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(Chron)   Nolan Ryan decides to close out his career at the bottom   (blog.chron.com) divider line 29
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2014-02-11 07:58:41 PM  
no shocker there.  just hope jon daniels isnt completing his transformation in becoming tom hicks any time soon.
 
2014-02-11 08:11:04 PM  
Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?
 
2014-02-11 08:20:11 PM  

MFAWG: Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?


Not really. He wanted to work with his son.
 
2014-02-11 08:34:42 PM  
Goddamndogassastros
 
2014-02-11 08:35:25 PM  
The Astros have the top farm system in the league. They're not going to be on the bottom long, especially with the Mariners' long term "have Robinson Cano play three positions and pitch every three days" plan.
 
2014-02-11 08:38:28 PM  

Outlaw2097: no shocker there.  just hope jon daniels isnt completing his transformation in becoming tom hicks any time soon.


I'm having my doubts about Daniels. I like most of his moves but Shin Soo Choo has disappointment written all over him.
 
2014-02-11 08:42:06 PM  

MFAWG: Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?


Really? Going to work with your son in your home town for a team you played for is a snub to the Rangers?
 
2014-02-11 09:28:45 PM  

MFAWG: Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?


no. he wanted more power on the baseball operations side of things. the Rangers told him "no," so he quit and went somewhere that would allow him to meddle. I don't think the Rangers are afraid of someone they didn't deem worthy enough to run their team going to help run the weakest team in the division.

mikemoto: I'm having my doubts about Daniels. I like most of his moves but Shin Soo Choo has disappointment written all over him.

if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?
 
2014-02-11 09:38:38 PM  

Uncle Pooky: MFAWG: Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?

no. he wanted more power on the baseball operations side of things. the Rangers told him "no," so he quit and went somewhere that would allow him to meddle. I don't think the Rangers are afraid of someone they didn't deem worthy enough to run their team going to help run the weakest team in the division.

mikemoto: I'm having my doubts about Daniels. I like most of his moves but Shin Soo Choo has disappointment written all over him.

if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?


They went from being in the World Series to being a wild card team to being a team ousted in a tiebreaker game. I think my worry is warranted.
 
2014-02-11 10:20:21 PM  
I wonder what Robin Ventura thinks of this... If he ever recovered from the epic ass-whooping that Ryan laid upon him.
 
2014-02-11 10:24:18 PM  
Ryan, 67,


Sigh.  I don't want to be old.
 
2014-02-11 10:27:22 PM  

Guy McRule: I wonder what Robin Ventura thinks of this... If he ever recovered from the epic ass-whooping that Ryan laid upon him.


Well, the Astros were the only team to finish below his White Sox last year in the AL (and only 1 game better than the Marlins)
 
2014-02-11 11:03:05 PM  

mikemoto: Uncle Pooky: MFAWG: Wow, that's a huge 'fark YOU!!!' to the stRangers, isn't it?

no. he wanted more power on the baseball operations side of things. the Rangers told him "no," so he quit and went somewhere that would allow him to meddle. I don't think the Rangers are afraid of someone they didn't deem worthy enough to run their team going to help run the weakest team in the division.

mikemoto: I'm having my doubts about Daniels. I like most of his moves but Shin Soo Choo has disappointment written all over him.

if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?

They went from being in the World Series to being a wild card team to being a team ousted in a tiebreaker game. I think my worry is warranted.


If putting a World Series team was easy, I'm betting more GMs would do it.
 
2014-02-11 11:03:20 PM  

Cagey B: The Astros have the top farm system in the league. They're not going to be on the bottom long, especially with the Mariners' long term "have Robinson Cano play three positions and pitch every three days" plan.


We don't really need pitchers up here. We need outfielders, but we have as good a staff as anybody.
 
2014-02-11 11:17:11 PM  
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SOON
 
2014-02-11 11:19:25 PM  

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2014-02-11 11:33:07 PM  

Uncle Pooky: if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?


It's a combo of Daniels and Washington. Any screwup Daniels makes is going to be made worse by Washington, and Washington's screwups have to get cleaned up by Daniels. Sometimes they agree on screwing up, and then you get something like what happened in 2012, when Michael Young was an everyday black hole in the lineup yet never benched.

If the manager was a bit more competent, I could be more comfortable with some of the moves Daniels makes. Well, except for his penchant for doing business with the Chicago Cubs. That shiat just needs to stop now.
 
2014-02-12 12:02:11 AM  
busblog.tonypierce.com

Doesn't matter where he ends up. We'll always have this.
 
2014-02-12 12:11:47 AM  

Hempmonkey: Doesn't matter where he ends up. We'll always have this.


I didn't know the back story to that until recently. Apparently that day they were told if anything happened they had to charge the mound. If you watch the video RV pauses before going out. Reflecting on what he was told that day he had to do. He had no desire to get his ass handed to him, but he had no choice.
 
2014-02-12 01:08:40 AM  
This may be a good opportunity to bring up the 2014 edition of the Fark Fantasy Baseball league.
 
2014-02-12 01:13:20 AM  
I just went to Nolan's Baseball-reference page.  Holy shiat.

They ought to rename the game Ryanball.
 
2014-02-12 01:21:46 AM  

Cagey B: This may be a good opportunity to bring up the 2014 edition of the Fark Fantasy Baseball league.


I dunno about that. This is a thread about Nolan Ryan, who is generally well liked on Fark. We should clearly wait for a thread about Adam Dunn, Zack Greinke, Yasiel Puig....

You know, Everyone Fark Hates.
 
2014-02-12 02:20:24 AM  

Kygz: I just went to Nolan's Baseball-reference page.  Holy shiat.

They ought to rename the game Ryanball.


Nolan Ryan was really good. The Ks, no-hitters, 300 wins, and being an above average pitcher for damn near all 27 years that he pitched pretty much punched his ticket to Cooperstown.

But in reality, his numbers don't stack up with alot of his contemporaries. Seaver was much better, Carlton was a hair better, Blyleven was a bit better as well. Perry, Niekro, and Jenkins seem to edge him out a bit, too.
 
2014-02-12 03:15:33 AM  
Uncle Pooky:
if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?

I'd have my doubts if I was a Rangers fan. Choo is on the wrong side of 30, and is a guy that has some very recent steps back in production in 2012. He had a career resurgence playing in the NL, but there's some very real worries about him continuing that production in the AL at his age.

Prince Fielder is another guy with some major noteable red flags.

Rangers fans have room to be nervous about this season. I'd actually be willing to be money on the A's winning the division again, or even the Angels.
 
2014-02-12 08:26:47 AM  

ladodger34: Kygz: I just went to Nolan's Baseball-reference page.  Holy shiat.

They ought to rename the game Ryanball.

Nolan Ryan was really good. The Ks, no-hitters, 300 wins, and being an above average pitcher for damn near all 27 years that he pitched pretty much punched his ticket to Cooperstown.

But in reality, his numbers don't stack up with alot of his contemporaries. Seaver was much better, Carlton was a hair better, Blyleven was a bit better as well. Perry, Niekro, and Jenkins seem to edge him out a bit, too.


He spent his career playing on teams with no run support, and  still managed to grab 300 wins.  If he'd been drafted by a different New York team, he'd be the last word in post-dead-ball-era pitchers.
 
2014-02-12 09:05:58 AM  

lacydog: Uncle Pooky:
if you can say you like most of his moves, then you should be very happy with him as a GM. he's turned the Rangers into annual contenders for the postseason, why would you have your doubts?

I'd have my doubts if I was a Rangers fan. Choo is on the wrong side of 30, and is a guy that has some very recent steps back in production in 2012. He had a career resurgence playing in the NL, but there's some very real worries about him continuing that production in the AL at his age.

Prince Fielder is another guy with some major noteable red flags.

Rangers fans have room to be nervous about this season. I'd actually be willing to be money on the A's winning the division again, or even the Angels.


The A's are probable to win the division. Their bullpen was excellent last year, but blew about 3 saves for every 10. With Luke Gregerson and Jim Johnson, that seems to have been resolved. The Angels were mining for oil and struck shiat when they signed Pujols and Hamilton, so they'll be eating those contracts for a while. Picking up David Freese and Raul Ibanez was a nice move, but losing Mark Trumbo is gonna hurt in the runs column. I don't even think I have to mention the LAstro's here; they'll be good someday, but this year isn't it.
 
2014-02-12 09:13:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: If he'd been drafted by a different New York team, he'd be the last word in post-dead-ball-era pitchers.


He was only with the Mets for 4 full years. Don't blame the team that drafted him so much as blame his agent for not getting him to a contending team. If he were drafted by the Yankees in the late 60s they weren't exactly contenders either. Other than 1970 they were averaging low 80s/high 70s for wins until the mid 70s.
 
2014-02-12 10:11:03 AM  

Night Night Cream Puff: UNC_Samurai: If he'd been drafted by a different New York team, he'd be the last word in post-dead-ball-era pitchers.

He was only with the Mets for 4 full years. Don't blame the team that drafted him so much as blame his agent for not getting him to a contending team. If he were drafted by the Yankees in the late 60s they weren't exactly contenders either. Other than 1970 they were averaging low 80s/high 70s for wins until the mid 70s.


Yeah, the Mets were probably (okay, they were) better than the Yanks were while Nolan was in New York.

Regardless, his WHIP was rather pedestrian (1.24 isn't great) because he walked too many guys, his ERA+ is 112, which is on the low end for HOFers (Seaver was at 127). He might have played on mediocre teams, but he wasn't great at preventing runs. The walks just hurt him too much to even put him in the 'best ever' conversation.
 
2014-02-12 04:18:01 PM  

ladodger34: The walks just hurt him too much to even put him in the 'best ever' conversation.


True. Hall of Famer for sure, but definitely not best ever.
 
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