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(Huffington Post)   "Dammit. Why can't you just tell us whether the water is safe to drink or not?" "Well, we could tell you, but that would ruin the whole surprise" *facepalm*   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 50
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2014-02-11 07:59:38 AM
One Month After West Virginia Spill, Officials At Congressional Hearing Still Short On Answers


The headline is phrased in a way that makes it seem like the elected officials are at fault.
 
2014-02-11 08:17:50 AM

Headso: One Month After West Virginia Spill, Officials At Congressional Hearing Still Short On Answers


The headline is phrased in a way that makes it seem like the elected officials are at fault.


That's why the chemical company didn't go
They wanted the gubmint to be the scrape goat

Control the media and you control the nation.
 
2014-02-11 08:41:55 AM
These moonshiners wouldn't want to put anything potentially harmful in their bodies
 
2014-02-11 08:55:13 AM
"Freedom Industries, Inc." polluting rivers with chemicals...that really sounds like it should be owned by the Koch's.
 
2014-02-11 08:57:05 AM
But, he also said, "just because you can smell something doesn't mean it's not safe."

Isn't it a basic survival instinct to avoid water that smells weird?
 
2014-02-11 08:57:33 AM

Headso: One Month After West Virginia Spill, Officials At Congressional Hearing Still Short On Answers


The headline is phrased in a way that makes it seem like the elected officials are at fault.


Big government regulations.  Of course they're at fault. And that doesn't even touch on Benghazi, Obamacare, the IRS, and Benghazi.
 
2014-02-11 08:59:46 AM
This is what happens when you vote Republican, West Virginians.
 
2014-02-11 09:04:37 AM

HotWingConspiracy: But, he also said, "just because you can smell something doesn't mean it's not safe."

Isn't it a basic survival instinct to avoid water that smells weird?


Yeah, unless this stuff is a thiol (which you CAN smell in.. insanley, vanishingly small quantities), if it's got a high enough concentration that it's giving the water an odor-

I wouldn't drink it.
 
2014-02-11 09:11:38 AM
yeah if water smells like chemicals I wouldn't put it in my body.
 
2014-02-11 09:11:39 AM
It taste like freedumb

www.bartcop.com
 
2014-02-11 09:23:21 AM
"We continue to work until the smell is eradicated from the system," said McIntyre. But, he also said, "just because you can smell something doesn't mean it's not safe."

I don't know how it is in West Virginia, but here in South Carolina, we pay the water department specifically for the non-smelling water.  If they sent me something other than that, I'd start biatching about false advertising and refusing to pay my bill, being that what they put in my taps was not what I contracted for.
 
2014-02-11 09:25:34 AM

xria: "Freedom Industries, Inc." polluting rivers with chemicals...that really sounds like it should be owned by the Koch's.


Well, they were a distributor of mining reagents made by Koch-owned Georgia Pacific...
 
2014-02-11 09:28:19 AM
And this is why I will never, ever visit West Virginia.
 
2014-02-11 09:30:18 AM
Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.
 
2014-02-11 09:30:34 AM
I won't believe it's safe until I see the Governor on TV every day drinking a glassful from a different Charlestonite's tap.
 
2014-02-11 09:34:27 AM
Did they ever figure out if the chemical was harmful or not?
 
2014-02-11 09:40:38 AM
Drown them all in their chemical tanks
 
2014-02-11 09:42:33 AM
"Ensuring that above-ground storage tanks are structurally sound and have adequate secondary containment seems like simple commonsense today, but before the Freedom Industries' release, the general thought process was that if the material in a given tank wasn't regulated by any of the multitude of state or federal programs, then it was probably harmless to both the public health and the environment," said Mike Dorsey, director of the Homeland Security and Emergency Response division of the Department of Environmental Protection. "The fallacy of that type of assumption is clear now. "

The only people who made that assumption are the bean counters at the chemical company. You went along with their assumption because you are a bought and paid for stooge, who should be executed for violation of the public trust
 
2014-02-11 09:51:33 AM

HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.


When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.
 
2014-02-11 09:53:15 AM

Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.


The default allowable PPM is 0 for all substances unless otherwise noted
 
2014-02-11 09:56:04 AM

xria: "Freedom Industries, Inc." polluting rivers with chemicals...that really sounds like it should be owned by the Koch's.


As I understand it the Koch-owned Georgia Pacific made the chemicals in question and are responsible for doing next to no research on their toxicity or carcinogenic  risks, but Freedom itself was an independently owned distributor, nothing more.
 
2014-02-11 09:56:27 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-11 10:03:43 AM

Headso: One Month After West Virginia Spill, Officials At Congressional Hearing Still Short On Answers


The headline is phrased in a way that makes it seem like the elected officials are at fault.


Now we get to see all the people complaining about government over-regulation demand to know why there wasn't government regulation.
 
2014-02-11 10:05:44 AM

A Cave Geek: [i.imgur.com image 480x288]



Came here to shout this, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-02-11 10:06:13 AM

Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.


The EPA can't give a PPM standard because the chemicals are trade secrets and can't be tested.  The fault is not with the EPA.  They don't have the teeth necessary to require companies storing dangerous chemicals to let the EPA test them.

All the power is in the hands of the corporations.  All of the risk is held by the public.
 
2014-02-11 10:08:47 AM
EPA Regulations on drinking water: "If its brown drink it down, if its black send it back."
 
2014-02-11 10:15:52 AM

Lost Thought 00: Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.

The default allowable PPM is 0 for all substances unless otherwise noted


So this makes me think they are in trace amounts but still have a smell.  What would you say to cover your butt just in case.
 
2014-02-11 10:16:00 AM

HotWingConspiracy: But, he also said, "just because you can smell something doesn't mean it's not safe."

Isn't it a basic survival instinct to avoid water that smells weird?


Nope, thats just what the america hating librool media controlled by fartbongo wants you to believe.

Why would the good people at Freedom Industries lie go us?
 
2014-02-11 10:18:18 AM

Saiga410: Lost Thought 00: Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.

The default allowable PPM is 0 for all substances unless otherwise noted

So this makes me think they are in trace amounts but still have a smell.  What would you say to cover your butt just in case.


This is the exact same problem I have with the gun lobby's "law abiding citizens".  If there are no farking laws or regulations, then EVERYONE is a "law abiding citizen".  If there's no regulation or law saying they CAN'T dump certain things into the water supply, then OF COURSE they're 'in compliance with all regulations'...because there are none.
 
2014-02-11 10:21:19 AM
"That's, in a way, a difficult thing to say because everybody has a different definition of 'safe,'" said Tierney.

Tierney then went on to reiterate that he did not have sexual relations with that water supply.
 
2014-02-11 10:36:35 AM
So are the people still relying on bottled water from the treatment plant on Burpelson AFB?
 
2014-02-11 10:46:45 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I won't believe it's safe until I see the Governor on TV every day drinking a glassful from a different Charlestonite's tap.


i.telegraph.co.uk
/obscure?
 
2014-02-11 10:46:59 AM

A Cave Geek: Saiga410: Lost Thought 00: Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.

The default allowable PPM is 0 for all substances unless otherwise noted

So this makes me think they are in trace amounts but still have a smell.  What would you say to cover your butt just in case.

This is the exact same problem I have with the gun lobby's "law abiding citizens".  If there are no farking laws or regulations, then EVERYONE is a "law abiding citizen".  If there's no regulation or law saying they CAN'T dump certain things into the water supply, then OF COURSE they're 'in compliance with all regulations'...because there are none.


American Water is dumping chemicals in our water?.... well outside of clorine, lye and floride.
 
2014-02-11 10:53:55 AM

Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.


Exactly my point -- you have to read between the lines.  The answer is clearly 'no' -- i.e. we're following the guidelines we've been given, but we wouldn't drink that shiat if our lives depended on it.
 
2014-02-11 10:54:29 AM

vudukungfu: Headso: One Month After West Virginia Spill, Officials At Congressional Hearing Still Short On Answers


The headline is phrased in a way that makes it seem like the elected officials are at fault.

That's why the chemical company didn't go
They wanted the gubmint to be the scrape goat

Control the media and you control the nation.


Whats a scrape goat? pics?
 
2014-02-11 10:58:03 AM

Saiga410: HugsAndPuppies: Seems obvious to me.  When you are asked if the water is safe and you have to respond,  "As a water company, we don't set the standards,but we are in compliance with all the standards."

Then the farking answer is 'no'.

When the EPA does not give you guidance on the PPM that is considered safe what do you expect the water company to say?  We meet the requirements of the legs and many people not freaked out because chemicals feel safe to use the water, we aint going to open ourselves to litigation.


If you ask a water company if the water is safe to drink, any answer other than "Yes, absolutely.  In fact, pour me a glass out of your own faucet and I'll down it right now", is an unqualified "no".
 
2014-02-11 11:09:47 AM

FnkyTwn: Whats a scrape goat? pics?


What west-by-god-virginians call an escape goat.
totes goats.
 
2014-02-11 11:10:13 AM
it wasn't safe to drink the water before the chemical spill, so why would anyone say it is safe to drink now?
 
2014-02-11 11:15:26 AM
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I say, let's get those free-market, deregulation asses into a meeting... and by the way, we had that water brought in specially for you folks...
 
2014-02-11 11:33:39 AM
Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.
 
2014-02-11 11:47:09 AM

Prophet of Loss: Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.


The free market is self-correcting. If a company behaves in a way we don't like or that harms us, we stop doing business with them and they go out of business. Problem solved.
 
2014-02-11 12:06:04 PM

Wellon Dowd: Prophet of Loss: Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.

The free market is self-correcting. If a company behaves in a way we don't like or that harms us, we stop doing business with them and they go out of business. Problem solved.


Except in situations where by the time we realize the damage, it may be too late to reverse it.
 
2014-02-11 12:16:58 PM

Wellon Dowd: Prophet of Loss: Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.

The free market is self-correcting. If a company behaves in a way we don't like or that harms us, we stop doing business with them and they go out of business. Problem solved.


The guilty just golden parachute out just to start another mess somewhere else.

Meanwhile, your kid has cancer.
 
2014-02-11 12:32:18 PM

Prophet of Loss: Wellon Dowd: Prophet of Loss: Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.

The free market is self-correcting. If a company behaves in a way we don't like or that harms us, we stop doing business with them and they go out of business. Problem solved.

The guilty just golden parachute out just to start another mess somewhere else.

Meanwhile, your kid has cancer.


What! The magic of the free market doesn't automatically deter bad actors? The hell you say!
 
2014-02-11 12:50:36 PM
Why hasn't anyone added some lead to the CEO of Freedom industries?? WTF WV...  You think you are going to get anything out of this legally??
 
2014-02-11 12:50:48 PM

A Cave Geek: [i.imgur.com image 480x288]


Also true with regulation and legislation by former employees of the regulated.
 
2014-02-11 01:03:43 PM

Lost Thought 00: "Ensuring that above-ground storage tanks are structurally sound and have adequate secondary containment seems like simple commonsense today, but before the Freedom Industries' release, the general thought process was that if the material in a given tank wasn't regulated by any of the multitude of state or federal programs, then it was probably harmless to both the public health and the environment," said Mike Dorsey, director of the Homeland Security and Emergency Response division of the Department of Environmental Protection. "The fallacy of that type of assumption is clear now. "

The only people who made that assumption are the bean counters at the chemical company. You went along with their assumption because you are a bought and paid for stooge, who should be executed for violation of the public trust


Sometimes I think that it would be better if public officials who are caught, tried, and convicted of being shills to private industry should be executed on the spot. Might clean things up a bit.
 
2014-02-11 01:30:47 PM

whosits_112: Sometimes I think that it would be better if public officials who are caught, tried, and convicted of being shills to private industry should be executed on the spot. Might clean things up a bit.


A crafty lawyer could make the case for treason, I'm sure.
 
2014-02-11 02:11:14 PM
whosits_112:
Sometimes I think that it would be better if public officials who are caught, tried, and convicted of being shills to private industry should be executed on the spot. Might clean things up a bit.

That is extreme. A complete dissolution of the company and it's assets on the spot, including jail time if actions were shown to be negligent.. that makes sense.

If you want to make billions as an energy magnate, prepare to be held to a higher standard. That should be obvious, somehow, half our national dialogue seems to forget the responsibility that comes with opportunity to profit

/i bet you can guess which half
 
2014-02-11 02:38:36 PM

Wellon Dowd: Prophet of Loss: Why after everything from radium to tobacco do people continue to trust corporations?

What could possibly go wrong? This, jackass.

The free market is self-correcting. If a company behaves in a way we don't like or that harms us, we stop doing business with them and they go out of business. Problem solved.


Please tell me that you're posting that, in this thread, as sarcasm.  I honestly can't tell anymore.
 
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