and an excuse to get out of class and eat pancakes.
 
2014-02-12 07:42:19 AM  
MemeSlave: ...wants to make the world perfect for crotchloaf jr by repeating the same mistakes.

you speak truth, oh sage.

/and the child will turn out exactly like the failed parent because of it, if not worse
 
2014-02-12 07:43:08 AM  

shintochick: What I'd be curious to know is if the parents knew ahead of time that the kid didn't qualify for the reward and sent her in regular clothes anyhow. If they did know then they set her up for any humiliation she felt. If they didn't know then that is some piss poor communication going on by the school, the parents or both.


If you're curious, read the article. They explicitly explain what happened.
 
2014-02-12 08:01:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: squirrelflavoredyogurt: maram500: Have we reached the point where it is not only acceptable but responsible behavior to slap the shiat out of parents who act like this?

If by "slap" you mean "punch in the genitals repeatedly, until they can no longer produce offspring", I'm with you.

It's a grandmother, so "slapping until her eyeballs fall out" might be an alternative.


Grandmother is also a child psychologist. Go figure.
 
2014-02-12 08:04:20 AM  

gfid: swingerofbirches: Second, a child isn't a "snowflake" because she has an advocate for her welfare in life. Would it be better if no one in her life cared that she was crying at school?

She's 6.  Without her stupid grandmother, she would have forgotten about this by now but since grandmother is making a huge deal out of it, she'll never forget the time she was "humiliated" by facing some consequences even if those seem a bit unfair.


Scarlet Letter.
 
2014-02-12 08:25:58 AM  
My irony meter asploded while reading your comments.

You want to take away a social school benefit from someone that didn't "earn" it when it wasn't in her power to control the circumstances (her parents), thus putting her in a different social setting as her peers. And you even recognize that the children not getting this benefit were being mentally harmed or disadvantaged in some way.

But then, in other threads you shout from the roof tops about how people from disadvantaged social settings should get the same social benefits as everyone else.

Damn, you all are the biggest hypocrites I've seen. Bunch of closet republicans when it comes to children
 
2014-02-12 08:35:22 AM  
I have a friend who works at a catholic school. They let the kids wear their street clothes on Friday providing they donate $5 to charity. HOW shiatTY IS THAT for the poor kids. Hey wanna make fun of the poor kids? They're the ones wearing uniforms on Friday! ha ha stupid poor kids.
 
2014-02-12 09:01:48 AM  
Kid's not a snowflake. At 6 it's not as if she's able to drive herself to school. This is basically punishing her for something ENTIRELY out of her control.

Yes, I am bitter at having been in similar circumstances. All four years of high school I was in and out of detention just because my mother felt doing her make-up (to go nowhere else but back home after dropping me off) was way more important than me actually making it to school on time. Late for late detention? (Which started an hour before school) More detention! Like farking herpes, I tell you, gift that keeps on giving.
 
2014-02-12 09:16:36 AM  
KID'S name is Bella...in florida.  she prolly thinks she is a princess...  and so do her stupid parents.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:19 AM  
This is what happens when you start responding to complaints of being "shamed" like a real wrong has been done.  First it's don't "shame" the lower income students by making them have a different process for getting their free lunches.  Because being poor is such a shameful condition we don't want to make them have to experience it.  So this progression is no surprise.  Stop rewarding people because it clearly points out the underachievers.  Next will come the suggestion that you should not just give paychecks to the people who have worked.  It's all coming.
 
2014-02-12 10:05:39 AM  
Tuttle Elementary School has a mandatory uniform dress code. But this past Friday, students got rewarded with a "no uniform day" -

This action merely confirms to the students that uniforms are indeed a punishment. What dumbass administrators.
 
2014-02-12 10:10:24 AM  

robohobo: And stay away from plaid schoolgirl skirts in highschool. That's just being kinky.

My wife still has all her plaid schoolgirl uniforms from HS. AND they still fit.


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2014-02-12 10:12:46 AM  

wildcardjack: Really? Kindergarten uniforms? That's just strange. Uniforms start to make sense when you get to an age where fashion can cause socioeconomic stratification.

And stay away from plaid schoolgirl skirts in highschool. That's just being kinky.


Actually it makes perfect sense for all grades to have uniforms. The school I went to (Pre K though 12) had uniforms from 1st and upwards. This year, they started with the Pre K uniforms. But their uniforms are simple shorts / pants and a t shirt with a cartoon shark on it. The reason they did this is because if a preschooler needs to use the bathroom, depending on age, the teacher can or can not help them. So if the parent dresses them up in an elaborate outfit with buttons and such. The kid can not get undressed and ends up peeing in his pants. The uniform pants are simple pull up pants which allow for much easier bathroom runs for the teacher and the kids.

My weigh in on this is... I am siding with the school. Rewards are earned and should never be given for the sake of being given. Maybe the little girl will learn from this and start making mommy and grandma get her to school on time.
 
2014-02-12 10:33:11 AM  

dersk: shintochick: What I'd be curious to know is if the parents knew ahead of time that the kid didn't qualify for the reward and sent her in regular clothes anyhow. If they did know then they set her up for any humiliation she felt. If they didn't know then that is some piss poor communication going on by the school, the parents or both.

If you're curious, read the article. They explicitly explain what happened.


Please show me in that article where they mention the child's parents at all. All they do is quote the grandmother. The only communication they mention is the website.
 
2014-02-12 10:37:08 AM  

Green Scorpio: NickelP: Everything in that article is grandma's fault (assuming there is no mom in this situation, which I got the impression there isn't).

I have a feeling that there is a mom but she's not around, most likely because she was raised by someone like grandma who has no parenting skills whatsoever.


Well, grandma is a child psychologist...
 
2014-02-12 10:39:34 AM  

MemeSlave: Florida?  Check.
6 year old in Kindergarten?   Check.
Grandmother, not mother, advocating for child?   Check.

Sounds like someone failed badly (pole/meth/jail) with their daughter, probably by divorcing their actions from consequences and now wants to make the world perfect for crotchloaf jr by repeating the same mistakes.


Is your noting that the kid is six years old and in kindergarten meant to indicate that something is wrong? I'm here to tell you it isn't--there are plenty of six-year-olds in kindergarten. Hell, I was one of them.

When I was five, I had had so many missed school days due to doctors' appointments and related reasons that my mother feared I had not learned everything I needed, so she asked the (Catholic parochial) school to hold me back a year. Am I saying this is whathappened to this snowflake? Nope, bbecause I don't know and neither do you.

Now, what would be more deserving of the [Florida] tag would be an eight-year-old in kindergarten...who was still in diapers.
 
2014-02-12 10:48:34 AM  

Nabb1: Okay, so we've heard from the FARKers who are just too goddamned tough because they didn't need parents and left home at three to be raised by a pack of wolves, and THAT is how parenting should be done, but I have to agree that in this instance, this is a bad policy. If the kid has attendance issues at that age, it's probably her parents' fault.


Exactly the problem begins and ends with the parents, you can bet this girls parents are too busy with their careers to bother.

Or have caused her to miss classes to take vacations like kids in our schools were known to do, maybe it was unfair they got exotic vacations and we had to be relegated to Maggie Valley?

Just kidding, as a kid I loved being there....
 
2014-02-12 10:58:05 AM  
FTA: But the little girl's grandmother says the six year old and other students are being publicly shamed, and it's going too far.

Sorry but you failed, Grandma.

The keyword to get people salivating like Pavlov's dogs is "bullying"

Tell them she's being "bullied" by the school.
 
2014-02-12 11:15:32 AM  

Ospreys: Kid's not a snowflake. At 6 it's not as if she's able to drive herself to school. This is basically punishing her for something ENTIRELY out of her control.

Yes, I am bitter at having been in similar circumstances. All four years of high school I was in and out of detention just because my mother felt doing her make-up (to go nowhere else but back home after dropping me off) was way more important than me actually making it to school on time. Late for late detention? (Which started an hour before school) More detention! Like farking herpes, I tell you, gift that keeps on giving.


I guess I don't understand your issue... by high school you really should be able to get yourself to school... either by bus, bike, foot, or friend... unless you lived incredibly far from your school.
 
2014-02-12 11:36:49 AM  
bostonbd:

I guess I don't understand your issue... by high school you really should be able to get yourself to school... either by bus, bike, foot, or friend... unless you lived incredibly far from your school.

For a lot of reasons (tl;dr), none of that was an option for me unfortunately. So I did end up getting punished for something I couldn't control, which sucked.

 The school should do what mine did and just designate one day a month where kids could wear something other than the uniform without having to base it on having accomplished x, y, and z. If they want to give rewards, it should be something actually useful and that a kid would really care about getting in school - like getting to pick an activity the class does or something similar. School is infinitely more fun when you actually care what's going on
 
2014-02-12 11:38:59 AM  

Green Scorpio: NickelP: Everything in that article is grandma's fault (assuming there is no mom in this situation, which I got the impression there isn't).

I have a feeling that there is a mom but she's not around, most likely because she was raised by someone like grandma who has no parenting skills whatsoever.


"If a kid calls his grandma "Mommy" and his mama "Pam", he's going to jail!" -- Chris Rock

It's probably that kind of situation.  I sure hope grandma stirring up all this trouble brings the kid less humiliation, teasing and distraction.
 
2014-02-12 11:59:25 AM  

wambu: Tuttle Elementary School has a mandatory uniform dress code. But this past Friday, students got rewarded with a "no uniform day" -

This action merely confirms to the students that uniforms are indeed a punishment. What dumbass administrators.


Yeah....just like having a "polar express" day and letting the kidergartners wear pajamas and bring a stuffed animal one day confirms that the normal dress is a punishment.

A very sensitive bunch today....
 
2014-02-12 12:14:26 PM  

Ospreys: If they want to give rewards, it should be something actually useful and that a kid would really care about getting in school


Or...they could keep doing what they were doing because outside of this wackjob granny they seem to be doing just fine without your expert school administration advice.

/just sayin'
 
2014-02-12 12:31:45 PM  

MaxSupernova: wambu: Tuttle Elementary School has a mandatory uniform dress code. But this past Friday, students got rewarded with a "no uniform day" -

This action merely confirms to the students that uniforms are indeed a punishment. What dumbass administrators.

Yeah....just like having a "polar express" day and letting the kidergartners wear pajamas and bring a stuffed animal one day confirms that the normal dress is a punishment.



Two entirely different situations.

In the uniform thing, breaking a rule is offered as reward for good behavior, an acknowledgment that the rule itself is a form of punishment.

In the pajama thing, it's just play. It's an exception to the rule.

Don;t think that kids don't know the difference although you don't seem to.
 
2014-02-12 12:53:58 PM  

ThunderChicken: Soooo...  Let's just throw it all to the breeze and stop teaching kids that there are repercussions for their actions early in life.  Just let them do whatever they like and reward them the same as the kids that work for it.  I'm sure that will teach them all a really great lesson about how life really works and encourage them to work harder.


You mean like, provide them with housing, food, healthcare, cell phone, and a little walking around  money, regardless of their actions early in life ?  That lesson? Maybe Grandma's right.  I mean, there should be
a minimum standard of 'days without uniform' for everyone.
 
2014-02-12 01:20:08 PM  

wambu: MaxSupernova: wambu: Tuttle Elementary School has a mandatory uniform dress code. But this past Friday, students got rewarded with a "no uniform day" -

This action merely confirms to the students that uniforms are indeed a punishment. What dumbass administrators.

Yeah....just like having a "polar express" day and letting the kidergartners wear pajamas and bring a stuffed animal one day confirms that the normal dress is a punishment.


Two entirely different situations.

In the uniform thing, breaking a rule is offered as reward for good behavior, an acknowledgment that the rule itself is a form of punishment.

In the pajama thing, it's just play. It's an exception to the rule.

Don;t think that kids don't know the difference although you don't seem to.


There is no rule being broke as an award if the rules state that non-uniform days can be used as an incentive. Having rules and guidelines are not inherently punishment as you are assuming.

The only rule being broke is someone not showing up on time to school. It sucks for the kid because she lost the parental lottery but life isn't fair. She needs to get used to it.
 
2014-02-12 01:29:31 PM  
School has rules, these are standard for all participants
- There is a reward system and rules that affect that reward system.
- All students are under the same system, parents should know these rules and help their child abide.

So-
This child did not abide by those rules and the parents contributed to the problem by not being aware and in control of the situation.
Child is not given reward because they did not meet the criteria for the reward
PArents, the responsible party, should have been aware of the situation, and prepared the child accordingly
(see, it is not all upon the child, I get that, but something like this is responsibility and consequence of actions. These parents should have been aware of the situation and either gotten the child to school appropriately or saved her from embarrassment by knowing she needed to wear her uniform.)

The message that you can just ignore the rules and get rewarded, especially this early, is the worst message you can send and impress on these children as a whole not just this one individual and her parents and grandma. See these other kids see her getting away with ignoring the rules, rules the same for all of them in this environment, and still get the reward they are getting by following the rules.

This is not a republican thing, this is called responsibility and accepting the consequences of your situation (this goes for the parents and the child). It is a lesson, she is embarrassed? Good. She should be and the people responsible should have to feel that and have to deal with it, by explaining it to her as well as figuring out how to make their child a priority or having to be the responsible for their child's embarrassment. If the parents cannot handle this, then it is their fault, their problem, their issue, the child should learn that the rules apply to her equally as they do everyone else.

Otherwise this whole thing, learning to interact, learning responsibility, learning how to function in society are all lost because one child who, whether she didn't feel like going or her parents were negligent and could not get her to school otherwise, failed in their responsibility, they failed her and now by trying to get special privileges they are failing everyone else too.

Could the school have warned the parents that the girl missed school and would not be able to participate in the reward for all the children that did attend properly and followed the rules? Sure, but then the next question is: Why didn't the parents know that she had missed more classes than was acceptable? You can try to spin this any direction you want, in the end, it still comes to the responsibility of the parents and their failure to be active and aware of their child when they should be.
 
2014-02-12 02:16:04 PM  

MaxSupernova: There is no rule being broke as an award if the rules state that non-uniform days can be used as an incentive. Having rules and guidelines are not inherently punishment as you are assuming.

The only rule being broke is someone not showing up on time to school. It sucks for the kid because she lost the parental lottery but life isn't fair. She needs to get used to it.


My comments are about the parents and administrators actions reinforcing the belief of the students that the requirements for uniforms is repressive and unnecessary.

It's fine that that they want to reward punctuality, but they should find another reward that reinforces the desired behavior without reinforcing the belief that not wearing uniforms is something positive and good and desirable. That is, if they want the use of uniforms to produce a desirable result.
 
2014-02-12 04:10:35 PM  

sdkOyOte: School has rules, these are standard for all participants
- There is a reward system and rules that affect that reward system.
- All students are under the same system, parents should know these rules and help their child abide.

So-
This child did not abide by those rules and the parents contributed to the problem by not being aware and in control of the situation.
Child is not given reward because they did not meet the criteria for the reward
PArents, the responsible party, should have been aware of the situation, and prepared the child accordingly
(see, it is not all upon the child, I get that, but something like this is responsibility and consequence of actions. These parents should have been aware of the situation and either gotten the child to school appropriately or saved her from embarrassment by knowing she needed to wear her uniform.)

The message that you can just ignore the rules and get rewarded, especially this early, is the worst message you can send and impress on these children as a whole not just this one individual and her parents and grandma. See these other kids see her getting away with ignoring the rules, rules the same for all of them in this environment, and still get the reward they are getting by following the rules.

This is not a republican thing, this is called responsibility and accepting the consequences of your situation (this goes for the parents and the child). It is a lesson, she is embarrassed? Good. She should be and the people responsible should have to feel that and have to deal with it, by explaining it to her as well as figuring out how to make their child a priority or having to be the responsible for their child's embarrassment. If the parents cannot handle this, then it is their fault, their problem, their issue, the child should learn that the rules apply to her equally as they do everyone else.

Otherwise this whole thing, learning to interact, learning responsibility, learning how to function in society are all lost be ...


You're not Thinking of the ChildrenTM
 
2014-02-12 09:08:30 PM  

catmander: Yeah.  Meanwhile in China and Japan......


When they fail; they do the decent thing and walk off into a forest to kill themselves.

/ it's true; they are super competitive. And if they fail, at any point, it's pretty much goodnight Irene.

// the 'flake didn't earn the reward? The 'flake ain't getting a reward!

/// in fact; send her grandmother to the woodshed, to be beaten
 
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