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(Patheos)   Because Lemon v. Kurtzman wasn't clear enough for him, Alabama legislator proposes bill that would require 15 minutes of prayer reading every school day. But it's okay, 'cuz it's a prayer from the House and Senate records, right?   (patheos.com) divider line 56
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2014-02-11 06:35:36 PM  
9 votes:

Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.


Because organized religion, especially fundamentalist, evangelical Christianity, is losing ground with the successive generations in America. Despite what some, including people who post on FARK, would like you to think, American Christians are doing a very good job at alienating the youth of America from being a part of their religion - mainly because of their support of social conservatism, and their hypocrisy when it comes to things like women and human rights in America. In addition, American children and teens are continually learning that they can think on their own with the move away from organized religion being involved in public schools since the 1970s, and even someone with a basic education in logic and history is going to question the idea that - for example - there is a big man in the clouds waiting to punish them for their slightest infraction.

The only way to get these kids is to get them early. The goal is indoctrination, pure and simple.

If you notice a running trend with these people, whenever it's Christianity, it's okay. But when it's a non-Christian religion, they write it off as people abusing the law, "trolling them", or just "hating Christians"
2014-02-11 06:49:55 PM  
5 votes:

RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.


The "civics lesson" in question being "What theocrats will do if you don't stop them."
2014-02-11 09:11:19 PM  
4 votes:
How weak is their faith that they need validated every five minutes?

Religion turns people off of religion.
2014-02-11 06:53:01 PM  
4 votes:
No big deal, just get one of the few Democrats in the Alabama legislature to add a clause to the bill requiring that they must pray to a different god each day.  15 mins for the Xtian god, Tuesday pray to Allah, Wednesday Odin, Thursday Thor, Friday Jupiter...I bet they will back the hell up off the bill really quickly.  Also, why the hell are their prayers being read in their House and Senate either?  Should Alabama just go ahead and change it's name to "The Iran of the South?"
2014-02-11 06:52:48 PM  
4 votes:

RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.


Daily civics lessons from the Congressional record can easily be learned without the use of the daily prayer. Thus, prong 3 of the Lemon test (excessive religious entanglement) is violated.  And, since it limits its reading of the Congressional record to only the daily prayers, it thus can be argued to fail prong 2, as well.  The argument would pass prong 1 if and only if the entire Congressional record was allowed; but in limiting the scope to the daily prayers, it also fails prong 1.  So this bill is wholly and entirely unconstitutional, and fails at the purpose you falsely ascribe to it.

/Thus, why I used Lemon v. Kurtzman in th headline.
2014-02-12 10:07:28 AM  
3 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?

I don't live in Alabama so it's none of my business. If it is their purpose to make good people out of the students, then maybe it's a good idea. After all, isn't that what school is all about, to develop good citizens? Let's not pretend the establishment has all the answers.


Let's not pretend that you become a good person just by praying. Or that praying is in any way relevant to being a good person.
2014-02-12 01:23:18 AM  
3 votes:

KenShabby: Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics.

Maybe it's time Talibama got another, different lesson in history and civics.

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2014-02-11 07:45:14 PM  
3 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?


It's complicated.

Back when it was predominantly Protestants in the US, they had some anti-Catholic sentiment, but no one really cared about prayer in schools, cause indeed the schoolhouses often had a minister teaching.  Well, eventually you had boatloads of Irish come over, and we had some Protestants start to freak out over Catholics getting government money to teach at Catholic schoolhouses, and they did a lot of reinforcing of the Wall of Separation of Church and State in the interim years (apologies for gross over simplification).

Fast forward to the Red Scare, and you had Christians of all stripes tripping over themselves trying to prove how Christian and therefore how American they were so they wouldn't be accused of being godless commies.

That, in my opinion is where a lot of this derp comes from.  You had a massive propaganda storm for 50+ years that equated godlessness with un-American behavior, and it is going to take a lot of time to correct that perception.

Never mind that the First Amendment specifically prohibits the government, both federal and state, from establishing a religion or preventing the free exercise thereof, they've gone so long starting sessions of the legislature with Christian prayers, swearing in on Bibles, putting God on our money, etc. that for someone to challenge that, it must mean they are un-American, evil, and out to destroy that which they feel makes this country great.
2014-02-11 07:18:44 PM  
3 votes:
I get the purpose of proselytization, but this extreme imposition, this coercion into religion baffles me. It is so blatantly desperate, so abundantly counterintuitive, so pants-sh*ttingly aggressive, how can they possibly think that people will even consider converting, or barring conversion, sit idly by without raising a fuss? Unless, of course, the long(ish)-term goal is to use that "opposition" (inferred to be "oppression" by the most conservative wingnuts) to further rile up the base (LOOK HOW MUCH THESE LIBRULS HATE OUR RELIGION), keeping the "oppressed Christian" machine whirling and twirling far into eternity. It may also just be a by-product that they have no idea how (or intention to) control.

Whatever the case, reserving 15 minutes at the end of a school day for anything but school work seems kind of dumb.
2014-02-11 06:58:53 PM  
3 votes:
We really do need a law that states that when a legislator submits a piece of legislation that is ruled unconstitutional, they have to forfeit their pay for the year.
2014-02-11 06:58:45 PM  
3 votes:

IlGreven: hardinparamedic: Submitter, I know this has been pointed out to you by someone else before, but....

They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end.

That's why you hit 'em across the nose with a rolled-up newspaper Constitution and say "Bad legislator! No treat for you!"

/Then make them stick their nose in the Unconstitutionality of it.


Any politician that submits legislation that violates the constitution (either when submitted or after a ruling) should be fired.
2014-02-11 06:44:33 PM  
3 votes:
I grew up in England. We have a state religion, and we had prayers and hymns in school every morning. And I'm here to tell you, it doesn't stick. We might as well have been reciting nonsense syllables.

So the double-derp here is that not only is this unconstitutional, it's also futile. But at least the people advocating it get to feel good about themselves.
2014-02-11 06:26:36 PM  
3 votes:
Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.
2014-02-11 06:24:20 PM  
3 votes:
For a party that hates to have government waste, they sure love to waste money on petty crap like this.
2014-02-11 08:46:18 PM  
2 votes:

coeyagi: Pokey.Clyde: jso2897: Well, if you were the creator of the galaxies and supernovas and black holes and event horizons - wouldn't you insist that some hairless apes on one of an infinite number of balls of dirt you created stop whatever they are doing and lavish praise upon you daily?

I hope you don't really think that it works that way. Otherwise, you're an even bigger moron than I've previously given you credit for.

So, what you're saying is that I don't need to go to church and kiss his rosy red ass?  I can go on and be a much better person than many Christians I meet?  Doing the Lord's work even though I don't worship him?  COOL!


I'm waiting for him to explain how things really work.

/popcorn
2014-02-11 07:58:09 PM  
2 votes:

Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer?


Because if you pump in more prayer and deprive kids of education, you raise a new generation of rock-stupid, perpetually-afraid, conformist, violent, hate-filled, obedient hillbilly drones who will vote gop every time.

And the gop knows their current herd of gullible stupid idiots is dying off fast.
2014-02-11 07:32:40 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?


Also yes.
2014-02-11 07:32:37 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?


Yes.
2014-02-11 07:24:33 PM  
2 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: jso2897: Well, if you were the creator of the galaxies and supernovas and black holes and event horizons - wouldn't you insist that some hairless apes on one of an infinite number of balls of dirt you created stop whatever they are doing and lavish praise upon you daily?

I hope you don't really think that it works that way. Otherwise, you're an even bigger moron than I've previously given you credit for.


So, what you're saying is that I don't need to go to church and kiss his rosy red ass?  I can go on and be a much better person than many Christians I meet?  Doing the Lord's work even though I don't worship him?  COOL!
2014-02-11 07:21:01 PM  
2 votes:

RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.


Hey, if you want to dabble with religion in my schools that I pay for with my tax payer money, why not dabble in LSD, peyote, shrooms or the like?  As long as we're talking about mass delusions....
2014-02-11 07:04:21 PM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: The only way to get these kids is to get them early. The goal is indoctrination, pure and simple.


To paraphrase Doug Stanhope: "Nobody would believe that shiat if you didn't push it through the soft spot on their skulls when their young."
2014-02-11 07:02:58 PM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: hardinparamedic: Submitter, I know this has been pointed out to you by someone else before, but....

They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end.

That's why you hit 'em across the nose with a rolled-up newspaper Constitution and say "Bad legislator! No treat for you!"

/Then make them stick their nose in the Unconstitutionality of it.


This only works if you catch them in the act. Otherwise they just look at you with sad eyes and you've taught them nothing.
2014-02-12 02:38:18 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Submitter, I know this has been pointed out to you by someone else before, but....

They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end don't give a fark and will do what they darn well please and if you try and stop them they will continue to not give a fark and will do what they darn well please. .Ad nauseam

 .

They are still fighting
2014-02-12 02:16:26 AM  
1 votes:
Schools shouldn't be recruitment zones for evangelicals. They have Jesus Camp for that.
2014-02-12 12:57:34 AM  
1 votes:
Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics.

Maybe it's time Talibama got another, different lesson in history and civics.

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2014-02-12 12:40:34 AM  
1 votes:

JerkStore: Is anyone else concerned that there are people who work in government looking for loopholes like this? No prayer in school? Fine, we'll put a prayer in something that IS permitted in school, and force the kids to read THAT. Holy shiat that's farked up in about ten different ways. It's like they're trying to game the system, but I can't even imagine what their end game is. Why does ANYONE care about making kids pray? I don't want my kids praying, so why are farkheads like this so concerned about making them do it? Who the hell cares?

Please, someone explain to me why these idiots care so much about making kids pray that they're willing to go to such Machiavellian lengths to make it happen. I totally don't get it.


In a nutshell, they are control-freaks.
2014-02-11 10:53:09 PM  
1 votes:
I hope it passes, and then he finds out that because he didn't specify, the mandatory prayer is from the Qur'an from now on.
2014-02-11 10:33:20 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: Some reflections on "prayer":

A Letter From God
Dear Humanity: I don't mean to be rude, but would you all be so kind as to shut the f**k up? Even in my omnipotence, I lack the means to express how deeply, profoundly bored I am with you and your endless snivelling. Your hubris and sense of entitlement boggles even my infinite mind. I should have let you perish the last time you screwed up, and you can be sure I'll never lift another of my mighty fingers to save you from your own stupidity again.
Just as an example, it has recently come to my attention that, among other absurdities, many of you actually think I care what you do to each other with your naughty bits. Are you for real?
Heres some truth for you: You are not "divine beings" - not in any sense of the word. You are smelly, quarrelsome, incredibly vain hairless apes. I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I created you (to be fair, the Evolve-o-matic is a rather unreliable piece of hardware, and you can't always predict what it will spit out), but let's just say that you are far from my best work.
Get the f**k over yourselves.
And as far as prayer - I put that on voicemail a long time ago - and I just dump it every millenia or so.
Do you seriously think I'm going to listen to that crap? "Make Julio truly love me!" - "Cure my mother's cancer!" - "End war and hunger!"
On an on and on until I want to fry your whole friggin' planet with a supernova.
And that last one REALLY pisses me off. You want to end war? How about you stop killing each other over s***t a dog would know better than to fight over, you jackwagons?
You want to end hunger - how 'bout you give each other some food now and then, you stupid bastards? It's not like I didn't give you abundance far beyond any of your petty, pointless needs.
Seriously - I don't f**king care, and quit caring long ago.
I gave you everything you need to establish this "Heaven"* place you're always yapping about, all by yourselves. So do it, you lazy cocksuckers!!! ...


All that raving about us, and yet god actually thinks "one or two" percent of us get it right? Oh vanity does rule us all.
2014-02-11 10:17:41 PM  
1 votes:

firefly212: Having seen what they do with marriage, ya... they really do need government validation of their beliefs.


It's getting to where they seem to need every validation that they can get.
2014-02-11 10:12:38 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?


That would involve posting on-topic. That would break one of Noam's little rules.
2014-02-11 10:08:12 PM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?


Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?
2014-02-11 10:04:57 PM  
1 votes:
Some reflections on "prayer":

A Letter From God
Dear Humanity: I don't mean to be rude, but would you all be so kind as to shut the f**k up? Even in my omnipotence, I lack the means to express how deeply, profoundly bored I am with you and your endless snivelling. Your hubris and sense of entitlement boggles even my infinite mind. I should have let you perish the last time you screwed up, and you can be sure I'll never lift another of my mighty fingers to save you from your own stupidity again.
Just as an example, it has recently come to my attention that, among other absurdities, many of you actually think I care what you do to each other with your naughty bits. Are you for real?
Heres some truth for you: You are not "divine beings" - not in any sense of the word. You are smelly, quarrelsome, incredibly vain hairless apes. I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I created you (to be fair, the Evolve-o-matic is a rather unreliable piece of hardware, and you can't always predict what it will spit out), but let's just say that you are far from my best work.
Get the f**k over yourselves.
And as far as prayer - I put that on voicemail a long time ago - and I just dump it every millenia or so.
Do you seriously think I'm going to listen to that crap? "Make Julio truly love me!" - "Cure my mother's cancer!" - "End war and hunger!"
On an on and on until I want to fry your whole friggin' planet with a supernova.
And that last one REALLY pisses me off. You want to end war? How about you stop killing each other over s***t a dog would know better than to fight over, you jackwagons?
You want to end hunger - how 'bout you give each other some food now and then, you stupid bastards? It's not like I didn't give you abundance far beyond any of your petty, pointless needs.
Seriously - I don't f**king care, and quit caring long ago.
I gave you everything you need to establish this "Heaven"* place you're always yapping about, all by yourselves. So do it, you lazy cocksuckers!!!

* As far as "Heaven" - do you honestly think I'm going to bring any of you up here to live with me after you kick it? So you can f**k up my home the way you've f**ked up yours? Think again.
And no, Lucifer doesn't want you either. He's a man of wealth and taste, for s***t's sake! Do you think he wants to hang around with a bunch of louse-ridden monkeys that can't find their asses with both hands in broad daylight?
How 'bout "No".
I gave you a good long lifetime - make something out of it, like the one or two percent of you who are worth shiat already do.
In conclusion - just shut the f**k up. I'm not listening.
Sincerely yours, God.
2014-02-11 09:05:21 PM  
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?


The one on top of your pin head.
2014-02-11 08:58:43 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?


Having seen what they do with marriage, ya... they really do need government validation of their beliefs.
2014-02-11 08:53:49 PM  
1 votes:

Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.


Because they've been told they can't do it.  And since they need constant reinforcement because their faith and ideals are weak, they think everyone else needs it too.
2014-02-11 08:38:28 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.

Well, if you were the creator of the galaxies and supernovas and black holes and event horizons - wouldn't you insist that some hairless apes on one of an infinite number of balls of dirt you created stop whatever they are doing and lavish praise upon you daily?


lol

That was awesome.
2014-02-11 08:05:52 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-02-11 08:00:09 PM  
1 votes:

JerkStore: Is anyone else concerned that there are people who work in government looking for loopholes like this? No prayer in school? Fine, we'll put a prayer in something that IS permitted in school, and force the kids to read THAT. Holy shiat that's farked up in about ten different ways. It's like they're trying to game the system, but I can't even imagine what their end game is. Why does ANYONE care about making kids pray? I don't want my kids praying, so why are farkheads like this so concerned about making them do it? Who the hell cares?

Please, someone explain to me why these idiots care so much about making kids pray that they're willing to go to such Machiavellian lengths to make it happen. I totally don't get it.


It's less about Jesus and more about political power. The first church (or politician) who can successfully force prayer into schools wins a ton of political clout in the Deep South. That's why they keep looking for loopholes to try to circumvent the Constitution.
2014-02-11 07:55:23 PM  
1 votes:
"They could read the prayer from the day war was declared in World War II," he said. "They could read the prayer the day after Sept. 11."

Okay, you Dominionist Dickhead. How about this prayer?

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2014-02-11 07:40:49 PM  
1 votes:
Is anyone else concerned that there are people who work in government looking for loopholes like this? No prayer in school? Fine, we'll put a prayer in something that IS permitted in school, and force the kids to read THAT. Holy shiat that's farked up in about ten different ways. It's like they're trying to game the system, but I can't even imagine what their end game is. Why does ANYONE care about making kids pray? I don't want my kids praying, so why are farkheads like this so concerned about making them do it? Who the hell cares?

Please, someone explain to me why these idiots care so much about making kids pray that they're willing to go to such Machiavellian lengths to make it happen. I totally don't get it.
2014-02-11 07:38:14 PM  
1 votes:

grimlock1972: "But don't worry!  Rep. Steve Hurst is going to fix all of that. House Bill 318 has the solution to all those pesky education woes, and it won't cost the government a dime! "

LOLwut?

If this passes and i hope it does not it sure as hel will cost Alabama heavily defending its self in a lawsuit it cannot win.


I personally look forward to John Carpenter's "Escape from the Deep South".

F*ck them all, they deserve all the bad sh*t that is happening to them.
2014-02-11 07:37:52 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?


Absolutely yes.
2014-02-11 07:32:02 PM  
1 votes:
I'll never understand the far rights obsession with prayer in school.  Are they REALLY that insecure they need government validation of their beliefs?  Or is this just another way to harass the non-believers?
2014-02-11 07:29:26 PM  
1 votes:

RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.


There is a place for such learning experiences about the U.S. Congress. As you suggest, its in Civics class, where an entire unit (rather than 15 minutes) should be done on social and legal relationship between religion and government in the U.S., including (but not limited to) RFRA, the  Lemon case, the Hialeah case, and the  Barnettcase.

Of course, our Alabama legislator would not be happy with this entirely reasonable approach. Because he's acting in bad faith What about you?
2014-02-11 07:18:25 PM  
1 votes:
"They could read the prayer the day after Sept. 11."

Is that the one that ends with "Allahu Akbar"?
2014-02-11 07:11:19 PM  
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Mr. Hurst, just how many pounds of paint chips wall candy did you eat as a child??


Please use terminology that he will understand.
2014-02-11 07:10:04 PM  
1 votes:

Teresaol31: No big deal, just get one of the few Democrats in the Alabama legislature to add a clause to the bill requiring that they must pray to a different god each day.  15 mins for the Xtian god, Tuesday pray to Allah, Wednesday Odin, Thursday Thor, Friday Jupiter...I bet they will back the hell up off the bill really quickly.  Also, why the hell are their prayers being read in their House and Senate either?  Should Alabama just go ahead and change it's name to "The Iran of the South?"


*intercom crackles*

"Good morning, we'd like to remind all students of the upcoming academic decathalon will be attended by our Mathaletes and all students are welcome to attend and cheer them on. I'd also like to remind you that after last year's embarrassing behavior, eggs and old fruit are no longer allowed in the auditorium."

"Please bow your hear for our morning prayer. Today it will be to... how do you even say this? Cutoolhoo? Is that right?"

"Ia! Ia! Shub Niggurath! Ia Cthulhu! Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"
2014-02-11 06:49:43 PM  
1 votes:
 FTFA:"Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics."

And what happens when the clergy invited to give a prayer is Muslim, or Hindu, or Scientologist, or some such.  Will it then be just about history and civics, ir will it be "they're trying to make my baby not be a Chreeestian!!!!"
2014-02-11 06:46:17 PM  
1 votes:

RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.


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2014-02-11 06:31:32 PM  
1 votes:

Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.


You think they want kids to actually learn things like history, science, and math? Ha. If they learned that, how will they grow up to be Republicans?
2014-02-11 06:30:46 PM  
1 votes:

Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.


We can't possibly miss a single opportunity to indoctrinate our children. Also, if there is no school prayer, it logically follows that they must be worshiping Satan there.
2014-02-11 06:30:38 PM  
1 votes:
is this Alabama looking at Kansas, Louisiana and Missouri and screaming "we have more Jesus than you!"
2014-02-11 06:16:39 PM  
1 votes:
Submitter, I know this has been pointed out to you by someone else before, but....

They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end.
2014-02-11 06:05:41 PM  
1 votes:
"Let's waste more money."
2014-02-11 05:56:38 PM  
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: It ain't Thor or Odin were talking about on our money.


it ain't god or yaweh we're talking about in our constitution or declaration of independence, either.
2014-02-11 04:59:16 PM  
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: It's ok because America is a Christian nation founded on Christian ideals.


it is?
 
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