miss diminutive: Pangea: At this point I just presume all cops are bad and won't even look at one. Except when I feel like that makes me suspicious, and I look at them briefly. Plus I'll never lie to a friend, but I have no guilt associated with lying to cops either. I don't even recognize them as humans anymore.I'm not at that point yet. I know eleven cops personally to varying degrees (my old job on a university campus had me interacting with them regularly) and four of them were just decent guys who treated people well and with respect, took pride in their work and at least tried to see where people were coming from. The other seven were raging assholes who treated their badge like a free pass to harass, intimidate and humiliate people legally.
Headso: Pangea: kindms: Headso: This is another thread where one can find an explanation for our roid raging paramilitary police force and high incarceration rates, as you can see by half the posts in this thread Americans are fine with the police beating the shiat out of an entire family because someone dropped a cigarette butt on the ground.The President of The United States of America is debating whether to assassinate ANOTHER citizen without charging them with crimes or affording them due process GUARANTEED in the US Constitution and no one gives a shiat. So cops beating on people is not even going to register with most people. This thread is a perfect example. Lots of GOOD and I'm OK With This just because the headline describes person or people that folks have been trained it is OK to hate. Sound familiar ?Your false equivalency is bad and you should feel bad.that's for sure, there's even a thread about that very topic on the politics tab at this very moment if he wants to discuss that subject.
trappedspirit: His side of the story sounds pretty plausible.Citizen: "Can I pick up that cigarette?"Officer: *FULLNELSON*
fueldr: trappedspirit: His side of the story sounds pretty plausible.Citizen: "Can I pick up that cigarette?"Officer: *FULLNELSON*Thank you!!!!I know we all hate the cops and that all cops are true power hungry scumbags who deserve instant death because of the profession they chose. . . but are we really around 100 posts in the thread without anyone even questioning these events? In all situations you have two sides and then the truth. We have one side of this story and an incomplete side at that. Dad drops things all the time, yet he smokes. Wow, what a wonderful combination. No chance of anything wrong going on there.I'm sure the neighbor knocking "calmly" expressed to the son that the father was being ticketed. The son then went out and had a calm, quiet talk with the police. He probably said something like "Excuse me officer, can we please resolve this another way, I'll pick up the ciggy" and not "How dare you ticket my father you racist MF," I'm sure there were no gestures that could have appeared aggressive in his stance. And of course, the officers have history and know if they are dealing with a convicted murdered or a college grad with no criminal record. Then mom comes out and escalates the situation further.Cmon people, we are better than this. You aren't guilty because you are black and you aren't guilty because you are a cop. The facts in this story by the family do not add up. That doesn't mean the cop was correct in what he did. You do an investigation, look at the officers history and piece together what actually happened. Don't take the above paragraph as a defense of the cop. He might be a complete scumbag. You just aren't going to convince me of that by having one side of the story that makes the family look like heavenly angels and the cops look like demons rising up from the underworld. The truth is likely going to be a lot closer to the middle.
Pangea: At this point I just presume all cops are bad and won't even look at one. Except when I feel like that makes me suspicious, and I look at them briefly. Plus I'll never lie to a friend, but I have no guilt associated with lying to cops either. I don't even recognize them as humans anymore
fueldr: You aren't guilty because you are black
jst3p: Sounds legit.
FistingMidgets: Got off easy...
rnatalie: They didn't tase the guy who dropped the butt. They tased the guy's son
jfivealive: CheekyMonkey: Aside from the repugnant behavior of the cops in question, there are a couple of things wrong with this story:1. This man's nerve damage notwithstanding, smokers don't drop cigarette butts on the ground "by accident". 99.9% of them are serial litterbugs.2. Genital tasering is a perfectly cromulent punishment for any act of littering, especially a smoker throwing a butt on the ground.The guy who got the nut tasering isn't the one who was smoking.
Headso: jst3p: Sounds legit.[www.fourwinds10.net image 400x225]indeed...
jst3p: So here is what we are expected to believe.Old man outside getting a ticket.Son walks up calmly "Excuse me Officer, my father has nerve damage, could I please just pick it up and avoid the fine?""Nope. And if you don't back up I can write you a ticket too.""Aww shucks."*son begins to walk away*Other cop rushes in "LEROOOOOOOY JEEEEEENKINS!!!!!" *slam* "Hey Ted, I got this mother farker in a full nelson, punch the old guy in the face and get to tazerin on DEEEEEEEZ NUUUUUUUTZZZ!"*ZAP*Sounds legit.
walktoanarcade: All righty then...I read the article and all I can say is...sear the cop with a cattle brand several times on his taint while "Ode to Joy" is played.Sounds about right, doesn't it?
Carn: What a police officer may look like:[i62.tinypic.com image 250x275]
pkellmey: ristst: gweilo8888: DAR: The mother should have used her cell phone to record the encounter. Video tends to keep cops from becoming assholes.Yeah, no. It tends to get the person doing the filming arrested, too, and charged with violating wiretapping laws.Yah, really.http://www.alternet.org/story/151806/15_years_in_prison_for_taping_t he _cops_how_eavesdropping_laws_are_taking_away_our_best_defense_against_ police_brutalityhttp://photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/11/14/boston-police-arrest-st ud ent-wiretapping-charges-video-recording/Didn't I just hear a news story about this photo surveillance system that's now being used here? Where they just go to archives and track a vehicle used in a crime back to its point of origin?So it's OK for the authorities to use video surveillance but if a citizen films an officer beating the crap outta somebody that's wiretapping...?/yeah, makes perfect senseMy town just announced the police want to start using Google Glass to help identify people on the street. The lines are really getting blurry here.
Public Savant: If you come down hard on perpetrators, they will not re-offend.This guy will think long and hard about littering again.
fueldr: trappedspirit: His side of the story sounds pretty plausible.Citizen: "Can I pick up that cigarette?"Officer: *FULLNELSON*Thank you!!!!I know we all hate the cops and that all cops are true power hungry scumbags who deserve instant death because of the profession they chose. . . but are we really around 100 posts in the thread without anyone even questioning these events? In all situations you have two sides and then the truth. We have one side of this story and an incomplete side at that. Dad drops things all the time, yet he smokes. Wow, what a wonderful combination. No chance of anything wrong going on there.
SuperNinjaToad: The problem wasn't the cigarettes. The problem was not complying. When a cop tells you to do something you do it PERIOD. It doesn't matter if his commands were logical, legal or even make sense ... you just do it!!!This guy wanted to go pick up his dad's dropped cigarette the cop wants to ticket him also. When he decided to go ahead and pick up the cigarette anyway that was a clear rebelling against the officer's orders!Nothing will make a cop go from calm to extreme rage faster than a civilian ignoring or even questioning his orders!! NOTHING!No wonder the cop tackle him, headlocked and his partner tasered his balls!!Right or wrong the truth is they have guns and you don't so you will always lose! Might as well just comply and eat humble pie.
fueldr: You aren't guilty because you are black and you aren't guilty because you are a cop.
Linux_Yes: well, as long as he's black its ok i guess.
MagSeven: Linux_Yes: well, as long as he's black its ok i guess.He's not black. How do you feel about it now?
Beeblebrox: whosits_112: FarkedOver: My wife, who doesn't know I smoke, recently found my clandestine cigarette cup....Not to be mean, but, is she a bit slow? I mean, how could she not know? The smell of cigarettes cling like bad BO.The only people who think smokers don't stink are smokers. Obviously she smokes as well.
IamTomJoad: OnlyM3: Liberal Utopia// result of the state saying cops can gun down anyone at any time for any reason, 'cause they're nervous.The "liberals" are the ones calling for a police state?Wow you aren't very good at this whole troll thing are you?
martid4: This deserves a testicle tasering:[www.healthtalktoday.net image 450x450]
4nik8tor: For what it's worth, I created a petition to make it a requirement that all law enforcement officers record their actions. Hopefully it will get enough signatures. http://wh.gov/lQ2kq;
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