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2014-02-11 11:38:32 PM  
What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?
 
2014-02-11 11:56:00 PM  

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.
 
2014-02-12 12:04:53 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I really don't know what the best solution is here.


I have a modest proposal...
 
2014-02-12 12:36:42 AM  

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: I really don't know what the best solution is here.

I have a modest proposal...


Hah!

But seriously, teh homeless don't taste very good, so what are we going to do with the bodies? They need to bootstrap themselves into a good job (like a half term governor, we all know that can't be a difficult job) and pull theyselves out of the gutter.
 
2014-02-12 01:33:55 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep


Jail ain't warm.
 
2014-02-12 02:39:41 AM  
Is Pensa Cola the new Kool-Aid for the Cult of Bootstrap folks?
 
2014-02-12 03:16:33 AM  
I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.
 
2014-02-12 03:28:00 AM  
Pensacola authorities later announced that anyone caught violating this ordinance would be let off with house arrest.
 
2014-02-12 03:50:54 AM  
To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.
 
2014-02-12 04:33:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're right of course, I NEVER gets cold at night when you're near a very large body of water.
 
2014-02-12 04:33:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


The low tonight in Pensacola, FL is supposed to be 38 degrees.  Just because it gets warm during the day, doesn't mean it's warm at night all the time.

Even with the standard low for this time of year (mid 50's)  - you'd still want something.

But hey, who cares - they're just poor and homeless, right?
 
2014-02-12 04:35:18 AM  
Really, what is the justification for this? Drug use?
 
2014-02-12 04:35:34 AM  
They could hope for a kind manager to lock them in a dumpster.
 
2014-02-12 04:36:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?
 
2014-02-12 04:39:02 AM  
Light Rain
48°F 9°C
Feels Like 44°FHumidity 94%Barometer 29.91 in. 759.7 mm
Dew Point 46°FWind NNE 9 MPH
Visibility 9SM
 
2014-02-12 04:39:27 AM  
Well it glaringly obvious they are hoping this law drives all the homeless out before they get sued over it.   I seriously hope the Police refuse to enforce it.


Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they arelikely hoping they go further south in Florida.

Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.
 
2014-02-12 04:40:12 AM  
The mayor (who introduced this legislation) now opposes it.  It will be on the agenda at tomorrow's city council meeting.  It would have been on it last month, but the council president blocked a vote.
 
2014-02-12 04:46:54 AM  

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


It's Florida. The less sense you try to make of the place, the better. Leave your brain and synapses at the door.
 
2014-02-12 04:47:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.


Actually, it does. GIS "Orange groves with icicles".

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

If by "designed" you mean "reported" then yeah you're dead on.

I'm guessing you were trolling, but then again, who knows.
 
2014-02-12 04:49:12 AM  

wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?


I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.
 
2014-02-12 04:53:36 AM  

grimlock1972: Well it glaringly obvious they are hoping this law drives all the homeless out before they get sued over it.   I seriously hope the Police refuse to enforce it.


You seriously expect the police to not be sadistic monsters? HAHAHAAHHAHAHA
 
2014-02-12 04:54:53 AM  
I know in most of the cases homeless people they'd much rather have a home but seriously why is not having a wood box bolted to the ground so criminal? If someone genuinely wanted to live without address I can't think of a single fundamental objection.
 
2014-02-12 04:55:21 AM  
If these takers would just accept jesus as their saviour their mental health problems would disappear.
 
2014-02-12 04:58:38 AM  
Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.
 
2014-02-12 04:59:05 AM  

ongbok: Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


If the possible reasons for the ordinance are a choice between 'getting them in the system to help them' and 'driving the dirty bums out of our town', I would be very surprised if it is the former rather than the latter.
 
2014-02-12 04:59:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Get a brain! Morans.
 
2014-02-12 05:03:15 AM  

ongbok: I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


I don't know if there's any truth to that, but if there is the law should be written such that cooperating with social services results in no criminal record and even expunging the arrest record for such offenses.  You could even define cooperation as several months of at least trying to work with the system.
 
2014-02-12 05:04:32 AM  
Hey, the law is the same for everybody.

Rich people can't sleep under the bridge either.
 
2014-02-12 05:06:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.


Are you saying that if you happened to become homeless for whatever reason, it would be your preference that you would be charged with a ridiculously stupid crime and be hauled off to jail?

I hitchhiked across the country many years ago. I was technically "homeless" during that time because I was effectively living out of a backpack. Under no circumstances would I have chosen to be hauled off to jail on some bullshiat charge instead of the life I had chosen for myself at the time.

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Out trying to win hearts and minds again, I see. I must say, you're amazingly good at it. I'm sure you win people over to your way of thinking every time you drop a wisdom bomb like that in a thread. Don't ever change. You're perfect just the way you are.
 
2014-02-12 05:06:55 AM  
just more proof that Republicans are sociopaths
 
2014-02-12 05:10:03 AM  

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


I don't know about non-cruel, but the law is an anti-"camping" ordinance, the purported rationale presumably being to keep sidewalks and parks and the courthouse steps and so forth available for their intended use rather than overrun with impromptu campsites and fires and such. Obviously it appears to be meant for moving hoboes on -- no shelter, bathing, or cooking allowed around here.

Bonus: theoretically they could use this law against anyone who falls asleep on their picnic blanket at the park, or nods off while reading the newspaper on a park bench, or any homeless guy who sleeps NEXT TO a homeless guy with a sleeping bag.

On the other hand, if the local people don't like it they can just permit the homeless to sleep on their property; this rule doesn't apply then.


5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


There was a day in January when the high in Pensacola was 33ºF. And homeless people aren't necessarily the healthiest individuals in the first place.
 
2014-02-12 05:14:21 AM  

Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.


That's a rather dark and mostly unrelated thing to bring up in such a way. Oddly enough, it may not have ever actually happened (the way it is so often described). Here is a paper I found particularly interesting on the subject. I wouldn't say it's absolutely conclusive, but it does make a pretty compelling argument.
 
2014-02-12 05:15:07 AM  
I remember in Florida a few years back a couple of high schoolers were going out and beating homeless guys to death with a bat for kicks. They were identified by a bank camera, arrested, and I didn't hear what happened to them after that, but I think they may have been elected to city council?
 
2014-02-12 05:15:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.


Hah! The cops will just confiscate their blankets and shelter and leave them to freeze to death
 
2014-02-12 05:17:54 AM  
I try not to be a grammar nazi, but shouldn't the second sentence of TFA read, "The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: break the law or freeze to death."?
 
2014-02-12 05:18:07 AM  

TheGrayCat: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

The low tonight in Pensacola, FL is supposed to be 38 degrees.  Just because it gets warm during the day, doesn't mean it's warm at night all the time.

Even with the standard low for this time of year (mid 50's)  - you'd still want something.

But hey, who cares - they're just poor and homeless, right?


4 degrees celcius is cold enough to cause hypothermia. I might live in the north and have a much better adapted body for dealing with the cold, but long term exposure will still kill... no matter how tough you think you are. Just like hyperthermia can kill at bigger temperatures, especially if you can't get access to clean drinking water.
 
2014-02-12 05:20:56 AM  
That sounds reasonable to me subby.  We can't have a gigantic blanket covering all of the homeless people in Florida without there being a lot of problems right?
 
2014-02-12 05:23:08 AM  

beroff: I try not to be a grammar nazi, but shouldn't the second sentence of TFA read, "The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: break the law or freeze to death."?


Yeah... they kind of screwed that up in the article.
 
2014-02-12 05:27:09 AM  

justaguy516: Really, what is the justification for this? Drug use?


Homeless are clever things. They could be doin anything under them blankets!

/Stupid law is stupid
 
2014-02-12 05:31:59 AM  

wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?


Ah, but that's the beauty of it...put them in jail and they don't need other housing or employment.

Now, if there were only some way you could get corporations to profit from this......I wonder.....
 
2014-02-12 05:32:40 AM  

grimlock1972: Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they are likely hoping they go further south in Florida.


Where the large, man-eating snakes can get them. . . Hmmmm. . . .
 
2014-02-12 05:42:10 AM  
JohnnyC~

Thanks for the link.

/ur utube is fascinating. Great job.
 
2014-02-12 05:47:00 AM  
feral cats need a food supply too, and no one is letting them inside.
 
2014-02-12 05:53:08 AM  

Monkeyman935: feral cats need a food supply too, and no one is letting them inside

Great name for a homeless Jazz Quintet.

 
2014-02-12 06:01:10 AM  
Should anybody believe that money doesn't matter more than people, and that money doesn't get served first, and we are subordinate to money - by law - you're beginning to seem delusional.  Money was invented to serve people.  Now we serve it or we go to jail.  Think about that.
 
2014-02-12 06:05:17 AM  

Vertdang: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

You're right of course, I NEVER gets cold at night when you're near a very large body of water.


I'll second this. I've only ever been there on vacation, but I distinctly remember going down there on vacation during the winter when I was a toddler. Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land, I remember it being incredibly cold... and even snowing.

Yes, Florida does get incredibly cold and while it's not exactly Maine, it can get cold enough for people to develop hypothermia if they're not properly covered.
 
2014-02-12 06:11:08 AM  
The homeless flock to Florida every winter.  Worse than the blue hairs do even.  If nothing is done then all the lazy non working people from the north will have taken over and us natives in Florida will get bad press because the northern folks do such stupid things... oh.. never mind, that already happens.

/screw it, let them freeze.
 
2014-02-12 06:11:59 AM  
grimlock1972:
Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.

You've hit the core problem right there; it was decided by a group of people (and agreed with by a larger group) that cannot even come close to the thought that some people are dealing with a bad hand at life. The closest they would have come to poverty is their ATM card being rejected by the machine that one time and having to break a hundred at starbucks.

They're not delusional, because for them that's normal. They're all going to have opinions on pulling up bootstraps, or how life being good to them and not others is just "God's Plan".

Only real positive to take from it is that should we ever get to a revolution it won't be the 1% getting caught by the mob and losing their heads, it'll be these guys.
 
2014-02-12 06:18:43 AM  
Glaringly missing from the article: Is anyone enforcing this?
 
2014-02-12 06:23:18 AM  
It does occur to me, that a possible reason for the "camping ordinance," is it could help with pushing out protestors, like those Occupy Wall street idiots. Or other people actually causing problems for malicious reasons.

But as the gov has seen, the flip side to the law, is that it really does hurt some innocent people.
 
2014-02-12 06:23:32 AM  

ongbok: wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?

I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


That doesn't help with the arrest record. Just because homeless people are involved with social services that will provide subsidies for apartments doesn't guarantee a place in housing. Every property manager has the right to refuse tenancy based on criminal record, this is discrimination but not covered by law.
 
2014-02-12 06:27:51 AM  

JohnnyC: Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.

That's a rather dark and mostly unrelated thing to bring up in such a way. Oddly enough, it may not have ever actually happened (the way it is so often described). Here is a paper I found particularly interesting on the subject. I wouldn't say it's absolutely conclusive, but it does make a pretty compelling argument.


I'll agree Ward Churchill is useless, but that paper only talks about one incident, in 1837, and even there it isn't exactly compelling.  I stopped reading here:

"None mention any U.S. Army presence in the vicinity of Fort Clark."

And the locals probably didn't mention that they got wet during rainstorms, or they ate food everyday to survive, either...the whole point of a fort back then was that it contained an Army garrison.

That's absence of evidence...not evidence of absence.
 
2014-02-12 06:32:11 AM  
gfid:
The mayor (who introduced this legislation) now opposes it. It will be on the agenda at tomorrow's city council meeting. It would have been on it last month, but the council president blocked a vote.

The "right wingers are evil" folks might want to notice that the Council President who blocked that vote is, of course, a Democrat.
 
2014-02-12 06:33:13 AM  
Snuggies for everybody! Wear 3 at once.
 
2014-02-12 06:37:22 AM  
I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.
 
2014-02-12 06:41:59 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're  hell-bent on proving that the Average American Guy is an idiot, aren't you?
 
2014-02-12 06:42:08 AM  
5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida

*boots you into the flame trench at Launch Complex 39-B**

Do not ever tell me that it does not freeze in Florida.
 
2014-02-12 06:43:29 AM  
Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.
 
2014-02-12 06:44:30 AM  

Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.


They're taking the blankets from white people and treating the homeless as if they are a pox on our society.
 
2014-02-12 06:45:36 AM  

Cataholic: Atop and/or covered by materials


And this is precisely where laws and their gymnastic wording have a spot for a crowbar.
 
2014-02-12 06:47:02 AM  

KeatingFive: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

You're  hell-bent on proving that the Average American Guy is an idiot, aren't you?


Oh, he's waaaaaaay past that point.
 
2014-02-12 06:55:53 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Glaringly missing from the article: Is anyone enforcing this?


blanket police.

/they're really wet blankets about this sort of thing
 
2014-02-12 07:08:54 AM  

tokyogirl79: Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land,


I'm curious, just how many pedos do you think are wandering around Disney Land, (which is actually in California - I presume you mean Disney World).

I'm sure pedos go there, but I just don't see the likelihood of a lost child running into one willing to risk abducting a kid from a theme park.
 
2014-02-12 07:09:07 AM  
This is my hometown. It's on the water and gets pretty cold for Florida. The first round of Southern winter storms knocked out power, closed schools, etc... Here's the latest: http://ricksblog.biz/many-days-you-cannot-make-this-stuff-up-mayor-ann ounces-blanket-drive/A symbolic gesture of seeing out a box and declaring it a blanket drive, announced yesterday starting Tomorrow. Supposedly the ordinance is modeled after Orlando or some other large Florida city.
 
2014-02-12 07:09:25 AM  

Mnemia: I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.


I think you are mistaken, Jesus didn't really care much about helping the poor and helpless, he was mostly about persecuting the gays.
 
2014-02-12 07:10:17 AM  
Ah, my home town. The mayor, Aston Hayward, was a school friend of mine. He has always been an arrogant tool.
Pensacola was a liberal cesspool, which is why many of us left there, but it was starting to come back around. With Quint Studor redeveloping basically all of the downtown bayfront area, it's now a thriving area with more business investment. To bad Ashton is such a cock.
 
2014-02-12 07:10:49 AM  
The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.
 
2014-02-12 07:11:51 AM  
They need to force the homeless to get licensed from an accredited homeless institution, that way they can cite them for practicing homelessness without a license.
 
2014-02-12 07:12:32 AM  
Blanket's are for closers only. You think I'm farking with you? I am not farking with you. I'm here from Florida. I'm here from Pensacola . And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Levine? You call yourself a homeless you son of a biatch?

In all seriousness some people are just mean and they don't like homeless people.  So I want everyone on here to send me your address and your phone number.  In the coming weeks I will send each and every one of you your own piss and shiat soaked wino.  I know how much you care and I know you wouldn't mind having one of these guys camp out in your house.

What's you say?  You say NIMBY?  Wait I thought you loved these guys and you really cared.  Oh I get it.  As long as they are at least a 1000 miles away and down wind it's OK.

The law is designed to get these filthy criminals off the street.  These aren't happy hobos.  If you don't believe me why not pic one up in your car some day and see what happens.

What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?
You know I can just see the liberal tears streaming down your face and almost taste the salt.

Well cry no more Sally.  Ask yourself this.  Would you rather sleep under a cardboard box or in jail?  If you said cardboard box then your even whiter then I thought.  Hobo billy gets a night in jail/detention and maybe even a meal and a shower.  In the morning he's either let let go or put on a bus to your house.  Hobo Billy hopes you have cable.
 
2014-02-12 07:13:14 AM  

gfid: tokyogirl79: Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land,

I'm curious, just how many pedos do you think are wandering around Disney Land, (which is actually in California - I presume you mean Disney World).

I'm sure pedos go there, but I just don't see the likelihood of a lost child running into one willing to risk abducting a kid from a theme park.


You don't have to leave the park.
 
2014-02-12 07:14:18 AM  
Oh no! THey might get arrested and have a bed to sleep in and get something to eat. That would awful for them.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:11 AM  
Florida hates poor Americans.
 
2014-02-12 07:18:38 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


To be fair, it's obvious you didn't RTFA, or you would have noticed that temperatures were mentioned to be in the teens there. I suggest you go and spend a night outside without a blanket or heavy coat when the temperature is below 20 degrees some time and then say it's not that cold.
 
2014-02-12 07:24:06 AM  
deeperintomovies.net

You moron!
You jerk!
Why didn't you stay at Claire's? She would have taken care of you! You would have eaten and been warm!
You might be alive! You'd be a prettier color, I'll tell you that!
 
2014-02-12 07:26:32 AM  
Cataholic:
You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.

"Whenever in this Code or in any ordinances of the city any act is prohibited or is made or declared to be unlawful or an offense or whenever in such Code or any ordinances the doing of any act is required or the failure to do any act is declared to be unlawful, where no specific penalty is provided therefor, the violation of any provision of this Code or any ordinance shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500.00) or imprisonment for a term not exceeding sixty (60) days, or by both the fine and imprisonment. Each day any violation of any provision of this Code shall continue shall constitute a separate offense."


You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.

A person sleeping under a blanket is not "covered by materials such as a bedroll"? LOL.
 
2014-02-12 07:27:49 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You don't have to leave the park.


the tea cups are calling.......calling
 
2014-02-12 07:31:00 AM  

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


Dickishly lame.
 
2014-02-12 07:31:18 AM  
just give them homes.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:32 AM  
So if you're in Florida, and you see a homeless guy under a blanket, you have already established that he is committing a crime.  Now, does he have a gun under that blanket?  You can't say that he doesn't.  And he's committing a crime, so who knows what else he might do?  The STAND YOUR GROUND state demands that you pump him full of lead.  Otherwise you are irresponsible.
 
2014-02-12 07:32:35 AM  
hahaha!  It's because Jesus HATES poor people!  The RNC told me so...
 
2014-02-12 07:34:15 AM  

Mnemia: I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.


Oh, great, you just blew up my sarcasm detector due to overload!
 
2014-02-12 07:36:21 AM  

Headso: just give them homes.


I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".
 
2014-02-12 07:37:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Low of 1 C forecast for tonight in Pensacola.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:50 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: People shouldn't be living on the streets,


Why not?  There's nothing wrong with having no possessions, and English common law has, since the Anglo-Saxon period, allowed people to camp on public land.

/Every country that has tried to end "homelessness" has failed
//some people don't want to live indoors.
 
2014-02-12 07:38:52 AM  
Outrage is so much easier to do when damn dirty bums aren't camped out IMBY.
 
2014-02-12 07:39:29 AM  

dersk: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

Low of 1 C forecast for tonight in Pensacola.


How much is that in American degrees?

/Down to 0.1 Rhode Islands, but the wind chill will make it feel like 3 Rhode Islands below
 
2014-02-12 07:41:46 AM  
Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.
 
2014-02-12 07:46:42 AM  

Point02GPA: Headso: just give them homes.

I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".


I'll just leave this here:



100,000 Homes: Housing the homeless saves money?
 
2014-02-12 07:46:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Yes, it's the people telling us about the dumb thing that are the problem, not the people doing the dumb thing.

You are a moron.
 
2014-02-12 07:47:25 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: //some people don't want to live indoors.


some people don't want to bathe. some don't want to get immunizations for their children. some want to home school. some want to rape children.

/thank god polio isn't completely wiped out, maybe there is some justice.
 
2014-02-12 07:49:34 AM  
Because if I were homeless and freezing, I would definitely care what the law says.
 
2014-02-12 07:51:23 AM  

groppet: Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.


It's pretty much a given that they don't want jobs.
 
2014-02-12 07:52:36 AM  

Hobodeluxe: just more proof that Republicans are sociopaths


Pretty sure Florida's electoral votes went to BOB, but, please, derp away.
 
2014-02-12 07:53:08 AM  
Just another example that we're not from this planet.
 
2014-02-12 07:53:40 AM  
Making it illegal to be homeless is just asinine. Forget the discriminatory laws designed to target the homeless and just give them a damn place to go(no, not jail). They get a warm place to sleep and a meal and you don't have to look at them sleeping on the street.

/not a rocket scientist but I play one on Fark
 
2014-02-12 07:54:32 AM  
fark your site.  I'm not enabling a half-dozen cookies to read text.
 
2014-02-12 07:56:27 AM  

Cataholic: Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.


So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?
 
2014-02-12 07:58:10 AM  
gfib~

Good read...Thanks. Interesting approach.
 
2014-02-12 07:58:24 AM  

bborchar: Because if I were homeless and freezing, I would definitely care what the law says.


The police sometimes like to take their blankets and other possessions so there's that.
 
2014-02-12 07:59:41 AM  
DRAT! Make that a d.
 
2014-02-12 08:00:37 AM  

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


Yep, they made that choice to be schizophrenic, or suffering from PTSD and/or major depression and/or bipolar disorder, or having had to pay a $200,000 medical bill, or having their bank foreclose on their house. They made that choice of buying that house when they should have known that their job was going to be "outsourced" to China or India and that house was just an asset to the bank that held their mortgage, as was every penny in their bank account.

They made that choice to have a psychotic/fanatically religious/alcoholic parent who taught them nothing about how to live their lives and beat them senseless when they tried to learn on their own. The latter, I know one person who came from a house like that. She got raped and beaten half to death at 13 by a man in his mid-30s and her mom didn't give a damn. Her mom called her a sinner and a liar and a whore and all sorts of shiat and threw her out of the house. When the creep that raped her got out of prison when she was 19, he tracked her down and started harassing her and stalking her with the idea that they were supposed to get married or some shiat because, according to the Bible, she belonged to him. So she shot his ass dead with her grandfathers .38 and got 10 years for that. She's not homeless, but she was on and off for several years as a teenager. She makes a pretty good living tying up and tormenting Lawyers, Judges and Business executives in the basement of the house she inherited from her grandfather who was really the only decent person in her life.

So yeah, it's always just a lifestyle choice isn't it.
 
2014-02-12 08:01:23 AM  

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


We want to find a funny, upbeat way of bringing the issue of homelessness to TV.So we've got three wacky homeless characters. But they're wise. They're wacky and wise.The hook is they love being homeless.

They love the freedom, the adventure.

It's about the joy of living, not the shiat we deal with: Money, politics. And the best part is,it's called Home Free.

I'm getting a rush!
 
2014-02-12 08:05:19 AM  

TrotlineDesigns: The homeless flock to Florida every winter.  Worse than the blue hairs do even.  If nothing is done then all the lazy non working people from the north will have taken over and us natives in Florida will get bad press because the northern folks do such stupid things... oh.. never mind, that already happens.

/screw it, let them freeze.


You'd better hope the Christians are wrong about the afterlife.
 
2014-02-12 08:06:47 AM  
Conservative goon says "small government" is reserved for rich people.
 
2014-02-12 08:12:56 AM  
It's quite simple. I know that because I'm quite simple.  Terrists can infiltrate Florida as homeless people and camp out in front of the banks with the AK-47s and RPGs safely hidden under their blankets.  Then, when the Jerb Creators show up for a busy day of jerb creatin', these terrorists can unload on the backbone of our Merican Freedoms.  With the Jerb Creators of Florida gone, the state will spiral down at least one whole level being that they were exactly one who level from the absolute bottom anyways.

It's cheaper than training a rabbit to saw neatly along the state border and push Florida off towards South America.
 
2014-02-12 08:14:54 AM  

Prophet of Loss: So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?


No.  Denying people with no place to go from making basic shelter wherever they damn well please is fine.
 
2014-02-12 08:15:32 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


Having lived in the area (North Florida) before I can tell you it gets down to 15F probably 3 or 4 times a year. It will stay in the high 30s for weeks.
 
2014-02-12 08:17:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


these laws are designed to arrest people - then to incarcerate them at the cost to tax payers. it's an artificial way of saying, "hey, we're keeping crime down" by creating a statute that creates more criminals which they weren't before.
 
2014-02-12 08:18:17 AM  

uptonogood: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

these laws are designed to arrest people - then to incarcerate them at the cost to tax payers. it's an artificial way of saying, "hey, we're keeping crime down" by creating a statute that creates more criminals which they weren't before.


Gotta keep them prisons stocked up and the profits rolling in.
 
2014-02-12 08:19:36 AM  

Deathfrogg: Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.

Yep, they made that choice to be schizophrenic, or suffering from PTSD and/or major depression and/or bipolar disorder, or having had to pay a $200,000 medical bill, or having their bank foreclose on their house. They made that choice of buying that house when they should have known that their job was going to be "outsourced" to China or India and that house was just an asset to the bank that held their mortgage, as was every penny in their bank account.

They made that choice to have a psychotic/fanatically religious/alcoholic parent who taught them nothing about how to live their lives and beat them senseless when they tried to learn on their own. The latter, I know one person who came from a house like that. She got raped and beaten half to death at 13 by a man in his mid-30s and her mom didn't give a damn. Her mom called her a sinner and a liar and a whore and all sorts of shiat and threw her out of the house. When the creep that raped her got out of prison when she was 19, he tracked her down and started harassing her and stalking her with the idea that they were supposed to get married or some shiat because, according to the Bible, she belonged to him. So she shot his ass dead with her grandfathers .38 and got 10 years for that. She's not homeless, but she was on and off for several years as a teenager. She makes a pretty good living tying up and tormenting Lawyers, Judges and Business executives in the basement of the house she inherited from her grandfather who was really the only decent person in her life.

So yeah, it's always just a lifestyle choice isn't it.


There's a segment of every society that simply lacks the ability to function within that society. Maybe we could cut back on oil subsidies or foreign aid or something, and use that money to provide for them. Because, you know, it would actually be something a civilization might do.

Or hey, let's tax churches and use THAT money to help the irredeemably dysfunctional. Churches wouldn't complain about chipping in to help those who are truly broken, surely.
 
2014-02-12 08:24:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: groppet: Are there no work houses for these people?

Sometimes I think that some people think all you have to do is give a homeless person a job and a bed and they will be fine.

It's pretty much a given that they don't want jobs.


What - on top of everything else, now you think you're funny?
It's going to be interesting to see how un-self-aware you can actually become - there seems to be no limit at this point.
Too bad you are wasting space that could be devoted to quality trolling - but you lack the skills - you are a Fark version of an unemployable homeless person. :D
 
2014-02-12 08:26:47 AM  

Pick: The homeless are homeless, because they chose to be homeless. They don't want to work, they want free handouts. They are in the situations they are in, because they chose them.


And yet, when you f**k up your own life, you'll be the first to come running to society for help - your kind always are.
 
2014-02-12 08:37:42 AM  

Prophet of Loss: Cataholic: Sec. 8-1-22 Camping prohibited; exceptions
(1)    For purposes of this section "camping" is defined as:
(a)    Cooking over an open flame or fire out-of-doors; or
(b)   Bathing in public for purposes of personal hygiene; or
(c)    Sleeping out-of-doors under one of the following circumstances:
(i)                  Adjacent to or inside a tent or sleeping bag, or
(ii)                Atop and/or covered by materials such as a bedroll, cardboard, newspapers, or
(iii)               Inside some form of temporary shelter
(2)    Camping is prohibited on all public property, except as may be specifically authorized by the appropriate governmental authority.
(3)    Camping is prohibited on all property in the City used for residential purposes; provided, however that camping is permitted on such property with permission and consent of the property owner.
(4)    An individual in violation of this ordinance, who has no private shelter, shall be advised of available shelter in the City of Pensacola or Escambia County, in addition to any penalties of law.
SECTION 2. In any word, phrase, clause, paragraph, section or provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid or unconstitutional, such finding shall not affect the other provision or applications of the ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provisions or application, and to this end the provisions of this ordinance are declared severable.
SECTION 3. All ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith are hereby repealed to the extent of such conflict.
SECTION 4. This ordinance shall take effect on the fifth business day after adoption, unless otherwise provided pursuant to Section 4.03(d) of the City Charter of the City of Pensacola.

You'll note there are no criminal penalties attached to this ordinance.  You'll also note it does not make covering yourself with a blanket illegal.  You may continue with your ginned up outrage.

So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?


Well, "no camping" regulations are pretty widespread. The problem is that they didn't define camping in the context of recreation. Homelessness is not recreation, so it should be exempt from this specific ordinance. The two bolded items are really geared towards the homeless, as is the bit about "available shelter". No recreational campers are going to cover themselves up with cardboard or newspapers (I am sure there are a very small number of exceptions).

This isn't banning homeless using blankets, this is banning people sleeping outdoors period. So the headline, yourself, and most of this thread is missing the point: this ordinance is as close to outlawing homelessness as one can get. "You can't sleep anywhere except a shelter" is the message here. I'll leave it up to this thread to debate the morality of this, but I wanted to refocus the interpretation here. I do agree, however, that the lack of penalties is interesting. I guess this gives cops the right to say "move along, get out"?
 
2014-02-12 08:40:26 AM  
Says here it's Pensacola.   Certainly ain't Mensacola.
 
2014-02-12 08:43:14 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Prophet of Loss: So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?

No.  Denying people with no place to go from making basic shelter wherever they damn well please is fine.


true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.
 
2014-02-12 08:46:36 AM  

Headso: true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.


Well, not quite: trespassing needs a complaint, as in a person home. The cops can't arrest you for hanging out on someone's lawn if that someone isn't home, if I understand the statues correctly. Things I learned researching the Zim trial, and having an FL DA as a friend.
 
2014-02-12 08:52:38 AM  
"At this point, it's uncertain if the powers-that-be will act to defend the homeless against the intolerable conditions they have helped create..."

/eyeroll. You should quit while you're ahead and spare us the self-righteous editorializing.
 
2014-02-12 08:54:33 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I do agree, however, that the lack of penalties is interesting. I guess this gives cops the right to say "move along, get out"?


The penalty, as I posted earlier, appears to be a max of a $500 fine or 60 days in jail or both for every single day the person is in violation of the ordinance.
 
2014-02-12 08:59:11 AM  

Monkeyman935: Dwight_Yeast: //some people don't want to live indoors.

some people don't want to bathe. some don't want to get immunizations for their children. some want to home school. some want to rape children.

/thank god polio isn't completely wiped out, maybe there is some justice.


Immunization is a public health issue.  "Sleeping rough" is not.  The Dutch just started a program to give homeless drunks (who could get housing through several programs, but chose to live on the streets) beer and food for collecting litter.

To get back to TFA: banning people from covering up when sleeping outside would also be a public health issue.  Just as we've made sleeping on the streets a public health issue in cold weather here in the NE (basically, you don't have a right to freeze to death or die of neglect).

It's a fine line, but we have to have some respect for personal rights.

However, here in the USA, the first thing we need to do is make sure food and housing are available to everyone.  Then we can fuss about those who chose not to take it.
 
2014-02-12 09:06:01 AM  

Headso: true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing


maverickphilosopher.typepad.com
 
2014-02-12 09:08:42 AM  

Headso: true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.


You don't understand the scenario.  This is an issue regarding public property, not private.  Trespass on public property still requires notice by the owner (in this case it would need to be a representative of the public entity that owns the land in question) to ask you to leave, since, being that it is public property, you have implied permission to be there.  This ordinance makes that requirement to provide notice an unnecessary step.
 
2014-02-12 09:15:08 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


You don't think it gets cold at night in Florida in the winter? You don't think a blanket is as much a comfort to someone on a bench as it is to you in your bed - more so?  Are you suggesting that the cruetly of this law is mitigated by your assessment that the homeless people don't really need blankets like regular people? Is this one of those things where you can satisfy yourself that both sides are stupid?
 
2014-02-12 09:16:19 AM  

Bruce Campbell: Headso: true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.

You don't understand the scenario.  This is an issue regarding public property, not private.  Trespass on public property still requires notice by the owner (in this case it would need to be a representative of the public entity that owns the land in question) to ask you to leave, since, being that it is public property, you have implied permission to be there.  This ordinance makes that requirement to provide notice an unnecessary step.


I'm just happy you got that I was being sarcastic...
 
2014-02-12 09:40:12 AM  

show me:  They need to bootstrap themselves into a good job (like a half term governor, we all know that can't be a difficult job) and pull theyselves out of the gutter.


They could always donate a half million to Obama, and get a sweet ambassadorship to someplace they've never heard of.

SPEAKING OF PENSACOLA, and all of the Florida Panhandle, (aka The Redneck Riviera), I have to admit that it's a strange mix of cultures, and incompetent politicians.  I graduated from UWF in '90, so I have first-hand Knowledge.

There's a certain meanness to the area.  I could never put my finger on the cause, but I almost never go there anymore, except to visit Grayton Beach occasionally.

From Panama City to Pensacola, you have, in varying numbers, at different times of the year:

Itinerant service workers
Wealthy property owners
Navy and Air Force personnel
Snowbirds
Yokels - (see Crestview)
Spring breakers
Toothless fishermen
Annual vacationers
Drug runners
Golfers
College kids
Others (fill in the blank) __________________________________

Some of the stories of sado-masochism and mutilation that I now disremember are horrifying.

The politicians kowtow to the capricious, demanding, petulant money men.  There is almost no middle-class.  Just the very rich, and those who eke out a living.

It's not an easy place to live.
 
2014-02-12 09:44:35 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


No, they're not jailed.  Cops take the blankets and shelters, spray them down with water and pepper spray, and rap them on the head with a baton.  Then they're free to go.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:14 AM  
FTA:  The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: obey the law or freeze to death.

As long as there are homeless shelters in Florida, this is a false dilemma intended to pull at heart strings.

They even have some that allow you to stay with your pets.

The only reason you can't stay in a homeless shelter is because you show up drunk or high.

Sure, we can point a finger at addiction as disease, but don't let this article get it twisted. I have a right to avoid being stepping over human feces when going about my daily activities.
 
2014-02-12 09:47:58 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


A pro debtor's prison stance? Try harder, I'm sure you can think up some kind of Final Solution to the poor people infestation.
 
2014-02-12 09:48:48 AM  
I don't live there so I don't know for sure, but it is very likely there are homeless shelters where people can get a hot meal and a warm place to sleep a shower and some kind of government provided social services are available.  They don't allow drugs or alcohol, so the homeless don't like them.  If we assume there are such places, this law is really not onerous at all but probably beneficial to the homeless by forcing more of them into shelters where they might get help if they are willing to accept it.

If there are no such places, then, yes, it's a cruel draconian evil law to say choose between freezing or jail.
 
2014-02-12 09:52:28 AM  

gfid: Point02GPA: Headso: just give them homes.

I was going to suggest solar powered portable heaters, but now I'm down with "homes".

I'll just leave this here:

100,000 Homes: Housing the homeless saves money?


I saw that story on the TV.  I was compelled by the before and after pics of the participants who had been placed in the homes.

Quite touching and inspiring.
 
2014-02-12 09:54:23 AM  

on the road: Says here it's Pensacola.   Certainly ain't Mensacola.


clapping softly as if watching someone play golf
 
2014-02-12 10:01:04 AM  
Are they enforcing this against the homeless?  I think that's the important thing.  Without some law like this you get some crazy "Into the Wild" mofos just opting for free rent in the city square, or worse some occupy miscreant, and you want some legal ammunition to clear that problem up.  But if you are using this to yank some sweet blankets off of crazy vets then you get a special place in hell.
 
2014-02-12 10:09:49 AM  
Every farker who is concerned about the homeless should adopt one, feed clothe and shelter him. I think that would do wonders for the "homeless problem".
 
2014-02-12 10:20:58 AM  

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


They may be doing unspeakable things under those blankets that are only appropriately done under the blankets in good Christian homes.
 
2014-02-12 10:23:34 AM  

Lee451: Every farker who is concerned about the homeless should adopt one, feed clothe and shelter him. I think that would do wonders for the "homeless problem".


I think farkers would be more inclined to videotape them fighting, steal their weed and cheap wine or just fark them.

But your intent is noble, sir; your heart is pure. You are man amongst men.
 
2014-02-12 10:37:01 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Headso: Bruce Campbell: Prophet of Loss: So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?

No.  Denying people with no place to go from making basic shelter wherever they damn well please is fine.

true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.

Perhaps you could explain that to the Fort Lauderdale PD then because they arrest quite a few people for trespassing.


The word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary
 
2014-02-12 10:45:56 AM  

foo monkey: fark your site.  I'm not enabling a half-dozen cookies to read text.


I've been running into that mega-multiple cookies crap a LOT lately.

Oh, and PDick, eat some of this:

Robert McMurtry: I never imagined I'd ever be homeless, 'cause I had-- I really worked really hard my whole life and it was just devastating really when it happened because I never imagined that I would be in this condition.
 
2014-02-12 10:51:58 AM  

CivicMindedFive: I don't live there so I don't know for sure, but it is very likely there are homeless shelters where people can get a hot meal and a warm place to sleep a shower and some kind of government provided social services are available.  They don't allow drugs or alcohol, so the homeless don't like them.  If we assume there are such places, this law is really not onerous at all but probably beneficial to the homeless by forcing more of them into shelters where they might get help if they are willing to accept it.

If there are no such places, then, yes, it's a cruel draconian evil law to say choose between freezing or jail.


There are lots of shelters, all of which offer a bed and some sort of meals. Most of them also offer job rehab and there are plenty of places that like to hire for odd jobs from these shelters, in order to give back to the community. There are also soup kitchens, and free food banks associated with the shelters.

I've spent time volunteering and working with homeless people, many of those using the services feel the same way about those who refuse because it gives the one's trying a bad name.

The reasons people don't like to stay in shelters is because they can't drink or do drugs, they have to be in by 10pm and they have to be awake and out by 9am. It doesn't lend itself well to self-destructive, behavioral choices.
 
2014-02-12 10:58:08 AM  

Mell of a Hess: show me:  They need to bootstrap themselves into a good job (like a half term governor, we all know that can't be a difficult job) and pull theyselves out of the gutter.

They could always donate a half million to Obama, and get a sweet ambassadorship to someplace they've never heard of.

SPEAKING OF PENSACOLA, and all of the Florida Panhandle, (aka The Redneck Riviera), I have to admit that it's a strange mix of cultures, and incompetent politicians.  I graduated from UWF in '90, so I have first-hand Knowledge.

There's a certain meanness to the area.  I could never put my finger on the cause, but I almost never go there anymore, except to visit Grayton Beach occasionally.

From Panama City to Pensacola, you have, in varying numbers, at different times of the year:

Itinerant service workers
Wealthy property owners
Navy and Air Force personnel
Snowbirds
Yokels - (see Crestview)
Spring breakers
Toothless fishermen
Annual vacationers
Drug runners
Golfers
College kids
Others (fill in the blank) __________________________________

Some of the stories of sado-masochism and mutilation that I now disremember are horrifying.

The politicians kowtow to the capricious, demanding, petulant money men.  There is almost no middle-class.  Just the very rich, and those who eke out a living.

It's not an easy place to live.


Your forgot the Holy Roller, amigo.

Olive Baptist Church and Pace Assembly of God frown on your godlessness.
 
2014-02-12 11:07:15 AM  
Solution! Have a charity issue the homeless heavy, warm ponchos.
 
2014-02-12 11:08:54 AM  
What_do_you_want_now:

Your forgot the Holy Roller, amigo.

Olive Baptist Church and Pace Assembly of God frown on your godlessness.


I stand corrected, sir.  Good point.  I also forgot displaced generations of the descedents of Osceola and the like - you know - Injuns.
 
2014-02-12 11:09:23 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You know how I know you know nothing about geography and climate?
 
2014-02-12 11:10:23 AM  

Lee451: Every farker who is concerned about the homeless should adopt one, feed clothe and shelter him. I think that would do wonders for the "homeless problem".


Is that your final solution?
 
2014-02-12 11:12:22 AM  
So "city council of Pensacola" = "Florida" now? When did that happen?
 
2014-02-12 11:13:08 AM  
I'm ok with this.  Go to a shelter or a place designated for camping.  If you want to give the homeless a place to sleep, buy some property and allow them to camp there.

It's also not that uncommon.  Austin has pretty much the same law.  The homeless around here camp on vacant lots because the police can't do anything about it without the property owner telling them the campers are trespassing (and he doesn't know they're there unless he's checking regularly).
 
2014-02-12 11:19:00 AM  

Mell of a Hess: What_do_you_want_now:

Your forgot the Holy Roller, amigo.

Olive Baptist Church and Pace Assembly of God frown on your godlessness.

I stand corrected, sir.  Good point.  I also forgot displaced generations of the descedents of Osceola and the like - you know - Injuns.


No worries, my family still lives there so I keep tabs on the place. There's a reason I try not to stay more than 3 weeks in the place.

I graduated High School with most the current police force in Pace/Milton/Jay area. I'd probably get arrested on sight because they're all elitist douchebags who couldn't wrangle out that baseball/football scholarship.

Really, there are only 2 ways out of that damned place, a Scholarship or Enlistment. I chose the latter and have enjoyed my life ever since.
 
2014-02-12 11:20:17 AM  
Feel free to go down town and pickup a poor and bring em home for the winter.

Otherwise, shaddup
 
2014-02-12 11:28:30 AM  
What_do_you_want_now:
Really, there are only 2 ways out of that damned place, a Scholarship or Enlistment. I chose the latter and have enjoyed my life ever since.

I am a lifelong resident of New Orleans, but we visited the beach in Destin ever since post-Camille days, circa 1969.  Used to be you couldn't even get a radio station at the beach cottage.  Now, the vacationers feel compelled to drive 80 MPH everywhere they go,  Drunk, of course.

Went to UWF, and lifeguarded the beach, 'cause I thought that would be cool.  It was.  Taught a semester of HS English at Choctawhatchee in FWB.

I left as soon as that gig ended.  Never looked back.
 
2014-02-12 12:28:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Thank you, Mr. potato head. We will take that under advisement.
 
2014-02-12 12:39:23 PM  
0If you walk up to a legislator and pee on his leg they'll put you in a nice warm building, with a bed and even feed you.
 
2014-02-12 12:52:02 PM  

ongbok: I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


It's Florida.   I doubt the intention is altruistic.
 
2014-02-12 01:37:16 PM  

RobSeace: Mnemia: I'm sure there are no homeless people in Pensacola; after all, it's the hub of fundamentalist Christianity for the whole Southeast. Jesus commanded that Christians take care of the poor, hungry, and naked, so I'm sure anyone homeless has all their needs attended to with so many Christians around.

Oh, great, you just blew up my sarcasm detector due to overload!


Yeah, you should have seen all the support Chik-Fil-A got when they needed it!

/Lines wrapped around the block to show them gheys, seriously!
 
2014-02-12 01:40:31 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Headso: Bruce Campbell: Prophet of Loss: So denying people with no place to go basic shelter is fine with a fine pinnacle of humanity such as yourself?

No.  Denying people with no place to go from making basic shelter wherever they damn well please is fine.

true, little known fact: in Florida there is no such thing as trespassing, these kinds of ordinances are the only thing keeping homeless people from sleeping right on your porch.

Perhaps you could explain that to the Fort Lauderdale PD then because they arrest quite a few people for trespassing.


Quite a few people are arrested for trespassing on the sidewalk around las olas. cop "you have to leave" anyone "i'm standing on the sidewalk" cop "you're under arrest for trespassing"

/yes this is exactly how it goes down
 
2014-02-12 02:17:45 PM  
What the fark, Florida?

In Tucson, we bring 'em indoors to temporary shelters when it gets cold.

Seriously, what the fark?
 
2014-02-12 02:35:20 PM  
That headline is unfair. Under that Pensacola law, covering yourself with a blanket is equally illegal in hot weather.
 
2014-02-12 03:19:18 PM  

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: I really don't know what the best solution is here.

I have a modest proposal...


A final solution, you could say?
 
2014-02-12 03:56:26 PM  

CFitzDE: That headline is unfair. Under that Pensacola law, covering yourself with a blanket is equally illegal in hot weather.


And the idiots that run the place are supposed to see a problem with this?

/They don't
//Stuck-up Teabagger Christian Farkwits, glad I fled the place.
 
2014-02-12 06:21:15 PM  

stuffy: 0If you walk up to a legislator and pee on his leg they'll put you in a nice warm building, with a bed and even feed you.


I wouldn't exactly call it warm and while the grub they give you is, technically, edible I wouldn't call it food.

I suppose a cold cell with cafeteria slop is better than nothing though.
 
2014-02-12 08:09:48 PM  

Gentoolive: Feel free to go down town and pickup a poor and bring em home for the winter.

Otherwise, shaddup


I agree. If you don't personally have the proper facilities and training to provide housing, support and psychological counselling to a homeless person then you are obligated to hold political views as hostile towards homeless people as is possible.
 
2014-02-13 04:54:12 AM  

strangeluck: It does occur to me, that a possible reason for the "camping ordinance," is it could help with pushing out protestors, like those Occupy Wall street idiots. Or other people actually causing problems for malicious reasons.

But as the gov has seen, the flip side to the law, is that it really does hurt some innocent people.


This was my takeaway as well. I think the Mayor proposed the rule as some red meat to throw the anti-Occupy types, and thereby get himself some conservative cred.

Now homeless people--many of them veterans, in a heavily-military town--are suffering, and he's had a "change of heart".

Good, I say. Hope the City Council decides not to be shiats about it.
 
2014-02-13 04:56:26 AM  

mycatisposter: Pensacola was a liberal cesspool, which is why many of us left there, but it was starting to come back around.


I gotta ask, when the hell was that?

I was born there in 1978, and it's been a bible-thumping, military-minded, right-wing loony bin since I can remember.

Downtown sure looks nice now, though.
 
2014-02-13 03:25:33 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


Photos of the launch complex the day before Shuttle Challenger was launched:

www.mahal.org www.mahal.org www.chacocanyon.com
 
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