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2014-02-11 11:29:16 AM  
Kind of like how Apple got into the phone game after Blackberry was adopted...world wide. Ah, the typical American. Following in Canada's footsteps. Nice to see you trying to keep up..pants.
 
2014-02-11 11:36:02 AM  
By the time everyone is done rolling out their own streaming service you'll be paying the same as regular basic cable if you subscribe to them all.
 
2014-02-11 11:37:49 AM  
Doesn't matter. With the end of Net Neutrality, the Oligopoly of ISP's and infrastructure corporations will simply block the IP's. With Net Neutrality, then they will use shady peering protocols to stifle (but not "throttle", oh nooo...) the bandwidth of streaming services (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) unless that company spends hundreds of millions for a 'premium' slot on the routers.

The telecom/internet system in the US and surrounding countries is beyond broken, and it is a very big deal. This is yet another example why America is being left behind as a superpower, and will eventually stagnate into obscurity.
 
2014-02-11 12:03:23 PM  
Stagnate Into Obscurity was both the name of the garage band I started in high school with my buddy Nate, and its destiny.
 
2014-02-11 12:12:04 PM  

EvilAvatar: Doesn't matter. With the end of Net Neutrality, the Oligopoly of ISP's and infrastructure corporations will simply block the IP's. With Net Neutrality, then they will use shady peering protocols to stifle (but not "throttle", oh nooo...) the bandwidth of streaming services (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) unless that company spends hundreds of millions for a 'premium' slot on the routers.


In Rogers case they ARE the ISP as well.  What's that?  Netflix seems slow?  Try Rogersflix.

/Yes they are that evil
 
2014-02-11 12:14:53 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: EvilAvatar: Doesn't matter. With the end of Net Neutrality, the Oligopoly of ISP's and infrastructure corporations will simply block the IP's. With Net Neutrality, then they will use shady peering protocols to stifle (but not "throttle", oh nooo...) the bandwidth of streaming services (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) unless that company spends hundreds of millions for a 'premium' slot on the routers.

In Rogers case they ARE the ISP as well.  What's that?  Netflix seems slow?  Try Rogersflix.

/Yes they are that evil


Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.
 
2014-02-11 12:16:05 PM  
F rogers, shiatty company.  At least its not bell trying this though, I've never seen a company that is so absolutely sure of it self yet is actually the laughing stock within telecom circles.
 
2014-02-11 12:19:02 PM  

change1211: Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.


I used to blame netflix or showcase or who-ever for all the crappy "Sorry you can't see this you hoser!" but you know it turns out the entity responsible for that anti-consumer horsecrap is actually the CRTC.  They erect these annoying region locking walls and mechanisms, they are why we have that painfully unfunny canadian content on what ever they call our comedy channel that's just a dead skin mask over the US comedy network.

So aim your spittle at the CRTC, its their fault Canadian versions of shiat suck and we have to put up with it instead of just getting access to the American ones in the first place.
 
2014-02-11 12:28:12 PM  
Nice to see some initiative from Cable co in Canada, if it was for them we would still be on the internet via dialup, with our measly 40 channels. That was, if you recalled, only in 1997 that the so hated CRTC forced them to accept a few competitors.
 
2014-02-11 12:47:26 PM  
Rogers, eh?

Let me guess: $100 bucks a month gets me the "standard" tier. If I want anything good, I'll need to pay an extra $19.99 a month for each type of thing I want:

Base price: $100/month
Comedy movies: $19.95 a month
Action movies: $19.95 a month
etc.
 
2014-02-11 12:54:04 PM  
Do they even have computers in Canada?
 
2014-02-11 01:13:35 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: In Rogers case they ARE the ISP as well.  What's that?  Netflix seems slow?  Try Rogersflix.

/Yes they are that evil


Example of overt evilness:  http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/rogers-battles-lie-consumer s -160821496.html
 
2014-02-11 01:23:42 PM  

styckx: By the time everyone is done rolling out their own streaming service you'll be paying the same as regular basic cable if you subscribe to them all.


I'm okay with that because I won't subscribe to most of them.  I cut the cord and just pay for Netflix and internet service (DSL, not cable) and I'm fine.

History recently added a Roku channel and I see I'm not missing much there.  Some of the content is only available if you have cable, but some of it is "unlocked".

That Oak Island series helped lull me to sleep yesterday almost as well as CSPAN.

If HBO ever allows non-cable subscribers to get HBOGO I'll jump on that.  There's not really that much more out there that I need.
 
2014-02-11 01:26:22 PM  
Just build a Netflix app/channel for their STB for your top two tiers and be done with it.
 
2014-02-11 01:38:24 PM  
Screw Rogers, screw Bell, and screw Telus.

I don't pay a penny (at least directly) to any of those companies any more.

Bell was the last to go, and I was only stuck with them because when my building was built back in the 80's, Bell convinced the property management to put in a ringer/access system that could only be used with Bell lines. When it finally came time to replace the system, Bell didn't get a single vote in favour from our condo board, and now the system can be linked to any phone number.

As for Telus, how bad is their record keeping?  Well, about 18 months after we ditched them, both my wife and I received calls from the Telus customer satisfaction department, who were doing a survey of Telus customers to see what could be done to improve the overall customer experience.
 
2014-02-11 01:39:59 PM  
No offense to all the good folks from Canadia but this did make me laugh pretty hard.

FTMFA:

"And what it does is it keeps those TV titles and any film titles that they might be able to get away from Netflix in Canada, so it makes the Netflix library weaker."


Ok there, chief.
 
2014-02-11 01:51:19 PM  
Rogers already has an on demand service viewable on their STBs and online via a browser all they need to do is get the rights to show more programming.

/contracted Rogers cable guy, so I'm getting a kick here.
 
2014-02-11 01:53:06 PM  
With Rogers, I can get up to 45mbps with a 150gb cap for $78/month.

With TekSavvy, a distributor of the Rogers network, I can get up to 45 mbps with a 300gb cap for $55/month.

I cannot think of a good reason why I would ever go back to Rogers.  For those days where the Teksavvy networks are down, I'll console myself with a) the money I save, and b) the fact that I'm no longer stuck with Rogers.
 
2014-02-11 01:59:37 PM  
For fark's sake, I hate all these companies trying to create 'Netflix Killers.'  80% of the appeal of Netflix is that it's available on just about every device you can throw at it - consoles, phones, laptops, expensive iPads, cheap Chinese tablets, dedicated media streamers, etc, It's also becoming a generic name for streaming services, and it costs the same as a fast food meal.

If you're gonna fragment the Netflix library, or the overall streaming content available to Canadians, people are going to be pissed at you. Your service will not catch on, and in the end all you've is blown a bunch of money.
 
2014-02-11 02:06:21 PM  

change1211: Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.


If your on a PC, it's easy to proxy into US (or UK, etc) Netflix. Seriously, just google "how to watch US Netflix in Canada". I just watched all of DS9 on US Netflix. I'm also watching Community, which is on CA Netflix but not US, so I had to turn my proxy on and off to switch shows (not hard to do, but really made the stupidity of the whole situation stand out.)

Now, on a iDevice, console, tablet, etc, it's not so easy to pull off.
 
2014-02-11 02:15:20 PM  

Girl Pants: change1211: Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.

If your on a PC, it's easy to proxy into US (or UK, etc) Netflix. Seriously, just google "how to watch US Netflix in Canada". I just watched all of DS9 on US Netflix. I'm also watching Community, which is on CA Netflix but not US, so I had to turn my proxy on and off to switch shows (not hard to do, but really made the stupidity of the whole situation stand out.)

Now, on a iDevice, console, tablet, etc, it's not so easy to pull off.


My setup is stupidly complex (2nd NAT gateway running on a Raspberry Pi with a dedicated OpenVPN tunnel), but UnBlock us can do this for your whole network, hence any device on it. You use their special DNS servers, instead of your ISPs, that trick the content providers into thinking you're in a different location. You can then (relatively easily) set your network to tell all your devices to use their DNS server.
 
2014-02-11 02:37:07 PM  

Enormous-Schwanstucker: No offense to all the good folks from Canadia but this did make me laugh pretty hard.

FTMFA:

"And what it does is it keeps those TV titles and any film titles that they might be able to get away from Netflix in Canada, so it makes the Netflix library weaker."


Ok there, chief.


Sadly what you don't know is that Netflix Canada sucks big time. Yes I have it. It only has about 1/15th the content of Netflix USA. and im not exaggerating. there isn't even 1000 movies and TV shows. last I looked Netflix USA was like near 20k or something.

So there is LOTS of content that is being kept out of Netflix Canadas hands at the moment.
 
2014-02-11 02:39:18 PM  
No.

As a Canadian this is not a good thing. Rogers will push their clout to buy up IP and then because they're the major ISP in Canada, they will limit Netflix bandwidth, but magically rogers service will not be limited.

This company always ALWAYS has sketchy ulterior motives. When Netflix first came to Canada they, along with Bell, bought up IP so that Netflix catalogue would suck. Since that didn't work this is their secondary plan. This is no better than their existing Rogers on Demand service.
 
2014-02-11 02:43:42 PM  
It all comes back to the CRTC. Their goal is to help foster Canadian content to be made that would otherwise be drowned out by the giant US media industry. Instead, we just get US stuff blocked from entering Canada as easy, and a bunch of low-tier Canadian shows made and repeated excessively to fill time quotas.
 
2014-02-11 02:46:40 PM  
Rogers is an ethically-challenged company. This would not end well for the consumer.
 
2014-02-11 03:09:06 PM  
57 channels and nothing on...
 
2014-02-11 03:14:41 PM  

solyhhit: Rogers is an ethically-challenged company. This would not end well for the consumer.


Your statement implies they have ethics at all. If Netflix is lucky maybe every other packet won't be dropped as soon as it hits a box controlled by Rogers once they have this in place.
 
2014-02-11 03:31:11 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: solyhhit: Rogers is an ethically-challenged company. This would not end well for the consumer.

Your statement implies they have ethics at all. If Netflix is lucky maybe every other packet won't be dropped as soon as it hits a box controlled by Rogers once they have this in place.


But if they don't make a brazzilion dollars how are they supposed to buy an NFL team for Toronto?  Given the magnificent success of the Bills series there? (note extreme sarcasm)
 
2014-02-11 03:34:13 PM  
We'll continue to have shiatty internet all across Canada until we adopt the northern European model of the government funding the infrastructure and independent vendors providing the service, but neither the government or the CRTC is looking out for our future or current interests on these issues.
 
2014-02-11 03:49:44 PM  

Nexzus: Girl Pants: change1211: Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.

If your on a PC, it's easy to proxy into US (or UK, etc) Netflix. Seriously, just google "how to watch US Netflix in Canada". I just watched all of DS9 on US Netflix. I'm also watching Community, which is on CA Netflix but not US, so I had to turn my proxy on and off to switch shows (not hard to do, but really made the stupidity of the whole situation stand out.)

Now, on a iDevice, console, tablet, etc, it's not so easy to pull off.

My setup is stupidly complex (2nd NAT gateway running on a Raspberry Pi with a dedicated OpenVPN tunnel), but UnBlock us can do this for your whole network, hence any device on it. You use their special DNS servers, instead of your ISPs, that trick the content providers into thinking you're in a different location. You can then (relatively easily) set your network to tell all your devices to use their DNS server.


Exactly.  Change the DNS settings at the router and not your PC.  US Netflix on every device, provided you're on your home network.

FTFA:  "And what it does is it keeps those TV titles and any film titles that they might be able to get away from Netflix in Canada, so it makes the Netflix library weaker."

The library is already so weak that this move might legitimately erode Netflix penetration in Canada.  The reason it is weak?  Rightsholders like Rogers already making it so.

In any event, the $5/mo for Unblockus makes that go away.  Along with 'Unyonflix', my Air Video media library that I generously share with friends and family.  If it ain't on Netflix, it's on unyonflix.
 
2014-02-11 04:42:07 PM  

poisonedpawn78: Enormous-Schwanstucker: No offense to all the good folks from Canadia but this did make me laugh pretty hard.

FTMFA:

"And what it does is it keeps those TV titles and any film titles that they might be able to get away from Netflix in Canada, so it makes the Netflix library weaker."


Ok there, chief.

Sadly what you don't know is that Netflix Canada sucks big time. Yes I have it. It only has about 1/15th the content of Netflix USA. and im not exaggerating. there isn't even 1000 movies and TV shows. last I looked Netflix USA was like near 20k or something.

So there is LOTS of content that is being kept out of Netflix Canadas hands at the moment.


Wow, that bad eh? I never made a point to check. Then again, US Netflix content isn't what it used to be either. Farking studios.
 
2014-02-11 04:50:22 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: EvilAvatar: Doesn't matter. With the end of Net Neutrality, the Oligopoly of ISP's and infrastructure corporations will simply block the IP's. With Net Neutrality, then they will use shady peering protocols to stifle (but not "throttle", oh nooo...) the bandwidth of streaming services (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc) unless that company spends hundreds of millions for a 'premium' slot on the routers.

In Rogers case they ARE the ISP as well.  What's that?  Netflix seems slow?  Try Rogersflix.

/Yes they are that evil


This.  I hate Rogers, and the only reason I'm with them is because I hate Bell more.  Netflix Canada sucked though.  Buffering ... buffering ... buffering ... MOVIE, MOV-- buffering...
 
2014-02-11 05:18:21 PM  
Plenty of el cheapo vpns that work fine. I pay 7 dollars a month for one that lets me appear in Canada, the UK, the US, and about 20 more countries.

It has android, iphone, windows, osx, and linux apps for those not technically inclined.

I have a second 30 dollar router in my home in Colombia which is connected to the vpn that I have my roku connected to.  And if I am on a tablet,laptop I just switch to the wireless network I want to use if I want to browse locally or US content.

The application I use when I am out and about on someone elses network.

I have been doing this for about 7 years now.
 
2014-02-11 06:24:04 PM  

unyon: Nexzus: Girl Pants: change1211: Of course they're evil, it's a Canadian media company. However it couldn't be much worse than Canadian Netflix, their selection has never been that great.

If your on a PC, it's easy to proxy into US (or UK, etc) Netflix. Seriously, just google "how to watch US Netflix in Canada". I just watched all of DS9 on US Netflix. I'm also watching Community, which is on CA Netflix but not US, so I had to turn my proxy on and off to switch shows (not hard to do, but really made the stupidity of the whole situation stand out.)

Now, on a iDevice, console, tablet, etc, it's not so easy to pull off.

My setup is stupidly complex (2nd NAT gateway running on a Raspberry Pi with a dedicated OpenVPN tunnel), but UnBlock us can do this for your whole network, hence any device on it. You use their special DNS servers, instead of your ISPs, that trick the content providers into thinking you're in a different location. You can then (relatively easily) set your network to tell all your devices to use their DNS server.

Exactly.  Change the DNS settings at the router and not your PC.  US Netflix on every device, provided you're on your home network.

FTFA:  "And what it does is it keeps those TV titles and any film titles that they might be able to get away from Netflix in Canada, so it makes the Netflix library weaker."

The library is already so weak that this move might legitimately erode Netflix penetration in Canada.  The reason it is weak?  Rightsholders like Rogers already making it so.

In any event, the $5/mo for Unblockus makes that go away.  Along with 'Unyonflix', my Air Video media library that I generously share with friends and family.  If it ain't on Netflix, it's on unyonflix.


The one concern is that since you are proxying through another server you have to trust they aren't sniffing your traffic.
DNS redirection is essentially only using a proxy for specific identified sites. When you use their DNS anything that is supposed to go to the Netflix servers is redirected to their proxy which acts like a man in the middle. Buddy actually watched unblockus and sometimes things still go through them when they shouldn't. Not malicious, more like trying to have a private conversation with someone else sitting on your lap

What I have done is setup a Bind9 based DNS server in my house which provides all name resolution. However I set up anything involving netflix or Hulu gets redirected to Unotelly's DNS server. Bit more challenging than setting your router's DNS but simpler from a client perspective.
 
2014-02-11 06:37:06 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Do they even have computers in Canada?


it depends if it is a modern igloo or one of them newfie setups.

/ intetnet? dey dip de smelt wit dat eh?
 
2014-02-11 07:04:30 PM  
Rogers can burn in hell and stay there.

I'd shed tears of joy if the entire company went bankrupt and their CEOS were shipped off to sea.

/Thanks for ruining Canada communication market along with your retarded brother companies Telus & Bell, assholes.
 
2014-02-11 07:25:58 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: Rogers can burn in hell and stay there.

I'd shed tears of joy if the entire company went bankrupt and their CEOS were shipped off to sea.

/Thanks for ruining Canada communication market along with your retarded brother companies Telus & Bell, assholes.


whoa, may I suggest decaf perhaps?
 
2014-02-11 07:40:52 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: whoa, may I suggest decaf perhaps?


My friend, I have sworn coffee off entirely months ago.

/Maybe it's coffee withdrawl
 
2014-02-11 08:21:39 PM  
Hey, now that Rogers basically owns broadcast rights to the NHL up here, maybe they could use this service to stream games?


Aw, who am I kidding? That idea is way too smart for the likes of those pricks...
 
2014-02-11 08:27:47 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Do they even have computers in Canada?


Nope. I am typing this through tele-kinesis.

Why hide behind seven proxies when you can not have anything behind the proxy?
 
2014-02-11 08:35:17 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: blacksharpiemarker: Rogers can burn in hell and stay there.

I'd shed tears of joy if the entire company went bankrupt and their CEOS were shipped off to sea.

/Thanks for ruining Canada communication market along with your retarded brother companies Telus & Bell, assholes.

whoa, may I suggest decaf perhaps?


That's actually a fairly reasonable and rational sentiment when it comes to any of the Big Three.

I hope Netflix Canada manages to fight back in some fashion. For eight bucks a month I've never been without something to watch when I want to. And yeah, content selection is due to the broadcasters already having online rights to a lot of content (even if not using it) and crtc interference.

Haven't bothered playing with dns settings to put my bluray player on the US version. I like the idea of a separate router though... Because it'd simplify some things.
 
2014-02-11 08:36:10 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: Hey, now that Rogers basically owns broadcast rights to the NHL up here, maybe they could use this service to stream games?


Aw, who am I kidding? That idea is way too smart for the likes of those pricks...


They're probably just going to fark over GCL.
 
2014-02-11 08:56:26 PM  
Netflix Canada has about 3,000 titles, while Netflix USA has about 9,000, at least according to lists I looked at. I have a largish collection of my own--over 2,100 titles, but the definition of title is broader because many of my titles are boxed sets of entire series or TV shows, or else collections of movies. So I don't really need Netflix all that much. As for Rogers (and Blockbuster), they used to have a six movies for a week and a seven movies for a week deal and I watched their stock out in about a year.

My problem is that I'm obsessive and a hoarder when it comes to media. It started with books, moved on to magazines and comics and music. I've been through several formats and I'm sick of the treadmill that media companies have kept us on through the last half century. How many copies of the White Album does even a Boomer need?

We should not have to pay for anything twice and there's a lot of stuff out there we shouldn't be still paying for because the copyright should have run out a generation or two ago.

Maybe therapy would help. Cold turkey, no more media except a minimal cellphone for emergency calls.
 
2014-02-11 09:00:56 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: With Rogers, I can get up to 45mbps with a 150gb cap for $78/month.

With TekSavvy, a distributor of the Rogers network, I can get up to 45 mbps with a 300gb cap for $55/month.

I cannot think of a good reason why I would ever go back to Rogers.  For those days where the Teksavvy networks are down, I'll console myself with a) the money I save, and b) the fact that I'm no longer stuck with Rogers.


Here here. No landline or cable, Wind for phone, Netflix for video, and TekSavvy for internet. I am thinking of getting an OTA antenna though, just so I can watch some TV. Get pretty much all the channels you get with basic cable, only for $0 per month compared to $50 or whatever it is now.
 
2014-02-11 10:02:01 PM  

Electrify: GavinTheAlmighty: With Rogers, I can get up to 45mbps with a 150gb cap for $78/month.

With TekSavvy, a distributor of the Rogers network, I can get up to 45 mbps with a 300gb cap for $55/month.

I cannot think of a good reason why I would ever go back to Rogers.  For those days where the Teksavvy networks are down, I'll console myself with a) the money I save, and b) the fact that I'm no longer stuck with Rogers.

Here here. No landline or cable, Wind for phone, Netflix for video, and TekSavvy for internet. I am thinking of getting an OTA antenna though, just so I can watch some TV. Get pretty much all the channels you get with basic cable, only for $0 per month compared to $50 or whatever it is now.


OTA HD reception is such a crap shoot for a given area :-( I wish there was something that would make the broadcasters have to push the same coverage they had with analog signals but that's never gonna happen.
I'm in an area where I can't get any signals :-(
 
2014-02-12 12:03:34 AM  
Step 1: create video service through your own cable service.
Step 2: throttle bandwidth to all competing online video services
Step 3: profit!
 
2014-02-12 03:28:36 AM  
At least Rogers, unlike Bell, is understanding that forcing people to subscribe to your cable/satelitte packages in order to use your mobile apps & online services is immediately limiting your profits.  For Rogers to even attempt to service the non/never will be cable subscribers is a huge step forward.

Unfortunately, I have no confidence that the service will be a home run.  My guess is it'll either be way to expensive or just a meek dip of the toe into the pool.
 
2014-02-12 05:47:09 AM  

Eskurido: As for Telus, how bad is their record keeping?  Well, about 18 months after we ditched them, both my wife and I received calls from the Telus customer satisfaction department, who were doing a survey of Telus customers to see what could be done to improve the overall customer experience.


That doesn't seem out of place. Antagonistic feedback (which I presume you would be if you switched providers due to poor service) can be useful, perhaps more useful, than feedback from a satisfied customer. Maybe not timely (it seems more likely to me to ask "Why are you cancelling our service? Do you have any suggestions to improve it?" when you're actually cancelling it would be better), but if it was a new initiative or a routine-but-infrequent or a complex/directed-questions survey, then it makes sense to me that a service rep call would be needed.

Now, maybe there are a number of qualities that you did not mention. Perhaps the rep was constantly (as in, not just one error of speech) referring to your still-active account, or you had explicitly told them not to contact you, or several other possible options. (Not to mention the unlikelihood that a major service provider would actually ever improve service for the express purpose of improving service, as opposed to a desperate bid to maintain profits.) Still, it doesn't sound like an unwarranted contact to me.
 
2014-02-12 05:53:11 AM  
I never had an issue with Rogers other than the price would continually climb every year, however they would also up my speed at the same time. My bone to pick with them was that they never had an option for unlimited cap until just recently. By that point I had decided to move to Teksavvy (plus it is still more expensive than what TekSavvy gave me).
 
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