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(CNN)   Obama finally concedes the obvious: "Middle-class kids don't get locked up for smoking pot, and poor kids do. And African-American kids and Latino kids are more likely to be poor and less likely to have the support to avoid unduly harsh penalties"   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 176
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2014-02-11 09:13:57 AM
And the obvious solution is,,,
illegal!
 
2014-02-11 09:26:16 AM
But what about CCA executives and their annual bonuses?? Obama doesn't think of them.
 
2014-02-11 09:29:11 AM
As sheriff Bart said, "Speaking the plain truth is . . . "
 
2014-02-11 09:36:09 AM
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
 
2014-02-11 09:39:40 AM

clancifer: But what about CCA executives and their annual bonuses?? Obama doesn't think of them.


Just another "Paid Not to Think" contract.
 
2014-02-11 09:42:30 AM
It's a feature, not a bug.
 
2014-02-11 09:47:33 AM
Most users are found to like it that way.
 
2014-02-11 09:51:02 AM
I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.
 
2014-02-11 09:56:00 AM

tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.


So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.
 
2014-02-11 09:58:41 AM
Nuh uh.

Our justice system is blind.
 
2014-02-11 09:59:55 AM

Rincewind53: tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.

So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.


More like, one set of laws for those with money, and one set of laws for those without.  Just happens that, on average, minorities have less money than WASP-types.
 
2014-02-11 10:03:24 AM

Rincewind53: tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.

So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.


I would note that the cop was a Black guy.  If you want to make it simple I would say yes, but he made it seem like if your poor (white or black) it makes his job easier.  I am not defending him, but it seems more like human nature, if we can get more for less work, we do it.
 
2014-02-11 10:03:29 AM
I, of course, make that distinction because up here, if you don't have 2 nickels to rub together and you run afoul of the law, it doesn't matter what color your skin is.  You're pretty much boned.
 
2014-02-11 10:17:34 AM
Ric not around for this breaking news?
 
2014-02-11 10:29:29 AM

tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.


This sounds much like my own experience.

I'm was a small town white boy who hired many small town lawyers. Many arrests, only one misdemeanor conviction.

The biggest difference I saw in court can be summarized in my experience with a black judge in backwoods Appalachia.  I walked in for apossession charge dressed up with my $500 attorney (local drunk, friends with the court staff) and get hit with 2 years unsupervised probation.My friend charged in the same incident walks in dressed up, no attorney but polite, gets hit with 2 years supervised probation. He had to pee in cup and report to a probation officer, I did not.Black kid comes in, dressed in street clothes, tells the judge to "fark off." Yeah, that kid went to prison.

/YMMV
 
2014-02-11 10:30:49 AM
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2014-02-11 10:38:25 AM
If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.
 
2014-02-11 10:39:30 AM

Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.


list of people this surprises:

Rincewind53,
 
2014-02-11 10:39:46 AM

SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.


What
 
2014-02-11 10:41:22 AM
Ever had a cop all but apologize to you for wasting your time and money? I did - he didn't apologize directly, but did say I was the nicest guy he'd ever arrested, and that he wished I didn't have to go through all of that.

// and in PG County, MD, too
// the "...and your little dog, too" state/county
 
2014-02-11 10:43:58 AM

HotWingConspiracy: SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.

What


smoket

intransitive verb

1a : to emit or exhalet smoke
1b : to emit excessivet smoke
 
2014-02-11 10:44:06 AM
So...if only there were a man of mixed race in a position of power to do something about it....?
 
2014-02-11 10:45:30 AM

sprawl15: Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

list of people this surprises:

Rincewind53,


Not in the slightest

/currently trying to become a public defender
 
2014-02-11 10:45:56 AM
Rand Paul said something similar, so I fully expect him to forcefully denounce Obama's attack on law enforcement.
 
2014-02-11 10:48:04 AM
Dats rayciss
 
2014-02-11 10:48:40 AM

xanadian: Rincewind53: tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.

So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

More like, one set of laws for those with money, and one set of laws for those without.  Just happens that, on average, minorities have less money than WASP-types.


Sounds like if I wanted to be a pro-pot vigilante, my time would be best served by providing free legal counsel to those without money and make it annoying and time consuming for cops to bust people for possession.

It also sounds fairly reminiscent of an old Dave Chapelle standup routine.
 
2014-02-11 10:48:45 AM
Middle class kids can, but they tend to have to work a lot harder at it.

SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.


Having fascist asshats for parents makes such work quite easier.

Otherwise Just Fine: Black kid comes in, dressed in street clothes, tells the judge to "fark off." Yeah, that kid went to prison.


Showing contempt toward a judge is about the fastest way to pull it off.
 
2014-02-11 10:49:37 AM

Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.


xanadian: More like, one set of laws for those with money, and one set of laws for those without. Just happens that, on average, minorities have less money than WASP-types


Here is the point you seemed to miss.

tobcc: But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes. Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.


It's the likelihood of other crimes. Yes, money and background contribute to that also but it is the other crimes which are the important thing here.
 
2014-02-11 10:50:06 AM

moefuggenbrew: So...if only there were a man of mixed race in a position of power to do something about it....?


And being accused by the Republican of perpetuating racial conflict ?
 
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2014-02-11 10:50:17 AM
It may keep them from anything other than a criminal, but look at the bright side:  They get plenty of vocational training in prison for their future career!
 
2014-02-11 10:51:20 AM

SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.


Ooh, look, he edgy!
 
2014-02-11 10:51:37 AM

sprawl15: HotWingConspiracy: SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.

What

smoket

intransitive verb

1a : to emit or exhalet smoke
1b : to emit excessivet smoke


I think it's a riff on Obama's "if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon" line (or that Barry Jr wouldn't/couldn't play football).

It's the enhanced-flour potato bread of comments.
 
2014-02-11 10:51:47 AM

Rincewind53: /currently trying to become a public defender


Witness for the prosecution too challenging?
 
2014-02-11 10:53:47 AM
"Concedes"? Was he arguing the opposite point?
 
2014-02-11 10:53:48 AM
Welcome to the class war, Obama!
The "War on Drugs" wasn't because "drugs are bad, mmmkay", but because it facilitated the class warfare Reagan and his cronies wanted to wage. As with so many other laws, the rich and middle-class folks, especially white rich and middle-class folks, get one treatment, while everyone else received a very different treatment. It's nice that you recognize that, Obama, but as you're not really going to do anything about it, the class war will go on.

Decriminalize marijuana on a federal level. Allow the states to decide for themselves whether it should be legalized. Stop interfering with states that have legalized it. Until then, I don't really care what comes out of your mouth on the subject - you can claim sympathy all damned day, but if you do nothing to change the situation, your mealy-mouthed utterings are pointless.
 
2014-02-11 10:55:24 AM

Rincewind53: sprawl15: Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

list of people this surprises:

Rincewind53,

Not in the slightest

/currently trying to become a public defender


I tried to be a public defender. I didn't get hired after an 18 month long internship. The person they hired instead of me was arrested two weeks ago and charged felony allowing drug abuse because her live in boyfriend was selling drugs in their house.

/I was hired by the Prosecutor's office a few days after I found out I didn't get the PD job. Much happier where I am now.
 
2014-02-11 10:57:10 AM

SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.


Do you think he is so stupid as to tell you that he is smoking weed?
 
2014-02-11 10:57:38 AM
I may rant

This is the wrong approach and will not help sway the argument for virulant anti-pot people

The approach should be this:  Draconian manditory-minimum laws and current drug scheduling (out-dated) are hamstringing ALL young people busted for possession charges.

 Although statistics show minorities fare worse the point should be that, yes, even your middle-class high-schooler can be arrested. Maybe you can afford the grease to ease that skid, maybe not - but, when that youngster has to answer "have you ever been arrested" the answer will be "yes"

I am going to be miffed if the racial/societal divide becomes pivotal because it will only create more bs noise about "those poor drug using "thems" and ignores how many middle- and upper-class lilly white people use pot regularly.

This should be a single issue - the issue of why minorities receive uneven justice (crimes relating to possession, stand-your-ground cases, rape, etc) should be part of a larger conversation that includes a big red headline about for-profit prisons.

Legalization of pot - medical or otherwise - is an issue that does NOT need to include a justification based on race-based sentencing when the sentencing alone is skewed for all. Why not illustrate just how long the entirety of the population at large has used it and why legalization might help un-do cartels and increase state revenue and free up the legal system?
 
2014-02-11 11:00:17 AM

Muta: SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.

Do you think he is so stupid as to tell you that he is smoking weed?


He could be saying that he is poor... maybe of a minority ethnicity.
 
2014-02-11 11:00:34 AM
um .. yeah ... duh.
 
2014-02-11 11:00:46 AM

Rincewind53: tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.

So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.


But after all - don't STATISTICS PROVE that brown folks are more criminal than white folks? I mean, numbers can't lie!


Can they?
 
2014-02-11 11:01:20 AM
But we're not going to talk about those asian mutherfarkers because fark those people.
 
2014-02-11 11:01:22 AM
I guess the first step is admitting there's a problem. The next step is to try a bunch of half assed solutions.
 
2014-02-11 11:01:24 AM
People go to jail for smoking weed?
 
2014-02-11 11:02:05 AM

SeaMan Stainz: If I had a son who smoket pot, he would be in prison.


If you had a son, YOU would be in prison. Raping and impregnating a donkey is against the law.
 
2014-02-11 11:02:06 AM

tobcc: Rincewind53: tobcc: I live in a "Cop Town" area of the city, where a large number of cops live.  I talked with one about this very thing at a kids sports game this fall.  He said in our city, they dont care about pot.  But in the inner city kids who smoke and have pot on them are more than likely involved in gangs and other secondary crimes.   Kids in the nicer parts of town have parents or part time jobs that give them money to buy pot with.   He also said that if he busts someone with pot there is a HUGE amount of paperwork.  He said most cops dont feel like dealing with the paperwork unless there are other crimes involved, as it will usually get pleaded down to nothing.  He did say that with pot (and most other minor crimes), if you have a little money you can get a lawyer to get you off.  So if he knew that he was going to spend 1/2 a day on paperwork, another 1/2 day dealing with the DA only to have the charges dropped due to a lawyer he would rather you dump it out and stomp it.   But, if you are in gang, he can hold you and use it for leverage to get you to give up someone else in your gang for other crimes.  If the gang banger will not give up any info they charge them and roll the dice.

So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

I would note that the cop was a Black guy.  If you want to make it simple I would say yes, but he made it seem like if your poor (white or black) it makes his job easier.  I am not defending him, but it seems more like human nature, if we can get more for less work, we do it.


Oh yeah, well that changes things.
 
2014-02-11 11:02:49 AM

JRoo: People go to jail for smoking weed?


Not REAL people like you or me, fool.
 
2014-02-11 11:03:40 AM

JRoo: People go to jail for smoking weed?


For possession. One person every 42 seconds in 2011.
 
2014-02-11 11:03:54 AM

Ivandrago: Rincewind53: sprawl15: Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

list of people this surprises:

Rincewind53,

Not in the slightest

/currently trying to become a public defender

I tried to be a public defender. I didn't get hired after an 18 month long internship. The person they hired instead of me was arrested two weeks ago and charged felony allowing drug abuse because her live in boyfriend was selling drugs in their house.

/I was hired by the Prosecutor's office a few days after I found out I didn't get the PD job. Much happier where I am now.


It'd  be....ironic if you wound up prosecuting the person that got your PD job.....
 
2014-02-11 11:04:06 AM

Ivandrago: Rincewind53: sprawl15: Rincewind53: So he just out and out told you that there's one set of laws for white people and one set of laws for black people.

list of people this surprises:

Rincewind53,

Not in the slightest

/currently trying to become a public defender

I tried to be a public defender. I didn't get hired after an 18 month long internship. The person they hired instead of me was arrested two weeks ago and charged felony allowing drug abuse because her live in boyfriend was selling drugs in their house.

/I was hired by the Prosecutor's office a few days after I found out I didn't get the PD job. Much happier where I am now.


Of course you are. Eighty percent of your job now consists of looking stern for the jury as you repeat the phrase, "and then what happened, officer?" If you were on the defense side, you'd have to actually work for a living.
 
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