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(ITN News)   Well, it's that time of year when we can start adding 'massive, uncontrollable brushfires' to the list of Biblical plagues that are considered just everyday life in Australia   (itn.co.uk) divider line 42
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2014-02-11 11:40:11 AM  
And soon California will be burning, too.
 
2014-02-11 11:40:27 AM  
Really? There's a season for that?

/I thought it was January through December.
 
2014-02-11 11:46:42 AM  
Refreshing that the narrator does not feel the need to yap through the entire video. The images do speak for themselves.
 
2014-02-11 11:48:45 AM  

Molavian: And soon California will be burning, too.


If only environmental central could plan around these cyclical wet and dry seasons.
 
2014-02-11 11:50:42 AM  
More fun times with Australia's pyromaniac trees.
 
2014-02-11 11:58:57 AM  
Arthur Brown's comeback tour is in full swing.
 
2014-02-11 11:59:21 AM  
Wait, I think I need to read up on the next plague. However, yeah, after seeing the dirt dry satellite images of California, I imagine a lot of marshmallows will be needed this year on the west coast.
 
2014-02-11 12:12:46 PM  
Australia is in the grip of a multi-year drought with this summer breaking records for high temperatures at a record clip.  In some places, the old heat records were eclipsed by as much as 14 degrees!
 
2014-02-11 12:21:41 PM  
And the fire is poisonous.
 
2014-02-11 12:26:36 PM  
You wouldn't think that fire would be that heavy.
 
2014-02-11 12:44:54 PM  

pkellmey: Wait, I think I need to read up on the next plague. However, yeah, after seeing the dirt dry satellite images of California, I imagine a lot of marshmallows will be needed this year on the west coast.


Which would increase co2 which would cause more global warming which would create more fires, woohoo!!
 
2014-02-11 12:50:09 PM  

Resident Muslim: pkellmey: Wait, I think I need to read up on the next plague. However, yeah, after seeing the dirt dry satellite images of California, I imagine a lot of marshmallows will be needed this year on the west coast.

Which would increase co2 which would cause more global warming which would create more fires, woohoo!!


Let's just push it all the way. Set massive fires across the Pacific coast and trigger volcanic eruptions to block out the sun which will drop us into a new ice age. See, no more global warming!
 
2014-02-11 12:58:34 PM  

neversubmit: And the fire is poisonous.


But it comes with your choice of free toppings!
 
2014-02-11 01:08:47 PM  
Well, so much for global warming. They should ask Owl Snore for help, amirite? Hawhawhaw.
 
2014-02-11 01:15:18 PM  

lawboy87: Australia is in the grip of a multi-year drought with this summer breaking records for high temperatures at a record clip.  In some places, the old heat records were eclipsed by as much as 14 degrees!


Wow. I am curious how this year is going to average out. North America has had a cold winter but that is due to cold air mass escaping the arctic vortex. So, that suggests to me, that the arctic might average out higher than normal. I know I heard of some abnormally warm days in Alaska this winter.

Average that cold against Australia's brutal heat ... I wonder if it is a wash.
 
2014-02-11 01:28:01 PM  
If there are any deniers on Fark [pause for laughter], please sketch out what kind of evidence would convince you?
 
2014-02-11 01:30:56 PM  
Farking Canuck: ...cold air mass escaping the arctic vortex. So, that suggests to me, that the arctic might average out higher than normal.

Escaping? We're not talking about Mr. Freeze breaking out of Arkham here. Weather patterns shift and occasionally the cold will plunge down into the continental US, just like in the late winter/early spring when a warm front pushes northward in an omega block.
 
2014-02-11 01:36:57 PM  

Slypork: Farking Canuck: ...cold air mass escaping the arctic vortex. So, that suggests to me, that the arctic might average out higher than normal.

Escaping? We're not talking about Mr. Freeze breaking out of Arkham here. Weather patterns shift and occasionally the cold will plunge down into the continental US, just like in the late winter/early spring when a warm front pushes northward in an omega block.


Amazingly enough the people who study this for a living find a difference between cold fronts and a massive change in the Jet Stream. Maybe you should publish a paper detailing why they're wrong.
 
2014-02-11 01:38:38 PM  
Australia is going to need a new marketing slogan soon. Instead of "it's like a whole 'other country", how about:

1. Australia : God help you if the leave a major city
2. Australia : where we don't know the meaning of "non-poisonous"
3. Australia : We finally found those wild things everyone was talking about in the late 90s..
 
2014-02-11 01:45:49 PM  

Slypork: Resident Muslim: pkellmey: Wait, I think I need to read up on the next plague. However, yeah, after seeing the dirt dry satellite images of California, I imagine a lot of marshmallows will be needed this year on the west coast.

Which would increase co2 which would cause more global warming which would create more fires, woohoo!!

Let's just push it all the way. Set massive fires across the Pacific coast and trigger volcanic eruptions to block out the sun which will drop us into a new ice age. See, no more global warming!


You joke now...
 
2014-02-11 01:51:27 PM  

Slypork: Escaping? We're not talking about Mr. Freeze breaking out of Arkham here. Weather patterns shift and occasionally the cold will plunge down into the continental US, just like in the late winter/early spring when a warm front pushes northward in an omega block.


As  yakmans_dad pointed out, the current theory for the massive, repeated intrusions of arctic air into much of North America this winter appears to be a product of a phenomenon where the polar vortex slows down. This allows large pockets of arctic air to "escape" the vortex. It is not a completely new phenomenon (there are precedents in the past) and it appears to be a product of a slower jet stream (which drives the vortex).

I won't go into the details of why the jet stream may be slowing as I suspect the science may make you angry.
 
2014-02-11 02:09:52 PM  
They should just move to England where they are having (semi) biblical rain and floods

i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-11 02:13:55 PM  

Prof. Frink: neversubmit: And the fire is poisonous.

But it comes with your choice of free toppings!


How many toppings?
 
2014-02-11 02:34:21 PM  

lawboy87: Australia is in the grip of a multi-year drought with this summer breaking records for high temperatures at a record clip.  In some places, the old heat records were eclipsed by as much as 14 degrees!


Celsius or Fahrenheit?
 
2014-02-11 02:34:29 PM  

yakmans_dad: Slypork: Farking Canuck: ...cold air mass escaping the arctic vortex. So, that suggests to me, that the arctic might average out higher than normal.

Escaping? We're not talking about Mr. Freeze breaking out of Arkham here. Weather patterns shift and occasionally the cold will plunge down into the continental US, just like in the late winter/early spring when a warm front pushes northward in an omega block.

Amazingly enough the people who study this for a living find a difference between cold fronts and a massive change in the Jet Stream. Maybe you should publish a paper detailing why they're wrong.


Sure there was a change in the jet stream but this wasn't the first occurrence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_vortex#History) and definitely won't be the last. Certain weather patterns, such as La Nina and El Nino, influence their behavior. There is an Antarctic version as well the one blowing down on us now like Santa's flatulence. Hell, other planets have them. A recent Rutgers study (http://barnes.atmos.colostate.edu/FILES/MANUSCRIPTS/Barnes_2013_GRL_ w_ supp.pdf) concludes, though, that "the mechanism put forth by previous studies..., that amplified polar warming has led to the increased occurrence of slow-moving weather patterns and blocking episodes, appears unsupported by the observations." In other words, drivers in Atlanta can't blame global warming when they're tied up in a two inch blizzard.

I'm just annoyed that the media grabbed a hold of a well-established weather event and sensationalized it, just like they do with everything else. "OMG, it's freaking cold! Let's start calling Chicago 'Chi-beria'!" "It's SNOWMAGEDDON 2014,coming to you from our weather center. Let's hand it over to Jim Frostighoden reporting from the lakefront." Give me the news without the comic book exclamation points in the narrative. Don't treat me like a trisomatic toddler.
 
2014-02-11 03:03:57 PM  

Slypork: yakmans_dad: Slypork: Farking Canuck: ...cold air mass escaping the arctic vortex. So, that suggests to me, that the arctic might average out higher than normal.

Escaping? We're not talking about Mr. Freeze breaking out of Arkham here. Weather patterns shift and occasionally the cold will plunge down into the continental US, just like in the late winter/early spring when a warm front pushes northward in an omega block.

Amazingly enough the people who study this for a living find a difference between cold fronts and a massive change in the Jet Stream. Maybe you should publish a paper detailing why they're wrong.

Sure there was a change in the jet stream but this wasn't the first occurrence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_vortex#History) and definitely won't be the last. Certain weather patterns, such as La Nina and El Nino, influence their behavior. There is an Antarctic version as well the one blowing down on us now like Santa's flatulence. Hell, other planets have them. A recent Rutgers study (http://barnes.atmos.colostate.edu/FILES/MANUSCRIPTS/Barnes_2013_GRL_ w_ supp.pdf) concludes, though, that "the mechanism put forth by previous studies..., that amplified polar warming has led to the increased occurrence of slow-moving weather patterns and blocking episodes, appears unsupported by the observations." In other words, drivers in Atlanta can't blame global warming when they're tied up in a two inch blizzard.

I'm just annoyed that the media grabbed a hold of a well-established weather event and sensationalized it, just like they do with everything else. "OMG, it's freaking cold! Let's start calling Chicago 'Chi-beria'!" "It's SNOWMAGEDDON 2014,coming to you from our weather center. Let's hand it over to Jim Frostighoden reporting from the lakefront." Give me the news without the comic book exclamation points in the narrative. Don't treat me like a trisomatic toddler.


I'm not really sure what the relevance of something happening before might be. What on Earth would an entirely novel kind of weather look like? Frogs falling from the sky? (I believe that prior to the movie Magnolia there was an actual rain of frogs.)
 
2014-02-11 03:13:18 PM  

yakmans_dad: I'm not really sure what the relevance of something happening before might be. What on Earth would an entirely novel kind of weather look like? Frogs falling from the sky? (I believe that prior to the movie Magnolia there was an actual rain of frogs.)


The paper was about claims that arctic warming may be incrementally causing more severe weather events in the midlattitudes - bigger storms, tornadoes, hurricanes,etc. It does not even attempt to address the specific event of the polar vortex which is not part of the standard weather patterns.

Slyport's paper simply does not apply to this situation.
 
2014-02-11 03:13:26 PM  
We just broke records for the number of over 40C days in summer. And we are just getting started, another couple of months of heat before it starts to calm the fsck down.

I am more than a tad over it.

/ Had a really cold damp winter, but still water levels are as usual, not the best.
// no water restrictions yet, however.
/// yet.
 
2014-02-11 03:23:51 PM  
yakmans_dad:

I'm not really sure what the relevance of something happening before might be. What on Earth would an entirely novel kind of weather look like? Frogs falling from the sky? (I believe that prior to the movie Magnolia there was an actual rain of frogs.)

Let me use small words for you:

Polar vortex happened before.
Polar vortex will happen again.
This particular polar vortex was  not caused by global warming.*
People are freaking out because the news producers overheard the weather people talking about it and realized that it sounded scary.

Always remember the motto of the media, "If it bleeds, it leads. When there's fear, we're here."

*NOTE: Please notice that I said "this particular vortex".  I am not ruling out the possibility of others currently occurring in other regions of our known universe or the chance that one in the next millennium might be as a result of global warming.
 
2014-02-11 03:34:18 PM  

Slypork: yakmans_dad:

I'm not really sure what the relevance of something happening before might be. What on Earth would an entirely novel kind of weather look like? Frogs falling from the sky? (I believe that prior to the movie Magnolia there was an actual rain of frogs.)

Let me use small words for you:

Polar vortex happened before.
Polar vortex will happen again.
This particular polar vortex was  not caused by global warming.*
People are freaking out because the news producers overheard the weather people talking about it and realized that it sounded scary.

Always remember the motto of the media, "If it bleeds, it leads. When there's fear, we're here."

*NOTE: Please notice that I said "this particular vortex".  I am not ruling out the possibility of others currently occurring in other regions of our known universe or the chance that one in the next millennium might be as a result of global warming.


First, you cannot make that kind of attribution without error bars.
Second, everything is effected by radically increasing the amount of energy in the oceans and atmosphere.

[insert Gary Oldham jpg]
 
2014-02-11 03:40:45 PM  
Humans have been burning for so long here the plants have adapted and need the fire. The longer you go without fire, the worse it will be when it does burn.

Just be sure no fool starts planting heaps of Australian trees where you live.
 
2014-02-11 04:40:06 PM  
Slypork:

Polar vortex happened before.- Correct
Polar vortex will happen again. - Likely Correct
This particular polar vortex was  not caused by global warming.* - Idiotic Unsupported Claim


I think I found your problem.
 
2014-02-11 04:52:33 PM  

Farking Canuck: Slypork:

Polar vortex happened before.- Correct
Polar vortex will happen again. - Likely Correct
This particular polar vortex was  not caused by global warming.* - Idiotic Unsupported Claim


I think I found your problem.


I was mistaken when I previously said that Rutgers was the one that said global warming was not the cause of this particular vortex. It was actually, a Colorado State University professor who said that the mechanisms described by the Rutgers professors did not support the claim of global warming being the culprit.  http://barnes.atmos.colostate.edu/FILES/MANUSCRIPTS/Barnes_2013_GRL_w _ supp.pdf
 
2014-02-11 05:34:35 PM  

Slypork: I was mistaken when I previously said that Rutgers was the one that said global warming was not the cause of this particular vortex. It was actually, a Colorado State University professor who said that the mechanisms described by the Rutgers professors did not support the claim of global warming being the culprit.  http://barnes.atmos.colostate.edu/FILES/MANUSCRIPTS/Barnes_2013_GRL_w _ supp.pdf


And you're still mistaken. That paper is from this past summer ... discussions on the polar vortex events did not even start until they started occurring this winter.

You seem to be unable (or unwilling) to decouple research on the validity of the general claim of "the significant warming of the arctic is causing an increase in the weather events in the midlattitudes" and the very specific discussion on the polar vortex events of this winter and if they are related to a slowdown of the jet stream caused by the reduction of the delta T between the arctic air north of the jet stream and the air south of the jet stream.

These papers just don't apply to the study of the arctic vortex no matter how much you really want them to.
 
2014-02-11 06:13:30 PM  

lawboy87: Australia is in the grip of a multi-year drought with this summer breaking records for high temperatures at a record clip.  In some places, the old heat records were eclipsed by as much as 14 degrees!


In fact, the drought has been going for, oh a couple of months now. Not officially a drought yet, to be honest. The multi-year drought ended over a year back, at least in most parts of Oz.

But yeah, it's dry and hot here, kiddies. And the good rain last year only increased the fuel load.
 
2014-02-11 06:24:19 PM  
Any time you report on a storm, flood, or fire a map is required so that the viewer can understand the location and scope.
 
2014-02-11 06:36:16 PM  
It's 43 degrees Celsius today and not everyone has airconditioning. I've just had the first shower of many.
 
2014-02-11 07:00:59 PM  

morg: Any time you report on a storm, flood, or fire a map is required so that the viewer can understand the location and scope.


Live bushfire mapping in Australia;

http://www.unorthodox.com.au

Those numbers are not an intensity measurement of a bushfire, they are the number of bushfires in that area.
 
2014-02-11 08:38:50 PM  
In summer, the bushfires rage and rage and rage on such beautiful days.
And we fight them with water that runs through the cracks,
water we're so desperately trying to save.
So I'll just live on wine, and water my vines
And sleep on the wind, with the fires right behind
And sing on the beaches and swim through the night
I will cry, "Pass the wine! Pass the wine! Pass the wine!"
 
2014-02-11 09:21:09 PM  

Jesus McSordid: lawboy87: Australia is in the grip of a multi-year drought with this summer breaking records for high temperatures at a record clip.  In some places, the old heat records were eclipsed by as much as 14 degrees!

In fact, the drought has been going for, oh a couple of months now. Not officially a drought yet, to be honest. The multi-year drought ended over a year back, at least in most parts of Oz.

But yeah, it's dry and hot here, kiddies. And the good rain last year only increased the fuel load.


The drought ended the instant Tim Flannery said that it would never rain again.
Then there was massive flooding.
Thanks, Prof!
 
2014-02-11 10:25:36 PM  

zzrhardy: morg: Any time you report on a storm, flood, or fire a map is required so that the viewer can understand the location and scope.

Live bushfire mapping in Australia;

http://www.unorthodox.com.au

Those numbers are not an intensity measurement of a bushfire, they are the number of bushfires in that area.


Hey, thanks, pal!
 
2014-02-12 06:19:06 PM  
There has not nor will there ever be a brushfire in Oz.
 
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