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(Patheos)   Because Lemon v. Kurtzman wasn't clear enough for him, Alabama legislator proposes bill that would require 15 minutes of prayer reading every school day. But it's okay, 'cuz it's a prayer from the House and Senate records, right?   (patheos.com) divider line 125
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2014-02-11 10:27:23 PM  

elchip: I hope someone makes them study this prayer.


Damn I was hoping it was going to be

You are a fluke...of the universe...you have no right to be here
...and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back...
 
2014-02-11 10:33:20 PM  

jso2897: Some reflections on "prayer":

A Letter From God
Dear Humanity: I don't mean to be rude, but would you all be so kind as to shut the f**k up? Even in my omnipotence, I lack the means to express how deeply, profoundly bored I am with you and your endless snivelling. Your hubris and sense of entitlement boggles even my infinite mind. I should have let you perish the last time you screwed up, and you can be sure I'll never lift another of my mighty fingers to save you from your own stupidity again.
Just as an example, it has recently come to my attention that, among other absurdities, many of you actually think I care what you do to each other with your naughty bits. Are you for real?
Heres some truth for you: You are not "divine beings" - not in any sense of the word. You are smelly, quarrelsome, incredibly vain hairless apes. I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I created you (to be fair, the Evolve-o-matic is a rather unreliable piece of hardware, and you can't always predict what it will spit out), but let's just say that you are far from my best work.
Get the f**k over yourselves.
And as far as prayer - I put that on voicemail a long time ago - and I just dump it every millenia or so.
Do you seriously think I'm going to listen to that crap? "Make Julio truly love me!" - "Cure my mother's cancer!" - "End war and hunger!"
On an on and on until I want to fry your whole friggin' planet with a supernova.
And that last one REALLY pisses me off. You want to end war? How about you stop killing each other over s***t a dog would know better than to fight over, you jackwagons?
You want to end hunger - how 'bout you give each other some food now and then, you stupid bastards? It's not like I didn't give you abundance far beyond any of your petty, pointless needs.
Seriously - I don't f**king care, and quit caring long ago.
I gave you everything you need to establish this "Heaven"* place you're always yapping about, all by yourselves. So do it, you lazy cocksuckers!!! ...


All that raving about us, and yet god actually thinks "one or two" percent of us get it right? Oh vanity does rule us all.
 
2014-02-11 10:53:09 PM  
I hope it passes, and then he finds out that because he didn't specify, the mandatory prayer is from the Qur'an from now on.
 
2014-02-12 12:02:23 AM  
Which god?
 
2014-02-12 12:05:09 AM  

Smackledorfer: hardinparamedic: Summoner101: Why is there such a hard on for school prayer? Kids are at school for a third to half the day with break time through out to pray if they want. Is there not enough time in the day that kids need time cut away from learning to pray? God sounds like a prima donna if he needs that much attention.

Because organized religion, especially fundamentalist, evangelical Christianity, is losing ground with the successive generations in America. Despite what some, including people who post on FARK, would like you to think, American Christians are doing a very good job at alienating the youth of America from being a part of their religion - mainly because of their support of social conservatism, and their hypocrisy when it comes to things like women and human rights in America. In addition, American children and teens are continually learning that they can think on their own with the move away from organized religion being involved in public schools since the 1970s, and even someone with a basic education in logic and history is going to question the idea that - for example - there is a big man in the clouds waiting to punish them for their slightest infraction.

The only way to get these kids is to get them early. The goal is indoctrination, pure and simple.

If you notice a running trend with these people, whenever it's Christianity, it's okay. But when it's a non-Christian religion, they write it off as people abusing the law, "trolling them", or just "hating Christians"

Jesus loves you despite your blasphemous words.

He saves.

He has what people crave.


Electrolytes?
 
2014-02-12 12:40:34 AM  

JerkStore: Is anyone else concerned that there are people who work in government looking for loopholes like this? No prayer in school? Fine, we'll put a prayer in something that IS permitted in school, and force the kids to read THAT. Holy shiat that's farked up in about ten different ways. It's like they're trying to game the system, but I can't even imagine what their end game is. Why does ANYONE care about making kids pray? I don't want my kids praying, so why are farkheads like this so concerned about making them do it? Who the hell cares?

Please, someone explain to me why these idiots care so much about making kids pray that they're willing to go to such Machiavellian lengths to make it happen. I totally don't get it.


In a nutshell, they are control-freaks.
 
2014-02-12 12:57:34 AM  
Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics.

Maybe it's time Talibama got another, different lesson in history and civics.

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2014-02-12 01:05:55 AM  

KenShabby: Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics.

Maybe it's time Talibama got another, different lesson in history and civics.

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Nah - violence is not the answer. It's like beating a mule - you'll only make him stupider, and more sullenly stubborn than he was before.
 
2014-02-12 01:23:18 AM  

KenShabby: Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics.

Maybe it's time Talibama got another, different lesson in history and civics.

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2014-02-12 02:16:26 AM  
Schools shouldn't be recruitment zones for evangelicals. They have Jesus Camp for that.
 
2014-02-12 02:38:18 AM  

hardinparamedic: Submitter, I know this has been pointed out to you by someone else before, but....

They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end don't give a fark and will do what they darn well please and if you try and stop them they will continue to not give a fark and will do what they darn well please. .Ad nauseam

 .

They are still fighting
 
2014-02-12 03:12:09 AM  
 FTFA:"Hurst said the bill would help students learn more about history and civics."

I just love how eager these assholes are to shiat all over the 9th Commandment.
 
2014-02-12 04:51:17 AM  

theknuckler_33: Even in Alabama, this isn't going to get through the legislature.

/right?


It might. Politicians will gladly vote for a law they know is destined to be overturned in court just so they can tell the rubes that they're Good Christians with a pro-Jesus voting record when they go up for reelection.
 
2014-02-12 05:02:23 AM  
I would now like to read from Potsie's Letter to the Tuscaderos.
 
2014-02-12 05:02:56 AM  

doctor wu: I would now like to read from Potsie's Letter to the Tuscaderos.


Signed

dren
 
2014-02-12 05:14:57 AM  

hardinparamedic: They don't care. You can quote SCOTUS and Constitutional law to these people till you're blue in the face. They genuinely believe that none of that matters, because "God is on their side" and they'll win in the end.


Except even in a place as ass-backwards as Alabama, this is unlikely to pass and if it does pass it'll stand for all of five minutes before some judge clears his schedule long enough to casually post a legal ruling declaring that no one has to follow it.

There's really only one state in the nation where rule of law doesn't win over religion, and that state is Oklahoma.  Every other state actually has something to lose from the economic consequences of blatantly defying the constitution (the aftermath of these kinds of laws is  expensive, both in terms of legal appeals and in automatic-judgement civil suits against the state... all of which are eventually overseen by the circuit courts, which hold no loyalty to individual states).  Even Alabama has industries and manufacturing and so on that they need to not be spending every dime of their tax money defending stupid shiat in court to support.

All that said, there is still some political value to proposing the law, even if it won't pass, because basically it allows you to post off of the work of the churches and hijack all the effort they've put into brainwashing their guys for your own benefit.
 
2014-02-12 05:49:47 AM  
Religionists religioning......
 
2014-02-12 07:50:28 AM  
ABORTION IS WRONG.  Which is why we pro-lifers work to prevent people from getting all forms of contraception, even (especially) condoms for teens because MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, leading to...

RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.  Which is why we fundies want to force our religion on everybody.

Now apply this kind of thought process to other mantras like WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM or ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE BREAKING THE LAW or TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY and I wonder what happens to them.
 
2014-02-12 08:56:57 AM  

theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?


I don't live in Alabama so it's none of my business. If it is their purpose to make good people out of the students, then maybe it's a good idea. After all, isn't that what school is all about, to develop good citizens? Let's not pretend the establishment has all the answers.
 
2014-02-12 09:11:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Except even in a place as ass-backwards as Alabama, this is unlikely to pass and if it does pass it'll stand for all of five minutes before some judge clears his schedule long enough to casually post a legal ruling declaring that no one has to follow it.


Except it DOES stand a good chance of passing, and existing for enough time to make the lives of others a living hell until the State Supreme Court or the SCOTUS overturns the law. A local or circut judge for Alabama is more than likely not going to overturn the law, and allow it to continue unabated.

Most people who would be affected by this law will not say a word about their discomfort and feeling of being violated, because they don't want their entire town to turn against them and be threatened with ostracism, or even outright violence. Look at what happened with the FFRF took on the Watertower Cross built by the City of Whiteville, TN in 2011. The entire town started a witch hunt to find out who filed the initial complaint with the FFRF, including trying to get it subpoenaed from them.

Jim_Callahan: Even Alabama has industries and manufacturing and so on that they need to not be spending every dime of their tax money defending stupid shiat in court to support.


Most of those industries are concentrated in the Urban areas, which like the rest of the South tend to vote democrat and be more apt to have liberal political leanings. The rest of Alabama, the rural parts, overwhelmingly vote Republican, and that's where the people that propose this kind of BS come from, and who they pander to.

Jim_Callahan: All that said, there is still some political value to proposing the law, even if it won't pass, because basically it allows you to post off of the work of the churches and hijack all the effort they've put into brainwashing their guys for your own benefit.


I do agree with this, however. These people are pandering to Modern Evangelicals persecution complexes.
 
2014-02-12 09:58:47 AM  

coeyagi: RandomExcess: It is a learning experience for the kids, and a daily 15 min civics lesson is not too much to ask of future citizens.

Hey, if you want to dabble with religion in my schools that I pay for with my tax payer money, why not dabble in LSD, peyote, shrooms or the like?  As long as we're talking about mass delusions....


I object at this comparison as "mass delusions."

You can learn important things from good LSD, shrooms, and the like.
 
2014-02-12 10:07:28 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?

I don't live in Alabama so it's none of my business. If it is their purpose to make good people out of the students, then maybe it's a good idea. After all, isn't that what school is all about, to develop good citizens? Let's not pretend the establishment has all the answers.


Let's not pretend that you become a good person just by praying. Or that praying is in any way relevant to being a good person.
 
2014-02-12 05:09:12 PM  

grumpfuff: You can learn important things from good LSD, shrooms, and the like.


IM HAVING A FREAKOUT UP TO TEN YEARS LATER!

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2014-02-12 10:08:03 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?

I don't live in Alabama so it's none of my business. If it is their purpose to make good people out of the students, then maybe it's a good idea. After all, isn't that what school is all about, to develop good citizens? Let's not pretend the establishment has all the answers.


Would it make good people out of the students if they read prayers that I write?
 
2014-02-12 11:08:36 PM  

artifishy: Noam Chimpsky: theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: Dred Scott wasn't clear to Lincoln. What's your point?

Instead of being vague, why not chime in on the proposed legislation described in TFA? Do you agree with it or not? Simple question. Do you think it makes sense to require the reading of a prayer every day in public schools?

I don't live in Alabama so it's none of my business. If it is their purpose to make good people out of the students, then maybe it's a good idea. After all, isn't that what school is all about, to develop good citizens? Let's not pretend the establishment has all the answers.

Would it make good people out of the students if they read prayers that I write?


Here's mine. Should the children read this every day. If you say "no", why not?

By the Symbol of the Creator, I swear henceforth to be
A faithful Servant of his most puissant Arch-Angel
The Prince Lucifer Whom the Creator designated as His Regent
And Lord of this World

Amen.

I deny Jesus Christ, the Deceiver
And I abjure the Christian Faith
Holding in contempt all of it's Works

As a Being now possessed of a human Body In this World I swear to give my full Allegiance
To it's lawful Master, to worship Him
Our Lord Satan, and no other
In the name of Satan, the ruler of Earth
Open wide the Gates of Hell and come forth from the Abyss
By these Names: Satan, Leviathan, Belial, Lucifer
I will kiss the Goat

I swear to give my mind, my Body and Soul unreservedly
To the Furtherance of our Lord Satan's Designs

Do What Thou Wilt, Shall Be The Whole Of The Law

As it was in the Beginning, is now, and ever shall be World without End

Amen.
 
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