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(Think Progress)   Voting should not be easy. You should to want to vote as bad as that person in Africa who's willing to walk 200 miles. Which is why I'm eliminating half the polling places in your minority neighborhood   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 122
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2014-02-11 05:03:57 PM
"At least we're not Africa" is no way to decide on policy.
 
2014-02-11 05:10:34 PM
it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.
 
2014-02-11 05:15:34 PM
 
2014-02-11 05:19:02 PM
Well, if you can't win in a fair fight...cheat! Sigh. Republicans.
 
2014-02-11 05:22:29 PM
Bennett also repeatedly noted that he had discussed the move with civil rights groups and both the Republican and "Democrat" Parties.

That's it, from now on I'm going to refer to the GOP as the "Republic" party. Fair is fair.
 
2014-02-11 05:24:31 PM
Good thing the VRA is there to protect...wait, what?
 
2014-02-11 05:24:33 PM
I expect a lawsuit over this, especially considering his earlier comments when he was in the Florida Senate.
 
2014-02-11 05:28:16 PM

fusillade762: Bennett also repeatedly noted that he had discussed the move with civil rights groups and both the Republican and "Democrat" Parties.

That's it, from now on I'm going to refer to the GOP as the "Republic" party. Fair is fair.


To be fair I think he called it "democrat" party because he is an idiot and doesn't know the correct name
 
2014-02-11 05:29:45 PM
The nerve of this farker

This is just so wrong on so many levels
 
2014-02-11 05:32:25 PM
Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles to vote?

Or did he just make that up?
 
2014-02-11 05:35:34 PM

vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles


well if they do, they don't proclaim it.
 
2014-02-11 05:36:58 PM

FlashHarry: vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles

well if they do, they don't proclaim it.


Well played.
 
2014-02-11 05:38:26 PM

FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.


Weaver95: Well, if you can't win in a fair fight...cheat! Sigh. Republicans.


so easy to fix
ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)
TADA
paper recount trail
no more wasted time and money
no more lines
no more problems with not enough voting booths and what not

I guess this would help the dems and hurt the gops though.

/I really hate these people and their desire to destroy america.
 
2014-02-11 05:46:50 PM
fark him and fark those other five assholes that voted for this.

farking pussies
 
2014-02-11 05:50:40 PM
I'm surprised he didn't say people with dark-colored skin should have to do the Michael Jackson bit if they want to vote.
 
2014-02-11 06:01:40 PM

vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles to vote?

Or did he just make that up?


He's a republican. Of course he's making it up.
 
2014-02-11 06:10:53 PM
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2014-02-11 06:11:24 PM
Was it Texas where they burned the warehouse down that had all the machines for The Poors?
 
2014-02-11 06:12:14 PM
How far are seniors in government-provided scooters walking?
 
2014-02-11 06:13:46 PM

vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles to vote?

Or did he just make that up?


As a former African (I lived there 3 years), I would tend to say no.  No regions in Tanzania were much more than 200 miles, let alone districts within those regions, and voting would be done either at the district or ward level. I would say Tanzania is pretty representative of the average country in Africa (I have visited a good sampling - 10).

So, this guy can fark / kill himself.
 
2014-02-11 06:16:48 PM

namatad: FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.

Weaver95: Well, if you can't win in a fair fight...cheat! Sigh. Republicans.

so easy to fix
ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)
TADA
paper recount trail
no more wasted time and money
no more lines
no more problems with not enough voting booths and what not

I guess this would help the dems and hurt the gops though.

/I really hate these people and their desire to destroy america.


Happy I live in Oregon where we already have vote-by-mail.
 
2014-02-11 06:17:03 PM

FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.


Democrats also want non citizens to vote, people who have lost their right to vote, dead people, etc.  It's the only way they can win.  Just ask our Kenyan president
 
2014-02-11 06:18:09 PM
When I wake up, yeah I know I'm going to be I'm going to be that man who wakes up next to you...
 
2014-02-11 06:18:28 PM
So what I'm getting is this guy thinks he should have to walk 200 miles to vote. Let's work on that just for him and on getting more people to the polls.
 
2014-02-11 06:20:13 PM
Oh I would walk 100 miles
And I would walk 100 more
Just to be the man who walked 200 miles
To vote this assbag out of office
 
2014-02-11 06:21:14 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Kenyan president


*chug*
 
2014-02-11 06:21:51 PM

FlashHarry: vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles

well if they do, they don't proclaim it.


Thanks for the earworm. *grumble*
 
2014-02-11 06:22:23 PM
At least he gets to check the racism and party-before-country boxes in one move. I'm sure that's a handy time-saver for him.
 
2014-02-11 06:26:04 PM
If your party can't gerrymander the elections strongly enough, just get rid of the polling places that are inconvenient for your party.
 
2014-02-11 06:29:46 PM

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.

Democrats also want non citizens to vote, people who have lost their right to vote, dead people, etc.  It's the only way they can win.  Just ask our Kenyan president


I do believe that legal resident aliens should have the right to vote.  They're paying taxes and 'in the system' so they should get say in how things work.
 
2014-02-11 06:33:36 PM

namatad: ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)


It's that way in Oregon and Washington state now.

Most voter fraud actually happens with mail-in ballots, generally widows voting for dead spouses and whatnot.  So if someone wants to legitimately "be serious" about "voter fraud", they should be arguing for the elimination of mail-in ballots.

Of course, no one does because it wouldn't have the effect desired by voter ID proponents of making it more difficult for minorities to vote.
 
2014-02-11 06:34:27 PM

fusillade762: Bennett also repeatedly noted that he had discussed the move with civil rights groups and both the Republican and "Democrat" Parties.

That's it, from now on I'm going to refer to the GOP as the "Republic" party. Fair is fair.


No. Call them the Antidemocratic Party. It's more accurate.
 
2014-02-11 06:36:00 PM

namatad: FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.

Weaver95: Well, if you can't win in a fair fight...cheat! Sigh. Republicans.

so easy to fix
ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)
TADA
paper recount trail
no more wasted time and money
no more lines
no more problems with not enough voting booths and what not

I guess this would help the dems and hurt the gops though.

/I really hate these people and their desire to destroy america.


Problem with who picks up the ballot boxes and counts the votes/says which votes count.
 
2014-02-11 06:36:32 PM

fusillade762: Happy I live in Oregon where we already have vote-by-mail.


I was furious when voting by mail was made mandatory here in Seattle, because I really liked the ritual of going to my polling place and engaging in a positive act of democracy. Also, I used to take my son with me every time I voted, so that he would grow up to appreciate the gift of representative government.

Now, though, I've grown to appreciate it. Sure, something has been lost, but so much more has been gained. I'm starting to think that it is the only sensible approach.
 
2014-02-11 06:36:41 PM

Aexia: namatad: ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)

It's that way in Oregon and Washington state now.

Most voter fraud actually happens with mail-in ballots, generally widows voting for dead spouses and whatnot.  So if someone wants to legitimately "be serious" about "voter fraud", they should be arguing for the elimination of mail-in ballots.

Of course, no one does because it wouldn't have the effect desired by voter ID proponents of making it more difficult for minorities to vote.


I had someone make a comparison with the voter ID laws to making someone having to show ID to buy a gun.
 
2014-02-11 06:37:11 PM
They're not even trying to hide what they're doing. Lawsuits in 3...2...
 
2014-02-11 06:39:52 PM

Soup4Bonnie: When I wake up, yeah I know I'm going to be I'm going to be that man who wakes up next to you...


Hey, where'd my 'funny' button go?
 
2014-02-11 06:41:18 PM

BMulligan: I really liked the ritual of going to my polling place and engaging in a positive act of democracy. Also, I used to take my son with me every time I voted, so that he would grow up to appreciate the gift of representative government.


Me too.
 
2014-02-11 06:43:20 PM

BMulligan: fusillade762: Happy I live in Oregon where we already have vote-by-mail.

I was furious when voting by mail was made mandatory here in Seattle, because I really liked the ritual of going to my polling place and engaging in a positive act of democracy. Also, I used to take my son with me every time I voted, so that he would grow up to appreciate the gift of representative government.

Now, though, I've grown to appreciate it. Sure, something has been lost, but so much more has been gained. I'm starting to think that it is the only sensible approach.


California gives you the best of both worlds.  Like voting in person?  Go right ahead.  Like voting by mail?  Check the "permanent absentee" box on your voter registration, and you're golden.  Want to vote by mail in just one election?  Tear off the back cover of your sample ballot and mail it back, and boom.
 
2014-02-11 06:43:38 PM

someonelse: Hey, where'd my 'funny' button go?


If you find it, use it for FlashHarry.  He got there before I did.  I got sidetracked listening to some of their other songs I hadn't heard before.
 
2014-02-11 06:45:02 PM

Aexia: namatad: ALL elections are vote by mail. (homeless vote however they currently vote, libraries.)

It's that way in Oregon and Washington state now.

Most voter fraud actually happens with mail-in ballots, generally widows voting for dead spouses and whatnot.  So if someone wants to legitimately "be serious" about "voter fraud", they should be arguing for the elimination of mail-in ballots.

Of course, no one does because it wouldn't have the effect desired by voter ID proponents of making it more difficult for minorities to vote.


FL offers voting by mail, but I don't trust it.  I want to go in and mark the ballot and see it go through the machine and get counted.  I worry that a mailed in ballot would get lost, or that someone corrupt in the vote counting center might start trashing ballots from certain zip codes that don't tend to align with their personal political views.
 
2014-02-11 06:48:11 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: fusillade762: Bennett also repeatedly noted that he had discussed the move with civil rights groups and both the Republican and "Democrat" Parties.

That's it, from now on I'm going to refer to the GOP as the "Republic" party. Fair is fair.

No. Call them the Antidemocratic Party. It's more accurate.


Plutocrat Party.  Or Theocrat Party.

Or Publicans.  (Matthew 18:17.)
 
2014-02-11 06:50:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: California gives you the best of both worlds.  Like voting in person?  Go right ahead.  Like voting by mail?  Check the "permanent absentee" box on your voter registration, and you're golden.  Want to vote by mail in just one election?  Tear off the back cover of your sample ballot and mail it back, and boom.


We used to do that here, but mandatory vote-by-mail was eventually instituted to control costs.

TuteTibiImperes: FL offers voting by mail, but I don't trust it.  I want to go in and mark the ballot and see it go through the machine and get counted.  I worry that a mailed in ballot would get lost, or that someone corrupt in the vote counting center might start trashing ballots from certain zip codes that don't tend to align with their personal political views.


We are able to verify that our ballot has been received and counted. I'm not sure exactly what the process is, but apparently it's fairly simple. Of course, that's not a foolproof solution, but it seems to have prevented any sort of massive fraud sufficient to change the outcomes of elections.
 
2014-02-11 06:53:46 PM

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: it's pretty well established: democrats want more americans to vote, republicans want fewer americans to vote.

why? because republicans know that they cannot win a fair fight. it's as simple as that.

Democrats also want non citizens to vote, people who have lost their right to vote, dead people, etc.  It's the only way they can win.  Just ask our Kenyan president


plonk
 
2014-02-11 06:55:50 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FL offers voting by mail, but I don't trust it.  I want to go in and mark the ballot and see it go through the machine and get counted.  I worry that a mailed in ballot would get lost, or that someone corrupt in the vote counting center might start trashing ballots from certain zip codes that don't tend to align with their personal political views.


If you're worried about bad actors in the elections office, there's no guarantee with in-person voting either. The machine at a polling place doesn't tally votes for races; It's just tracking turnout. The actual tabulation is done centrally. Your ballot could just as easily be discarded at the county office for being from the "wrong precinct"... which is a geography typically more precise and easily matched to prior results than a 5 digit zip code anyways.
 
2014-02-11 06:57:10 PM

vernonFL: Do many Africans actually walk 200 miles to vote?

Or did he just make that up?


Look how far they walk just to return an empty coke bottle.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-11 06:58:30 PM

BMulligan: I was furious when voting by mail was made mandatory here in Seattle, because I really liked the ritual of going to my polling place and engaging in a positive act of democracy. Also, I used to take my son with me every time I voted, so that he would grow up to appreciate the gift of representative government.


I remember my mother taking us rugrats into the voting booth so we could see Democracy in Action.  But my understanding is that most polling places no longer allow that.
 
2014-02-11 07:00:31 PM

Aexia: TuteTibiImperes: FL offers voting by mail, but I don't trust it.  I want to go in and mark the ballot and see it go through the machine and get counted.  I worry that a mailed in ballot would get lost, or that someone corrupt in the vote counting center might start trashing ballots from certain zip codes that don't tend to align with their personal political views.

If you're worried about bad actors in the elections office, there's no guarantee with in-person voting either. The machine at a polling place doesn't tally votes for races; It's just tracking turnout. The actual tabulation is done centrally. Your ballot could just as easily be discarded at the county office for being from the "wrong precinct"... which is a geography typically more precise and easily matched to prior results than a 5 digit zip code anyways.


Interesting.  I thought it worked like a scantron and checked the filled in bubbles.
 
2014-02-11 07:01:39 PM
These tricks actually work for one election - once they effect any real person, suits are filed, and courts toss them - but they do get to use it once. And frankly, that is what the desperate party in question here has been reduced to - they are fending off the future - but not for long.
 
2014-02-11 07:08:25 PM
he told the commissioners that the move would save money and allow the county to offer more early voting sites in the future.

Why 'in the future'?  Why didn't to immediately take another vote on whether or not to allow more early voting?
 
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