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(Crooks & Liars)   Running out of other ways to inflict cruelty on the poor, Florida now makes it illegal for the homeless to cover themselves in a blanket during freezing weather   (crooksandliars.com) divider line 34
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2014-02-12 04:58:38 AM
6 votes:
Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.
2014-02-12 05:06:55 AM
3 votes:
just more proof that Republicans are sociopaths
2014-02-12 04:47:28 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.


Actually, it does. GIS "Orange groves with icicles".

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

If by "designed" you mean "reported" then yeah you're dead on.

I'm guessing you were trolling, but then again, who knows.
2014-02-12 06:41:59 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're  hell-bent on proving that the Average American Guy is an idiot, aren't you?
2014-02-12 05:06:24 AM
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.


Are you saying that if you happened to become homeless for whatever reason, it would be your preference that you would be charged with a ridiculously stupid crime and be hauled off to jail?

I hitchhiked across the country many years ago. I was technically "homeless" during that time because I was effectively living out of a backpack. Under no circumstances would I have chosen to be hauled off to jail on some bullshiat charge instead of the life I had chosen for myself at the time.

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Out trying to win hearts and minds again, I see. I must say, you're amazingly good at it. I'm sure you win people over to your way of thinking every time you drop a wisdom bomb like that in a thread. Don't ever change. You're perfect just the way you are.
2014-02-12 04:36:00 AM
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?
2014-02-12 04:33:38 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


The low tonight in Pensacola, FL is supposed to be 38 degrees.  Just because it gets warm during the day, doesn't mean it's warm at night all the time.

Even with the standard low for this time of year (mid 50's)  - you'd still want something.

But hey, who cares - they're just poor and homeless, right?
2014-02-11 11:56:00 PM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.
2014-02-12 11:20:17 AM
1 votes:
Feel free to go down town and pickup a poor and bring em home for the winter.

Otherwise, shaddup
2014-02-12 11:13:08 AM
1 votes:
I'm ok with this.  Go to a shelter or a place designated for camping.  If you want to give the homeless a place to sleep, buy some property and allow them to camp there.

It's also not that uncommon.  Austin has pretty much the same law.  The homeless around here camp on vacant lots because the police can't do anything about it without the property owner telling them the campers are trespassing (and he doesn't know they're there unless he's checking regularly).
2014-02-12 10:09:49 AM
1 votes:
Every farker who is concerned about the homeless should adopt one, feed clothe and shelter him. I think that would do wonders for the "homeless problem".
2014-02-12 08:37:42 AM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Cataholic: Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.

So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?


Well, "no camping" regulations are pretty widespread. The problem is that they didn't define camping in the context of recreation. Homelessness is not recreation, so it should be exempt from this specific ordinance. The two bolded items are really geared towards the homeless, as is the bit about "available shelter". No recreational campers are going to cover themselves up with cardboard or newspapers (I am sure there are a very small number of exceptions).

This isn't banning homeless using blankets, this is banning people sleeping outdoors period. So the headline, yourself, and most of this thread is missing the point: this ordinance is as close to outlawing homelessness as one can get. "You can't sleep anywhere except a shelter" is the message here. I'll leave it up to this thread to debate the morality of this, but I wanted to refocus the interpretation here. I do agree, however, that the lack of penalties is interesting. I guess this gives cops the right to say "move along, get out"?
2014-02-12 08:06:47 AM
1 votes:
Conservative goon says "small government" is reserved for rich people.
2014-02-12 08:00:37 AM
1 votes:

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


Yep, they made that choice to be schizophrenic, or suffering from PTSD and/or major depression and/or bipolar disorder, or having had to pay a $200,000 medical bill, or having their bank foreclose on their house. They made that choice of buying that house when they should have known that their job was going to be "outsourced" to China or India and that house was just an asset to the bank that held their mortgage, as was every penny in their bank account.

They made that choice to have a psychotic/fanatically religious/alcoholic parent who taught them nothing about how to live their lives and beat them senseless when they tried to learn on their own. The latter, I know one person who came from a house like that. She got raped and beaten half to death at 13 by a man in his mid-30s and her mom didn't give a damn. Her mom called her a sinner and a liar and a whore and all sorts of shiat and threw her out of the house. When the creep that raped her got out of prison when she was 19, he tracked her down and started harassing her and stalking her with the idea that they were supposed to get married or some shiat because, according to the Bible, she belonged to him. So she shot his ass dead with her grandfathers .38 and got 10 years for that. She's not homeless, but she was on and off for several years as a teenager. She makes a pretty good living tying up and tormenting Lawyers, Judges and Business executives in the basement of the house she inherited from her grandfather who was really the only decent person in her life.

So yeah, it's always just a lifestyle choice isn't it.
2014-02-12 07:58:24 AM
1 votes:

bborchar: Because if I were homeless and freezing, I would definitely care what the law says.


The police sometimes like to take their blankets and other possessions so there's that.
2014-02-12 07:46:42 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: Headso: just give them homes.

I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".


I'll just leave this here:



100,000 Homes: Housing the homeless saves money?
2014-02-12 07:41:46 AM
1 votes:
Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.
2014-02-12 07:37:16 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Low of 1 C forecast for tonight in Pensacola.
2014-02-12 07:31:00 AM
1 votes:

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


Dickishly lame.
2014-02-12 07:09:07 AM
1 votes:
This is my hometown. It's on the water and gets pretty cold for Florida. The first round of Southern winter storms knocked out power, closed schools, etc... Here's the latest: http://ricksblog.biz/many-days-you-cannot-make-this-stuff-up-mayor-ann ounces-blanket-drive/A symbolic gesture of seeing out a box and declaring it a blanket drive, announced yesterday starting Tomorrow. Supposedly the ordinance is modeled after Orlando or some other large Florida city.
2014-02-12 06:23:18 AM
1 votes:
It does occur to me, that a possible reason for the "camping ordinance," is it could help with pushing out protestors, like those Occupy Wall street idiots. Or other people actually causing problems for malicious reasons.

But as the gov has seen, the flip side to the law, is that it really does hurt some innocent people.
2014-02-12 06:18:43 AM
1 votes:
Glaringly missing from the article: Is anyone enforcing this?
2014-02-12 06:11:59 AM
1 votes:
grimlock1972:
Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.

You've hit the core problem right there; it was decided by a group of people (and agreed with by a larger group) that cannot even come close to the thought that some people are dealing with a bad hand at life. The closest they would have come to poverty is their ATM card being rejected by the machine that one time and having to break a hundred at starbucks.

They're not delusional, because for them that's normal. They're all going to have opinions on pulling up bootstraps, or how life being good to them and not others is just "God's Plan".

Only real positive to take from it is that should we ever get to a revolution it won't be the 1% getting caught by the mob and losing their heads, it'll be these guys.
2014-02-12 06:01:10 AM
1 votes:
Should anybody believe that money doesn't matter more than people, and that money doesn't get served first, and we are subordinate to money - by law - you're beginning to seem delusional.  Money was invented to serve people.  Now we serve it or we go to jail.  Think about that.
2014-02-12 05:32:40 AM
1 votes:

grimlock1972: Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they are likely hoping they go further south in Florida.


Where the large, man-eating snakes can get them. . . Hmmmm. . . .
2014-02-12 05:17:54 AM
1 votes:
I try not to be a grammar nazi, but shouldn't the second sentence of TFA read, "The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: break the law or freeze to death."?
2014-02-12 05:14:21 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.


That's a rather dark and mostly unrelated thing to bring up in such a way. Oddly enough, it may not have ever actually happened (the way it is so often described). Here is a paper I found particularly interesting on the subject. I wouldn't say it's absolutely conclusive, but it does make a pretty compelling argument.
2014-02-12 05:10:03 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


I don't know about non-cruel, but the law is an anti-"camping" ordinance, the purported rationale presumably being to keep sidewalks and parks and the courthouse steps and so forth available for their intended use rather than overrun with impromptu campsites and fires and such. Obviously it appears to be meant for moving hoboes on -- no shelter, bathing, or cooking allowed around here.

Bonus: theoretically they could use this law against anyone who falls asleep on their picnic blanket at the park, or nods off while reading the newspaper on a park bench, or any homeless guy who sleeps NEXT TO a homeless guy with a sleeping bag.

On the other hand, if the local people don't like it they can just permit the homeless to sleep on their property; this rule doesn't apply then.


5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


There was a day in January when the high in Pensacola was 33ºF. And homeless people aren't necessarily the healthiest individuals in the first place.
2014-02-12 04:59:53 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Get a brain! Morans.
2014-02-12 04:54:53 AM
1 votes:
I know in most of the cases homeless people they'd much rather have a home but seriously why is not having a wood box bolted to the ground so criminal? If someone genuinely wanted to live without address I can't think of a single fundamental objection.
2014-02-12 04:39:27 AM
1 votes:
Well it glaringly obvious they are hoping this law drives all the homeless out before they get sued over it.   I seriously hope the Police refuse to enforce it.


Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they arelikely hoping they go further south in Florida.

Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.
2014-02-12 04:33:02 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're right of course, I NEVER gets cold at night when you're near a very large body of water.
2014-02-12 01:33:55 AM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep


Jail ain't warm.
2014-02-11 11:38:32 PM
1 votes:
What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?
 
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