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2014-02-11 01:04:41 AM
When your life is shiat, sometimes you turn to things to make you feel better.

Sometimes people turn to drink, it helps them get by when their lives are crap.

Sometimes people turn to drugs, it helps them escape the reality that their lives are crap.

Sometimes people turn to food, it gives them something to look forward to when everything is shiat.

I don't know why when people talk about poverty and nutrition they don't bring up this last point. Do they just want to pretend that people aren't addicted to shiatty food? Are we going to pretend that shiatty food doesn't press all the buttons in our little monkey brains that make us want more of it? Are we going to ignore that when you're poor as fark, probably the only "treat" you can give yourself is junk food?

I really don't get why no one wants to talk about it. It's farking obvious. Being poor sucks.
 
2014-02-11 01:05:04 AM

Corvus: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

We also need programs that reach out to these neighborhoods to teach people how to cook and eat better.


And how to get transportation to places that sell those foods that are long distance from where they live.

/Hint that is a food desert. No Aldi's or even a Piggly Wggly there.
 
2014-02-11 01:05:19 AM

ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.


This. We stopped going to McDonalds because the cost to feed a family of 4 was fast approaching the cost of decent meals at a sit-down restaurant.
 
2014-02-11 01:05:23 AM

doglover: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fast food places aren't in the business of making people healthy.

I can't smoke stogies in the maternity ward, even if one of the kids is allegedly mine, and you're tellin' me we can't pass a law where you have to provide apples to keep your vendor's license in city limits?


Hey, if that was on a referendum I'd vote for it.

The sad truth is that until fresh green veggies are less expensive calorie for calorie than corn and grains (until agribusiness subsidies are reserved) we aren't going to see much of a change.
 
2014-02-11 01:05:27 AM

TuteTibiImperes: elysive: Notabunny: ReapTheChaos: I've been seeing these "lets end food deserts" ads on TV quite a bit and I've been wondering where exactly are the grocery store that don't sell vegetables? I've been to stores in some pretty poor neighborhoods and I've never seen one that didn't. Even if their selection of fresh produce was limited, they always have frozen, which for most vegetables is just as healthy as fresh.

The problem isn't access to healthy food, it's getting people to change their habits. If you didn't grow up eating vegetables and healthy food then your not likely to do it as an adult.

I know anecdotal evidence is flimsy, but I work in downtown Stockton, CA. and I'm willing to make a bet. Let's stand on the steps of City Hall, and I'll give you an hour to walk to a store and buy lettuce, carrots, potatoes, bananas, apples, a gallon of milk, and then walk back. I know that within 20 minutes you can get a payday loan and buy a fifth of Jack, but that's a different bet.

In downtown Chicago, you could get the apples, bananas, carrots and milk in less than ten minutes thanks to the wide selection of fresh food at Walgreens and 7-11. Could probably get eggs and a pre-made salad too.

At 7-11 a smallish salad is $4.  For that same $4 you could buy 4 big-ass microwave burritos at the same store, or 4 double cheeseburgers at McDonalds.

Crap food is just plain cheaper, and for those who are living in poverty, the math often doesn't add up.


I thought the OP was challenging the availability of fresh ingredients around city hall (zomg!) type inner cities. I listed salad as an afterthought 1) because they are spendy and I'd never buy it pre made at a convenience store or any store, and 2) I dont think it honestly satisfies the demand to purchase a head of lettuce. It is true you can get salads pretty much anywhere though along with pure, unadulturated produce like fruit. The fruit and baggies of carrots at those places arent so much more expensive than you would find at a grocery store (sans sale).

If people truly wanted to lose weight, reduce their caloric intake or access veggies, it's not necessarily an issue of accessibility. It's education, habit, resource allocation/setting priorities etc. All of this post is additionally pretending that the majority of poor people are restricted to buying their groceries at Walgreens or 7-11.
 
2014-02-11 01:06:28 AM

WhoGAS: Two kids, single dad, paying alimony but get no child support...


Here's another social issue that could be tackled pretty damn easily.
 
2014-02-11 01:08:05 AM
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So this is the guy running the program?

He's a picture of health isn't he?
 
2014-02-11 01:09:16 AM

WhoGAS: It's not money, it's education.

I try to provide my kids with fresh foods but when I'm out of money, I can only provide what I can.

HOWEVER, that is not McDonald's.  I keep rice and dried vegetables for emergencies (yeah, it's not delicious but it's survivable) and I never cook with a microwave.  There are foods we can get inexpensively and retrieve the benefits.

The dried veggie packs from those noodle bowls go great with rice, ground turkey and some frozen peas and carrots in a rice cooker.

Noodles without the flavor packs go great with the $5.00 breaded chicken breasts and frozen peas and carrots.

So many poor recipes I can share.  (Two kids, single dad, paying alimony but get no child support...)

Yeah, it's not fresh, but at least it's not McDonald's.


I'll be honest, I was about to call you an asshole for not cooking with the microwave bit.  I'm a single dad too but nowhere near your level of suck.  shiat man... We should share recipes.  I'm guilty of the microwave chicken nuggets but man the boy went nuts for the rice and chicken vindaloo I made.  Frozen veggies go a long way, get some spinach and some spices and some of that rice paper stuff and make some southwest eggrolls.  Luckily the boy loves green beans straight outta the can.
 
2014-02-11 01:10:24 AM
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2014-02-11 01:11:43 AM

meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.


Thanks for your post. What would you and your wife think of using schools as food distribution and cooking education sites? The infrastructure is in place. The expense would be minimal. The benefits would be enormous.
 
2014-02-11 01:11:54 AM

meat0918: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Nah, Britain and Canada too.


Price inflation couples with wage stagnation. The poor, already Just Getting By, now can't afford basic groceries. Theft occurs because the kids gotta eat (see also: The Grapes of Wrath) and corporate supermarkets pull out. Urban "food deserts" are populated by oases of fast food restaurants. The poor find themselves in a new world detached from old, kitchen-based concepts of creating nutritional value and devoid of new guideposts in the fast food places. An entire generation later, a monumental effort by some legislators provides a feeble requirement of posting caloric values. Meaningless to the poor who are not provided with any educational context for healthy eating-- no, not even in the schools.

And then we're surprised or, sadly, smug, when the poor don't choose the chef salad over the Whopper.
 
2014-02-11 01:12:10 AM

doglover: elysive: When I lived on my own and ate out every day, my food budget matched my current household's food budget

Glass houses, mac.


So, because I once ate out and wasted my money (and thats probably why I stayed poor), I cant point out that cooking is significantly cheaper?

Man, it kills me to think back to what I could have done with several extra hundred dollars in my pocket every month. The worst part is that is actually enjoy cooking.
 
2014-02-11 01:13:55 AM
Supply side economics.  It isn't just for right wingers.

/also see bullet trains
 
2014-02-11 01:16:35 AM

albuquerquehalsey: White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.
They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.
It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.
A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the 'whiter' option. "Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years." White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.
But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.


Where's that from? I want to know for the next time I need to buy cleverly-written manure for my garden.

/doesn't really have a garden
//better at caring for things that'll let me know if I forget to feed or water them
///slashies in threes, hold the peas
 
2014-02-11 01:17:36 AM
Just wait until the poor start trying to eat the rich. Waddling fat people chasing shuffling old people - from a rooftop it'll look like a zombie movie played in reverse.

/Day of the Fed.
 
2014-02-11 01:18:14 AM

Plant Rights Activist: shtychkn: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

Its a testament to how well off America really is.

more like a testament to how farked up our ag subsidies are


Which is the fault of those durn plants rights activists.

*glances at username*

Oh. How embarrassing.

/teasing!
 
2014-02-11 01:18:22 AM

Notabunny: meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.

Thanks for your post. What would you and your wife think of using schools as food distribution and cooking education sites? The infrastructure is in place. The expense would be minimal. The benefits would be enormous.


They already are using our two of the Title I schools as food distribution sites. :)

That's a good idea on cooking ed sites.  I wonder if it is in the works actually.
 
2014-02-11 01:19:30 AM

meat0918: Notabunny: meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.

Thanks for your post. What would you and your wife think of using schools as food distribution and cooking education sites? The infrastructure is in place. The expense would be minimal. The benefits would be enormous.

They already are using our two of the Title I schools as food distribution sites. :)

That's a good idea on cooking ed sites.  I wonder if it is in the works actually.


Clicked submit too fast.

It's from the food bank, and it's all fresh produce.  The country administers the program.
 
2014-02-11 01:19:33 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I'll be honest, I was about to call you an asshole for not cooking with the microwave bit.  I'm a single dad too but nowhere near your level of suck.  shiat man... We should share recipes.  I'm guilty of the microwave chicken nuggets but man the boy went nuts for the rice and chicken vindaloo I made.  Frozen veggies go a long way, get some spinach and some spices and some of that rice paper stuff and make some southwest eggrolls.  Luckily the boy loves green beans straight outta the can.


Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you're not a good parent if you didn't, I only use that as an example for people who whine about being single parents and not having time.

Wait, Southwest Eggrolls?  I haven't even thought about those.

You gotta email me...switch some recipes.

Oh, shiat.  Does this mean we're gay now?  Well, if we are, any hot women want to come join us?  You know, I doubt you can convert us while we're swapping recipes and crap, but I guess you can try.  Sheesh.
 
2014-02-11 01:20:03 AM

Oldiron_79: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, the "food desert" is the progressives' version of the knockout game, right?

Pretty much


So you're saying progressives created food deserts to hurt people for fun and games? This analogy seems a bit awkward to me. Would you mind explaining?
 
2014-02-11 01:20:28 AM

ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.


Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.
 
2014-02-11 01:21:45 AM

Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99


Your newsletter. Do you take subscriptions?
 
2014-02-11 01:21:54 AM
Up until now, I always read it as "food desserts" and had no idea what anyone was talking about.
 
2014-02-11 01:23:57 AM

meat0918: meat0918: Notabunny: meat0918: Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99

I'd be ok with fixing this.

Thanks for your post. What would you and your wife think of using schools as food distribution and cooking education sites? The infrastructure is in place. The expense would be minimal. The benefits would be enormous.

They already are using our two of the Title I schools as food distribution sites. :)

That's a good idea on cooking ed sites.  I wonder if it is in the works actually.

Clicked submit too fast.

It's from the food bank, and it's all fresh produce.  The country administers the program.


Sounds like you guys have it going on! Have you reached out to other agencies and/or administrations to show them what you're doing?
 
2014-02-11 01:24:20 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.


Very true.

Feed = feel well-fed, full tummy and non-complaining children. Nutrition optional.
 
2014-02-11 01:27:18 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.


This doesn't explain the association between obesity and poverty. I don't care where you eat: you ain't gonna get fat by eating a single item off the dollar menu three times a day.
 
2014-02-11 01:28:37 AM

ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.


Same here.  I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

I made pasta bolognese the other night (with garlic bread and spinach salad), and it probably worked out to about $2.50 per person.  $3 if you count the wine (Naked Grape in a box).
 
2014-02-11 01:28:51 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.


The only people I've ever seen ordering off the dollar menu are college students counting change from their ash tray after the bars close.
 
2014-02-11 01:30:34 AM

elysive: so maybe the hypothetical person working three jobs could work fewer hours if he/she streamlined the family food budget.


Those kinds of minimum wage, unskilled labor type jobs generally don't allow people to set their own schedules as they see fit. It's usually more along the lines of, "These are the hours we need you for, either work them or we'll just find some other desperate person who will".
 
2014-02-11 01:30:55 AM

elysive: Notabunny: ReapTheChaos: I've been seeing these "lets end food deserts" ads on TV quite a bit and I've been wondering where exactly are the grocery store that don't sell vegetables? I've been to stores in some pretty poor neighborhoods and I've never seen one that didn't. Even if their selection of fresh produce was limited, they always have frozen, which for most vegetables is just as healthy as fresh.

The problem isn't access to healthy food, it's getting people to change their habits. If you didn't grow up eating vegetables and healthy food then your not likely to do it as an adult.

I know anecdotal evidence is flimsy, but I work in downtown Stockton, CA. and I'm willing to make a bet. Let's stand on the steps of City Hall, and I'll give you an hour to walk to a store and buy lettuce, carrots, potatoes, bananas, apples, a gallon of milk, and then walk back. I know that within 20 minutes you can get a payday loan and buy a fifth of Jack, but that's a different bet.

In downtown Chicago, you could get the apples, bananas, carrots and milk in less than ten minutes thanks to the wide selection of fresh food at Walgreens and 7-11. Could probably get eggs and a pre-made salad too.


Not in Newark, NJ. Not in the western half of Baltimore, MD. Plenty of corner liquor stores in both, though. And in Baltimore, "Big Boyz Bail Bonds" pens are considered standard souvenirs for locals and tourists alike.
 
2014-02-11 01:31:59 AM
since fresh fruit can only be traded of rotting vegetables this is no surprise.
 
2014-02-11 01:32:10 AM

Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."


Where I live two carrots is one dollar.
 
2014-02-11 01:32:34 AM
since fresh fruit can only be traded for rotting vegetables this is no surprise.
 
2014-02-11 01:34:26 AM

doglover: Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

Where I live two carrots is one dollar.


Where do you live???? Tokyo???
 
2014-02-11 01:35:24 AM
I thought people where kidding when they compared the fark beta to the slashdot beta, I was wrong.
Ick

/this beta sucks go back to original Fark
 
2014-02-11 01:36:15 AM

baconbeard: doglover: Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

Where I live two carrots is one dollar.

Where do you live???? Tokyo???


Yeah.

But Matsuya has a bowl of beef and rice with a salad and raw egg for less than 500 yen ($5ish)
 
2014-02-11 01:36:45 AM

TuteTibiImperes: fusillade762: But more than that, he says, many people, particularly in low-income food deserts, just aren't used to buying or preparing healthy meals

I think only in America will you find poor people who don't know how to cook.

America is one of the few places that poor people have the luxury of not having to know how to cook.  In most of the world the destitute don't have a McDonalds, KFC, and Little Caesars around the block.  If they did, they'd probably develop eating habits very similar to the poor in the US - fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

Providing access to healthy food is an important step, but it has to be combined with education on how to prepare the stuff and why it's important to do so.  Cooking anything takes more time and effort than walking up to a counter and buying a fully prepared meal.   A single parent working two jobs while trying to raise a couple of kids doesn't have a lot of free time to play in the kitchen.

Added to that they may not even have the necessary pots, pans, utensils and pantry ingredients to turn raw foods into a tasty dinner.


I agree with all your points but the first one. Not having to know how to cook is a luxury for the rich only. For the poor, it is a link in the chain of economic slavery. Dependence on fast food means that the poor can't demand time out to shop, cook, and eat a normal meal. It makes them available to work that second or third job that the insatiable economy demands.
 
2014-02-11 01:38:06 AM

avanti: When I know I have $50 to sustain myself I will spend it on broccoli.


Potatoes might be better.

Or Guinness.
 
2014-02-11 01:38:57 AM
"...but it has to be combined with education on how to prepare the stuff and why it's important to do so...."

So the urban peasant should be mandatory for all people ?
 
2014-02-11 01:39:08 AM

doglover: Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

Where I live two carrots is one dollar.


I haven't seen prices like that since Skyrim. One gold for a damn carrot?
 
2014-02-11 01:39:16 AM

brimed03: Not having to know how to cook is a luxury for the rich only.


But living in an apartment with a kitchen is also a luxury.

I stopped cooking years ago because all I have is a single hot plat and a tiny sink. What the hell can I make without even space to cut the veggies?
 
2014-02-11 01:39:28 AM

baconbeard: TuteTibiImperes: ReapTheChaos: TuteTibiImperes: fast food places are exceptionally good at providing a lot of calories on the cheap.

When was the last time you paid attention to the price of fast food? That shiat is getting damned expensive. Most burger joints will keep their signature burger (Whopper Big Mac etc.) pretty cheap, but if you get one of the other meals you're blowing the majority of a 10 dollar bill. I wen't to Sonic last week and got a bacon cheese burger meal and a side of cheese sticks and it was $12. I can make a lot of food at home for $12.

Most of the fast food places have a dollar menu that you could feed a family of four on for just over $10.

This doesn't explain the association between obesity and poverty. I don't care where you eat: you ain't gonna get fat by eating a single item off the dollar menu three times a day.


Ramen Noodles - 25 cents per pouch
3 liter generic soda - $1 (I've noticed that no-name grocery stores in poor areas often don't even carry diet soda, and if they do they only have a couple bottles)
Mac and Cheese - $1.29 for the generic family size
Big-ass bag of Generic chips - $2
Little Debbie snack cakes - $1.29
Banquet frozen dinners - 88 cents each
Crappy frozen pizzas - $1 each
Etc.

It's not just the fast food, even when you have access to a grocery store the stuff that's the worst for you is the cheapest.
 
2014-02-11 01:39:54 AM

TwowheelinTim: Oldiron_79: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So, the "food desert" is the progressives' version of the knockout game, right?

Pretty much

So you're saying progressives created food deserts to hurt people for fun and games? This analogy seems a bit awkward to me. Would you mind explaining?


Saying its about 99.99999999999999% made up bullshiat to make the"other side" look like monsters.
 
2014-02-11 01:40:04 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: meat0918: Also, get the kids at the school some ideas on fresh foods.  Hook 'em while they're young.


You're my favorite in this thread.
 
2014-02-11 01:41:24 AM

DocTravesty: You do understand that we're already spending money to make the corn, beef and wheat that went into the Big Mac cheaper? He's suggesting shifting the existing subsidies to different, healthier foods.


Most of the price of beef is really a reflection of the price of corn and wheat.

You can't make food cheap while making beef expensive. Short of murdering millions of cows and letting the carcasses fester. Last time we did that, you called it a genocide.
 
2014-02-11 01:42:18 AM

doglover: baconbeard: doglover: Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

Where I live two carrots is one dollar.

Where do you live???? Tokyo???

Yeah.

But Matsuya has a bowl of beef and rice with a salad and raw egg for less than 500 yen ($5ish)


I don't the the price of carrots in Tokyo are particularly relevant to this discussion. You can buy healthy food for reasonable prices in Tokyo supermarkets; perhaps not carrots (or melons), but seasonable vegetables, fish, etc.
 
2014-02-11 01:42:29 AM

ReapTheChaos: doglover: Sgt Otter: Same here. I don't know what the hell people are buying at the grocery store if "fast food is cheaper."

Where I live two carrots is one dollar.

I haven't seen prices like that since Skyrim. One gold for a damn carrot?


126 for half a head of cabbage now. In the summers, it's cheaper.
 
2014-02-11 01:42:35 AM
The reason why is that in fresh produce, you find a dead frog.

In fast food, they at least have the decency to finely grind up that dead frog so you won't have to see it staring back at you with it's dead eyes.
 
2014-02-11 01:43:03 AM

Notabunny: Here's a fun idea: Let's change the way the government subsidizes food so that a Big Mac costs $8 and 2,000 calories worth of salad costs $1.99


That would take quite a bit of work. Leaves don't have a lot of calories. It's just the way it is.

No matter where you live, it's going to cost more to eat only fresh fruits and vegetables. My girlfriend recently lost some weight and is trying to keep it off by eating only fresh fruits and vegetables. It has pretty much doubled our grocery bill. We don't live in America, and we pretty much never bought any processed foods (other than pasta).

You could hand out the vegetables free of charge to some people and they won't eat them. The whole "food desert" thing is just a mirage for lib-tards to feel better about themselves for being fat.
 
2014-02-11 01:45:21 AM

baconbeard: You can buy healthy food for reasonable prices in Tokyo supermarkets; perhaps not carrots (or melons), but seasonable vegetables, fish, etc.


Yeah, but factored into that reasonable price is the Japanese family unit.

Dad works at work, mom works at home. He makes the money, she spends it.

You need 48 hours in one 24 hour day to make the economics work out.

On your own, it's a push. All your meals come from fast food anyway because you're at work and that's all there is.
 
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