Boojum2k: cptjeff: I can't page a few pages back to glance at something somebody said that relates to what's going on in the plot now. I can't intuitively keep track of my progress in the story. It's all just kind of there until you're done. You don't know when you're getting close. Sure, you can look up the page numbers, but it's not the same.I can, not as easily as with paper, but not too much more difficult. Of course, by focusing on doing that, I probably don't know half of the rest of the capabilities of my Kindle. Much like my phone.
cptjeff: Boojum2k: cptjeff: The thing with classics, in any genre or medium, is that the garbage gets filtered out. Only the most stellar works really get remembered. There was plenty of self-indulgent wankery in the past too, but people stopped reading those books.*cough* The Scarlet Letter *cough*Despite being awful to read, it was a pretty influential social critique. It's a fair point, but for every Scarlet Letter there's a Hunchback of Notre Dame.
cptjeff: Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to take a chunk out of "Grand Inquests: The Historic Impeachments of Justice Samuel Chase and President Andrew Johnson", by William Rehnquist. 1992, cardboard binding with cloth spine. Reads like his judicial opinions, which is to say that it's pretty clearly and concisely written.
Gyrfalcon: This is not new news. It's always been true.Any idiot can write a book, and any solvent idiot can get one published.But nobody can make other idiots READ their book, and that's where the money is.
Boojum2k: Okay, granted, but can you define why in objective terms?
Mjeck: I wrote a book about a boy who grew up in heaven, but was unhappy and decided to eacape. No publisher or agent gave a shiat. So now i just write and drink for myself
NetOwl: I like these two examples because they avoid the problems I associate with their peers. Pynchon's writing is fun. His books aren't boring slogfests full of indulgent navel-gazing, even when they're difficult. Writing quality aside, I can stomach his books a lot better than most wannabe serious literature. Stephenson's books avoid falling into the trap of being cheap. He may not have a particularly distinctive voice, but at least I can read his books without constantly thinking, "That paragraph needs to be fixed! So ugly."
ThatGuyFromTheInternet: /Science fiction.//up to 26,000 words now.
Boojum2k: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: /Science fiction.//up to 26,000 words now.I could give you a review on it in less than 15 minutes.
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: mephox: To be fair, he's right.It's true. Really, until you've seen the slushpile of what is submitted to publishers, you can't believe it. 140 page long books that are a single run-on sentence. Books that are written in all caps. Hundreds of pages of racist screeds and books that people will swear up and down were written through them by Jesus or God or King Arthur.
CourtroomWolf: It's just like with video games. Removing a lot of the barriers to entry completely ruined PC gaming!
TheZorker: So is this the proper place to shill my own fantasy novel?Link[d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 312x475]
Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: This is not new news. It's always been true.Any idiot can write a book, and any solvent idiot can get one published.But nobody can make other idiots READ their book, and that's where the money is.http://www.amazon.com/How-Sold-Million-eBooks-Months-ebookHe left out the part where he bought positive reviews early on, but he did include the part where he posted on his blog "Michael J. Fox" and "Parkinson's" after Mr. Fox was in the news in the hope of showing up in Google results.He also has fairly sound advice for schlocky authors: don't publish your first book until you have three in a series done, set your web presence up before you publish, and tease, tease, tease about the next book. To my knowledge, he doesn't have a single book that hasn't spun into a series. To rope in female readers who were put off by a male writer, he created a female pseudonym and started publishing under that.He writes crap, which he freely acknowledges. He's also laughing all the way to the bank.
Gyrfalcon: Because anyone can do what this douche is doing: write crap and make money. And if that's the only reason you're writing, then fine. Most authors like to at least imagine their stuff will be around after they are dead, which is the other reason one writes. This guy will be forgotten in another year. And that's okay--if all he wants is a quick buck.
Gyrfalcon: If money is all you love, then that's what you'll receive.
Gyrfalcon: The next question all authors need to ask: Do they want to be rich or remembered?
SVenus: Gyrfalcon: The next question all authors need to ask: Do they want to be rich or remembered?With Amazon, there's another calculation to make WRT to your point.Real Life Example. Read what I posted above. We've profited from Amazon.Author Friend of spouse was multi published, but stuck in mid-list (these are all pulp writers I'm speaking of here, nobody has delusions of anything past that)and her next book had interest from multiple publishers (hooray for her! bidding wars are fun and profitable)Alas, the bidding war in this case was only a moderate one.One of the publishers was Amazon. Spouse and I told Author Friend to ignore Big Five publishing houses' offers, go with Amazon.Problem: Amazon's publishing means no other sales besides Amazon. No Barnes&Noble, etc.And that means, no matter how big your sales are at Amazon, you will NOT get on New York Times Bestseller List. Ditto for USAToday's ListAuthor Friend understood this, chose to reject Amazon and go with Big Five publishing house with a higher advance, promise of some promo, and hope for NYT Bestseller status.With Amazon and an ad on the front of Kindles everywhere, the lower proposed Amazon advance would have likely paid out in less than five days, and equating the publishing house's higher advance just a few days after that.It's the potential glory of the New York Times Bestseller List that is still the lure for some, and definitely our Author Friend.In our case, we know the raw sales numbers, and have guessed how high up on the NYT List spouse's book would have gone.It doesn't matter, because we chose the money.
The hopeless imp: Unless I misunderstand something somewhere, Amazon isn't a publisher, just a distributor.
Boojum2k: The hopeless imp: Unless I misunderstand something somewhere, Amazon isn't a publisher, just a distributor.Amazon does have both print and ebook publishing services.
AliceBToklasLives: Boojum2k: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: /Science fiction.//up to 26,000 words now.I could give you a review on it in less than 15 minutes.I could give you a review in about 2 1/2 hours.
The hopeless imp: Unless I misunderstand something somewhere, Amazon isn't a publisher, just a distributor. You put your book on there, on B&N, on Sony, on fictionwise.com, etc. etc. etc.
SVenus: The hopeless imp: Unless I misunderstand something somewhere, Amazon isn't a publisher, just a distributor. You put your book on there, on B&N, on Sony, on fictionwise.com, etc. etc. etc.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_PublishingFor example, 47 North is the SciFi imprint, Montlake is the Romance imprint, and Thomas & Mercer publish mysteries.100% Amazon owned and operated.Day One is a literary journal that Amazon purchased last year. ("Day One" as a name for an imprint is important to Bezos, BTW)Authors are jumping over themselves in an effort to get published by Amazon.
ds615: Being able to mash a keyboard doesn't make you a writer.If you are "writing a book" right now, and you have ever thought about "word count", you're not a writer. You've missed the point, and you have no talent or skill. Sorry, move on.Making it easy for any idiot to do it means that any idiot is going to do it.
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