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(UPI)   Majority of young adults think astrology is a science   (upi.com) divider line 164
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2014-02-11 02:36:30 PM
Well, it's a pseudoscience.

/What's your sign?
 
2014-02-11 02:40:28 PM
I'd be really surprised if kids actually knew the difference between astronomy and astrology.
 
2014-02-11 02:40:48 PM
In college Astronomy 101 was called "Astronomy & Cosmology", but we used to joke that it was called
"Astrology & Cosmetology".

Emphasis on "JOKE".....
 
2014-02-11 03:02:10 PM
This just in, most people who are bored/stupid enough to take surveys don't pay attention to most of what they read. More at 11.
 
2014-02-11 03:02:48 PM
www.steinerbooks.org

I have three copies on my prep table, waiting warehouse labels. I'm not helping.
 
2014-02-11 03:04:21 PM
As a firm believer in evolution, it's obvious that given how long astrology has been around, that it's probably valid.
 
2014-02-11 03:04:39 PM

North_Central_Positronics: I'd be really surprised if kids actually knew the difference between astronomy and astrology.

 
2014-02-11 03:05:03 PM
Maybe if we rebrand it Astrolomogy, people might notice how ridiculous it is.
 
2014-02-11 03:07:17 PM
With helpful pic of astronomy.
 
2014-02-11 03:07:29 PM
I have it on the authority of several scienticians that astrology is real.
 
2014-02-11 03:08:49 PM
Nancy Reagan used it to run the country when Mr. Reagan started to drool into his Apple Jacks.
 
2014-02-11 03:08:59 PM
Of course they do. They don't actually know what that big word means, but they know a fancy science-y Greek suffix when they hear one.
 
2014-02-11 03:10:28 PM

germ78: Maybe if we rebrand it Astrolomogy, people might notice how ridiculous it is.


Not gonna lie... I still get Astronomy and Astrology confused and say the wrong one for each. Usually just say: "the Science of the Universe... That one!" to get my point across.
 
2014-02-11 03:10:42 PM
Majority of young adults think astrology is a science  attend sorry, underfunded, understaffed, public high schools because rich Turds (whose mice go to private schools, thank you) want tax cuts because they deserve it.


done in one sentence.  (:
 
2014-02-11 03:11:12 PM
Now, see, if their moon was in Saturn at perihelion they'd never fall for that kind of bullsh*t
 
2014-02-11 03:13:44 PM
And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.
 
2014-02-11 03:14:05 PM
Obviously they're the same, they both deal with stars.
 
2014-02-11 03:14:27 PM
About the only X sign =Y personality trait astrology thing I've ever found to be true is Tauruses are Type A control freaks, no exceptions just like rule 34.
 
2014-02-11 03:15:00 PM

Khellendros: And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.


Hey, I still want to open a Behavioral Change Clinic that uses Applied Phrenology to get the job done.
 
2014-02-11 03:15:03 PM

Khellendros: And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.


I love confusing Psychology with Psychiatry.
 
2014-02-11 03:15:31 PM
Good.  My kids will need cheap domestic labor.
 
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2014-02-11 03:15:31 PM
Ahh...flashback to every holiday gathering from when I was 10 to 20. Occasionally seen relative wanted to talk about something so she would bring up my interest in astrology. I could try to explain that astrology and astronomy were two different subjects. Or I could endure the holiday wondering why people mixed up science and quasi-religious pseudoscience no matter how many times you corrected them.

He was always a quiet boy. Nobody could see the pressure building up inside him...
 
2014-02-11 03:16:01 PM
I'm surprised that it's that few people. Between the anti-vaxers, creationists, climate change deniers, 9/11 truthers, the retard virus is a deeply entrenched epidemic.
 
2014-02-11 03:16:37 PM
Teach the controversy!
 
2014-02-11 03:17:46 PM

North_Central_Positronics: I'd be really surprised if kids actually knew the difference between astronomy and astrology.


What is the difference, 50 IQ points
 
2014-02-11 03:18:49 PM

dittybopper: Well, it's a pseudoscience.


Furthermore, it's a pseudoscience in the classical sense, much like alchemy. The methods of astrology do not match up with the modern scientific method, but there are strict methods to follow.

Obviously, from a modern perspective, those methods are seriously flawed. In astrology's case, the flaw is that it fails to establish any causal link between the motions of the various heavenly bodies and, well, anything else, really. But the existence of a method is what distinguishes classical pseudosciences from outright making shiat up. For that reason, although I personally would not rate astrology as "sort of" scientific, I can understand why someone might use this line of reasoning to rate it so, and I cannot hold it against them.

Now, that said, I also very much doubt that most of these students were following this line of reasoning. More likely, I think, is that most of them simply forgot which one is astrology and which one is astronomy, and answered "sort of" as though it were some kind of compromise. I wonder: was astronomy also on this survey, and how many students answered "sort of" for both?
 
2014-02-11 03:19:16 PM
It's crazy that people would think astrology is a real science. It's not like it was phrenology or something.
 
2014-02-11 03:21:53 PM
Can't bad science still be science?

After all, bad sex is still sex.
 
2014-02-11 03:22:00 PM
What dumbasses. They must be Capricorns.
 
2014-02-11 03:23:27 PM
The tasty, tasty, science?

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2014-02-11 03:24:10 PM

clambam: It's crazy that people would think astrology is a real science. It's not like it was phrenology or something.


i Lol'd.
 
2014-02-11 03:24:57 PM

akula: Khellendros: And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.

Hey, I still want to open a Behavioral Change Clinic that uses Applied Phrenology to get the job done.


Thor - victory through advanced alternate application of frantic phrenology.
 
2014-02-11 03:25:22 PM

dittybopper: Well, it's a pseudoscience.

/What's your sign?


I was born under the sign Maternity Ward.
/You?
 
2014-02-11 03:26:45 PM

Khellendros: akula: Khellendros: And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.

Hey, I still want to open a Behavioral Change Clinic that uses Applied Phrenology to get the job done.

Thor - victory through advanced alternate application of frantic phrenology.


My head hurtth when I try to parth that.
/Thor.
 
2014-02-11 03:28:34 PM
Like the sweet science of boxing?
 
2014-02-11 03:30:57 PM
Horoscopes are printed in the newspapers, so Astrology must be a real thing. Just like Marmaduke.
 
2014-02-11 03:32:24 PM
Not surprising, given the percentage of young adults that think evolution is not science.
 
2014-02-11 03:33:23 PM
Back when they used to have these things called "book stores," I once measured the shelf space allotted to astrology vs astronomy.  Astrology was the hands-down winner, with over 110 feet of shelf space to Astronomy's 6 and change.
 
2014-02-11 03:33:41 PM

dittybopper: Well, it's a pseudoscience.

/What's your sign?


Long haired freaky people need not apply
 
2014-02-11 03:42:43 PM
2wolves: Nancy Reagan used it to run the country when Mr. Reagan started to drool into his Apple Jacks. Ronald Reagan is above reproach!!

FTFY  ;-)
 
2014-02-11 03:43:34 PM
unfollowingjesus.com
 
2014-02-11 03:47:24 PM

Millennium: dittybopper: Well, it's a pseudoscience.

Furthermore, it's a pseudoscience in the classical sense, much like alchemy. The methods of astrology do not match up with the modern scientific method, but there are strict methods to follow.

Obviously, from a modern perspective, those methods are seriously flawed. In astrology's case, the flaw is that it fails to establish any causal link between the motions of the various heavenly bodies and, well, anything else, really. But the existence of a method is what distinguishes classical pseudosciences from outright making shiat up. For that reason, although I personally would not rate astrology as "sort of" scientific, I can understand why someone might use this line of reasoning to rate it so, and I cannot hold it against them.

Now, that said, I also very much doubt that most of these students were following this line of reasoning. More likely, I think, is that most of them simply forgot which one is astrology and which one is astronomy, and answered "sort of" as though it were some kind of compromise. I wonder: was astronomy also on this survey, and how many students answered "sort of" for both?


I've always considered Alchemy to have its place in history, as a precursor to structured chemistry. As people gave up on alchemy, they turned to real study, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that techniques used in chemistry and metallurgy today were initiated by alchemists...

As for astrology, I don't care if someone reads their horoscope, it's harmless. It's when these people get into positions of power and start using it to make decisions(Like Nancy Reagan) that it bothers me. They can even TELL me their horoscope if they want, so it's not a 'keep it out of my life' thing, it's a 'Don't use it to run my life' thing. We REALLY got lucky in the 80s, the more I think about it.
 
2014-02-11 03:48:29 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Can't bad science still be science?

After all, bad sex is still sex.


According to the Mythbusters White Knighters, it CAN be...
 
2014-02-11 03:48:33 PM
I met someone who was a month from completing their MBA, who didn't know what a CTO or COO was...
 
2014-02-11 03:48:46 PM

Khellendros: And if you ask them about phrenology, reflexology, homeopathy, and iridology, they will generally be considered "science" by most average people.  Even if they don't know what it really means.


[NCSB]
I was shopping for medicine for my kids in Winn-Dixie (I live in Florida, give me a break here.), and was surprised to find homeopathic 'remedies' for earaches stocked right next to the actual earwax removal kits, priced so they'd be in-line with the earwax removal kits. The fact these items were homeopathic was fairly well disguised, with 'natural remedy' and the 10x, 20x, etc on the front. You had to read the back to see the print about 'not intended to cure...' Looking around the aisle, every painkiller and healthcare product had a homeopathic doppelganger, priced to match the competition, and apparently selling!

That crap infuriates me. When you're a parent with a sick kid, you're gonna pick up what looks best on the package. Farking companies aren't even selling 'homeopathic alternatives' anymore to rubes who think they're informed, they're selling water and cornstarch as medicine, and potentially endangering the health of children.

I complained about it to the pharmacy. They were sympathetic but said management decides what to stock and they were powerless to do anything about it.
[/NCSB]
 
2014-02-11 03:50:10 PM
In other news, suddenly people start thinking 18-24 year-olds are majority Republican. . .
 
2014-02-11 03:51:13 PM
If you dig into astrology you'll find that one of the things that is interpreted is when a planet is in retrograde motion. That's when a planet reverses direction in its orbit and heads the other way.

It's orbit around the Earth, that is. Astrology still hasn't worked out that the Earth and other planets actually revolve around the sun.
 
2014-02-11 03:52:05 PM
Kinda like how people confuse homeopathy with herbalism.

Herbal remedies have actual active constituent chemicals.  Whether or not they do anything is a matter for science to determine.  There's a lot of mysticism surrounding it, but there is no doubt when you drink an herbal tea or take a tincture, there are actual chemicals other than water and sugar and flavorings involved.

Homeopathy on the other hand, relies on magic. It is water, sugar, and flavorings, but no actual active chemical constituents like plant enzymes, hormones, or other phytochemicals.  In fact, if it did, it would not work, according to homeopaths.
 
2014-02-11 03:52:26 PM
A lot of people confuse the term astronomy and astrology. Any questionnaire needs to specify a bit more. Astrology (star signs and horoscopes) or Astronomy (actually studying what exists outside of earth). If the question is "do you think astrology is a science?" Is going to get some yeses from people that are confusing the terms.
 
2014-02-11 03:56:22 PM
I would guess if you explained what Astrology is, then explained Astronomy, you'd get far fewer young adults saying Astrology is a science.
 
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