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(Santa Rosa Press Democrat)   Kindasorta news: Dummies take inflatable raft down a swollen creek during a rain storm (sans life jackets) and get stuck in debris. Fark: Dumbass #1's quote: "It they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be rescuing people for a living. I pay taxes"   (pressdemocrat.com) divider line 144
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2014-02-10 08:11:02 PM

Car_Ramrod: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

Two guys get bored and toss lit matches at oily rags in their garage. House catches on fire. Fire department comes and saves them, puts out fire.

Fire chief says, "They put themselves at risk and they put the rescuers at risk. It was totally unnecessary and entirely preventable."

Guys say, "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be fighting fires for a living. I pay taxes."

See how stupid that is? I'm sure rescue personnel are more than happy to save people that need saving through no fault of their own. Saving dumbasses like these? Not quite.


Wouldn't it be nice if Fire chiefs, EMT's and rescue personnel could evaluate situations in advance, assign blame, and refuse to offer services?
 
2014-02-10 08:11:18 PM

Pribar: A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


A small group got turned around after a day of hiking in an area near me, you are always within a mile or two from a heavily traveled road. They ended up at a Boy Scout Camp, about a mile from the trail head, where they met the caretaker in a truck. He instructed them to walk down the road to the office and he'd call someone to come get them. They freaked out that he wasn't going to drive them down the road. They freaked out so much they walked the other direction and needed to be tracked down in the dead of night. I never found out if they were charged any money to go get them. I would have let the idiots wander around all night since they were in okay condition when the caretaker talked to them and he was more than willing to help them if they just walked a couple hundred yards more.
 
2014-02-10 08:11:50 PM

lordjupiter: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

And he may never live to pay it all back if he keeps acting like an entitled reckless dumbass.

First thing I thought when I saw the quote in the headline was "male, under 25, probably white".  First two confirmed, would still bet on the last.


You can bet that it really pisses him off that .05 cents of "His Tax Dollar" goes for food stamps, though..
 
2014-02-10 08:12:46 PM

Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


No? Not ever, bender-of-honest? Huh. I bet you brown-nose like a motherfarker, though.
 
2014-02-10 08:12:56 PM

Car_Ramrod: Two guys get bored and toss lit matches at oily rags in their garage. House catches on fire. Fire department comes and saves them, puts out fire.

Fire chief says, "They put themselves at risk and they put the rescuers at risk. It was totally unnecessary and entirely preventable."

Guys say, "If they're so upset about it, they shouldn't be fighting fires for a living. I pay taxes."

See how stupid that is? I'm sure rescue personnel are more than happy to save people that need saving through no fault of their own. Saving dumbasses like these? Not quite.


I dont know... my wife is a firefighter, and she is extremely thankful when she gets to respond to a fire call due to an idiot instead of car accident caused by a moron.

/No such thing as an accident.  Only poor decisions.
 
2014-02-10 08:14:17 PM

DrBenway: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.

No? Not ever, bender-of-honest? Huh. I bet you brown-nose like a motherfarker, though.


Silence, Liquifactionist pig.
 
2014-02-10 08:14:59 PM
EMT Oath

Be it pledged as an Emergency Medical Technician, I will honor the physical and judicial laws of God and man. I will follow that regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of patients and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, nor shall I suggest any such counsel. Into whatever homes I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of only the sick and injured, never revealing what I see or hear in the lives of men unless required by law.

I shall also share my medical knowledge with those who may benefit from what I have learned. I will serve unselfishly and continuously in order to help make a better world for all mankind.

While I continue to keep this oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life, and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times. Should I trespass or violate this oath, may the reverse be my lot.

So help me God.
 
2014-02-10 08:15:53 PM

jso2897: lordjupiter: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

And he may never live to pay it all back if he keeps acting like an entitled reckless dumbass.

First thing I thought when I saw the quote in the headline was "male, under 25, probably white".  First two confirmed, would still bet on the last.

You can bet that it really pisses him off that .05 cents of "His Tax Dollar" goes for food stamps, though..


I wonder how much he paid for his fedora?
 
2014-02-10 08:20:27 PM

snuffy: send him the bill for the rescue, the aristocrats.


THAT along with a note saying "your taxes didn't cover this part".
 
2014-02-10 08:21:35 PM
I used to be a Ski Patrol member and we had some real idiots complain because something happened to them on a closed trail and we were not there to help them immediately.  They were like these guys who feel like they can do something stupid that puts them and others in danger and the rest of the world owes it to them to bail them out without comment.
 
2014-02-10 08:21:45 PM

lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.


If your rescue costs a lot.  There's no charge if you're a typical idiot who just ran out of water or got caught out after sundown without a flashlight.  They still have to send out volunteers to hunt you down, hand you a water bottle/flashlight and walk back with you.  This and people "lost" in the mountains and eventually found at a local bar (they get separated from their friends on a day hike and don't think to touch base again or they forget to check in with a person they told their plans to) account for most of the calls for my local volunteer rescue group.  They rarely get to do technical climbing rescues or use their avalanche dogs or any of the fun stuff they train for.
 
2014-02-10 08:25:55 PM
While I do think that people who do exceedingly stupid stuff ought to be responsible for a portion of the rescue bill, I'd still say rescue them first an ask questions later.
 
2014-02-10 08:27:50 PM
"Once there, they performed a swift-water rescue. That involved sending special life jackets across to the men, tying ropes to the jackets, and hauling them through the water to safety, explained Santa Rosa Battalion Chief Mark. Basque. Additional personnel were stationed downstream with ropes to catch the men if they were swept downstream. They were uninjured."

Not that it makes the guy any less of an ass, but did rescuers put their lives in danger by entering the water in this instance? How do they "send" lifejackets? Does someone take them ?
 
2014-02-10 08:29:26 PM

syrynxx: I just want to say the word "flotsam".  Flotsam.  It sounds like a quaint Dorset village.  Flotsam.


There's a good, woody word!
 
2014-02-10 08:30:40 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.

If your rescue costs a lot.  There's no charge if you're a typical idiot who just ran out of water or got caught out after sundown without a flashlight.  They still have to send out volunteers to hunt you down, hand you a water bottle/flashlight and walk back with you.  This and people "lost" in the mountains and eventually found at a local bar (they get separated from their friends on a day hike and don't think to touch base again or they forget to check in with a person they told their plans to) account for most of the calls for my local volunteer rescue group.  They rarely get to do technical climbing rescues or use their avalanche dogs or any of the fun stuff they train for.



When we were in Montrose, Nucla areas there was this one doctor who insisted on going to his cabin in the winter that was in the pass between the two.  He got snowed in so many times that they started a telephone chain.  "Oh, the Dr. got snowed in  again, Bob.  Grab your sled, it's your turn."   People were pretty cool about it and he gave free house calls to the people on the chain.
 
2014-02-10 08:34:47 PM

Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...


I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.
 
2014-02-10 08:35:43 PM
FTFA:  Bowman, his white shirt, jeans and boots soaked, said he and Sitzer launched their craft into Piner Creek near Marlow Road with the idea of reaching Willowside Road, where Sitzer had left his pickup truck.
The pair was unprepared for the whitewater conditions they faced once Piner merged with Santa Rosa Creek. They capsized somewhere near Fulton Road.


So, here is:

1. where they started
2. where they intended to go
3. about where they capsized

img.fark.net

That's more than 3.5 miles between 1 and 2, and it isn't even clear that the pickup truck was in drivable condition.

Way to go, nimrods.
 
2014-02-10 08:38:06 PM
As a Coastie mom, little gets my blood boiling more than idiots who put rescuers at risk due to boneheaded crap like this.
 
2014-02-10 08:43:37 PM
Easy easy solution. Disband rescue services. These "problems" will work themselves out eventually and my taxes can go to other better things.
 
2014-02-10 08:45:21 PM

Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).


Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.
 
2014-02-10 08:46:58 PM

Pribar: A few years ago I was part of a search team for a couple in their mid 50s that got lost while on a group hike, seems they wandered off on their own and got turned around. When they were found they were less than a quarter mile from a service road so the team that found em gave em water and started to escort them out when they announced that they were tired and demanded a rescue helo come pick em up, since they weren't injured or in distress the copter ride was refused. They pitched a hissy fit about being "forced" to walk to where a ranger truck could pick them up even trying to get their congressman involved, I was a volunteer so I was not able to find out how it ended but I cant see them getting very far.


/helos cost a lot to operate and even a routine mission can be very hazardous to the crews of both the helo and ground team.


I was on a SAR once for a "seriously injured hiker", got up there and he had a pretty bad sprained ankle.  I don't doubt for a moment that it hurt, it looked pretty painful.  I asked his buddy, who hiked down to call then lead us back up to him, why didn't you just help him down?  His answer was they didn't want to lose their packs....
 
2014-02-10 08:50:35 PM
Paging Hardinparamedic to the main tab.
 
2014-02-10 09:03:46 PM

Abacus9: Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).

Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.


Most do.

All these people in here. "People had to be rescued after making a rookie mistake in a well established hobby practiced by millions!" and they're upset?

Pfft. We're all young once.
 
2014-02-10 09:04:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.


Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.
 
2014-02-10 09:12:55 PM

doglover: Abacus9: Private_Citizen: what_now: Dude. You are 24 years old. Unless you invented a new type of pornography, there is no possible way you've paid into the system the amount that it just cost to rescue your dumb ass.

Some people pay taxes, other people cost taxes (especially when the cost of jail is figured in).

Most do both, unless they've never been employed. You seem to have a childishly simple understanding of things.

Most do.

All these people in here. "People had to be rescued after making a rookie mistake in a well established hobby practiced by millions!" and they're upset?

Pfft. We're all young once.



Here is the difference, I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water.  What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.  You break a window you are contrite and work at that neighbours yard until that window is paid off.  Same goes for these boys.  The amount of time and money you wasted you could make up volunteering or at least show your appreciation.  And the aforementioned has NOTHING to do with if the person is paid or a volunteer.  It's farking common courtesy and respect.  If these guys don't realise that then their parents are abject failures and this won't be the last time they wind up in hot water.
 
2014-02-10 09:12:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.


Yeah, that is along the lines of what I would expect him to say. I am not sure you have to do "everything" right, but check into things and get advice before you do them.

I used to day-hike a bunch and occasionally camp overnight. Sometimes I over-prepared. Mostly because of the memories of when I under-prepared (or just got screwed by weather that changed unexpectedly).
 
2014-02-10 09:13:17 PM
"Hello, 911"
"I know I wasn't supposed to *nervous splashing sounds* go into that river again, but....."
"We'll send someone right away, just stay calm"

As the operator kicks back in the breakroom with the rescuers, as they catch up on 'Whose Liine Is It Anyway' and call it a night.
 
2014-02-10 09:16:00 PM

sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.


Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.
 
2014-02-10 09:18:48 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


Jaime Diamond was a complete gentleman as he went before congress and lied his ass off about the need for his bank to be bailed out.
 
2014-02-10 09:22:44 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


I'm assuming you didn't read my post, even though you quoted it.  I raised my brother and I have a bunch of boys and I work with troubled teens.   And yes, it works if you start early enough.  Sure there will be bumps but if by the time they are legal they haven't acquired self awareness, respect, accountability and being able to say "Hey I farked up, sorry."  you need to rethink your parenting techniques.
 
2014-02-10 09:26:58 PM

doglover: Pfft. We're all young once.


Ummm. Yeah. Its Sonoma County. Most kids around there  *know*  just how bad the rivers and creeks get, especially during a storm. Young or not- thats not an excuse. Also- they sat there and shivered. I fell through ice on a lake when I was much younger than these asshats, and , once i pulled my ass out- I was smart enough to know that if I didnt keep moving, I would die.Lucky for me, the old man was only about 1/4 mile away .
 
2014-02-10 09:27:07 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


I wonder what the Roofie Cowboy would have to say about this.
 
2014-02-10 09:27:51 PM

Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off like dumbasses who feel they're entitled to risk their lives being stupid and then biatching about the service when it gets there.

Yes, these guys "make a living" rescuing people as you say. They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble, not because you deliberately did everything WRONG and got your stupid ass into trouble because you were a fool. It's too bad people like this are incapable of comprehending that fine distinction.

Come on, you're smarter than that. Most people can make almost all the right decisions and fark up one small thing, and end up in trouble.

CSB: An old friend of mine got beat up by a bouncer once, for zero reason. Not only did the cops do nothing, one of the paramedics assaulted me because I dared suggest he do his job, which he never did. The officer that witnessed this made me apologize to the rent-a-doc. And while none of it made the news, you know how they can twist a story. Just saying, maybe the guy's an ass, but he's not necessarily wrong.


Hmmm. That statement right there tells me that your friend most likely got his ass beat by the bouncer for a reason, and you were also being an asshole. Plus in your story everybody was being an asshole except for you and your friend who where doing nothing. What's the old saying, if everybody you meet is an asshole, then it is you who are the asshole.
 
2014-02-10 09:28:54 PM

lostindenver: More states should do like colorado. We have a S&R fee tacked on to any fishing/hunting license. If you dont have one of the licenses you can and will get billed for the rescue.


They were not hunting or fishing they were rafting. Are you saying Colorado requires a hunting or fishing license to float down a creek in a raft?
 
2014-02-10 09:30:24 PM

Abacus9: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

I wonder what the Roofie Cowboy would have to say about this.


He would say "You won't remember this, but you got purty tailbones."
 
2014-02-10 09:33:28 PM

Spirit Hammer: I'm sure glad *I* never did anything stupid when I was young.

/never talk to reporters.
//unless you are imitating the sound that a tornado makes.
///cause that is awesome.


I did.  And afterward, I never said anything so self-centeredly selfish and stupid as that.
 
2014-02-10 09:42:38 PM
For some reason that "Dee Dee Dee" song by Carlos Mencia is running through my head.
 
2014-02-10 09:43:29 PM

sleeps in trees: you need to rethink your parenting techniques.



I didn't raise them, that's for sure. In this case, these two were dumb. Suicidally dumb. Those types don't tend to be very well mannered. In fact, they resent that someone smarter had to rescue them. It makes them seethe inside. So they'll be assholes to you if you yell at them, especially when it's their fault. So I just give it the credence of a green log out-gassing some steam in a campfire. Unless you're gonna drive down there and toss his ass back in the river, I don't see where getting upset helps. People like this are the very reason we have EMT and emergency services. If it wasn't for young men being dumb, 90% of societies problems would be gone.
 
2014-02-10 09:46:30 PM

sleeps in trees: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


The kid comes across as a self entitled twat.  The firefighters probably were upset because of that, not because they had to do their job.  We have this same problem with our volunteers in Search and Rescue.  People come to BC and think  "hey, we'll go off trail" or "I'm a good skiier I'll be fine going past the ropes".  The twatwaffles then feel offended when we ask them to reimburse.  I'ts not just the danger SAR  encounters.  They take away from their jobs, there is continuous training, cost of training the dogs (yes it is freaking expensive), the cost of gear, licensing, vehicles, gas, helicopters etc. depending on the situation.  This is all covered by taxes and fundraisers.   In some cases people have even tried to sue because they weren't there soon enough.

Like fire fighters, these guys and gals don't get paid nearly enough to put their lives on the line for honest accidents.  To get snotted out by someone who did a farking stupid thing is adding insult to injury.


This argument always comes off a little odd to me. I pay taxes for firemen to do things like this, not sit around the station and play cards over pizza. If it's volunteer SAR, someone is paying for the equipment - and asking for reimbursement goes against the volunteer aspect of the whole thing. If you do get money from it, I should just mobilize myself when this kind of stuff happens and undercut your prices. That way you can pick and choose the "emergencies" you go to on a moral and financial basis. Some states have this all figured out to be able to finance all the training and resources for non-judgmental rescues, apparently your state isn't one of them.

With your logic, the guy and his dog that called SAR should be paid.
 
2014-02-10 09:48:38 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: They risked their lives


That's their job.

Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.

It's not heroism, it's a day at the office.
 
2014-02-10 09:49:54 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: you need to rethink your parenting techniques.


I didn't raise them, that's for sure. In this case, these two were dumb. Suicidally dumb. Those types don't tend to be very well mannered. In fact, they resent that someone smarter had to rescue them. It makes them seethe inside. So they'll be assholes to you if you yell at them, especially when it's their fault. So I just give it the credence of a green log out-gassing some steam in a campfire. Unless you're gonna drive down there and toss his ass back in the river, I don't see where getting upset helps. People like this are the very reason we have EMT and emergency services. If it wasn't for young men being dumb, 90% of societies problems would be gone.



Eh, sorry that wasn't meant to be personal, I meant you in the vous sense.
 
2014-02-10 09:50:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: Unobtanium: Paging hardinparamedic to thread 8137180...

I'm sure you don't want to hear what he's got to say. Nothing gets medics and rescuers pissed off .... They would prefer it be because you did everything right and still got into trouble,...


By the way, thanks for the reminder: I'm in the potential path of this next southern ice storm, and this reminded me to make sure the LiPo external batteries for the cell phones are fully charged and to dig out some Cyalume sticks.
 
2014-02-10 09:52:33 PM

Hilary T. N. Seuss: If ever these dummies need rescuing again, I believe I would forego my pay for that day... to save those taxpayers some cash. I'm sure they'd thank me as their lungs fill with water.


I would not worry about it. You have zero chance of passing the Civil service psychological tests for a  first responder.
 
2014-02-10 09:56:40 PM
"There was a level of ignorance involved".

He's gonna owe the Tea Party a royalty for using their tag line.
 
2014-02-10 09:58:16 PM

sendtodave: Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.


No, in the the United States soldiers swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Pay and benefits come after that.
 
2014-02-10 10:01:47 PM

Rivetman1.0: sendtodave: Just like soldiers are paid to die for their country.

No, in the the United States soldiers swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. Pay and benefits come after that.


Eh, I'm just trollin.
 
2014-02-10 10:04:10 PM

Ficoce: sleeps in trees: Honest Bender: Well, he's got a point...
Those folks are specifically paid to rescue people.

I don't biatch about doing my job.


The kid comes across as a self entitled twat.  The firefighters probably were upset because of that, not because they had to do their job.  We have this same problem with our volunteers in Search and Rescue.  People come to BC and think  "hey, we'll go off trail" or "I'm a good skiier I'll be fine going past the ropes".  The twatwaffles then feel offended when we ask them to reimburse.  I'ts not just the danger SAR  encounters.  They take away from their jobs, there is continuous training, cost of training the dogs (yes it is freaking expensive), the cost of gear, licensing, vehicles, gas, helicopters etc. depending on the situation.  This is all covered by taxes and fundraisers.   In some cases people have even tried to sue because they weren't there soon enough.

Like fire fighters, these guys and gals don't get paid nearly enough to put their lives on the line for honest accidents.  To get snotted out by someone who did a farking stupid thing is adding insult to injury.

This argument always comes off a little odd to me. I pay taxes for firemen to do things like this, not sit around the station and play cards over pizza. If it's volunteer SAR, someone is paying for the equipment - and asking for reimbursement goes against the volunteer aspect of the whole thing. If you do get money from it, I should just mobilize myself when this kind of stuff happens and undercut your prices. That way you can pick and choose the "emergencies" you go to on a moral and financial basis. Some states have this all figured out to be able to finance all the training and resources for non-judgmental rescues, apparently your state isn't one of them.

With your logic, the guy and his dog that called SAR should be paid.



SAR is not a bunch of firefighters sitting around eating pizza (which they rarely do due to equipment upkeep etc.)  therefore I don't understand the comparison.  No one is asking for their time to be paid for nor their training.  Equipment is usually paid for by volunteers and fund raisers if at all possible with small grants (I'm not in a state).  There is no reimbursement for hours spent, and dog training etc.  Asking for immediate reimbursement usually happens when a helicopter is brought in and it was a deliberate situation.  Like I said, skiing out of bounds where it is clearly posted etc.  So your argument doesn't make sense to me.

Who is the guy and his dog that called SAR and why should they be paid?
 
2014-02-10 10:06:26 PM
Anytime someone uses the "I pay taxes" defense, I assume they're talking about cigarettes and boxed wine.
 
2014-02-10 10:12:32 PM

doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.


Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?
 
2014-02-10 10:17:54 PM

addy2: doglover: sleeps in trees: I fully expect one of my boys or their friends will get into hot water. What I don't expect is being rude, unrepentant and disrespectful to those who bail them out.

Have you met kids? Like... ever? Hell, look at the attitude bankers have towards us even after the bailout.

Wasn't this a 24 year old "kid"?


24 is a kid. Ask any 30+ year old.
 
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