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2014-02-11 03:18:32 AM  

doglover: brimed03: Well, let's be honest: your personality has a lot to do with it, too.

Not as much as you'd think.

Honest, I'm not half as godawful off fark.


Ditto. You should've read the rant I went into on reddit last night. Crikey I was an asshole.

/and yet it felt good, man
 
2014-02-11 03:20:39 AM  

brimed03: elysive: If you truly believe these people cant cook (because of time or whatever other factors), then there's not much hope for poor people left in this topic. I guess they're just stuck eating what fast food restaurants choose to sell them on the cheap.

Until very recently, and extending back for years, there was ONE food supermarket in the entire city of Newark, NJ.

ONE.

I should know, I shopped there semi-regularly. Thankfully, I had a car, because there were no train lines nearby. No car? You carried what you could on the bus. Assuming you had the time to take a bus from across the city.

I bet you smirked at your own cleverness when you wrote "those poor Americans living in food deserts in Japan."

You truly know nothing.


But what does that have to do with making time to cook? I'm sorry for your lack of supermarkets and I'm sorry I tried to make a quip about doglover (who may have never made any comments about making time to cook so it was probably off topic).

But back to the excuse in the OP where you seemed to have the problem...not making time. I've gleaned from your posts that apparently poor people dont have time or possessions with which to watch TV or check facebook. They arent normal people insofar that they like trivial things, recreate, relax or waste time. There's no free time to be had for poor people to reallocate to cooking and financial trade-offs arent an option (like quitting part time jobs or reducing overtime). Even though I've been under the poverty line (and poverty isnt rare, over half of all American households will experience poverty), I know nothing. Got it.

So do enlighten me based on these new assumptions. How will fixing food deserts like Newark by providing more supermarkets help poor people when they dont have time to cook?
I assumed by your name that you were a med student or doctor or something. Do you think that a person diagnosed with uncontrolled type 2 diabetes, when told to stop eating fast food, would just reply "I dont have time to cook" and that's the end of the conversation? The funny thing about major health problems is that people often find time, or seemingly create it out of thin air when they previously were adament about having none.
 
2014-02-11 03:21:59 AM  

Notabunny: I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.


Go ahead. But I'm not wealthy enough to pay taxes in the US, so that's on you.
 
2014-02-11 03:23:40 AM  
Poor people are desperate.  Desperate people make bad decisions and take bad risks.  Poor people make bad decisions and take bad risks.  In addition to all the reasons everyone else has stated, I'd add that after so many years with so few choices they probably have a lot of cases of candida overgrowth which causes you to crave more of the foods that cause the problem in the first place so once you're riding the fast food pony, it's hard to get off.
 
2014-02-11 03:23:41 AM  

Notabunny: doglover: Notabunny: Well, my bet was with baconbeard, the dishes are vegetarian because access to fresh produce was the point of the conversation, school cafeterias were chosen because the infrastructure is in place, and focaccia is a yummy bread made doubleplustasty when toasted with olive oil and pesto.

Vegetarian is more expensive than just "with vegetables" school are not set up to double as soup kitchens, and many lawmakers oppose the free lunch philosophically, not just financially.

I think the best idea was to change the subsidies. We pay a TON to cattle people when really we shouldn't. We need more apples, carrots, and aspa- actually no. No asparagus. That shiat stinks.

I'm pretty sure we're in agreement.


Not me. Now, my *dog*... I should never have switched her food. Good lord, the flatulence is endless and tear-inducing. And as for "that shiat stinks...." Buddy, you don't know the half of it.

/industrial poop bags please
 
2014-02-11 03:24:43 AM  

avanti: When I know I have $50 to sustain myself I will spend it on broccoli.


I'd rather starve.  Broccoli is the devil's vegetable.
 
2014-02-11 03:27:41 AM  

brimed03: doglover: Notabunny: I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria.

Who is this for? And why a school cafeteria? And do I even have to ask why it's vegetarian? Chicken is a wonderful source of everything and cheaper than focaccciaccaia-whatever that is.

LOL focaccia is a type of cheese. And as much as I'm teasing Notabunny about vegetarianism, if the point is to teach the kids about eating fruits and veggies instead of McChicken McNuggets, why not focus on fruits and vegetables.


Cheese? Where the hell did I come up with cheese? I've eaten focaccia, for farks sake. Get a small plate, put a little oil and fresh-cracked pepper, maybe a little rosemary, dip the bread in... Mmm. Not bacon, but still really good.

Bread? The hell, man....

/It's after 3am here, lemme alone
 
2014-02-11 03:28:44 AM  

LordJiro: shtychkn: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Its a testament to how well off America really is.

Or that American corporations keep their food cheap by cutting corners however they can, while American wages stagnate and food prices continue to rise.  Not to mention that many poor people have to work more than one job, so they simply don't have the time or energy to prepare a meal.

"Poor people are fat" is on the same level as "Poor people have refrigerators". It's a convenient statistic that idiots like to use (without knowing the full context) so they feel better about their politicians shiatting on the poor.


I've been poor to the point that I was eating only because a friend found out I was going days at a time without anything more than ramen.  Yes, if you are fat you aren't farking poor.  If you have a roof over your head and enough food to be fat, you are a damn sight better than most the the world's population.  Hell, the people complaining about being poor also have a big screen tv and a car.  That isn't poor.
 
2014-02-11 03:45:15 AM  

OgreMagi: LordJiro: shtychkn: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Its a testament to how well off America really is.

Or that American corporations keep their food cheap by cutting corners however they can, while American wages stagnate and food prices continue to rise.  Not to mention that many poor people have to work more than one job, so they simply don't have the time or energy to prepare a meal.

"Poor people are fat" is on the same level as "Poor people have refrigerators". It's a convenient statistic that idiots like to use (without knowing the full context) so they feel better about their politicians shiatting on the poor.

I've been poor to the point that I was eating only because a friend found out I was going days at a time without anything more than ramen.  Yes, if you are fat you aren't farking poor.  If you have a roof over your head and enough food to be fat, you are a damn sight better than most the the world's population.  Hell, the people complaining about being poor also have a big screen tv and a car.  That isn't poor.


Thank you for your moronic opinion.
 
2014-02-11 03:45:37 AM  

OgreMagi: Hell, the people complaining about being poor also have a big screen tv and a car. That isn't poor.


Who has a what now?
 
2014-02-11 03:50:07 AM  

doglover: OgreMagi: Hell, the people complaining about being poor also have a big screen tv and a car. That isn't poor.

Who has a what now?


They also have refrigerators too.
 
2014-02-11 04:02:24 AM  
I don't know why this comes as such a shock, given that plenty of middle class people with access to any amount of fresh food will often pass it up for junk.

This is how to do it: Prisons should target non-violent, first-time offenders and use the period of incarceration to train them to be community food leaders. Basic nutritional knowledge, cooking skills, food budgeting. Once they're released, they will work in their communities as educators. They get a second chance, some skills, and possibly some self-esteem, and their friends and family benefit.

Sadly, it doesn't look like there will be a shortage of new prisoners any time soon.
 
2014-02-11 04:17:12 AM  

Nogale: Prisons should target non-violent, first-time offenders


And this is what's wrong with America.

We're the only country on Earth that incarcerates non-violent, first time offenders.
 
2014-02-11 04:24:06 AM  

Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99


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2014-02-11 04:36:51 AM  
Just to throw this out there.... but.... prosciutto is meat. So... yeah.
 
2014-02-11 04:37:03 AM  

elysive: brimed03: elysive: If you truly believe these people cant cook (because of time or whatever other factors), then there's not much hope for poor people left in this topic. I guess they're just stuck eating what fast food restaurants choose to sell them on the cheap.

Until very recently, and extending back for years, there was ONE food supermarket in the entire city of Newark, NJ.

ONE.

I should know, I shopped there semi-regularly. Thankfully, I had a car, because there were no train lines nearby. No car? You carried what you could on the bus. Assuming you had the time to take a bus from across the city.

I bet you smirked at your own cleverness when you wrote "those poor Americans living in food deserts in Japan."

You truly know nothing.

But what does that have to do with making time to cook? I'm sorry for your lack of supermarkets and I'm sorry I tried to make a quip about doglover (who may have never made any comments about making time to cook so it was probably off topic).

But back to the excuse in the OP where you seemed to have the problem...not making time. I've gleaned from your posts that apparently poor people dont have time or possessions with which to watch TV or check facebook. They arent normal people insofar that they like trivial things, recreate, relax or waste time. There's no free time to be had for poor people to reallocate to cooking and financial trade-offs arent an option (like quitting part time jobs or reducing overtime). Even though I've been under the poverty line (and poverty isnt rare, over half of all American households will experience poverty), I know nothing. Got it.

So do enlighten me based on these new assumptions. How will fixing food deserts like Newark by providing more supermarkets help poor people when they dont have time to cook?
I assumed by your name that you were a med student or doctor or something. Do you think that a person diagnosed with uncontrolled type 2 diabetes, when told to stop eating fast food, would just reply "I dont have time to cook" and that's the end of the conversation? The funny thing about major health problems is that people often find time, or seemingly create it out of thin air when they previously were adament about having none.


K, it's just past 3:30am here and not all the synapses are firing, but I'll give this a shot.

Yep, poor people have tv's. They also have refrigerators, as Fox news so helpfully pointed out a while back. Not as many as you think, however, have Facebook or, indeed, computers.

In fact, if I wasn't on mobile I'd link you to an article recently written by a Hopkins adjunct professor who lives in Baltimore public housing and is the only one he knows with a smart phone; as he puts it, his neighbors don't even know what a "selfie" is, much less have the ability to take one. See, in Baltimore, they beat you up or even kill you--we had 16 murders in the first two weeks of the year-- for your smart phone, because there are 12 automated kiosks in the state (including two in B'more itself) where you can turn them in for cash.

So now, maybe, you have a very slightly better notion of what it means to be urban poor, ghetto poor, and not merely "under the poverty line." There is a difference, and it is vast.

Ok, so your point was about time. Here's the thing: most of the poor in these areas are working two to three jobs just to feed the kids. Not nice jobs, either, and by "nice" I mean covered by Fair Labor laws. They're doing backbreaking per diem construction work starting at 6am. Whenever that ends, they take a bus home-- an hour or more, the Baltimore MTA isn't called "May Take Awhile" for nothing-- and grab a quick shower and change before taking the next bus--another hour-- to the next job... maybe washing dishes and being treated like shiat in the back of some restaurant where they can smell the food for 8 hours but will get fired if they eat any of it. When that ends, they might go home to catch five hours' sleep before starting over. The one good thing about the bus is that they can get a little extra sleep during that long ride-- although I wouldn't recommend it on most routes, particularly the infamous "Eight Ball."

His wife, of course, is at home minding the kids. Just kidding, she works as a cashier at the Dunkin Donuts-- we won't go into the gunpoint robberies she's endured-- and also cleans offices in the evenings.

They also have kids who, frankly, help raise each other. The grandparents help. The good folks in the neighborhood tries to keep an eye out.

And when they are home, exhausted and perpetually burned out, they might indulge in the luxury of watching a little mindless tv. Which you, apparently, would have them forgo in favor of cooking nice fresh meals. Except, of course, that the nearest supermarket is eight miles away. Another hour's trip, by bus. Each way. Remember, *the bus is not a car: it does not come when you want it to, and it does not stop only where you need it to.* And, yes, Might Take Awhile.

And no, they can't quit these jobs. They have rent to pay. Utilities. The kids need clothes and school supplies. Some kind of food has to be provided. And-- lol-- health insurance? Yeah. The ER bills have to get paid.

Is this every ghetto family's situation? Of course not. These are the lucky ones. Many of the others can't find jobs. So they have no money for jobs, no money for groceries. No home cookin' for them.

Eliminating the food deserts won't help all of them. The economic problem is so much more complex than that. But it is *one piece,* one very important piece. It's a vital healthy option for those with enough resources-- money to buy, additional family members to do the cooking.

No, the -med in my username isn't for a medical degree, so I'm not going to address your question there except in the list general way. Do you actuality know this person you're talking about? Is this someone both real and known to you? Or is this someone you "know" exists because... well, because. Did you ever question where you got this image from, much less bother to find out, before you accepted it, if it's valid?
 
2014-02-11 04:38:24 AM  

doglover: We're the only country on Earth that incarcerates non-violent, first time offenders.


Based on her name, she's probably not American.
 
2014-02-11 04:39:12 AM  

doglover: Notabunny: I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria.

Who is this for? And why a school cafeteria? And do I even have to ask why it's vegetarian? Chicken is a wonderful source of everything and cheaper than focaccciaccaia-whatever that is.


Not of iron, sadly. I'm being treated for anemia and for me a chicken meal might as well be vegetarian. Turkey is good.
 
2014-02-11 04:39:48 AM  

doglover: We're the only country on Earth that incarcerates non-violent, first time offenders.


And hey, if zero warnings isn't good enough for you....

/but honestly, three-strikes laws and so on all came about because too many multiple-time violent offenders were being released early...
 
2014-02-11 04:45:55 AM  

proteus_b: doglover: We're the only country on Earth that incarcerates non-violent, first time offenders.

Based on her name, she's probably not American.


Born in the US and lived there until age 18. How is that relevant?
 
2014-02-11 04:47:05 AM  

Nogale: Not of iron, sadly.


LOLWAT?

3.bp.blogspot.com

You're supposed to eat the liver.
 
2014-02-11 04:56:05 AM  

doglover: Nogale: Not of iron, sadly.

LOLWAT?

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You're supposed to eat the liver.


Uh, no. Nope. No way. No liver for me, thank you very much.
 
2014-02-11 04:57:48 AM  

Nogale: Born in the US and lived there until age 18. How is that relevant?


Well, just meant in regards to incarceration rate.
 
2014-02-11 04:58:49 AM  

Nogale: Uh, no. Nope. No way. No liver for me, thank you very much.


Oh, I used to make that mistake too until my friend Tomer prepared pate' at my house.... and a fresh tomato jelly to serve it with.
 
2014-02-11 04:58:50 AM  

brimed03: This text is now purple: ongbok: I have a feeling your idea of a poor neighborhood is one were everybody has 10 year old cars. Because if you had ever been to the poor areas that they are calling food deserts you would know that there aren't any grocery stores in the area. The places where people in those areas buy food are either the corner liquor store that has a section or two that has some grocery items, usually past or nearing expiration, or fast food places. People in these areas are limited because they don't have transportation to get to a real grocery store besides public transportation, and that could take them a few hours to get to the store and back.


The oddest detail is that those same people will turn around a fight the installation of a grocery store.


Citation needed.


Seriously. I've lived by those areas and the residents were clamoring, crying for a supermarket.


/"those people?"
//teasing
///the all new iSlash



Citation -->  http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/trader-joes-denied-by-black-portland-co m munity/
 
2014-02-11 05:03:06 AM  

Nogale: doglover: Nogale: Not of iron, sadly.

LOLWAT?

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You're supposed to eat the liver.

Uh, no. Nope. No way. No liver for me, thank you very much.


Can you see the liver in the picture?
No?
Then your mouth won't see it either.

Yakitori is like the best food on earth (except for you)

fark it, that's what the poor need: more yakitori joints.
 
2014-02-11 05:09:02 AM  

proteus_b: Nogale: Uh, no. Nope. No way. No liver for me, thank you very much.

Oh, I used to make that mistake too until my friend Tomer prepared pate' at my house.... and a fresh tomato jelly to serve it with.


Ah, now I understand how you knew I'm a woman. On Fark I am regularly assumed to be a male until I correct people.
 
2014-02-11 05:11:35 AM  

meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.

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Full disclosure, my wife is very involved in food policy, and by extension I am because I help her with research and she is getting real tired of the elitist attitude she runs into towards our poorer part of town.

The general attitude from a few of these people is, um, not exactly good towards the lower class.  They want a Market of Choice (think Whole Foods) or some local independent organic grocer, we'd be happy with something far more basic and cheap, because we're realists, and know that there we need incentives to get one there, and the incentives for a high end grocer will be greater than for a lower end grocer.  There already would be a grocery store in one of our food deserts if the demand was there, and but it would still not be a Whole Foods.

In all likelihood I suspect what will end up there is one of the Walmart Neighborhood Market.

the801: meat0918:
Also, get the kids at the school some ideas on fresh foods.  Hook 'em while they're young.


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Here is some of what my kids' school district serves from their Facebook page, and the menus are standardized across the district.

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When we moved to the Gateway area about a year ago it was considered a food desert. The closest place resembling a grocery store at the time was Target, but their selection of fresh food & produce is not only limited, but tends to be spendy, especially to those like me who try to budget their food dollars wisely. A Walmart Neighborhood Market opened back in mid-September and while its selection isn't as good as Winco, it keeps me from having to ride to & from the store on the bus. I still shop at Winco, but have shaved that down to a once a month trip.
 
2014-02-11 05:13:29 AM  
But my point stands. A lot of people in the US go to prison who shouldn't; rather than turning them into lifelong criminals, why not give them the tools to make a difference in their own and other people's lives?
 
2014-02-11 05:37:32 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Might have something to do with taste. Veggies are mostly blech, while meat and cheese and a deep fryer are tasty, tasty.

You'd have to rewire brains to make broccoli and cabbage taste as good as a cheeseburger. With bacon.

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This is the ultimate issue, our brains were designed to crave what was, in the past, the rarest and most difficult to come by foods. Since we are clever we've now made foods that consist of fat, sugar or salt common and easy to come by, and we find them just as delicious as ever.

Even if the cheeseburger with bacon cost more, it would still be the preferred choice by most consumers, simply because it tastes better.

Also I don't care about the inevitable weirdos who like to proclaim how much they like things like broccoli, they are in the minority. There is a reason there are plenty of places you can buy a burger or a pizza, but not a place to buy cooked broccoli.

Ignore the taste factor and you will change nothing.
 
2014-02-11 05:38:12 AM  

Nogale: But my point stands. A lot of people in the US go to prison who shouldn't; rather than turning them into lifelong criminals, why not give them the tools to make a difference in their own and other people's lives?


Because they shouldn't go to prison in the first place. That's a totally different set of problems than the food desert poor people problem, but part of the same philosophy that's killing the country.

Instead of trying to validate prisons or placing the onus on the victims, yes the victims, of our out of control legal system, we should be focusing on hanging prosecutors and police who abuse their powers and making sure that everyone in prison is someone who actually can't be more productive somewhere else. Pretty much prison should be rapists, murderers, and robbers awaiting execution. Everyone else could be horse whipped and set free that day with some gauze an a bin of ointment.
 
2014-02-11 06:05:17 AM  
Eating makes me sick.
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2014-02-11 06:14:44 AM  

fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.


Over in 1.

/knows how to cook
//lived on rice and beans and for a year
///college of slashies
 
2014-02-11 06:16:02 AM  

OgreMagi: LordJiro: shtychkn: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Its a testament to how well off America really is.

Or that American corporations keep their food cheap by cutting corners however they can, while American wages stagnate and food prices continue to rise.  Not to mention that many poor people have to work more than one job, so they simply don't have the time or energy to prepare a meal.

"Poor people are fat" is on the same level as "Poor people have refrigerators". It's a convenient statistic that idiots like to use (without knowing the full context) so they feel better about their politicians shiatting on the poor.

I've been poor to the point that I was eating only because a friend found out I was going days at a time without anything more than ramen.  Yes, if you are fat you aren't farking poor.  If you have a roof over your head and enough food to be fat, you are a damn sight better than most the the world's population.  Hell, the people complaining about being poor also have a big screen tv and a car.  That isn't poor.


cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2014-02-11 06:16:29 AM  

fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.


They know how to cook, for a given definition of 'cook', but yeah, our poor has some of the best access to pre-packaged food and the worst access to reasonably fresh staples.  Some of this is actually self-inflicted.

ramblinwreck: Here's an example: let's drug test every welfare recipient! Oh wait, never mind...that costs us more money in managing a drug testing program that the benefit we get from denying welfare...OOOPS.


Here's a question:  Do you lambast them for changing their mind when presented with new information, or congratulate them for not holding with a sinking ship?  I'm different than most - I respect somebody who changes their mind about a program/proposal when they're presented new information, as opposed to sticking their head in the sand and ignoring all evedence that their program isn't working.

baconbeard: This. We stopped going to McDonalds because the cost to feed a family of 4 was fast approaching the cost of decent meals at a sit-down restaurant.


In my area the only thing keeping 'fast food' cheaper than sit-down is the tip.
 
2014-02-11 06:21:00 AM  

shtychkn: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Its a testament to how well off America really is.


There was a resruranteur in dc, I forget his name, who immigrated to the us from west africa. In an interview he fameously waid that he wanted to move somewhere that "poor people are fat".

this might be a first world problem, and id much rather have this one than mass starvation, but it's still a problem.
 
2014-02-11 06:37:44 AM  

brimed03: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.

The only people I've ever seen ordering off the dollar menu are college students counting change from their ash tray after the bars close.

And when did you last spend time in a fast food joint in a poor area? In a food desert? In, to be un-pc, the ghetto? Or is it more likely that the last time you found yourself in the ghetto, you locked the car doors and sped up a little to get out that much more quickly?

I have spent time in those places. Yeah, they're ordering from the dollar menu. And, sometimes, looking around to see if they can hit up anyone for change to round out the dollar.


I live in the "poor area" so pretty recently.
 
2014-02-11 06:49:56 AM  
there has been a lot of talk about this here. we have had a few grocery stores close in poor areas. all cite poor sales and high loss. its a demand problem.

we need to get education away from teaching to tests and start offering some real life stuff. teach home ec, shop, home finance etc and a lot of people would be better off.
 
2014-02-11 07:07:05 AM  
Liberals only understand deductive logic, which is the cause of this idea that increasing the supply of vegetables was the problem.

"People in some lower income neighborhoods have poor health and poor diets because they don't have access to groceries with vegetables"

When the question should be "How many have access and do they purchase vegetables when available?". To which the answer is "a lot" and "often not".

Liberals skip research that doesn't support their assumptions or might actually disprove them.
 
2014-02-11 07:16:18 AM  
 But only 26 percent said it was their regular "go to" market. And, as might be expected, those who lived close to the store shopped there most regularly.

uh...so like a shiatload of people in the area use the new supermarket?
 
2014-02-11 07:32:13 AM  
 
2014-02-11 07:35:02 AM  

albuquerquehalsey: White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.
They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.
It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.
A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the 'whiter' option. "Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years." White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.
But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.


I love it SOoo much when people tell me what I think and how I feel!
 
2014-02-11 07:44:02 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, the "food desert" is the progressives' version of the knockout game, right?


I see the right wing derposphere have been handed down new marching orders.  I have noticed on several other forums you idiots are now using progressive instead of liberal in your inane trolling.
 
2014-02-11 07:45:37 AM  
I do think it comes down to education.  I say that because I don't buy the 'not enough time' or 'it's too expensive' arguments for cooking healthy at home.  With a crock pot you can take 10 minutes in the morning putting together a lentil soup and you've got a great start to a meal that will last all week.  A whole chicken usually costs about $1.30/pound and again, to you can cook it all day in the crock pot.  Kale is nutrient rich, delicious and dirt cheap.  It really does take no time to make a salad.  Oatmeal (the stuff out of a cardboard tube, not an instant envelope) costs close to nothing and, since most of its preparation time is waiting for it to steep, takes no time to prepare.

People at work who eat out every day spend a minimum of $5.00 on lunch.  A breakfast meal at McDonald's costs about $4.00.  Making my own breakfast and lunch probably costs close to $3.00 for both meals.

It isn't about time or money.  The people just need to learn how to cook.
 
2014-02-11 07:54:56 AM  

albatros183: since fresh fruit can only be traded of rotting vegetables this is no surprise.


What language was this communication intended to be transmitted in?
 
2014-02-11 07:59:39 AM  

TV's Vinnie: The reason why is that in fresh produce, you find a dead frog.

In fast food, they at least have the decency to finely grind up that dead frog so you won't have to see it staring back at you with it's dead eyes.


Naked Lunch.
 
2014-02-11 08:02:29 AM  
Wow, it's almost as if the proprietors of these stores weren't selling these things before because no one wanted to buy them, and they wanted to make money and thus kept selling what people wanted to buy. Was the food-advocate's premise seriously that everyone desperately wanted to eat vegetables but they couldn't because for mysterious reasons everyone who opened a business around them was too stupid to figure out how to sell them vegetables? Really?
 
2014-02-11 08:05:19 AM  
Answer is simple. Just pass more laws that take away individual choice.

Force a menu at gunpoint.
 
2014-02-11 08:11:19 AM  
OH MY GOD, PEOPLE!

MOVE TO WHERE THE SALAD IS!!!!
 
2014-02-11 08:12:42 AM  

ambercat: Wow, it's almost as if the proprietors of these stores weren't selling these things before because no one wanted to buy them, and they wanted to make money and thus kept selling what people wanted to buy. Was the food-advocate's premise seriously that everyone desperately wanted to eat vegetables but they couldn't because for mysterious reasons everyone who opened a business around them was too stupid to figure out how to sell them vegetables? Really?


people seem to be forgetting that 26% of a neighborhood in a large city can be thousands and thousands of people. If the results of the study where framed in a way that just said a new supermarket opened so in this area X thousand of people are now buying fresh veg versus before it would sound like a success. .
 
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