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(Santa Rosa Press Democrat)   Kindasorta news: Dummies take inflatable raft down a swollen creek during a rain storm (sans life jackets) and get stuck in debris. Fark: Dumbass #1's quote: "It they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living. I pay taxes"   (pressdemocrat.com) divider line 144
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2014-02-10 05:44:08 PM
Throw him back into the river and finish the Darwination.
 
2014-02-10 05:50:49 PM
wel... he does have a point. but, yeah, he's a dumbass.
 
2014-02-10 05:58:16 PM
Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.
 
2014-02-10 06:05:31 PM
send him the bill for the rescue, the aristocrats.
 
2014-02-10 06:18:15 PM
He knows that we built it and he helped pay for it.
 
2014-02-10 07:11:05 PM
Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.
 
2014-02-10 07:14:00 PM

what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.


And he may never live to pay it all back if he keeps acting like an entitled reckless dumbass.

First thing I thought when I saw the quote in the headline was "male, under 25, probably white".  First two confirmed, would still bet on the last.
 
2014-02-10 07:14:24 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?
 
2014-02-10 07:14:44 PM
"It they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living," Bowman said. "I pay taxes."

Yes, you do, and so do THEY you ignorant slack-jawed knuckle - dragging mouth breather. They risked their lives to save you and your lover, and you pop off with that bullshiat? They have chosen to be part of the solution to human stupidity, at their own risk, and you hate on them? Wow. If i had been the fire chief there i would have tossed your ignorant ass right back in the river.
 
2014-02-10 07:16:48 PM
He's completely right. Throw him back because you didn't have a smile on your face.
 
2014-02-10 07:19:42 PM
Sure, they're paid to rescue people, but folks who go out of their way to put themselves in danger deserve whatever bad feelings they get from their rescuers.

You're putting them at risk too, dipshiats!
 
2014-02-10 07:20:23 PM
I'm sure glad *I* never did anything stupid when I was young.

/never talk to reporters.
//unless you are imitating the sound that a tornado makes.
///cause that is awesome.
 
2014-02-10 07:21:13 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: "It they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living," Bowman said. "I pay taxes."

Yes, you do, and so do THEY you ignorant slack-jawed knuckle - dragging mouth breather. They risked their lives to save you and your lover, and you pop off with that bullshiat? They have chosen to be part of the solution to human stupidity, at their own risk, and you hate on them? Wow. If i had been the fire chief there i would have tossed your ignorant ass right back in the river.


Better if he were given a swift kick in the nuts before being tossed back in.
 
2014-02-10 07:21:21 PM
Someone is about to get internet raped and deservedly so.
 
2014-02-10 07:21:28 PM
cascadeclimbers.com
I think the real question you're all forgetting is, Did he have a purty mouth?
 
2014-02-10 07:21:32 PM

fusillade762: Throw him back into the river and finish the Darwination.


THIS....so farking THIS!
 
2014-02-10 07:21:38 PM
Wish we had that much rain...
 
2014-02-10 07:23:12 PM
So privatize rescuing?
 
2014-02-10 07:24:55 PM
A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.
 
2014-02-10 07:25:16 PM
It's actually dangerous work, youngster. Think of them as human life preservers, ideally you don't need them but it's good to have them around you, and it's probably a good idea not to put your dumb ass into a situation where either was needed.

If you want to complain, next time they could let the phone ring for an hour and then send the coroner.

I really hope someone sends him a bill so he can give a local judge a piece of his mind.
 
2014-02-10 07:25:27 PM
Right on bud. I get crap from my garbage collectors almost every week for my smattering of post-modern waste sculptures. Pick it up jerks, I pay taxes.
 
2014-02-10 07:26:24 PM
I just want to say the word "flotsam".  Flotsam.  It sounds like a quaint Dorset village.  Flotsam.
 
2014-02-10 07:26:56 PM
Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...
 
2014-02-10 07:27:41 PM

humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?


Did the rescuers get into the rescuing business thinking they would never have to rescue idiots who put themselves in dangerous situations?
 
2014-02-10 07:28:13 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


Two guys get bored and toss lit matches at oily rags in their garage. House catches on fire. Fire department comes and saves them, puts out fire.

Fire chief says, "They put themselves at risk and they put the rescuers at risk. It was totally unnecessary and entirely preventable."

Guys say, "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be fighting fires for a living. I pay taxes."

See how stupid that is? I'm sure rescue personnel are more than happy to save people that need saving through no fault of their own. Saving dumbasses like these? Not quite.
 
2014-02-10 07:30:32 PM

what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.


That was an absolutely stellar phrase I will steal.
 
2014-02-10 07:32:01 PM

FDR Jones: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?

Did the rescuers get into the rescuing business thinking they would never have to rescue idiots who put themselves in dangerous situations?


They don't have to like it. If I'm ever dumb enough to put myself in that kind of situation, I won't care if the people saving me scowl as they call me an asshole, as long as they rescue me. Not every rescue has to come with a smiley face and sunny disposition.
 
2014-02-10 07:34:51 PM
The comments on that news site are pretty good.  Once lady crying about how the "boys will be boys" but everyone else seems to think that creek should have been "catch and release"
 
2014-02-10 07:35:39 PM
Shiat like this is why my dad no longer volunteers for S&R. The stories of the dumbasses they had to go rescue in the middle of winter were mind boggling. Hey, how about let's not go hiking in the MIDDLE OF THE EFFING FORREST IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING WINTER wearing nothing heavier than a windbreaker and only carrying a little bottle of water, and then be shocked when you get lost and nearly freeze to death before anyone finds you?
 
2014-02-10 07:36:28 PM

FDR Jones: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?

Did the rescuers get into the rescuing business thinking they would never have to rescue idiots who put themselves in dangerous situations?


Are they not allowed to roll their eyes at the absolute dumbasses they encounter simply because they chose this line of work
 
2014-02-10 07:37:53 PM

snuffy: send him the bill for the rescue, the aristocrats.


some states actually do that now, guess that state doesn't.
 
2014-02-10 07:41:13 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.



The kid comes across as a self entitled twat.  The firefighters probably were upset because of that, not because they had to do their job.  We have this same problem with our volunteers in Search and Rescue.  People come to BC and think  "hey, we'll go off trail" or "I'm a good skiier I'll be fine going past the ropes".  The twatwaffles then feel offended when we ask them to reimburse.  I'ts not just the danger SAR  encounters.  They take away from their jobs, there is continuous training, cost of training the dogs (yes it is freaking expensive), the cost of gear, licensing, vehicles, gas, helicopters etc. depending on the situation.  This is all covered by taxes and fundraisers.   In some cases people have even tried to sue because they weren't there soon enough.

Like fire fighters, these guys and gals don't get paid nearly enough to put their lives on the line for honest accidents.  To get snotted out by someone who did a farking stupid thing is adding insult to injury.
 
2014-02-10 07:41:51 PM
This is another great example for when I make my pitch to legalize murder.
 
2014-02-10 07:43:21 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: Shiat like this is why my dad no longer volunteers for S&R. The stories of the dumbasses they had to go rescue in the middle of winter were mind boggling. Hey, how about let's not go hiking in the MIDDLE OF THE EFFING FORREST IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING WINTER wearing nothing heavier than a windbreaker and only carrying a little bottle of water, and then be shocked when you get lost and nearly freeze to death before anyone finds you?


Every ski season we have a pool as to which nationality and age group will need rescuing first.
 
2014-02-10 07:47:52 PM
Well I dont go rafting unless I have Ned Beatty with me.
 
2014-02-10 07:49:28 PM
If rescuers stopped helping stupid people, they'd be out of a job.  Why do you think most cops are against legalization of drugs?
 
2014-02-10 07:50:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: FDR Jones: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?

Did the rescuers get into the rescuing business thinking they would never have to rescue idiots who put themselves in dangerous situations?

Are they not allowed to roll their eyes at the absolute dumbasses they encounter simply because they chose this line of work


No, that's totally allowed... back at the station. They shouldn't convey that publicly to a reporter. If I eye-rolled a client and it got back to them, I would possibly be in deep shiat.
 
2014-02-10 07:50:45 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


and because of that soon you'll be on fries, and then the grill.

076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2014-02-10 07:52:26 PM

heel turn: Right on bud. I get crap from my garbage collectors almost every week for my smattering of post-modern waste sculptures. Pick it up jerks, I pay taxes.


You should run or Sanitation Commissioner
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-10 07:52:27 PM
  I guess there is something to be said for being content to sit in front of the computer/television all day and not leave the house.
 
2014-02-10 07:53:28 PM

what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.


Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).
 
2014-02-10 07:54:06 PM

FlashHarry: wel... he does have a point.


Not really.
 
2014-02-10 07:54:44 PM
More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.
 
2014-02-10 07:54:46 PM
There is a very high death rate for the rescuers in swift water rescues.  Typically the deaths are among well meaning people who go in after victims. But even among professionals it is high risk. Nothing like putting your own ass on the line for a couple of dip shiats who think it is just your job.
I am in Search and Rescue now, our unit does not do swift water rescue because of the risks to our people and the difficulty to train to a high enough standard to take the risks.
 
2014-02-10 07:56:33 PM
From the comments

Mr. Bowman I looked your name up in the Sonoma County tax register and I couldn't find any record of you owning a home or property, so when you say that you pay taxes I'm wondering what you are referring to. Regardless, if you do or don't "pay taxes" a callous statement like "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living" tells me that you know nothing of rescuers and what they put on the line every day. Each trained rescuer is selfless and does their job hoping that they will go home, to their own family, after each shift. Next time that you and your friend try a bone head stunt, like this, I hope that you will remember that others are risking their lives for your thrill seeking. When someone risks their life for you, it might be humbling to make you life worth saving...just a thought about gratitude.

His dumbass uniformed comment invites an almost as ignorant comment in rebuttal. I hate when this type of stuff happens.
 
2014-02-10 07:57:54 PM

Pribar: A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


B...b...b..but free helicopter ride


Yeah had a patiennt need to get to closest hosptal quick, insisted on going to one almost 2 hours away. Saying anything to get them to go I metioned a helo...and the cost. After wasting waaaaay too much time, chopper came, got the patient loaded...and they ended up going to the hospital I'd have taken them to for free because there were thunderstorms in the way........
 
2014-02-10 08:03:31 PM

Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).



Cue the red ones:

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2014-02-10 08:04:10 PM

JoieD'Zen: Bit'O'Gristle: "It they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living," Bowman said. "I pay taxes."

Yes, you do, and so do THEY you ignorant slack-jawed knuckle - dragging mouth breather. They risked their lives to save you and your lover, and you pop off with that bullshiat? They have chosen to be part of the solution to human stupidity, at their own risk, and you hate on them? Wow. If i had been the fire chief there i would have tossed your ignorant ass right back in the river.

Better if he were given a swift kick in the nuts before being tossed back in.


Frankly, anyone rescued on any type of water craft who isn't wearing a PFD should receive a nut punch once they are safe. This guy should get one every week for a year.
 
2014-02-10 08:05:10 PM
Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with search & rescue, the whole "Ima taxpayer" thing always gets my goat.

I used to hear that crap all the time when I worked for Parks & Rec anytime someone didn't like a decision I made.

When I ran adult softball, we had games two nights a week. On those days, fields were prepped early in the afternoon and 'closed' until game time. From time to time, I would find people playing on the infield and I would tell them nicely that I had games scheduled that night and if the players showed up and their fields were messed up, they would be upset. I also told them that if they moved to the outfield, no one would mind if they stuck around.

One fellow decided to pull the taxpayer card on me. I told him kindly "well sir, I have about 100 guys that are going to play on this field this evening that are also taxpayers. Plus, they also paid registration fees to play in the league." He then threatened to call my boss, the council, etc. I gave him the numbers and wished him well and told him that the park rangers would be by in a few minutes.
 
2014-02-10 08:06:30 PM
If ever these dummies need rescuing again, I believe I would forego my pay for that day... to save those taxpayers some cash. I'm sure they'd thank me as their lungs fill with water.
 
2014-02-10 08:11:02 PM

Car_Ramrod: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Two guys get bored and toss lit matches at oily rags in their garage. House catches on fire. Fire department comes and saves them, puts out fire.

Fire chief says, "They put themselves at risk and they put the rescuers at risk. It was totally unnecessary and entirely preventable."

Guys say, "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be fighting fires for a living. I pay taxes."

See how stupid that is? I'm sure rescue personnel are more than happy to save people that need saving through no fault of their own. Saving dumbasses like these? Not quite.


Wouldn't it be nice if Fire chiefs, EMT's and rescue personnel could evaluate situations in advance, assign blame, and refuse to offer services?
 
2014-02-10 08:11:18 PM

Pribar: A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


A small group got turned around after a day of hiking in an area near me, you are always within a mile or two from a heavily traveled road. They ended up at a Boy Scout Camp, about a mile from the trail head, where they met the caretaker in a truck. He instructed them to walk down the road to the office and he'd call someone to come get them. They freaked out that he wasn't going to drive them down the road. They freaked out so much they walked the other direction and needed to be tracked down in the dead of night. I never found out if they were charged any money to go get them. I would have let the idiots wander around all night since they were in okay condition when the caretaker talked to them and he was more than willing to help them if they just walked a couple hundred yards more.
 
2014-02-10 08:11:50 PM

lordjupiter: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

And he may never live to pay it all back if he keeps acting like an entitled reckless dumbass.

First thing I thought when I saw the quote in the headline was "male, under 25, probably white".  First two confirmed, would still bet on the last.


You can bet that it really pisses him off that .05 cents of "His Tax Dollar" goes for food stamps, though..
 
2014-02-10 08:12:46 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


No? Not ever, bender-of-honest? Huh. I bet you brown-nose like a motherfarker, though.
 
2014-02-10 08:12:56 PM

Car_Ramrod: Two guys get bored and toss lit matches at oily rags in their garage. House catches on fire. Fire department comes and saves them, puts out fire.

Fire chief says, "They put themselves at risk and they put the rescuers at risk. It was totally unnecessary and entirely preventable."

Guys say, "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be fighting fires for a living. I pay taxes."

See how stupid that is? I'm sure rescue personnel are more than happy to save people that need saving through no fault of their own. Saving dumbasses like these? Not quite.


I dont know... my wife is a firefighter, and she is extremely thankful when she gets to respond to a fire call due to an idiot instead of car accident caused by a moron.

/No such thing as an accident.  Only poor decisions.
 
2014-02-10 08:14:17 PM

DrBenway: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

No? Not ever, bender-of-honest? Huh. I bet you brown-nose like a motherfarker, though.


Silence, Liquifactionist pig.
 
2014-02-10 08:14:59 PM
EMT Oath

Be it pledged as an Emergency Medical Technician, I will honor the physical and judicial laws of God and man. I will follow that regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of patients and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, nor shall I suggest any such counsel. Into whatever homes I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of only the sick and injured, never revealing what I see or hear in the lives of men unless required by law.

I shall also share my medical knowledge with those who may benefit from what I have learned. I will serve unselfishly and continuously in order to help make a better world for all mankind.

While I continue to keep this oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life, and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times. Should I trespass or violate this oath, may the reverse be my lot.

So help me God.
 
2014-02-10 08:15:53 PM

jso2897: lordjupiter: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

And he may never live to pay it all back if he keeps acting like an entitled reckless dumbass.

First thing I thought when I saw the quote in the headline was "male, under 25, probably white".  First two confirmed, would still bet on the last.

You can bet that it really pisses him off that .05 cents of "His Tax Dollar" goes for food stamps, though..


I wonder how much he paid for his fedora?
 
2014-02-10 08:20:27 PM

snuffy: send him the bill for the rescue, the aristocrats.


THAT along with a note saying "your taxes didn't cover this part".
 
2014-02-10 08:21:35 PM
I used to be a Ski Patrol member and we had some real idiots complain because something happened to them on a closed trail and we were not there to help them immediately.  They were like these guys who feel like they can do something stupid that puts them and others in danger and the rest of the world owes it to them to bail them out without comment.
 
2014-02-10 08:21:45 PM

lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.


If your rescue costs a lot.  There's no charge if you're a typical idiot who just ran out of water or got caught out after sundown without a flashlight.  They still have to send out volunteers to hunt you down, hand you a water bottle/flashlight and walk back with you.  This and people "lost" in the mountains and eventually found at a local bar (they get separated from their friends on a day hike and don't think to touch base again or they forget to check in with a person they told their plans to) account for most of the calls for my local volunteer rescue group.  They rarely get to do technical climbing rescues or use their avalanche dogs or any of the fun stuff they train for.
 
2014-02-10 08:25:55 PM
While I do think that people who do exceedingly stupid stuff ought to be responsible for a portion of the rescue bill, I'd still say rescue them first an ask questions later.
 
2014-02-10 08:27:50 PM
"Once there, they performed a swift-water rescue. That involved sending special life jackets across to the men, tying ropes to the jackets, and hauling them through the water to safety, explained Santa Rosa Battalion Chief Mark. Basque. Additional personnel were stationed downstream with ropes to catch the men if they were swept downstream. They were uninjured."

Not that it makes the guy any less of an ass, but did rescuers put their lives in danger by entering the water in this instance? How do they "send" lifejackets? Does someone take them ?
 
2014-02-10 08:29:26 PM

syrynxx: I just want to say the word "flotsam".  Flotsam.  It sounds like a quaint Dorset village.  Flotsam.


There's a good, woody word!
 
2014-02-10 08:30:40 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.

If your rescue costs a lot.  There's no charge if you're a typical idiot who just ran out of water or got caught out after sundown without a flashlight.  They still have to send out volunteers to hunt you down, hand you a water bottle/flashlight and walk back with you.  This and people "lost" in the mountains and eventually found at a local bar (they get separated from their friends on a day hike and don't think to touch base again or they forget to check in with a person they told their plans to) account for most of the calls for my local volunteer rescue group.  They rarely get to do technical climbing rescues or use their avalanche dogs or any of the fun stuff they train for.



When we were in Montrose, Nucla areas there was this one doctor who insisted on going to his cabin in the winter that was in the pass between the two.  He got snowed in so many times that they started a telephone chain.  "Oh, the Dr. got snowed in  again, Bob.  Grab your sled, it's your turn."   People were pretty cool about it and he gave free house calls to the people on the chain.
 
2014-02-10 08:34:47 PM

Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...


I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.
 
2014-02-10 08:35:43 PM
FTFA:  Bowman, his white shirt, jeans and boots soaked, said he and Sitzer launched their craft into Piner Creek near Marlow Road with the idea of reaching Willowside Road, where Sitzer had left his pickup truck.
The pair was unprepared for the whitewater conditions they faced once Piner merged with Santa Rosa Creek. They capsized somewhere near Fulton Road.


So, here is:

1. where they started
2. where they intended to go
3. about where they capsized

img.fark.net

That's more than 3.5 miles between 1 and 2, and it isn't even clear that the pickup truck was in drivable condition.

Way to go, nimrods.
 
2014-02-10 08:38:06 PM
As a Coastie mom, little gets my blood boiling more than idiots who put rescuers at risk due to boneheaded crap like this.
 
2014-02-10 08:43:37 PM
Easy easy solution. Disband rescue services. These "problems" will work themselves out eventually and my taxes can go to other better things.
 
2014-02-10 08:45:21 PM

Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).


Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.
 
2014-02-10 08:46:58 PM

Pribar: A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


I was on a SAR once for a "seriously injured hiker", got up there and he had a pretty bad sprained ankle.  I don't doubt for a moment that it hurt, it looked pretty painful.  I asked his buddy, who hiked down to call then lead us back up to him, why didn't you just help him down?  His answer was they didn't want to lose their packs....
 
2014-02-10 08:50:35 PM
Paging Hardinparamedic to the main tab.
 
2014-02-10 09:03:46 PM

Abacus9: Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).

Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.


Most do.

All these people in here. "People had to be rescued after making a rookie mistake in a well established hobby practiced by millions!" and they're upset?

Pfft. We're all young once.
 
2014-02-10 09:04:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.


Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.
 
2014-02-10 09:12:55 PM

doglover: Abacus9: Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).

Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.

Most do.

All these people in here. "People had to be rescued after making a rookie mistake in a well established hobby practiced by millions!" and they're upset?

Pfft. We're all young once.



Here is the difference, I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water.  What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.  You break a window you are contrite and work at that neighbours yard until that window is paid off.  Same goes for these boys.  The amount of time and money you wasted you could make up volunteering or at least show your appreciation.  And the aforementioned has NOTHING to do with if the person is paid or a volunteer.  It's farking common courtesy and respect.  If these guys don't realise that then their parents are abject failures and this won't be the last time they wind up in hot water.
 
2014-02-10 09:12:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.


Yeah, that is along the lines of what I would expect him to say. I am not sure you have to do "everything" right, but check into things and get advice before you do them.

I used to day-hike a bunch and occasionally camp overnight. Sometimes I over-prepared. Mostly because of the memories of when I under-prepared (or just got screwed by weather that changed unexpectedly).
 
2014-02-10 09:13:17 PM
"Hello, 911"
"I know I wasn't supposed to *nervous splashing sounds* go into that river again, but....."
"We'll send someone right away, just stay calm"

As the operator kicks back in the breakroom with the rescuers, as they catch up on 'Whose Liine Is It Anyway' and call it a night.
 
2014-02-10 09:16:00 PM

sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.


Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.
 
2014-02-10 09:18:48 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


Jaime Diamond was a complete gentleman as he went before congress and lied his ass off about the need for his bank to be bailed out.
 
2014-02-10 09:22:44 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


I'm assuming you didn't read my post, even though you quoted it.  I raised my brother and I have a bunch of boys and I work with troubled teens.   And yes, it works if you start early enough.  Sure there will be bumps but if by the time they are legal they haven't acquired self awareness, respect, accountability and being able to say "Hey I farked up, sorry."  you need to rethink your parenting techniques.
 
2014-02-10 09:26:58 PM

doglover: Pfft. We're all young once.


Ummm. Yeah. Its Sonoma County. Most kids around there  *know*  just how bad the rivers and creeks get, especially during a storm. Young or not- thats not an excuse. Also- they sat there and shivered. I fell through ice on a lake when I was much younger than these asshats, and , once i pulled my ass out- I was smart enough to know that if I didnt keep moving, I would die.Lucky for me, the old man was only about 1/4 mile away .
 
2014-02-10 09:27:07 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


I wonder what the Roofie Cowboy would have to say about this.
 
2014-02-10 09:27:51 PM

Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.


Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.
 
2014-02-10 09:28:54 PM

lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.


They were not hunting or fishing they were rafting. Are you saying Colorado requires a hunting or fishing license to float down a creek in a raft?
 
2014-02-10 09:30:24 PM

Abacus9: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

I wonder what the Roofie Cowboy would have to say about this.


He would say "You won't remember this, but you got purty tailbones."
 
2014-02-10 09:33:28 PM

Spirit Hammer: I'm sure glad *I* never did anything stupid when I was young.

/never talk to reporters.
//unless you are imitating the sound that a tornado makes.
///cause that is awesome.


I did.  And afterward, I never said anything so self-centeredly selfish and stupid as that.
 
2014-02-10 09:42:38 PM
For some reason that "Dee Dee Dee" song by Carlos Mencia is running through my head.
 
2014-02-10 09:43:29 PM

sleeps in trees: you need to rethink your parenting techniques.



I didn't raise them, that's for sure. In this case, these two were dumb. Suicidally dumb. Those types don't tend to be very well mannered. In fact, they resent that someone smarter had to rescue them. It makes them seethe inside. So they'll be assholes to you if you yell at them, especially when it's their fault. So I just give it the credence of a green log out-gassing some steam in a campfire. Unless you're gonna drive down there and toss his ass back in the river, I don't see where getting upset helps. People like this are the very reason we have EMT and emergency services. If it wasn't for young men being dumb, 90% of societies problems would be gone.
 
2014-02-10 09:46:30 PM

sleeps in trees: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


The kid comes across as a self entitled twat.  The firefighters probably were upset because of that, not because they had to do their job.  We have this same problem with our volunteers in Search and Rescue.  People come to BC and think  "hey, we'll go off trail" or "I'm a good skiier I'll be fine going past the ropes".  The twatwaffles then feel offended when we ask them to reimburse.  I'ts not just the danger SAR  encounters.  They take away from their jobs, there is continuous training, cost of training the dogs (yes it is freaking expensive), the cost of gear, licensing, vehicles, gas, helicopters etc. depending on the situation.  This is all covered by taxes and fundraisers.   In some cases people have even tried to sue because they weren't there soon enough.

Like fire fighters, these guys and gals don't get paid nearly enough to put their lives on the line for honest accidents.  To get snotted out by someone who did a farking stupid thing is adding insult to injury.


This argument always comes off a little odd to me. I pay taxes for firemen to do things like this, not sit around the station and play cards over pizza. If it's volunteer SAR, someone is paying for the equipment - and asking for reimbursement goes against the volunteer aspect of the whole thing. If you do get money from it, I should just mobilize myself when this kind of stuff happens and undercut your prices. That way you can pick and choose the "emergencies" you go to on a moral and financial basis. Some states have this all figured out to be able to finance all the training and resources for non-judgmental rescues, apparently your state isn't one of them.

With your logic, the guy and his dog that called SAR should be paid.
 
2014-02-10 09:48:38 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: They risked their lives


That's their job.

Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.

It's not heroism, it's a day at the office.
 
2014-02-10 09:49:54 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: you need to rethink your parenting techniques.


I didn't raise them, that's for sure. In this case, these two were dumb. Suicidally dumb. Those types don't tend to be very well mannered. In fact, they resent that someone smarter had to rescue them. It makes them seethe inside. So they'll be assholes to you if you yell at them, especially when it's their fault. So I just give it the credence of a green log out-gassing some steam in a campfire. Unless you're gonna drive down there and toss his ass back in the river, I don't see where getting upset helps. People like this are the very reason we have EMT and emergency services. If it wasn't for young men being dumb, 90% of societies problems would be gone.



Eh, sorry that wasn't meant to be personal, I meant you in the vous sense.
 
2014-02-10 09:50:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off .... They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble,...


By the way, thanks for the reminder: I'm in the potential path of this next southern ice storm, and this reminded me to make sure the LiPo external batteries for the cell phones are fully charged and to dig out some Cyalume sticks.
 
2014-02-10 09:52:33 PM

Hilary T. N. Seuss: If ever these dummies need rescuing again, I believe I would forego my pay for that day... to save those taxpayers some cash. I'm sure they'd thank me as their lungs fill with water.


I would not worry about it. You have zero chance of passing the Civil service psychological tests for a  first responder.
 
2014-02-10 09:56:40 PM
"There was a level of ignorance involved".

He's gonna owe the Tea Party a royalty for using their tag line.
 
2014-02-10 09:58:16 PM

sendtodave: Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.


No, in the the United States soldiers swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Pay and benefits come after that.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:47 PM

Rivetman1.0: sendtodave: Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.

No, in the the United States soldiers swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Pay and benefits come after that.


Eh, I'm just trollin.
 
2014-02-10 10:04:10 PM

Ficoce: sleeps in trees: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


The kid comes across as a self entitled twat.  The firefighters probably were upset because of that, not because they had to do their job.  We have this same problem with our volunteers in Search and Rescue.  People come to BC and think  "hey, we'll go off trail" or "I'm a good skiier I'll be fine going past the ropes".  The twatwaffles then feel offended when we ask them to reimburse.  I'ts not just the danger SAR  encounters.  They take away from their jobs, there is continuous training, cost of training the dogs (yes it is freaking expensive), the cost of gear, licensing, vehicles, gas, helicopters etc. depending on the situation.  This is all covered by taxes and fundraisers.   In some cases people have even tried to sue because they weren't there soon enough.

Like fire fighters, these guys and gals don't get paid nearly enough to put their lives on the line for honest accidents.  To get snotted out by someone who did a farking stupid thing is adding insult to injury.

This argument always comes off a little odd to me. I pay taxes for firemen to do things like this, not sit around the station and play cards over pizza. If it's volunteer SAR, someone is paying for the equipment - and asking for reimbursement goes against the volunteer aspect of the whole thing. If you do get money from it, I should just mobilize myself when this kind of stuff happens and undercut your prices. That way you can pick and choose the "emergencies" you go to on a moral and financial basis. Some states have this all figured out to be able to finance all the training and resources for non-judgmental rescues, apparently your state isn't one of them.

With your logic, the guy and his dog that called SAR should be paid.



SAR is not a bunch of firefighters sitting around eating pizza (which they rarely do due to equipment upkeep etc.)  therefore I don't understand the comparison.  No one is asking for their time to be paid for nor their training.  Equipment is usually paid for by volunteers and fund raisers if at all possible with small grants (I'm not in a state).  There is no reimbursement for hours spent, and dog training etc.  Asking for immediate reimbursement usually happens when a helicopter is brought in and it was a deliberate situation.  Like I said, skiing out of bounds where it is clearly posted etc.  So your argument doesn't make sense to me.

Who is the guy and his dog that called SAR and why should they be paid?
 
2014-02-10 10:06:26 PM
Anytime someone uses the "I pay taxes" defense, I assume they're talking about cigarettes and boxed wine.
 
2014-02-10 10:12:32 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?
 
2014-02-10 10:17:54 PM

addy2: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?


24 is a kid. Ask any 30+ year old.
 
2014-02-10 10:21:53 PM

Pribar: /helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


Mainly because it's a device that's trying to rip itself apart as it defies the laws of physics.

Planes glide gracefully through the air. Helos pummel the air into submission.

/Wanna learn to fly both
//Helicopters are awesome
///They don't actually defy the laws of physics
 
2014-02-10 10:23:52 PM
Having grown up in Santa Rosa .. there's pretty much fark-all to do in that town, always has been and probably always will be.

The Guy's an idiot, but I can see where he's coming from, trying to find *something* to do around there other than meth and Yer Mom...
 
2014-02-10 10:24:05 PM
Too funny, I live within 1-2 miles of the mentioned locations! I'm also surprised someone thought this was a good idea, those creeks are at least 10 feet deep in the center and moving right along when they are flooded like that. As you can see, it isn't an featureless channel either.
There is still a thriving Redneck community here in Santa Rosa and surrounding areas and while not bad people, they tend not to be the most thoughtful and introspective. I'll bet good $ the boots worn were cowboy boots or work boots (Redwing?) and the there was some Carhartt or Lee apparel involved, possibly camo as well. The waiting truck was a Chevy 4x4 or Ford diesel as well.

/They were white
//Does that make me racist?
 
2014-02-10 10:24:24 PM

doglover: addy2: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?

24 is a kid. Ask any 30+ year old.


Still too old to be given any latitude for dumbassery. But knowing this my son will be watched more closely.
 
2014-02-10 10:27:50 PM
am I the only one who read that headline as "Swollen crack"?  I thought someone shoving a raft in a swollen crack sounded kinda painful..
 
2014-02-10 10:41:26 PM
I've never known anyone working as a rescue worker who didn't like putting their lives on the line to rescue idiots like these two.
 
2014-02-10 11:16:21 PM
While it probably true the rescuers involved were on duty, and therefore doing the job they were being paid to do. WOULD IT KILL'YA TO SAY "THANK YOU". Optional S&R fees on licenses and permits strike me as being perfectly fair. Billing people egregiously stupid or careless behavior, ditto.
 
2014-02-10 11:18:21 PM
Wonder what the dipshiat's Fark handle is. I have a few guesses based on comments in this thread.
 
2014-02-10 11:23:12 PM

addy2: doglover: addy2: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?

24 is a kid. Ask any 30+ year old.

Still too old to be given any latitude for dumbassery. But knowing this my son will be watched more closely.


Morally, you can't do this....

But I've always wanted to set up society better. Y'know, more in line with the natural laws.

In such a place, rescuing people like this would be optional and the resources dispatched would be strictly voluntary. Maybe just get life jackets out to the them and wish 'em luck.
 
2014-02-10 11:31:13 PM
As a mother of a sometimes boneheaded boy (not these, thank god), I can honestly say that if my son did anything stupid that warranted professional rescue, he should be too embarrassed to say anything but "thank you" and then shut up.

If otherwise, I can safely say I would personally march his butt to the nearest place of public service and offer his unpaid help for a month.

/once, after smartmouthing off about war veterans, I made him do a study about WWII and then write a thank you letter to the local Legion
 
2014-02-10 11:39:43 PM

ongbok: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.

Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.


Hmmm, that post right there tells me you have zero reading comprehension. There were about ten of us, as it was a bachelor party. I only accused the one paramedic and the one cop of being assholes. And they were. My friend got beat up for having the balls to go back inside to get his phone. The cop was an asshole for refusing to even look into it, the paramed was an asshole for refusing to care for my friend, as he's paid to do, and then for nearly ripping my arm off. The only one who did their job in this story is the bouncer, and they did it wrong.

You weren't there, and fark you for presuming you know what happened.
 
2014-02-10 11:41:29 PM

lordjupiter: probably white


Is that racist?
 
2014-02-10 11:48:49 PM

doglover: addy2: doglover: addy2: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?

24 is a kid. Ask any 30+ year old.

Still too old to be given any latitude for dumbassery. But knowing this my son will be watched more closely.

Morally, you can't do this....

But I've always wanted to set up society better. Y'know, more in line with the natural laws.

In such a place, rescuing people like this would be optional and the resources dispatched would be strictly voluntary. Maybe just get life jackets out to the them and wish 'em luck.


What natural laws? Everything that happens is natural. Unless you believe in some supernatural deity, everything is natural, including every human action.
 
2014-02-11 12:19:28 AM
They're still alive?

I'm sure most Farkers know this, but for you younguns out there, know this - just a few inches of slow-moving flood/muddy/debris water can end you.  Stay away from flood/flash flood areas.

We haven't been getting much of any rain here in CA this year, but when we do there's always young men getting swept away.
 
2014-02-11 12:19:39 AM

Abacus9: What natural laws?


Survival of the fittest.

It's one thing when a baby crawls in front of a car, gets bopped out into the air, is captured by a passing pelican, and winds up in the middle of the forest on a mountain side and needs to be rescued like in some cartoon. Send all the king's horses and all the king's men.

But when a grown ass man gets himself trapped on an island in a flood stage river? Maybe we can just kinda launch a life vest over with a pneumatic t-shirt gun.
 
2014-02-11 12:21:12 AM

Abacus9: ongbok: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.

Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.

Hmmm, that post right there tells me you have zero reading comprehension. There were about ten of us, as it was a bachelor party. I only accused the one paramedic and the one cop of being assholes. And they were. My friend got beat up for having the balls to go back inside to get his phone. The cop was an asshole for refusing to even look into it, the paramed was an asshole for refusing to care for my friend, as he's paid to do ...


Good points, all. Sounds legit to me, and damn anyone who doubts your version of how these events unfolded. Because, after all, a bunch of guys at a bachelor party are never anything but the very picture of decorum.
 
2014-02-11 12:33:41 AM

humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?


It would if I signed up to be a firefighter. It's not like they didn't know what they were signing up for, nor is anyone forcing them to continue in an inherently dangerous job.
 
2014-02-11 12:47:17 AM

jshine: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?

It would if I signed up to be a firefighter. It's not like they didn't know what they were signing up for, nor is anyone forcing them to continue in an inherently dangerous job.


Oh, get real. You act like being stupid is your sacred right and it's everyone else's duty to pick up after you when you do. Some jobs are dangerous ENOUGH (firefighting, being a cop, a soldier, a coalminer), without having to deal with people who feel it's their god-given right to do everything the way they want to and f*ck the rules. If you want to go out into the wilderness and go whitewater rafting, then you should at least have a certain amount of training, carry proper lifesaving equipment, and not be drunk off your ass when you go. Then, when you get caught in a flash flood or someone breaks an ankle, at least you did everything right and you legitimately need rescuing and not because you and your buddies are dumbshiats who figured "Hey! SAR's got nothing better to do with their time, they can fish our drunk stupid butts out of these flooded Stage 6 rapids!"

No, SAR's job is to fish your drunk stupid butt out of those Stage 6 rapids; but they don't have to be happy that you could have avoided it by not being drunk, stupid, and in rapids you had no business being in in the first place. That was YOUR job, and you blew it. So you could at least be thankful and grateful someone is out there whose job it is to fish stupid drunks out of raging rivers and not be arrogant assholes about it. They are not biatching about doing their job. They're biatching because you did not do YOUR job.
 
2014-02-11 12:59:32 AM

DrBenway: Abacus9: ongbok: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.

Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.

Hmmm, that post right there tells me you have zero reading comprehension. There were about ten of us, as it was a bachelor party. I only accused the one paramedic and the one cop of being assholes. And they were. My friend got beat up for having the balls to go back inside to get his phone. The cop was an asshole for refusing to even look into it, the paramed was an asshole for refusing to care for my friend, as he's paid to do ...

Good points, all. Sounds legit to me, and damn anyone who doubts your version of how these events unfolded. Because, after all, a bunch of guys at a bachelor party are never anything but the very picture of decorum.


Wasn't my first bachelor party, or my first introduction to law enforcement. Or the first time I was at a bachelor party in which cops showed up. But we did nothing wrong, and I don't care that the cop didn't believe us. I care that the paramedic did nothing, assaulted me in front of the cop, and the cop was all "kneel before Zod."

But that's Detroit for ya.
 
2014-02-11 01:07:28 AM

doglover: Abacus9: What natural laws?

Survival of the fittest.

It's one thing when a baby crawls in front of a car, gets bopped out into the air, is captured by a passing pelican, and winds up in the middle of the forest on a mountain side and needs to be rescued like in some cartoon. Send all the king's horses and all the king's men.

But when a grown ass man gets himself trapped on an island in a flood stage river? Maybe we can just kinda launch a life vest over with a pneumatic t-shirt gun.


That's not what survival of the fittest means, as I'm sure you know.

For the rest, as I said, it's all natural. Nothing unnatural exists. Your definition of nature, from what I can tell, is some sort of Jack London jackoff fantasy.

My idea is that society, as created by humans, is nature, as humans are a type of animal.
 
2014-02-11 01:08:24 AM
These whiny rescue workers should quit their jobs and let real men fill their positions. Little cry babies. I know plenty of real men who would love to risk their lives saving people in distress all day long.

Not only that, but without adventurous souls such as these, there would be less rescue work, so some of these rescue workers might not have jobs. They should thank the adventurers for keeping them employed.
 
2014-02-11 01:20:49 AM
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2014-02-11 01:25:42 AM
Something to consider is that many rescue workers are volunteers not paid to take the risks they are doing, they are risking their livelihoods as well as their lives every time they have to fish some idiot out of the drink, so show em a modicum of courtesy and don't needlessly endanger yourself, and if you just have to do some extreme sports do it in a setting where you have other sportsmen nearby to assist you if you get in over your head so as to minimize the chance of either you or they not making it home again
 
2014-02-11 01:31:51 AM

Gyrfalcon: jshine: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Does your job involve risking your life because some dumbsh*t did something worthy of being a dumbsh*t?

It would if I signed up to be a firefighter. It's not like they didn't know what they were signing up for, nor is anyone forcing them to continue in an inherently dangerous job.

Oh, get real. You act like being stupid is your sacred right and it's everyone else's duty to pick up after you when you do. Some jobs are dangerous ENOUGH (firefighting, being a cop, a soldier, a coalminer), without having to deal with people who feel it's their god-given right to do everything the way they want to and f*ck the rules. If you want to go out into the wilderness and go whitewater rafting, then you should at least have a certain amount of training, carry proper lifesaving equipment, and not be drunk off your ass when you go. Then, when you get caught in a flash flood or someone breaks an ankle, at least you did everything right and you legitimately need rescuing and not because you and your buddies are dumbshiats who figured "Hey! SAR's got nothing better to do with their time, they can fish our drunk stupid butts out of these flooded Stage 6 rapids!"

No, SAR's job is to fish your drunk stupid butt out of those Stage 6 rapids; but they don't have to be happy that you could have avoided it by not being drunk, stupid, and in rapids you had no business being in in the first place. That was YOUR job, and you blew it. So you could at least be thankful and grateful someone is out there whose job it is to fish stupid drunks out of raging rivers and not be arrogant assholes about it. They are not biatching about doing their job. They're biatching because you did not do YOUR job.


It's weird to me that some people seem to think people with gigs like that should be some sort of "I do my job and have no opinion. How may I assist you with your emergency today?" robots.
 
2014-02-11 01:41:05 AM

FlashHarry: wel... he does have a point. but, yeah, he's a dumbass.


Nope, he's not entitled to be a dumbass just because taxpayer dollars go towards emergency services. He'll probably be getting charged for this in one way or another.
 
2014-02-11 02:40:55 AM
I'll make an (likely accurate) assumption, saying that although our retarded adventures pay taxes, they don't vote. Also more to topic, if it's the middle of the day during torrential rains, I doubt they pay both sales AND income taxes.

I hope after this article ended, quoted dumbass was knocked out by some old-timey fire chief. Or they offered to return them to the point they found them.
 
2014-02-11 03:21:41 AM

Abacus9: Wasn't my first bachelor party, or my first introduction to law enforcement. Or the first time I was at a bachelor party in which cops showed up. But we did nothing wrong


Yup, those damn cops and ret-a-docs are always out to assault people and put them in jail for no reason.

/Why, I was just at the county prison last week, it turns out that every single person there was really innocent...
 
2014-02-11 03:57:08 AM

the ha ha guy: Abacus9: Wasn't my first bachelor party, or my first introduction to law enforcement. Or the first time I was at a bachelor party in which cops showed up. But we did nothing wrong

Yup, those damn cops and ret-a-docs are always out to assault people and put them in jail for no reason.

/Why, I was just at the county prison last week, it turns out that every single person there was really innocent...


Was it America? That might be true.
 
2014-02-11 05:30:04 AM
I pay taxes

I'll take that bet.
 
2014-02-11 05:55:24 AM

what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.


Let's just call it an Obamacare subsidy.
 
2014-02-11 06:48:29 AM
I wont be suprised if them or their parents wont try and sue the government for not putting up a fence to prevent this.
 
2014-02-11 07:40:57 AM

Percise1: Too funny, I live within 1-2 miles of the mentioned locations! I'm also surprised someone thought this was a good idea, those creeks are at least 10 feet deep in the center and moving right along when they are flooded like that. As you can see, it isn't an featureless channel either.
There is still a thriving Redneck community here in Santa Rosa and surrounding areas and while not bad people, they tend not to be the most thoughtful and introspective. I'll bet good $ the boots worn were cowboy boots or work boots (Redwing?) and the there was some Carhartt or Lee apparel involved, possibly camo as well. The waiting truck was a Chevy 4x4 or Ford diesel as well.

/They were white
//Does that make me racist?


See, the BUT I PAY TAXES line made me think of entitled children of wealthier parents. Now the guy who drown a while back in Windsor because he decided to get drunk while fishing in the middle of a lake while simultaneously NOT KNOWING HOW TO SWIM in an area without a lifeguard, that to me screamed redneck for some reason.
 
2014-02-11 08:17:37 AM

Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.


I know when I was a paramedic, I always took treatment advice from belligerent drunken assholes with no training and contempt for my profession. I'm sure your douchebag commentary and retarded diagnosis was far more accurate than the guy who is actually trained to make those judgements.
 
2014-02-11 08:20:50 AM

the ha ha guy: Yup, those damn cops and ret-a-docs are always out to assault people and put them in jail for no reason.


Not sure about "ret-a-docs", but I find the cops part to be believable.
 
2014-02-11 09:38:45 AM

Honest Bender: I don't biatch about doing my job.


Either you're not human or your job consists of receiving blowjobs from supermodels all day...
 
2014-02-11 09:44:27 AM

RobSeace: Honest Bender: I don't biatch about doing my job.

Either you're not human or your job consists of receiving blowjobs from supermodels all day...


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/the whining would get on your nerves
 
2014-02-11 09:51:36 AM

RobSeace: Honest Bender: I don't biatch about doing my job.

Either you're not human or your job consists of receiving blowjobs from supermodels all day...


Is it really so difficult to believe that I enjoy my job?
 
2014-02-11 10:38:52 AM

Honest Bender: RobSeace: Honest Bender: I don't biatch about doing my job.

Either you're not human or your job consists of receiving blowjobs from supermodels all day...

Is it really so difficult to believe that I enjoy my job?


No, it's difficult to believe you've never once complained about it, though... I enjoy the hell out of my job... But, no matter how enjoyable what you do is, everyone occassionally gets annoyed or burned out on it... Hell, even recreational activities that people choose to do for fun sometimes piss them off and cause them to complain!

So, yeah... Either you weren't entirely truthful there, or you're actually a robot... (But, obviously not Bender, since he complains all the time!)
 
2014-02-11 10:39:58 AM

Millions_Knives: I'll make an (likely accurate) assumption, saying that although our retarded adventures pay taxes, they don't vote.


I'm betting that they vote Republican.
 
2014-02-11 11:17:08 AM
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I say, let em drown!
 
2014-02-11 02:26:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: jshine: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...

Stage 6 rapids


Class 6 means a rapid is not normally runnable in whitewater craft, typically a waterfall with a drop more than 10-12 feet.  These two probably had a Sevylor raft, toy paddles, and no skills.  They could easily have been flipped by a class 3 rapid.

Out west the most popular whitewater runs often do have fee-based permitting requirements in the summer.  Enforcement is lax, but if you need to be rescued and did not pay, you get dinged.
 
2014-02-11 08:34:36 PM

Abacus9: DrBenway: Abacus9: ongbok: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.

Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.

Hmmm, that post right there tells me you have zero reading comprehension. There were about ten of us, as it was a bachelor party. I only accused the one paramedic and the one cop of being assholes. And they were. My friend got beat up for having the balls to go back inside to get his phone. The cop was an asshole for refusing to even look into it, the paramed was an asshole for refusing to care for my friend, ...


You should try digging up instead, man.
 
2014-02-11 10:14:17 PM

Bender The Offender: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.

I know when I was a paramedic, I always took treatment advice from belligerent drunken assholes with no training and contempt for my profession. I'm sure your douchebag commentary and retarded diagnosis was far more accurate than the guy who is actually trained to make those judgements.


I've never had anything against paramedics. Just this particular one. You've never dealt with Detroit public workers, have you. As it turns out, my friend had a broken nose, and had to give up his best man duties.

For the rest, we weren't drunk or belligerent. You're only showing your ignorance when you're judging a situation you didn't witness.
 
2014-02-11 10:28:08 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Gyrfalcon: jshine: humanshrapnel: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...

Stage 6 rapids

Class 6 means a rapid is not normally runnable in whitewater craft, typically a waterfall with a drop more than 10-12 feet.  These two probably had a Sevylor raft, toy paddles, and no skills.  They could easily have been flipped by a class 3 rapid.

Out west the most popular whitewater runs often do have fee-based permitting requirements in the summer.  Enforcement is lax, but if you need to be rescued and did not pay, you get dinged.


(Yes, I know.)
 
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