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(Washington Free Beacon)   The Bloomberg 'Mayors' gun control group's goal Is"confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens" says: a.) the NRA, b.) a right-wing talk radio host, or c.) a member mayor who recently quit the group. Wait, what?   (freebeacon.com ) divider line
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2014-02-11 09:59:50 AM  
Meh, Eric Holder is going to give them to ex-cons now.
 
2014-02-11 10:04:11 AM  
One very important thing to remember, that isn't stated in TFA:   John Tkazyik is running as a republican for state senator of New York, and that means that membership in MAIG would pretty much guarantee that he would lose, *ESPECIALLY* after the NY SAFE Act.

This is simply a cold, calculating political maneuver.  When he thought MAIG membership would gather him votes (as mayor of Poughkeepsie), he joined.  Now that it's a liability, he's quit and denounced it.

What I would like to know is when "NRA Life Member" John Tkazyik sent in his $1,000 to become a life member.  Was it recently?  I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

Now, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Mike Bloomberg would be happy with a ban on the private ownership guns, but I'm not going to take Tkazyik's word for it, because it's plain what he is doing.
 
2014-02-11 10:07:19 AM  
Let me reiterate that:  This is Tkayzik's attempt to minimize the impact of his membership in MAIG because now that he's looking at statewide office, it's a major liability.

Maybe he has had a conversion like Saul on the road to Damascus, but generally, that just doesn't happen.
 
2014-02-11 10:18:52 AM  
The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-11 10:35:57 AM  

SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.


It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.
 
2014-02-11 10:39:21 AM  

SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.


Whose guns have been grabbed?
 
2014-02-11 10:39:41 AM  

vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.


Don't let facts get in the way of perfectly good derp. You and dirty aren't are messing up a perfectly good gun jerk off thread
 
2014-02-11 10:40:02 AM  

vudukungfu: Meh, Eric Holder is going to give them to ex-cons now.


Ladies and gentlemen, witness the teabagger "thought" process.
 
2014-02-11 10:40:27 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.

Don't let facts get in the way of perfectly good derp. You and dirty aren't are messing up a perfectly good gun jerk off thread


Aren't doesn't belong in there

/stupid phone
 
2014-02-11 10:51:46 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: vudukungfu: Meh, Eric Holder is going to give them to ex-cons now.

Ladies and gentlemen, witness the teabagger "thought" process.


Ben Gazzara!
 
2014-02-11 11:03:37 AM  

LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ATTENT-GUN WHORE!!!!

 
2014-02-11 11:05:47 AM  

vudukungfu: Lionel Mandrake: vudukungfu: Meh, Eric Holder is going to give them to ex-cons now.

Ladies and gentlemen, witness the teabagger "thought" process.

Ben Gazzara!


Exhibit B
 
2014-02-11 11:06:47 AM  
Washington Free Beacon? Was World Net Daily busy?
 
2014-02-11 11:06:50 AM  

dittybopper: I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.


What's wrong with that?
 
2014-02-11 11:06:58 AM  
I'm sure he has some sort of...  Proof, right?

Emails, memos, even just quotes from conversations he had?
 
2014-02-11 11:07:40 AM  
First they grabbed my guns (in my feverish dream) and I said nothing.  Then Obama grabbed my nuts, and I said "oooh, that's kinda nice!"
 
2014-02-11 11:07:51 AM  
Fark.com's goal is the complete destruction of the American economy and you read it on a reputable source just like the Free Beacon.

You can know this is true because I'm a Fark.com member.
 
2014-02-11 11:08:37 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

What's wrong with that?


NRA members aren't supposed to have a f*cking conscience.  He broke Gun Club Rule #1.
 
2014-02-11 11:08:49 AM  
Where is my fainting couch.  This is such a groundbreaking realization.
 
2014-02-11 11:10:07 AM  
Good, NRA is nothing but the Brownshirt wing of the GOP anyway.
 
2014-02-11 11:11:35 AM  
We've got you now, libs.  You won't get out of this one.
 
2014-02-11 11:13:20 AM  
Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds, atleast the people in poor neighborhoods who hold these views are in the shiat and living among too many guns and are just trying to figure out a solution.
 
2014-02-11 11:15:16 AM  

dittybopper: George H. W. Bush... turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles


considering the entire system of modern gun control stems from the republicans, the nra picks some weird bedfellows
 
2014-02-11 11:15:38 AM  

vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.


That's because, over the years, they've learned that such talk is counter-productive.  So you no longer have organizations called the "National Coalition to Ban Handguns" (now known as the "Brady Campaign"), and you don't have politicians saying things like

"If I could've gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America turn 'em all in -- I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.(Senator Dianne Feinstein, 1995) 

or

"I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S.  If you have a gun, you go to jail." (Rosie O'Donnell, 1999)

They've even avoided using phrases like "this legislation is a good start" because it implies more restrictions down the road.

Now the phrase is "common-sense gun legislation", because the reality is that support for more strict regulations just isn't there, something that is acknowledged by those who want those restrictions.  So they adjust the "messaging" to make it sound "softer":
http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/gun_messaging

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The UK bans modern handguns.  Period.  They had to pass a special exemption into law so that the 2012 London Olympic pistol shooting events could be held there.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.

I hate guns. Passionately. Intensely. Now and forever.

Took me all of 2 seconds to Google that.
 
2014-02-11 11:16:03 AM  
Wait, this headline makes sense to people?
 
2014-02-11 11:16:12 AM  
Obvious tag too busy?
 
2014-02-11 11:17:07 AM  

Headso: Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds, atleast the people in poor neighborhoods who hold these views are in the shiat and living among too many guns and are just trying to figure out a solution.


You realize you can have security with guns that are legal, right?  No?  Ok, keep frothing.
 
2014-02-11 11:19:21 AM  

vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.


Ayup. Many of the gun owners I know are against stupid for-the-sake-of-appearances laws like "scary-looking guns" laws, but absolutely favor 100% BG checks, mental-health rules, and even mandatory safety courses. Of course, it'd be nice if they voted that way, and not the way the "No Regulations Anytime" tells them to.

It'd also be nice if antigun people went to a range now and again. Nothing clarified my thinking on the topic like actually using one.
 
2014-02-11 11:19:27 AM  

Headso: Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds,


He gets constant death threats from gun owners. Should he allow himself to be shot to avoid charges of hypocrisy?

atleast the people in poor neighborhoods who hold these views are in the shiat and living among too many guns and are just trying to figure out a solution.

They're probably glad they have a well connected advocate.
 
2014-02-11 11:19:59 AM  

dittybopper: politicians


dittybopper: Rosie O'Donnell


ahahaa
 
2014-02-11 11:20:32 AM  

SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.


And Bloomberg does believe the 2nd Amendment allows him a private army of armed guards. Only he should be allowed to defend himself. Its the way rich liberals think.
 
2014-02-11 11:21:29 AM  
It's a real shame there isn't some other special interest group out there with a large lobbying presence, virtually unlimited donations, and the position guns should not be confiscated from anyone let alone law abiding citizens. A real shame this Mayor's group can implement it's dastardly disarmament plan unopposed by any sort of national association in favor of rifles.

Someone should start such an association so we didn't have to pee our pants in fear of our guns being grabbed when a powerless largely symbolic group of...mayors...threatened our precious 2nd Amendment rights. I guess without such a rifle association we're doomed to suffer the fate of being gunless thanks to these renegade mayors.
 
2014-02-11 11:21:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

What's wrong with that?


Because he turned around and "resigned" it in protest just a few years later, after the NRA called the ATF "jack-booted thugs"*.  It was clear that the only reason GHWB was an NRA life member was as a cynical political ploy, and that he really wasn't a life-long member.  He just ponied up the cash to join to gather free votes.

*Originally, it was John Dingell, democratic congressman from Michigan, who applied that term to the ATF about a decade before the NRA's use offended GHWB, in response to reports of their heavy-handed and likely unconstitutional enforcement of laws and regulations.  And not "Second Amendment" unconstitutional, prohibition against secret rule-making unconstitutional.
 
2014-02-11 11:21:52 AM  
This should be news to no one.
 
2014-02-11 11:22:10 AM  
Rosie O'Donnell said something in 1999, guys.
 
2014-02-11 11:22:26 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

What's wrong with that?


It's a bit misleading. If someone tells me that he's a "lifetime member of the Bluegrass Fiddler's Guild," I will probably conclude that he has been playing fiddle for a substantial portion of his lifetime. If I find out that he bought that lifetime membership a few days ago with his first fiddle, I'll probably suspect that the intent all along was to mislead me. Not a cardinal sin in the world of politics - it barely even rises to the level of a venal sin - but it gives one's critics something to carp about.
 
2014-02-11 11:23:01 AM  

sprawl15: dittybopper: politicians

dittybopper: Rosie O'Donnell

ahahaa


Dianne Feinstein isn't a politician?
 
2014-02-11 11:23:53 AM  
Bloomberg is a bully and a prick, and I say that as a dyed-in-the-wool liberal.
Authoritarianism in a suit.
 
2014-02-11 11:24:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Rosie O'Donnell said something in 1999, guys.


look at this rhetoric from right wing politicians:

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year."
-ted nugent

"I wwebsite as on the internet"
-paul christoforo
 
2014-02-11 11:24:25 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

What's wrong with that?

Because he turned around and "resigned" it in protest just a few years later, after the NRA called the ATF "jack-booted thugs"*.


How did the NRA imagine that would play out?

  It was clear that the only reason GHWB was an NRA life member was as a cynical political ploy, and that he really wasn't a life-long member.  He just ponied up the cash to join to gather free votes.

Politicians often rely on dullards for votes. You should really be upset with your NRA brethren.
 
2014-02-11 11:26:36 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Headso: Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds,


He gets constant death threats from gun owners. Should he allow himself to be shot to avoid charges of hypocrisy?


but yet he is magnitudes safer in his doorman building and offices than the people living in poor neighborhoods that might want a gun for protection. He needs the guns for protection though and they don't? fark this guy
 
2014-02-11 11:28:09 AM  

dittybopper: Dianne Feinstein isn't a politician?


nothing is funnier than watching your concernposting shiat itself before the gate even opens
 
2014-02-11 11:28:49 AM  

Headso: HotWingConspiracy: Headso: Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds,


He gets constant death threats from gun owners. Should he allow himself to be shot to avoid charges of hypocrisy?

but yet he is magnitudes safer in his doorman building and offices than the people living in poor neighborhoods that might want a gun for protection. He needs the guns for protection though and they don't? fark this guy


They generally advocate for getting guns out of their community.
 
2014-02-11 11:29:10 AM  
Washington Free B . . .

williamhurst.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-11 11:29:28 AM  

dittybopper: The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.

I hate guns. Passionately. Intensely. Now and forever.

Took me all of 2 seconds to Google that.


That person is as representative of gun control advocates as Adam Lanza is of the gun rights advocates.  If you wanna use nutbags to represent gun control advocates, there is no shortage of nutbags for him to point to.
 
2014-02-11 11:30:09 AM  

dittybopper: "I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail." (Rosie O'Donnell, 1999)


Like that idiot speaks for a significant number of people.
 
2014-02-11 11:30:22 AM  

dittybopper: One very important thing to remember, that isn't stated in TFA:   John Tkazyik is running as a republican for state senator of New York, and that means that membership in MAIG would pretty much guarantee that he would lose, *ESPECIALLY* after the NY SAFE Act.

This is simply a cold, calculating political maneuver.  When he thought MAIG membership would gather him votes (as mayor of Poughkeepsie), he joined.  Now that it's a liability, he's quit and denounced it.

What I would like to know is when "NRA Life Member" John Tkazyik sent in his $1,000 to become a life member.  Was it recently?  I still remember "NRA Life Member" George H. W. Bush, who purchased his membership in 1987, just prior to the 1988 presidential election in order to gather the NRA vote, and he turned around and issued executive orders banning the import of certain rifles.

Now, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Mike Bloomberg would be happy with a ban on the private ownership guns, but I'm not going to take Tkazyik's word for it, because it's plain what he is doing.


I've never understood this "life member" thing.

What, does it give you unchallengeable gun cred for ever and always?

You know as a life member if the NRA decides some day to support some crazy shiat like mandatory arming of preschoolers you're now part of that. Life member. Ha. I hope it bites you in your big, pimply ass some day.
 
2014-02-11 11:30:33 AM  

Dr Dreidel: vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.

Ayup. Many of the gun owners I know are against stupid for-the-sake-of-appearances laws like "scary-looking guns" laws, but absolutely favor 100% BG checks, mental-health rules, and even mandatory safety courses. Of course, it'd be nice if they voted that way, and not the way the "No Regulations Anytime" tells them to.

It'd also be nice if antigun people went to a range now and again. Nothing clarified my thinking on the topic like actually using one.


No gun control advocate or advocacy group. or anti-gun politician has ever been happy with just UBC, they want blanket bans, capacity restrictions, and punitives, expensive licensing fees and fingerprinting.  The SAFE Act banned the transfer of standard-capacity magazines and all so-called "assault weapons." If you own them (and register them, as per the law), the state confiscates them from your estate upon your death, since it's illegal to transfer them, even via inheritance.
 
2014-02-11 11:30:59 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: SlothB77: The thing that strikes me is how many of these gun grabbers have their own guns.  There was the story yesterday about the guy in Buffalo at a school with a gun who was part of a group trying to prevent guns at schools.  I wonder how many of these mayors own guns.

It surprises you because they aren't "gun grabbers".  Almost every gun control advocate I know or have ever heard of want's guns to be regulated, not eliminated entirely.

That's because, over the years, they've learned that such talk is counter-productive.  So you no longer have organizations called the "National Coalition to Ban Handguns" (now known as the "Brady Campaign"), and you don't have politicians saying things like

"If I could've gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America turn 'em all in -- I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.(Senator Dianne Feinstein, 1995) 

or

"I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S.  If you have a gun, you go to jail." (Rosie O'Donnell, 1999)

They've even avoided using phrases like "this legislation is a good start" because it implies more restrictions down the road.

Now the phrase is "common-sense gun legislation", because the reality is that support for more strict regulations just isn't there, something that is acknowledged by those who want those restrictions.  So they adjust the "messaging" to make it sound "softer":
http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/gun_messaging

Even the countries with the strictest gun control don't ban guns totally.

The UK bans modern handguns.  Period.  They had to pass a special exemption into law so that the 2012 London Olympic pistol shooting events could be held there.

The whole concept that that gun control advocates hate or fear guns is just spin to manipulate the gun nuts.

I hate guns. Passionately. Intensely. Now and forever.

Took me all of 2 seconds to Google that.


So your proof is three cherry-picked quotes from a senator, an actor, and a blog?
 
2014-02-11 11:31:04 AM  

Headso: HotWingConspiracy: Headso: Bloomberg is such a douchebag too, the guy has armed security out the ass wherever he travels. The hypocrisy if the elitist type gun grabber knows no bounds,


He gets constant death threats from gun owners. Should he allow himself to be shot to avoid charges of hypocrisy?

but yet he is magnitudes safer in his doorman building and offices than the people living in poor neighborhoods that might want a gun for protection. He needs the guns for protection though and they don't? fark this guy


Bullshiat. He is a target, more so because he has pissed off the already unhinged.
 
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