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2014-02-12 06:23:32 AM

ongbok: wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?

I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


That doesn't help with the arrest record. Just because homeless people are involved with social services that will provide subsidies for apartments doesn't guarantee a place in housing. Every property manager has the right to refuse tenancy based on criminal record, this is discrimination but not covered by law.
 
2014-02-12 06:27:51 AM

JohnnyC: Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.

That's a rather dark and mostly unrelated thing to bring up in such a way. Oddly enough, it may not have ever actually happened (the way it is so often described). Here is a paper I found particularly interesting on the subject. I wouldn't say it's absolutely conclusive, but it does make a pretty compelling argument.


I'll agree Ward Churchill is useless, but that paper only talks about one incident, in 1837, and even there it isn't exactly compelling.  I stopped reading here:

"None mention any U.S. Army presence in the vicinity of Fort Clark."

And the locals probably didn't mention that they got wet during rainstorms, or they ate food everyday to survive, either...the whole point of a fort back then was that it contained an Army garrison.

That's absence of evidence...not evidence of absence.
 
2014-02-12 06:32:11 AM
gfid:
The mayor (who introduced this legislation) now opposes it. It will be on the agenda at tomorrow's city council meeting. It would have been on it last month, but the council president blocked a vote.

The "right wingers are evil" folks might want to notice that the Council President who blocked that vote is, of course, a Democrat.
 
2014-02-12 06:33:13 AM
Snuggies for everybody! Wear 3 at once.
 
2014-02-12 06:37:22 AM
I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.
 
2014-02-12 06:41:59 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're  hell-bent on proving that the Average American Guy is an idiot, aren't you?
 
2014-02-12 06:42:08 AM
5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida

*boots you into the flame trench at Launch Complex 39-B**

Do not ever tell me that it does not freeze in Florida.
 
2014-02-12 06:43:29 AM
Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.
 
2014-02-12 06:44:30 AM

Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.


They're taking the blankets from white people and treating the homeless as if they are a pox on our society.
 
2014-02-12 06:45:36 AM

Cataholic: Atop and/or covered by materials


And this is precisely where laws and their gymnastic wording have a spot for a crowbar.
 
2014-02-12 06:47:02 AM

KeatingFive: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

You're  hell-bent on proving that the Average American Guy is an idiot, aren't you?


Oh, he's waaaaaaay past that point.
 
2014-02-12 06:55:53 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Glaringly missing from the article: Is anyone enforcing this?


blanket police.

/they're really wet blankets about this sort of thing
 
2014-02-12 07:08:54 AM

tokyogirl79: Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land,


I'm curious, just how many pedos do you think are wandering around Disney Land, (which is actually in California - I presume you mean Disney World).

I'm sure pedos go there, but I just don't see the likelihood of a lost child running into one willing to risk abducting a kid from a theme park.
 
2014-02-12 07:09:07 AM
This is my hometown. It's on the water and gets pretty cold for Florida. The first round of Southern winter storms knocked out power, closed schools, etc... Here's the latest: http://ricksblog.biz/many-days-you-cannot-make-this-stuff-up-mayor-ann ounces-blanket-drive/A symbolic gesture of seeing out a box and declaring it a blanket drive, announced yesterday starting Tomorrow. Supposedly the ordinance is modeled after Orlando or some other large Florida city.
 
2014-02-12 07:09:25 AM

Mnemia: I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.


I think you are mistaken, Jesus didn't really care much about helping the poor and helpless, he was mostly about persecuting the gays.
 
2014-02-12 07:10:17 AM
Ah, my home town. The mayor, Aston Hayward, was a school friend of mine. He has always been an arrogant tool.
Pensacola was a liberal cesspool, which is why many of us left there, but it was starting to come back around. With Quint Studor redeveloping basically all of the downtown bayfront area, it's now a thriving area with more business investment. To bad Ashton is such a cock.
 
2014-02-12 07:10:49 AM
The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.
 
2014-02-12 07:11:51 AM
They need to force the homeless to get licensed from an accredited homeless institution, that way they can cite them for practicing homelessness without a license.
 
2014-02-12 07:12:32 AM
Blanket's are for closers only. You think I'm farking with you? I am not farking with you. I'm here from Florida. I'm here from Pensacola . And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Levine? You call yourself a homeless you son of a biatch?

In all seriousness some people are just mean and they don't like homeless people.  So I want everyone on here to send me your address and your phone number.  In the coming weeks I will send each and every one of you your own piss and shiat soaked wino.  I know how much you care and I know you wouldn't mind having one of these guys camp out in your house.

What's you say?  You say NIMBY?  Wait I thought you loved these guys and you really cared.  Oh I get it.  As long as they are at least a 1000 miles away and down wind it's OK.

The law is designed to get these filthy criminals off the street.  These aren't happy hobos.  If you don't believe me why not pic one up in your car some day and see what happens.

What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?
You know I can just see the liberal tears streaming down your face and almost taste the salt.

Well cry no more Sally.  Ask yourself this.  Would you rather sleep under a cardboard box or in jail?  If you said cardboard box then your even whiter then I thought.  Hobo billy gets a night in jail/detention and maybe even a meal and a shower.  In the morning he's either let let go or put on a bus to your house.  Hobo Billy hopes you have cable.
 
2014-02-12 07:13:14 AM

gfid: tokyogirl79: Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land,

I'm curious, just how many pedos do you think are wandering around Disney Land, (which is actually in California - I presume you mean Disney World).

I'm sure pedos go there, but I just don't see the likelihood of a lost child running into one willing to risk abducting a kid from a theme park.


You don't have to leave the park.
 
2014-02-12 07:14:18 AM
Oh no! THey might get arrested and have a bed to sleep in and get something to eat. That would awful for them.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:11 AM
Florida hates poor Americans.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:38 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


To be fair, it's obvious you didn't RTFA, or you would have noticed that temperatures were mentioned to be in the teens there. I suggest you go and spend a night outside without a blanket or heavy coat when the temperature is below 20 degrees some time and then say it's not that cold.
 
2014-02-12 07:24:06 AM
deeperintomovies.net

You moron!
You jerk!
Why didn't you stay at Claire's? She would have taken care of you! You would have eaten and been warm!
You might be alive! You'd be a prettier color, I'll tell you that!
 
2014-02-12 07:26:32 AM
Cataholic:
You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.

"Whenever in this Code or in any ordinances of the city any act is prohibited or is made or declared to be unlawful or an offense or whenever in such Code or any ordinances the doing of any act is required or the failure to do any act is declared to be unlawful, where no specific penalty is provided therefor, the violation of any provision of this Code or any ordinance shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500.00) or imprisonment for a term not exceeding sixty (60) days, or by both the fine and imprisonment. Each day any violation of any provision of this Code shall continue shall constitute a separate offense."


You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.

A person sleeping under a blanket is not "covered by materials such as a bedroll"? LOL.
 
2014-02-12 07:27:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You don't have to leave the park.


the tea cups are calling.......calling
 
2014-02-12 07:31:00 AM

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


Dickishly lame.
 
2014-02-12 07:31:18 AM
just give them homes.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:32 AM
So if you're in Florida, and you see a homeless guy under a blanket, you have already established that he is committing a crime.  Now, does he have a gun under that blanket?  You can't say that he doesn't.  And he's committing a crime, so who knows what else he might do?  The STAND YOUR GROUND state demands that you pump him full of lead.  Otherwise you are irresponsible.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:35 AM
hahaha!  It's because Jesus HATES poor people!  The RNC told me so...
 
2014-02-12 07:34:15 AM

Mnemia: I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.


Oh, great, you just blew up my sarcasm detector due to overload!
 
2014-02-12 07:36:21 AM

Headso: just give them homes.


I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".
 
2014-02-12 07:37:16 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Low of 1 C forecast for tonight in Pensacola.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:50 AM

TuteTibiImperes: People shouldn't be living on the streets,


Why not?  There's nothing wrong with having no possessions, and English common law has, since the Anglo-Saxon period, allowed people to camp on public land.

/Every country that has tried to end "homelessness" has failed
//some people don't want to live indoors.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:52 AM
Outrage is so much easier to do when damn dirty bums aren't camped out IMBY.
 
2014-02-12 07:39:29 AM

dersk: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

Low of 1 C forecast for tonight in Pensacola.


How much is that in American degrees?

/Down to 0.1 Rhode Islands, but the wind chill will make it feel like 3 Rhode Islands below
 
2014-02-12 07:41:46 AM
Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.
 
2014-02-12 07:46:42 AM

Point02GPA: Headso: just give them homes.

I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".


I'll just leave this here:



100,000 Homes: Housing the homeless saves money?
 
2014-02-12 07:46:48 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Yes, it's the people telling us about the dumb thing that are the problem, not the people doing the dumb thing.

You are a moron.
 
2014-02-12 07:47:25 AM

Dwight_Yeast: //some people don't want to live indoors.


some people don't want to bathe. some don't want to get immunizations for their children. some want to home school. some want to rape children.

/thank god polio isn't completely wiped out, maybe there is some justice.
 
2014-02-12 07:49:34 AM
Because if I were homeless and freezing, I would definitely care what the law says.
 
2014-02-12 07:51:23 AM

groppet: Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.


It's pretty much a given that they don't want jobs.
 
2014-02-12 07:52:36 AM

Hobodeluxe: just more proof that Republicans are sociopaths


Pretty sure Florida's electoral votes went to BOB, but, please, derp away.
 
2014-02-12 07:53:08 AM
Just another example that we're not from this planet.
 
2014-02-12 07:53:40 AM
Making it illegal to be homeless is just asinine. Forget the discriminatory laws designed to target the homeless and just give them a damn place to go(no, not jail). They get a warm place to sleep and a meal and you don't have to look at them sleeping on the street.

/not a rocket scientist but I play one on Fark
 
2014-02-12 07:54:32 AM
fark your site.  I'm not enabling a half-dozen cookies to read text.
 
2014-02-12 07:56:27 AM

Cataholic: Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.


So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?
 
2014-02-12 07:58:10 AM
gfib~

Good read...Thanks. Interesting approach.
 
2014-02-12 07:58:24 AM

bborchar: Because if I were homeless and freezing, I would definitely care what the law says.


The police sometimes like to take their blankets and other possessions so there's that.
 
2014-02-12 07:59:41 AM
DRAT! Make that a d.
 
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