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(Crooks & Liars)   Running out of other ways to inflict cruelty on the poor, Florida now makes it illegal for the homeless to cover themselves in a blanket during freezing weather   (crooksandliars.com) divider line 163
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2014-02-11 11:38:32 PM
What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?
 
2014-02-11 11:56:00 PM

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.
 
2014-02-12 12:04:53 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I really don't know what the best solution is here.


I have a modest proposal...
 
2014-02-12 12:36:42 AM

fusillade762: TuteTibiImperes: I really don't know what the best solution is here.

I have a modest proposal...


Hah!

But seriously, teh homeless don't taste very good, so what are we going to do with the bodies? They need to bootstrap themselves into a good job (like a half term governor, we all know that can't be a difficult job) and pull theyselves out of the gutter.
 
2014-02-12 01:33:55 AM

TuteTibiImperes: At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep


Jail ain't warm.
 
2014-02-12 02:39:41 AM
Is Pensa Cola the new Kool-Aid for the Cult of Bootstrap folks?
 
2014-02-12 03:16:33 AM
I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.
 
2014-02-12 03:28:00 AM
Pensacola authorities later announced that anyone caught violating this ordinance would be let off with house arrest.
 
2014-02-12 03:50:54 AM
To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.
 
2014-02-12 04:33:02 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


You're right of course, I NEVER gets cold at night when you're near a very large body of water.
 
2014-02-12 04:33:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


The low tonight in Pensacola, FL is supposed to be 38 degrees.  Just because it gets warm during the day, doesn't mean it's warm at night all the time.

Even with the standard low for this time of year (mid 50's)  - you'd still want something.

But hey, who cares - they're just poor and homeless, right?
 
2014-02-12 04:35:18 AM
Really, what is the justification for this? Drug use?
 
2014-02-12 04:35:34 AM
They could hope for a kind manager to lock them in a dumpster.
 
2014-02-12 04:36:00 AM

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.


But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?
 
2014-02-12 04:39:02 AM
Light Rain
48°F 9°C
Feels Like 44°FHumidity 94%Barometer 29.91 in. 759.7 mm
Dew Point 46°FWind NNE 9 MPH
Visibility 9SM
 
2014-02-12 04:39:27 AM
Well it glaringly obvious they are hoping this law drives all the homeless out before they get sued over it.   I seriously hope the Police refuse to enforce it.


Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they arelikely hoping they go further south in Florida.

Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.
 
2014-02-12 04:40:12 AM
The mayor (who introduced this legislation) now opposes it.  It will be on the agenda at tomorrow's city council meeting.  It would have been on it last month, but the council president blocked a vote.
 
2014-02-12 04:46:54 AM

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


It's Florida. The less sense you try to make of the place, the better. Leave your brain and synapses at the door.
 
2014-02-12 04:47:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.


Actually, it does. GIS "Orange groves with icicles".

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

If by "designed" you mean "reported" then yeah you're dead on.

I'm guessing you were trolling, but then again, who knows.
 
2014-02-12 04:49:12 AM

wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?


I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.
 
2014-02-12 04:53:36 AM

grimlock1972: Well it glaringly obvious they are hoping this law drives all the homeless out before they get sued over it.   I seriously hope the Police refuse to enforce it.


You seriously expect the police to not be sadistic monsters? HAHAHAAHHAHAHA
 
2014-02-12 04:54:53 AM
I know in most of the cases homeless people they'd much rather have a home but seriously why is not having a wood box bolted to the ground so criminal? If someone genuinely wanted to live without address I can't think of a single fundamental objection.
 
2014-02-12 04:55:21 AM
If these takers would just accept jesus as their saviour their mental health problems would disappear.
 
2014-02-12 04:58:38 AM
Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.
 
2014-02-12 04:59:05 AM

ongbok: Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


If the possible reasons for the ordinance are a choice between 'getting them in the system to help them' and 'driving the dirty bums out of our town', I would be very surprised if it is the former rather than the latter.
 
2014-02-12 04:59:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Get a brain! Morans.
 
2014-02-12 05:03:15 AM

ongbok: I remember reading somewhere that these types of tactics, arresting the homeless for anything, were being used in some places to actually force them to get involved with social services who in turn could get them treatment, housing and help them with job placement. Otherwise in a lot of cases the homeless wouldn't approach social services themselves for various reasons. the way it supposed to work is when the police arrest a homeless person for one of these crimes, it automatically triggers social services to step in and take them for evaluation. So this new ordinance doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it could also just be another way to fark with homeless.


I don't know if there's any truth to that, but if there is the law should be written such that cooperating with social services results in no criminal record and even expunging the arrest record for such offenses.  You could even define cooperation as several months of at least trying to work with the system.
 
2014-02-12 05:04:32 AM
Hey, the law is the same for everybody.

Rich people can't sleep under the bridge either.
 
2014-02-12 05:06:24 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.


Are you saying that if you happened to become homeless for whatever reason, it would be your preference that you would be charged with a ridiculously stupid crime and be hauled off to jail?

I hitchhiked across the country many years ago. I was technically "homeless" during that time because I was effectively living out of a backpack. Under no circumstances would I have chosen to be hauled off to jail on some bullshiat charge instead of the life I had chosen for myself at the time.

AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.


Out trying to win hearts and minds again, I see. I must say, you're amazingly good at it. I'm sure you win people over to your way of thinking every time you drop a wisdom bomb like that in a thread. Don't ever change. You're perfect just the way you are.
 
2014-02-12 05:06:55 AM
just more proof that Republicans are sociopaths
 
2014-02-12 05:10:03 AM

DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?


I don't know about non-cruel, but the law is an anti-"camping" ordinance, the purported rationale presumably being to keep sidewalks and parks and the courthouse steps and so forth available for their intended use rather than overrun with impromptu campsites and fires and such. Obviously it appears to be meant for moving hoboes on -- no shelter, bathing, or cooking allowed around here.

Bonus: theoretically they could use this law against anyone who falls asleep on their picnic blanket at the park, or nods off while reading the newspaper on a park bench, or any homeless guy who sleeps NEXT TO a homeless guy with a sleeping bag.

On the other hand, if the local people don't like it they can just permit the homeless to sleep on their property; this rule doesn't apply then.


5 star chef of tv dinners: To be fair, I highly doubt anyone is freezing to death in florida unless the fall asleep inside a walk-in freezer but it's still a dumb, pointless law.


There was a day in January when the high in Pensacola was 33ºF. And homeless people aren't necessarily the healthiest individuals in the first place.
 
2014-02-12 05:14:21 AM

Point02GPA: Blankets have been quite the sore spot in America's history.


That's a rather dark and mostly unrelated thing to bring up in such a way. Oddly enough, it may not have ever actually happened (the way it is so often described). Here is a paper I found particularly interesting on the subject. I wouldn't say it's absolutely conclusive, but it does make a pretty compelling argument.
 
2014-02-12 05:15:07 AM
I remember in Florida a few years back a couple of high schoolers were going out and beating homeless guys to death with a bat for kicks. They were identified by a bank camera, arrested, and I didn't hear what happened to them after that, but I think they may have been elected to city council?
 
2014-02-12 05:15:41 AM

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.


Hah! The cops will just confiscate their blankets and shelter and leave them to freeze to death
 
2014-02-12 05:17:54 AM
I try not to be a grammar nazi, but shouldn't the second sentence of TFA read, "The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: break the law or freeze to death."?
 
2014-02-12 05:18:07 AM

TheGrayCat: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

The low tonight in Pensacola, FL is supposed to be 38 degrees.  Just because it gets warm during the day, doesn't mean it's warm at night all the time.

Even with the standard low for this time of year (mid 50's)  - you'd still want something.

But hey, who cares - they're just poor and homeless, right?


4 degrees celcius is cold enough to cause hypothermia. I might live in the north and have a much better adapted body for dealing with the cold, but long term exposure will still kill... no matter how tough you think you are. Just like hyperthermia can kill at bigger temperatures, especially if you can't get access to clean drinking water.
 
2014-02-12 05:20:56 AM
That sounds reasonable to me subby.  We can't have a gigantic blanket covering all of the homeless people in Florida without there being a lot of problems right?
 
2014-02-12 05:23:08 AM

beroff: I try not to be a grammar nazi, but shouldn't the second sentence of TFA read, "The "camping" ordinance presents homeless people with a difficult choice: break the law or freeze to death."?


Yeah... they kind of screwed that up in the article.
 
2014-02-12 05:27:09 AM

justaguy516: Really, what is the justification for this? Drug use?


Homeless are clever things. They could be doin anything under them blankets!

/Stupid law is stupid
 
2014-02-12 05:31:59 AM

wadjet: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: What in gods name is a non-cruel justification for this?

It does seem to be capriciously mean-spirited, but what happens if they're caught?  Do they get arrested and taken into jail?

At least there they'll get a warm place to sleep, three meals a day, access to medical care, and a chance to get clean.

People shouldn't be living on the streets, but I don't think banning the use of blankets is necessarily the best way to go about it.  Jail isn't a perfect solution either, as while it may be better than the sidewalk, throwing the homeless in with hardened criminals could also be potentially dangerous for them.

I really don't know what the best solution is here.

But this isn't deserving of the arrest record that will come of that, which creates barriers to housing and employment. See how that works?


Ah, but that's the beauty of it...put them in jail and they don't need other housing or employment.

Now, if there were only some way you could get corporations to profit from this......I wonder.....
 
2014-02-12 05:32:40 AM

grimlock1972: Seriously the only logical purpose of such a law is to drive out the homeless, they are likely hoping they go further south in Florida.


Where the large, man-eating snakes can get them. . . Hmmmm. . . .
 
2014-02-12 05:42:10 AM
JohnnyC~

Thanks for the link.

/ur utube is fascinating. Great job.
 
2014-02-12 05:47:00 AM
feral cats need a food supply too, and no one is letting them inside.
 
2014-02-12 05:53:08 AM

Monkeyman935: feral cats need a food supply too, and no one is letting them inside

Great name for a homeless Jazz Quintet.

 
2014-02-12 06:01:10 AM
Should anybody believe that money doesn't matter more than people, and that money doesn't get served first, and we are subordinate to money - by law - you're beginning to seem delusional.  Money was invented to serve people.  Now we serve it or we go to jail.  Think about that.
 
2014-02-12 06:05:17 AM

Vertdang: AverageAmericanGuy: I bet it gets really cold down there in Florida.

Another non-story designed to drum up hatred for the Right.

You're right of course, I NEVER gets cold at night when you're near a very large body of water.


I'll second this. I've only ever been there on vacation, but I distinctly remember going down there on vacation during the winter when I was a toddler. Other than getting hopelessly lost and miraculously not getting picked up by a pedo in Disney Land, I remember it being incredibly cold... and even snowing.

Yes, Florida does get incredibly cold and while it's not exactly Maine, it can get cold enough for people to develop hypothermia if they're not properly covered.
 
2014-02-12 06:11:08 AM
The homeless flock to Florida every winter.  Worse than the blue hairs do even.  If nothing is done then all the lazy non working people from the north will have taken over and us natives in Florida will get bad press because the northern folks do such stupid things... oh.. never mind, that already happens.

/screw it, let them freeze.
 
2014-02-12 06:11:59 AM
grimlock1972:
Seriously anyone who supports such an assnine law should be made to live on the streets for a week with no out side aid beyond what all homeless folks in the area can get.

You've hit the core problem right there; it was decided by a group of people (and agreed with by a larger group) that cannot even come close to the thought that some people are dealing with a bad hand at life. The closest they would have come to poverty is their ATM card being rejected by the machine that one time and having to break a hundred at starbucks.

They're not delusional, because for them that's normal. They're all going to have opinions on pulling up bootstraps, or how life being good to them and not others is just "God's Plan".

Only real positive to take from it is that should we ever get to a revolution it won't be the 1% getting caught by the mob and losing their heads, it'll be these guys.
 
2014-02-12 06:18:43 AM
Glaringly missing from the article: Is anyone enforcing this?
 
2014-02-12 06:23:18 AM
It does occur to me, that a possible reason for the "camping ordinance," is it could help with pushing out protestors, like those Occupy Wall street idiots. Or other people actually causing problems for malicious reasons.

But as the gov has seen, the flip side to the law, is that it really does hurt some innocent people.
 
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