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(Salon)   "Hockey has become immoral due to fighting, drugs, depression, and early death. And Canada is to blame"   (salon.com) divider line 80
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2014-02-11 07:58:11 AM
Wanna fight over it?
 
2014-02-11 08:02:29 AM
Yes, I was just clubbing a little girl over the head with my hockey stick the other day in Toronto and thinking what a sad, violent world this is.
 
2014-02-11 08:03:13 AM
assets.nydailynews.com

Oblig
 
2014-02-11 08:04:16 AM
That makes two of us, hockey.
 
2014-02-11 08:06:34 AM
Shut up Salon.com. No one likes you.
 
2014-02-11 08:15:13 AM

gopher321: Yes, I was just clubbing a little girl over the head with my hockey stick the other day in Toronto and thinking what a sad, violent world this is.


I'm Killer Carlson!
 
2014-02-11 08:15:54 AM
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2014-02-11 08:22:57 AM
 if goons such as Shawn Thornton could actually play the game

Thornton says, "fark you, Salon."

/granted, that was against Teabagger Thomas and the Panthers, but still...
 
2014-02-11 08:36:40 AM
I watch hockey.  Therefore, by proxy, I'm a badass.
 
2014-02-11 08:37:44 AM
I blame that biatch Anne Murray too.
 
2014-02-11 08:41:15 AM
The asshole was born in 1967, and the first hockey game he went to was in 1993?

We all weep for the loss of his fanship.

If you think Bob Probert died because of fighting, you're a damn moron.

I would post a list of baseball players who killed themselves or others, either intentionally, or accidentally with drugs, but I'm not one for filling the thread with a long wall of text.
 
2014-02-11 08:44:27 AM
The moron even cites a book written in 2004 which states that hockey had become

"a game of bumper cars - constant contact, minimal skating room, where players are encouraged to 'skate through' the hooking and grabbing that is seen at every point of contact. Passing is generally limited to power plays. Beyond power plays, the lack of skating room forces all teams to play a dump-and-chase style."

and yet he is a dedicated fan who doesn't realize how differently the game was played in the years leading up to that book, and in the last few years (until he "stopped" in 2011, because he had a sad that Probert died after a lifetime of cocaine abuse).
 
2014-02-11 08:49:39 AM
Several profound misunderstandings in that article, the most egregious being why Olympic hockey is so different than the NHL. Which is because at the Olympics you're seeing the best hockey nations in the world with hand-picked rosters of the top talent on earth.
 
2014-02-11 08:52:32 AM
Troll article is a troll.
 
2014-02-11 09:05:47 AM
I haven't seen a spontaneous fight in hockey since the turn of the century. Every recent fight can be predicted by watching them agree to it before the face-off. They have all the true emotion of reality shows and I use them as a gauge to tell the mental age of the fans.
 
2014-02-11 09:17:10 AM
His argument about widening the rink improving the game is horseshiat. It only looks good in the Olympics because those are essentially all-star teams (and it didn't impede the excitement of 2010 which was on NHL-sized surfaces).

The truth is larger ice stupifies the game and reduces the action quotient because there is more "dead zone" play (ie: areas of the ice where the puck is not in a threatening scoring position). Hockey is most exciting when the puck is in front of the net or is moving towards it. The larger ice surface is counter-intuitive to that because it encourages collapsing zone defenses, stunted positional play, endless cycling in the dead zones in the corners and lots of dump ins and dump outs because the width of the ice makes it easier to clear the puck and defend better.

In short, the international-sized ice surface turns hockey into soccer on skates: Lots of perimeter passing, fewer turnovers, more puck possession, fewer odd-man rushes, lots of movement but nothing getting accomplished, and the puck always far away from the net (where all the excitement happens). That's why there is less scoring in European leagues. I mean, which do you want: A forward forced by limited space to drive forward toward the net with the puck, or with the extra space pass the puck back to his defenseman, who can sit back and assess the situation before breaking out?

We want aggressive fore-checking, forced puck movement from lack of space, mobile defence and an uptempo, physical style where each shift is going for broke. You do not get this in international hockey.
 
2014-02-11 09:19:49 AM
You know how the USA goes around the world bombing third world countries into the stone age just to get their oil. I think Canada should take this strategy but to obtain their countries best hockey players as a resource to ensure our dominance.
 
2014-02-11 09:21:23 AM

CommonName2: I haven't seen a spontaneous fight in hockey since the turn of the century. Every recent fight can be predicted by watching them agree to it before the face-off. They have all the true emotion of reality shows and I use them as a gauge to tell the mental age of the fans.


You know how I know you don't watch the playoffs?
 
2014-02-11 09:24:08 AM
Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?
 
2014-02-11 09:45:00 AM

CommonName2: I haven't seen a spontaneous fight in hockey since the turn of the century. Every recent fight can be predicted by watching them agree to it before the face-off. They have all the true emotion of reality shows and I use them as a gauge to tell the mental age of the fans.


9.5/10

The mental age comment, on its own, would be ham-fisted, but the beautiful lead up adds to its credibility.

Well done. Near maximum trolling.
 
2014-02-11 09:49:29 AM

oldfarthenry: Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?


That's a pretty silly thing to say considering Team USA's roster.
 
2014-02-11 09:50:57 AM

oldfarthenry: Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?


There has already been one. Despite the contractors siphoning off fully 98.9% of the construction funds, the rinks actually have ice and their ceilings have not yet collapsed.
 
2014-02-11 09:54:28 AM
I agree strongly with this article. Damn albino apes with their uncivilized THUGpuck sport.
 
2014-02-11 10:13:24 AM
Ishkur:

You know how I know you don't watch the playoffs?

The easier way is to find out that I am an Oiler fan and have a serious case of the "Sour Grapes".

// 2014-2015 is our season!
 
2014-02-11 10:18:21 AM
Doesn't this jerk off have some fashion article to write or something?

Excuse me sir, I believe your balls are missing.
 
2014-02-11 10:20:11 AM
Doesn't this same "fighting is bad, m'kay" story get written every Olympics?  Let me guess, author claims he's a casual fan and would watch more games if there was more "skill" and less gooning it up?  Blames fighting for media-fanned concussion Godzilla that's destroying sports Tokyo?
 
2014-02-11 10:21:28 AM

CommonName2: The easier way is to find out that I am an Oiler fan and have a serious case of the "Sour Grapes".


So you haven't watched the playoffs in 10 years?
 
2014-02-11 10:30:06 AM

lordjupiter: Doesn't this same "fighting is bad, m'kay" story get written every Olympics?  Let me guess, author claims he's a casual fan and would watch more games if there was more "skill" and less gooning it up?  Blames fighting for media-fanned concussion Godzilla that's destroying sports Tokyo?


we totes would have had peace in our time if the american president didnt conspiracize to set up us the bombing of pearl harbror.
 
2014-02-11 10:40:49 AM

Ishkur: CommonName2: The easier way is to find out that I am an Oiler fan and have a serious case of the "Sour Grapes".

So you haven't watched the playoffs in 10 years?


I always plan to, but by January it is usually clear that I'll be too busy and that the playoffs have gotten too commercialized. ... and spend time outside .... and whatever, I don't care ... and yes I'd like to renew my Gamecenter subscription.
 
2014-02-11 10:54:52 AM
Is he really upset about the six players that still fight in this league?

The NHL has become a sport full of women. Did this guy write the article in 1964?
 
2014-02-11 10:55:10 AM

oldfarthenry: Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?


No, it's whinging from a sissypants who wants the NHL to play by helicopter-parent playground rules and only watches the Olympics because it doesn't offend his anti-violence sensibilities.
 
2014-02-11 10:56:01 AM

CommonName2: I haven't seen a spontaneous fight in hockey since the turn of the century. Every recent fight can be predicted by watching them agree to it before the face-off. They have all the true emotion of reality shows and I use them as a gauge to tell the mental age of the fans.


You obviously haven't watched the US-Canada women's games.

/those ladies mean business
 
2014-02-11 10:56:51 AM
I'm sure Canada is very sorry.
 
2014-02-11 11:00:11 AM
What can we say, we like to watch flapping heads flap.
Sorry
 
2014-02-11 11:02:07 AM

T-Servo: You obviously haven't watched the US-Canada women's games.

/those ladies mean business


A quote from a former Team USA Player/Current Coach:

"That said, I still hate Canada. I'm a Red Sox fan, so I hate losing to the Yankees, but not nearly as much as losing to Canada. The other day, a fellow coach took the ice with a stick wrapped in Canadian-flag hockey tape. She thought it was funny. I did not."
 
2014-02-11 11:03:46 AM
IIRC, don't hits (both clean and dirty) and falls cause more NHL head injuries than fights anyway?
 
2014-02-11 11:25:30 AM
I could happily do without the fighting in the sport, but contact sports always incur injuries.  There's no fighting in the NFL, and look at all the concussion problems they have.  There comes a point where a participant needs to accept the risk of the sport in which they participate.  If the viewers turn away because they don't like what they're seeing, then deal with it accordingly, but hockey without forceful contact isn't likely to come about any time soon.
 
2014-02-11 11:29:08 AM
Fighting is such an important part of hockey that it isn't allowed at any level except the pros. Also, it's so important at the pro level that come playoff time, fights rarely occur because of the time lost and possible outcomes from not being on the ice. This article isn't greatly written or researched, but I agree that fighting needs to leave hockey. If you watch the Olympics, the games are just as exciting without goons slugging it out.
 
2014-02-11 11:38:19 AM

puckrock2000: if goons such as Shawn Thornton could actually play the game

Thornton says, "fark you, Salon."

/granted, that was against Teabagger Thomas and the Panthers, but still...


Yeah, Seems like this guy doesn't know much about the game...

Thornton crossed the line and he paid the penalty for it, but he can play the game and saying he's a "goon" is nonsense.
 
2014-02-11 11:41:34 AM

oldfarthenry: Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?


No, it's a guy who casually saw his first game at age 26, probably saw another dozen or so in the next 18 years before he decided that it was too violent for him and that they should change the rules to suit him.

In case anyone doesn't already know, almost noone joins the NHL in order to be a fighter. The players who become fighters in the NHL are players who were, at pretty much every other level under the NHL, the BEST PLAYERS IN THOSE LEAGUES. They simply were no longer the best at the very highest level, and they chose to take the fighter/bruiser role in order to play in the NHL. The players who were goons in juniors never advanced to major juniors. The players who were goons in major juniors never advanced to the AHL. The players who are goons in the NHL were, up until they arrived in the NHL, skilled players.
 
2014-02-11 11:51:19 AM
Oh wow look it's one of these articles again.
 
2014-02-11 11:53:49 AM

proteus_b: The players who become fighters in the NHL are players who were, at pretty much every other level under the NHL, the BEST PLAYERS IN THOSE LEAGUES


The preceding post does not apply to John Scott, because there is no universe where that pylon is considered to be a good player.
 
2014-02-11 12:02:41 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: proteus_b: The players who become fighters in the NHL are players who were, at pretty much every other level under the NHL, the BEST PLAYERS IN THOSE LEAGUES

The preceding post does not apply to John Scott, because there is no universe where that pylon is considered to be a good player.


Proposal, the Fark All Time Pylon Squad.  Scott is joined on defense by Wade Belak.
 
2014-02-11 12:18:40 PM

Rev.K: Several profound misunderstandings in that article, the most egregious being why Olympic hockey is so different than the NHL. Which is because at the Olympics you're seeing the best hockey nations in the world with hand-picked rosters of the top talent on earth.


Bigger rink helps.
 
2014-02-11 12:30:54 PM

SDRR: Bigger rink helps.


The talent level helps more.

It's a dream team for every high-powered hockey nation on Earth, especially Canada, USA, Sweden and Russia. To say nothing of the Czech Republic and Finland.

Yes, the bigger ice promotes a skill and speed game, but they're also playing with the absolute best players they can muster.
 
2014-02-11 12:33:26 PM

Rev.K: SDRR: Bigger rink helps.

The talent level helps more.

It's a dream team for every high-powered hockey nation on Earth, especially Canada, USA, Sweden and Russia. To say nothing of the Czech Republic and Finland.

Yes, the bigger ice promotes a skill and speed game, but they're also playing with the absolute best players they can muster.


I remember during the 04/05 lockout Sportsnet starting showing Swedish Elite League games, dear Lord were they boring.
 
2014-02-11 12:39:37 PM

proteus_b: oldfarthenry: Is this a preempted "hockey doesn't matter" statement from a yank who knows there'll be no "miracle on ice" in Sochi?

No, it's a guy who casually saw his first game at age 26, probably saw another dozen or so in the next 18 years before he decided that it was too violent for him and that they should change the rules to suit him.

In case anyone doesn't already know, almost noone joins the NHL in order to be a fighter. The players who become fighters in the NHL are players who were, at pretty much every other level under the NHL, the BEST PLAYERS IN THOSE LEAGUES. They simply were no longer the best at the very highest level, and they chose to take the fighter/bruiser role in order to play in the NHL. The players who were goons in juniors never advanced to major juniors. The players who were goons in major juniors never advanced to the AHL. The players who are goons in the NHL were, up until they arrived in the NHL, skilled players.


This is not entirely correct. There have been more than a few players drafted solely as fighters. Granted, every year's draft you see it happen less and less....but it still happens.
 
2014-02-11 12:49:38 PM
"Somebody is enjoying something! This cannot stand." - Salon
 
2014-02-11 01:18:23 PM
nfl is full of drugged up losers.

nhl is just some good ol' canadian boys playing hard.

/you're racist
 
2014-02-11 01:18:51 PM
$10 seats at the United Center during the worst years of Dollar Bill's reign? Sounds right.
 
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