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(Think Progress)   Nevada AG drops defense of gay marriage ban after realizing how many Las Vegas entertainers might decide to leave   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2014-02-11 04:15:27 PM  
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flondrix: A Cave Geek: Marriage is a legal contract. Even a minister, priest or Shaman needs a license from the state to perform a valid marriage.

Hmmm, not quite.  In some states anyone with a congregation can call themselves a "minister" and perform marriages weddings.


FTFY. Weddings are religious ceremonies, and confer no legal rights. Marriages are civil contracts, and do not require a ceremony. This is why there's such a thing as the putative marriage doctrine: two people go to a minister and have a wedding and  believe that they are married; however, legally, they are not, and they do not get all of the rights and privileges of marriage. The putative marriage doctrine allows for  some rights, such that they don't lose in cases of fraud, but they do not get the rest.
2014-02-11 03:27:33 PM  
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A Cave Geek: DarwiOdrade: A Cave Geek: Gay righs advocates are trying to 'redefine marriage' in the same way that we 'redefined voting' when we allowed African Americans to vote.

And women - can't forget suffrage.

Definitely.  Same way we 're-defined' marriage when mixed race marriages were legalized.  Oh, and what about outlawing slavery?  Were we 'redefining' freedom?  Oh, and what about the Japanese, after WWII?  Perhaps we 'redefined' religious freedom when we recognized non-christian religions for the first time?


I'm wondering when the "NO MARRIAGE FOR ANYONE EVAR" bills start really making the rounds nationwide. I know that the more potatoey states have had bills proposed, but none made it out of committee.

Oh, and after MD passed marriage equality, I asked my folks if their marriage was destroyed. My dad's response: "Why, what happened?"

// even after I asked him to be serious, he couldn't be arsed to care - he's happy for the gays, but it's not like it farking matters to anyone else
2014-02-11 03:27:27 PM  
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flondrix: So, a church can refuse to marry same sex couples, or interracial couples, or people from another denomination, etc. on religious grounds.  But those Vegas chapels where you can get married by an Elvis impersonator are businesses; will they be required to marry any couple who has the money to pay the fee?


Yes.
2014-02-11 02:45:18 PM  
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DarwiOdrade: A Cave Geek: Gay righs advocates are trying to 'redefine marriage' in the same way that we 'redefined voting' when we allowed African Americans to vote.

And women - can't forget suffrage.


Definitely.  Same way we 're-defined' marriage when mixed race marriages were legalized.  Oh, and what about outlawing slavery?  Were we 'redefining' freedom?  Oh, and what about the Japanese, after WWII?  Perhaps we 'redefined' religious freedom when we recognized non-christian religions for the first time?
2014-02-11 02:43:40 PM  
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Ah the Freepers are loving it:

One choice one in particular:
"I know Nevada isn't the most conservative state...but there are limits to morality, aren't there?"

Yeah....somehow gay marriage is more immoral than prostitution (also legal in parts of NV)

But the best is from this guy:
That is precisely the complicating concern about Gay Marriage in Nevada.

Las Vegas will see hoards of gay couples flocking to the city and getting married at a rapid pace in the drive thru wedding chapels. It will become the Gay Marriage Capitol of America.

It will also complicate matters for straight couples who go to Vegas to get married as it may take them longer to actually get married as all the marriage chapels in the city will be booked solid with gay weddings.

And there will be mischief just as there is today with straight people who meet in Vegas, party for a night and then get married, only to regret it by brunch.

Worse if all, after these gays from Texas, Louisiana, Alabama and other pro family states get married in Vegas, they will return to their home states with all the privileges of a real married couple.


Yup, the harm is that real couples that want to get married at a drive-thru chapel will have to wait in line like you do at a McDonalds at lunch time, instead of being able to pull right up to the window and get married in a heartbeat. And, these are "real" straight couples, as opposed to those that regret their marriage by brunch the next day, as he explains in his following sentence.

Derp Hard Freepers.
2014-02-11 02:41:00 PM  
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A Cave Geek: Gay righs advocates are trying to 'redefine marriage' in the same way that we 'redefined voting' when we allowed African Americans to vote.


And women - can't forget suffrage.
2014-02-11 02:38:39 PM  
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Gay righs advocates are trying to 'redefine marriage' in the same way that we 'redefined voting' when we allowed African Americans to vote.
2014-02-11 02:35:18 PM  
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scottydoesntknow: I would think the equality bans are much more comparable to what white supremacists wanted than those who want marriage equality.


As I said above, they're saying that both groups were "redefining marriage". What they're redefining it to is apparently irrelevant, simply wanting to change it puts them both in the same camp. And therefore, homosexuals, the KKK, and the Anglican Church are all the same.
2014-02-11 02:28:01 PM  
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Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: There are also defendant-intervenors in the case, the Coalition for the Protection of Marriage, who argued in their brief that marriage equality was comparable to white supremacy.

LOLWUT?!

I even tried reading the link and it doesn't make sense. How is it, in any way, comparable to white supremacy?

They basically argued that marriage has been naturally defined as a man and a woman, and the anti-miscegenation laws prevented some male-female couples from getting married in defiance of that natural law. Marriage equality laws are similarly in defiance of that natural law by allowing men to marry men and women to marry women.


So. Going for the Pants On Head Retarded Defence of Marriage right out of the gate? That's gutsy...
2014-02-11 02:27:10 PM  
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Serious Black: scottydoesntknow: There are also defendant-intervenors in the case, the Coalition for the Protection of Marriage, who argued in their brief that marriage equality was comparable to white supremacy.

LOLWUT?!

I even tried reading the link and it doesn't make sense. How is it, in any way, comparable to white supremacy?

They basically argued that marriage has been naturally defined as a man and a woman, and the anti-miscegenation laws prevented some male-female couples from getting married in defiance of that natural law. Marriage equality laws are similarly in defiance of that natural law by allowing men to marry men and women to marry women.


Yeah... White supremacists tried to "redefine marriage" to be only between a white man and white woman. When homosexuals try to "redefine marriage" to be between any two consenting adults, they're doing the same thing, and are pretty much exactly the same as the KKK.

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