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2014-02-11 01:46:00 AM  

elysive: doglover: It's not a matter of know, it's a matter of when you work three jobs, you don't have time to shop or cook..

I believe that excuse as much as I believe the "I don't have time for exercise" excuse, spoken after telling me about last night's reality show du jour or trip to the pub. It really is cheaper to cook, so maybe the hypothetical person working three jobs could work fewer hours if he/she streamlined the family food budget.

When I lived on my own and ate out every day, my food budget matched my current household's food budget (multiple people, food cooked from scratch, fancy ingredients like fresh seafood).


Wow. They should drill the depths of your smugness for oil.

Elysive, you know nothing.
 
2014-02-11 01:46:23 AM  

avanti: When I know I have $50 to sustain myself I will spend it on broccoli.


Good god, I'll never touch broccoli again! Had a bowl of some last month and I felt like I was going to die all that night. My body wanted to go to sleep so very badly, but it was trapped on the john, feeling every single one of those demonic little florets slowly and painfully rasping it's way throughout my intestinal tract.
 
2014-02-11 01:47:09 AM  

fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.


Yeah.  Food deserts exist because the stores sell what people buy.

ReapTheChaos: I've been seeing these "lets end food deserts" ads on TV quite a bit and I've been wondering where exactly are the grocery store that don't sell vegetables? I've been to stores in some pretty poor neighborhoods and I've never seen one that didn't. Even if their selection of fresh produce was limited, they always have frozen, which for most vegetables is just as healthy as fresh.

The problem isn't access to healthy food, it's getting people to change their habits. If you didn't grow up eating vegetables and healthy food then your not likely to do it as an adult.


Not only that, but we have found that we can get the best deals on produce in the poorer areas.  You have to look them over a bit more than in the more expensive places but generally we get a lot more for our $ that way.  (We aren't going into any bad areas to do this, just working-class areas with heavy food stamp use.)

ReapTheChaos: When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.


Agreed.  Some simpler stuff will be on the cheap menus but that's about it.
 
2014-02-11 01:47:19 AM  

doglover: baconbeard: You can buy healthy food for reasonable prices in Tokyo supermarkets; perhaps not carrots (or melons), but seasonable vegetables, fish, etc.

Yeah, but factored into that reasonable price is the Japanese family unit.

Dad works at work, mom works at home. He makes the money, she spends it.

You need 48 hours in one 24 hour day to make the economics work out.

On your own, it's a push. All your meals come from fast food anyway because you're at work and that's all there is.


OK, but none of those reasons are really related to poverty, which is what this thread is about.
 
2014-02-11 01:49:27 AM  

This text is now purple: DocTravesty: You do understand that we're already spending money to make the corn, beef and wheat that went into the Big Mac cheaper? He's suggesting shifting the existing subsidies to different, healthier foods.

Most of the price of beef is really a reflection of the price of corn and wheat.

You can't make food cheap while making beef expensive. Short of murdering millions of cows and letting the carcasses fester. Last time we did that, you called it a genocide.


Pretty sure that was shooting bison from rail cars and the gilded age so it would seem about right.

/the ultimate prey is next

//Long pig
 
2014-02-11 01:49:59 AM  

baconbeard: It's all about priorities. People simply don't make a healthy lifestyle a priority. It's more fun and interesting to spend a couple hours a day reading Facebook (or your favourite "Fat Acceptance" blog) than it is to prepare healthy meals and get regular exercise. So when people say "I don't have time", what they usually mean is "it's a lower priority than Candy Crush Saga".


You're thinking of Sally and Steve Suburban. TFA is about the *poor.*

If I'm wrong about that, see my response to elysive. Smug/oil/nothing.
 
2014-02-11 01:51:28 AM  

TV's Vinnie: The reason why is that in fresh produce, you find a dead frog.


Not really. I had a live frog in a bag of lettuce one time.
 
2014-02-11 01:52:03 AM  

elysive: Notabunny: ReapTheChaos: I know anecdotal evidence is flimsy, but I work in downtown Stockton, CA. and I'm willing to make a bet. Let's stand on the steps of City Hall, and I'll give you an hour to walk to a store and buy lettuce, carrots, potatoes, bananas, apples, a gallon of milk, and then walk back. I know that within 20 minutes you can get a payday loan and buy a fifth of Jack, but that's a different bet.

In downtown Chicago, you could get the apples, bananas, carrots and milk in less than ten minutes thanks to the wide selection of fresh food at Walgreens and 7-11. Could probably get eggs and a pre-made salad too.


Even ruling out Walgreens and 7-11, there are 7 major groceries within 15 minutes walking distance of Chicago City Hall -- two Jewels, a Graziano's, two Mariano's, and two Trader Joe's.
 
2014-02-11 01:52:33 AM  

Notabunny: meat0918: meat0918: Notabunny: meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.

Thanks for your post. What would you and your wife think of using schools as food distribution and cooking education sites? The infrastructure is in place. The expense would be minimal. The benefits would be enormous.

They already are using our two of the Title I schools as food distribution sites. :)

That's a good idea on cooking ed sites.  I wonder if it is in the works actually.

Clicked submit too fast.

It's from the food bank, and it's all fresh produce.  The country administers the program.

Sounds like you guys have it going on! Have you reached out to other agencies and/or administrations to show them what you're doing?


We can't take credit for that, but we're involved in other projects, and those that did do those programs are very proactive in showing others how to do this inexpensively.  I'm just manual labor at one.

We're lucky though, we have a lot of farms nearby, and even a new grain mill someone started because farmers didn't grow wheat in part because the cost of shipping the grain to the mills was too great.  The farmer's used to grow lawn grass seed until it became illegal to burn their fields after harvest (long story, we had serious air quality issues).  The school district gets most of its flour from the new mill

A lot of things have just been clicking lately in our city and county.  It's freaky.
 
2014-02-11 01:53:17 AM  

ReapTheChaos: I've been seeing these "lets end food deserts" ads on TV quite a bit and I've been wondering where exactly are the grocery store that don't sell vegetables? I've been to stores in some pretty poor neighborhoods and I've never seen one that didn't. Even if their selection of fresh produce was limited, they always have frozen, which for most vegetables is just as healthy as fresh.

The problem isn't access to healthy food, it's getting people to change their habits. If you didn't grow up eating vegetables and healthy food then your not likely to do it as an adult.


I have a feeling your idea of a poor neighborhood is one were everybody has 10 year old cars. Because if you had ever been to the poor areas that they are calling food deserts you would know that there aren't any grocery stores in the area. The places where people in those areas buy food are either the corner liquor store that has a section or two that has some grocery items, usually past or nearing expiration, or fast food places. People in these areas are limited because they don't have transportation to get to a real grocery store besides public transportation, and that could take them a few hours to get to the store and back.
 
2014-02-11 01:54:11 AM  

Oldiron_79: TwowheelinTim: Oldiron_79: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, the "food desert" is the progressives' version of the knockout game, right?

Pretty much

So you're saying progressives created food deserts to hurt people for fun and games? This analogy seems a bit awkward to me. Would you mind explaining?

Saying its about 99.99999999999999% made up bullshiat to make the"other side" look like monsters.


Your numbered statistic seems a bit extreme. Do you have any studies to back it up?
 
2014-02-11 01:55:02 AM  

baconbeard: OK, but none of those reasons are really related to poverty,


I would say those reasons are pretty much directly related to poverty. Ain't no women marryin' no poor nyugahz up in here. You gots to have to bank. Bank you can't get by cooking at home because A: No time. B: It's literally more expensive.
 
2014-02-11 01:55:48 AM  

proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.


I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.
 
2014-02-11 01:57:47 AM  

Notabunny: proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.

I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.


Sounds like a lot of work. What's in it for me?
 
2014-02-11 02:00:23 AM  

meat0918: We can't take credit for that, but we're involved in other projects, and those that did do those programs are very proactive in showing others how to do this inexpensively.  I'm just manual labor at one.


Every paddle in the water helps the boat move foreword. You two get credit.
 
2014-02-11 02:06:15 AM  

brimed03: elysive: doglover: It's not a matter of know, it's a matter of when you work three jobs, you don't have time to shop or cook..

I believe that excuse as much as I believe the "I don't have time for exercise" excuse, spoken after telling me about last night's reality show du jour or trip to the pub. It really is cheaper to cook, so maybe the hypothetical person working three jobs could work fewer hours if he/she streamlined the family food budget.

When I lived on my own and ate out every day, my food budget matched my current household's food budget (multiple people, food cooked from scratch, fancy ingredients like fresh seafood).

Wow. They should drill the depths of your smugness for oil.

Elysive, you know nothing.

I'm sorry you dont approve. Or wait, the opposite of that. I have nothing against poor people who dont cook or out of shape people who dont exercise. They probably are enmeshed in very difficult circumstances which make charges hard. I just dont buy the excuses (which may be valid explanations for a rare few, like those poor Americans living in food deserts in Japan, but are otherwise excuses). You help no one by enabling self defeating behaviors and delusional thinking.

If you truly believe these people cant cook (because of time or whatever other factors), then there's not much hope for poor people left in this topic. I guess they're just stuck eating what fast food restaurants choose to sell them on the cheap.
 
2014-02-11 02:07:36 AM  

brimed03: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

Your newsletter. Do you take subscriptions?


Apparently facebook loves this idea
 
2014-02-11 02:12:14 AM  

fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.


I agree. However there are plenty of poor people in America who know how to cook.

I've had the privilege of living and working all across the country. Consequently I've seen how poor Asian immigrants, poor Mexican immigrants, poor Korean graduate students, poor native Americans, poor white residents of Appalachia and the mid-west and poor black residents of inner cities live and eat. Call it stereotyping, but there are definite patterns associated with the various cultures when it comes to food and personal responsibility. To put it bluntly, poor urban black communities need to get their shiat together when it comes to health. Native Americans and white folks too, but especially the urban black communities.

That said, for many it doesn't matter what you subsidize. Some people are going to eat crap because that's what they want to eat.
 
2014-02-11 02:12:16 AM  

ongbok: I have a feeling your idea of a poor neighborhood is one were everybody has 10 year old cars. Because if you had ever been to the poor areas that they are calling food deserts you would know that there aren't any grocery stores in the area. The places where people in those areas buy food are either the corner liquor store that has a section or two that has some grocery items, usually past or nearing expiration, or fast food places. People in these areas are limited because they don't have transportation to get to a real grocery store besides public transportation, and that could take them a few hours to get to the store and back.


The oddest detail is that those same people will turn around a fight the installation of a grocery store.
 
2014-02-11 02:12:37 AM  

ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.

The only people I've ever seen ordering off the dollar menu are college students counting change from their ash tray after the bars close.


And when did you last spend time in a fast food joint in a poor area? In a food desert? In, to be un-pc, the ghetto? Or is it more likely that the last time you found yourself in the ghetto, you locked the car doors and sped up a little to get out that much more quickly?

I have spent time in those places. Yeah, they're ordering from the dollar menu. And, sometimes, looking around to see if they can hit up anyone for change to round out the dollar.
 
2014-02-11 02:16:49 AM  

baconbeard: Notabunny: proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.

I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.

Sounds like a lot of work. What's in it for me?


Actually, I think the amount of work required will be minimal and inexpensive. But, I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria. And don't even get me started on the papas y rojas burritos con no pales and polenta. Mmm... mmm... good!
 
2014-02-11 02:17:17 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: If they did, they'd probably develop eating habits very similar to the poor in the US -

 fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

Granted, this is anecdotal, but in most countries I've been in outside of the USA and especially 2 of the 3 I've lived in (Morocco and currently Thailand), the price of fast food franchise food is often more expensive than the local street food, and the street food is usually much more nutritious and tasty. And, especially here in Thailand, the "dirt poor" are extremely poor, but the local food is usually cheap enough for people to afford reasonable healthy meals.

In places like here in Thailand and in Japan (where I've also lived), eating at places like MacDonald's was often more about being trendy than convenient or cheap.

Yeah, the super-impoverished nations and even many regions of developing nations don't have a MacD's around every other corner, but in my experience, at least some of the ones that do don't fit your generalization. Granted they are good at it in the States, but less so in other parts of the world, especially if they have to compete with local food prices already being extremely cheap just so many people can afford to eat.
 
2014-02-11 02:18:16 AM  

albatros183: "...but it has to be combined with education on how to prepare the stuff and why it's important to do so...."

So the urban peasant should be mandatory for all people ?


Fess up. Are you drinking? 'cause you're having a lot of problems with coherent posts.

/hey, it's Fark. Of course you're drinking.
 
2014-02-11 02:18:34 AM  

This text is now purple: ongbok: I have a feeling your idea of a poor neighborhood is one were everybody has 10 year old cars. Because if you had ever been to the poor areas that they are calling food deserts you would know that there aren't any grocery stores in the area. The places where people in those areas buy food are either the corner liquor store that has a section or two that has some grocery items, usually past or nearing expiration, or fast food places. People in these areas are limited because they don't have transportation to get to a real grocery store besides public transportation, and that could take them a few hours to get to the store and back.

The oddest detail is that those same people will turn around a fight the installation of a grocery store.


For decades in a lot of those areas you couldn't get the financing from a bank to open a grocery store in those neighborhoods, and the neighborhoods that wanted grocery stores couldn't get the big chains to open one there. In fact the in Chicago the only time I ever saw the local politicians and people fight the opening of a grocery store was when Walmart wanted to open a store. And that was because they didn't want the Walmart, they wanted a Jewel or Dominics food store instead.
 
2014-02-11 02:22:50 AM  

Notabunny: I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria.


Who is this for? And why a school cafeteria? And do I even have to ask why it's vegetarian? Chicken is a wonderful source of everything and cheaper than focaccciaccaia-whatever that is.
 
2014-02-11 02:22:54 AM  

doglover: brimed03: Not having to know how to cook is a luxury for the rich only.

But living in an apartment with a kitchen is also a luxury.

I stopped cooking years ago because all I have is a single hot plat and a tiny sink. What the hell can I make without even space to cut the veggies?


From what I've read about Tokyo, living in an apartment that is more than just a sleeping tube is a luxury.

/you could grow hydroponic hanging-plant tomatoes and eat them off the vine.
//for a limited time we'll send you not one but TWO hydroponic hanging plants for no additional cost!
 
2014-02-11 02:22:58 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I'll be honest, I was about to call you an asshole for not cooking with the microwave bit.  I'm a single dad too but nowhere near your level of suck.


My friend tells me you are insulting me with this comment.
 
2014-02-11 02:28:08 AM  

Oldiron_79: TwowheelinTim: Oldiron_79: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, the "food desert" is the progressives' version of the knockout game, right?

Pretty much

So you're saying progressives created food deserts to hurt people for fun and games? This analogy seems a bit awkward to me. Would you mind explaining?

Saying its about 99.99999999999999% made up bullshiat to make the"other side" look like monsters.


Still not following you.

What's made up? By whom? To make who look like monsters?

/are we having a tin-foil hat moment here?
 
2014-02-11 02:30:38 AM  

proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.


1/10
 
2014-02-11 02:35:40 AM  

proteus_b: TV's Vinnie: The reason why is that in fresh produce, you find a dead frog.

Not really. I had a live frog in a bag of lettuce one time.


So YOU'RE the one who stole my prototype Soft Terrarium (tm)!

/don't eat little McRibbit please
 
2014-02-11 02:38:36 AM  

doglover: baconbeard: OK, but none of those reasons are really related to poverty,

I would say those reasons are pretty much directly related to poverty. Ain't no women marryin' no poor nyugahz up in here. You gots to have to bank. Bank you can't get by cooking at home because A: No time. B: It's literally more expensive.


Well, let's be honest: your personality has a lot to do with it, too.
 
2014-02-11 02:40:25 AM  

doglover: Notabunny: I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria.

Who is this for? And why a school cafeteria? And do I even have to ask why it's vegetarian? Chicken is a wonderful source of everything and cheaper than focaccciaccaia-whatever that is.


Well, my bet was with baconbeard, the dishes are vegetarian because access to fresh produce was the point of the conversation, school cafeterias were chosen because the infrastructure is in place, and focaccia is a yummy bread made doubleplustasty when toasted with olive oil and pesto.
 
2014-02-11 02:42:33 AM  

brimed03: Well, let's be honest: your personality has a lot to do with it, too.


Not as much as you'd think.

Honest, I'm not half as godawful off fark.
 
2014-02-11 02:43:17 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Might have something to do with taste. Veggies are mostly blech, while meat and cheese and a deep fryer are tasty, tasty.

You'd have to rewire brains to make broccoli and cabbage taste as good as a cheeseburger. With bacon.

[www.rawfoodlife.com image 360x262]


You have to know how to cook them right, in order to make vegetables more appealing.

You might even save some money by making a meal that uses little meat and more vegetables. The juices from the meat can serve to marinate greens, and make them just as good.

/Broccoli and onions are great for that
//Mushrooms too
///And actually, mushrooms can help use even less meat
 
2014-02-11 02:43:29 AM  

Notabunny: proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.

I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.


See, now that's just lib-tard talk right there.

/no sense arguing with the Extremist Brigade; just ignore them while they mutter their way into obsolesence.
//do they have to be completely vegetarian meals? thinkofthechildren.jpg!
///:) Slashies three and a smile for thee. Or, a smiley with a turban.
 
2014-02-11 02:47:28 AM  

albuquerquehalsey: White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.
They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.
It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.
A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the 'whiter' option. "Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years." White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.
But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.


That is either the most sublime troll argument to have born out of the depths of /b/, or is the most awful comment from the Storm Front forums.
 
2014-02-11 02:51:31 AM  

elysive: brimed03: elysive: doglover: It's not a matter of know, it's a matter of when you work three jobs, you don't have time to shop or cook..

I believe that excuse as much as I believe the "I don't have time for exercise" excuse, spoken after telling me about last night's reality show du jour or trip to the pub. It really is cheaper to cook, so maybe the hypothetical person working three jobs could work fewer hours if he/she streamlined the family food budget.

When I lived on my own and ate out every day, my food budget matched my current household's food budget (multiple people, food cooked from scratch, fancy ingredients like fresh seafood).

Wow. They should drill the depths of your smugness for oil.

Elysive, you know nothing.I'm sorry you dont approve. Or wait, the opposite of that. I have nothing against poor people who dont cook or out of shape people who dont exercise. They probably are enmeshed in very difficult circumstances which make charges hard. I just dont buy the excuses (which may be valid explanations for a rare few, like those poor Americans living in food deserts in Japan, but are otherwise excuses). You help no one by enabling self defeating behaviors and delusional thinking.

If you truly believe these people cant cook (because of time or whatever other factors), then there's not much hope for poor people left in this topic. I guess they're just stuck eating what fast food restaurants choose to sell them on the cheap.


Until very recently, and extending back for years, there was ONE food supermarket in the entire city of Newark, NJ.

ONE.

I should know, I shopped there semi-regularly. Thankfully, I had a car, because there were no train lines nearby. No car? You carried what you could on the bus. Assuming you had the time to take a bus from across the city.

I bet you smirked at your own cleverness when you wrote "those poor Americans living in food deserts in Japan."

You truly know nothing.
 
2014-02-11 02:52:37 AM  

Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99


I think 2000 calories of salad could kill a person.
 
2014-02-11 02:53:29 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: brimed03: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

Your newsletter. Do you take subscriptions?

Apparently facebook loves this idea


It's the new "It'll be a great day when education is fully funded and the Pentagon has to hold a bake sale for a new B-52."
 
2014-02-11 02:54:10 AM  

baconbeard: Up until now, I always read it as "food desserts" and had no idea what anyone was talking about.


Quite an appropriate comment from someone whose username is BaconBeard.
 
2014-02-11 02:55:07 AM  

Notabunny: Well, my bet was with baconbeard, the dishes are vegetarian because access to fresh produce was the point of the conversation, school cafeterias were chosen because the infrastructure is in place, and focaccia is a yummy bread made doubleplustasty when toasted with olive oil and pesto.


Vegetarian is more expensive than just "with vegetables" school are not set up to double as soup kitchens, and many lawmakers oppose the free lunch philosophically, not just financially.

I think the best idea was to change the subsidies. We pay a TON to cattle people when really we shouldn't. We need more apples, carrots, and aspa- actually no. No asparagus. That shiat stinks.
 
2014-02-11 02:56:45 AM  

Enigmamf: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I think 2000 calories of salad could kill a person.


I remember the time I ate waaaay too much split pea soup. I thought I'd never get out of the bathroom alive.
 
2014-02-11 02:57:55 AM  

This text is now purple: ongbok: I have a feeling your idea of a poor neighborhood is one were everybody has 10 year old cars. Because if you had ever been to the poor areas that they are calling food deserts you would know that there aren't any grocery stores in the area. The places where people in those areas buy food are either the corner liquor store that has a section or two that has some grocery items, usually past or nearing expiration, or fast food places. People in these areas are limited because they don't have transportation to get to a real grocery store besides public transportation, and that could take them a few hours to get to the store and back.

The oddest detail is that those same people will turn around a fight the installation of a grocery store.


Citation needed.

Seriously. I've lived by those areas and the residents were clamoring, crying for a supermarket.

/"those people?"
//teasing
///the all new iSlash
 
2014-02-11 02:58:31 AM  

doglover: Notabunny: Well, my bet was with baconbeard, the dishes are vegetarian because access to fresh produce was the point of the conversation, school cafeterias were chosen because the infrastructure is in place, and focaccia is a yummy bread made doubleplustasty when toasted with olive oil and pesto.

Vegetarian is more expensive than just "with vegetables" school are not set up to double as soup kitchens, and many lawmakers oppose the free lunch philosophically, not just financially.

I think the best idea was to change the subsidies. We pay a TON to cattle people when really we shouldn't. We need more apples, carrots, and aspa- actually no. No asparagus. That shiat stinks.


I'm pretty sure we're in agreement.
 
2014-02-11 03:02:01 AM  

Notabunny: doglover: Notabunny: Well, my bet was with baconbeard, the dishes are vegetarian because access to fresh produce was the point of the conversation, school cafeterias were chosen because the infrastructure is in place, and focaccia is a yummy bread made doubleplustasty when toasted with olive oil and pesto.

Vegetarian is more expensive than just "with vegetables" school are not set up to double as soup kitchens, and many lawmakers oppose the free lunch philosophically, not just financially.

I think the best idea was to change the subsidies. We pay a TON to cattle people when really we shouldn't. We need more apples, carrots, and aspa- actually no. No asparagus. That shiat stinks.

I'm pretty sure we're in agreement.


We are, but I just didn't know what pucuca- bread-sicks were.
 
2014-02-11 03:04:24 AM  

Notabunny: baconbeard: Notabunny: proteus_b: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.

I'm game, let's try. Let's provide free vegetarian breakfasts, lunches and dinners to all students and their families, and provide free take-home bags of fresh fruits and veggies. Let's utilize school cafeterias as food distribution and cooking education sites. Let's try it for 10 years or so, and see what happens.

Sounds like a lot of work. What's in it for me?

Actually, I think the amount of work required will be minimal and inexpensive. But, I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria. And don't even get me started on the papas y rojas burritos con no pales and polenta. Mmm... mmm... good!


Gorrammit, stop trying to make me approve of vegetarianism with your delicious-sounding menus!

/Costco sells pounds of bacon in four-packs. Mmmmmmmm.
 
2014-02-11 03:09:47 AM  
Sorry salad

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2014-02-11 03:11:22 AM  

mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: If they did, they'd probably develop eating habits very similar to the poor in the US - fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

Granted, this is anecdotal, but in most countries I've been in outside of the USA and especially 2 of the 3 I've lived in (Morocco and currently Thailand), the price of fast food franchise food is often more expensive than the local street food, and the street food is usually much more nutritious and tasty. And, especially here in Thailand, the "dirt poor" are extremely poor, but the local food is usually cheap enough for people to afford reasonable healthy meals.

In places like here in Thailand and in Japan (where I've also lived), eating at places like MacDonald's was often more about being trendy than convenient or cheap.

Yeah, the super-impoverished nations and even many regions of developing nations don't have a MacD's around every other corner, but in my experience, at least some of the ones that do don't fit your generalization. Granted they are good at it in the States, but less so in other parts of the world, especially if they have to compete with local food prices already being extremely cheap just so many people can afford to eat.


The food economies if those countries aren't massively imbalanced by government subsidies for a handful of powerful segments. Hence, fast food costs what it should.

Also, by the sound of it, the overall economies aren't so farked that people haven't the time to cook because they have to work three jobs.

Aaand: in a food desert, there's no such thing as "local food." No supermarkets, and no one's delivering to mom-and-pop restaurants in the ghetto... which is why mom-and-pop restaurants don't exist in the ghetto.
 
2014-02-11 03:15:11 AM  

doglover: Notabunny: I will bet a spinach and zucchini frittata breakfast, a lentil soup with a walnut and cranberry salad lunch, and a dinner of pasta with asparagus and prosciutto and some toasted focaccia with olive oil and pesto for dinner. All cheap. All easily prepared in a school cafeteria.

Who is this for? And why a school cafeteria? And do I even have to ask why it's vegetarian? Chicken is a wonderful source of everything and cheaper than focaccciaccaia-whatever that is.


LOL focaccia is a type of cheese. And as much as I'm teasing Notabunny about vegetarianism, if the point is to teach the kids about eating fruits and veggies instead of McChicken McNuggets, why not focus on fruits and vegetables.
 
2014-02-11 03:16:53 AM  
Ya know, until I was too poor to know if I was going to even eat I never gave serious thought to what I ate. I knew it was "bad" but I never cared.

After not eating for three days, I thought I might as well eat as healthy as I could, even if for only one meal. I LOVE healthy food now. Even if it doesn't titillates my taste buds like fast food all the time, I'm okay with that.

The coolest part is that its just brain programming keeping you eating that stuff. Like a drug addict needing more, harder and faster, fast food floods your senses and gives you what you want and crave. Get off the stuff and suddenly its way better than you remember, or its unbearably sweet/ salty/ etc. The brain is so awesome, huh?

Want to get healthy, truly want, and you'll make it. Im in the middle of a food desert and im poor, but ill be damned if i dont try.

Ill chalk the failure of healthy fast food options failing to both a fundamental misunderstanding of the human (as the free market is wont to do) or a meaningless attempt to look like you care.

/scrambled eggs and jowl bacon is healthy to me
//I need to go to bed so I can more quickly get to cooking
 
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