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(MSNBC)   Same-day voter registration is among the most effective ways to boost participation in the election process. Naturally Republicans have a problem with this   (msnbc.com) divider line 176
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2014-02-10 02:17:06 PM  
they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.
 
2014-02-10 02:33:30 PM  
But supporters of the GOP initiative say it ups the chances for fraud

How? If anything, same day registration increases the chances that that particular voter isn't fraudulent.

That's a rhetorical question, of course. I realize they just don't want young people, poors, and minorities voting, and who could blame them really?
 
2014-02-10 02:38:07 PM  

FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.


Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.
 
2014-02-10 03:10:37 PM  

sigdiamond2000: But supporters of the GOP initiative say it ups the chances for fraud


actual, bona fide voter fraud (not voter registration fraud) is extremely rare, and seems to be most often perpetrated by republicans.
 
2014-02-10 03:13:46 PM  

sigdiamond2000: But supporters of the GOP initiative say it ups the chances for fraud

How? If anything, same day registration increases the chances that that particular voter isn't fraudulent.

That's a rhetorical question, of course. I realize they just don't want young people, poors, and minorities voting, and who could blame them really?


God forbid people vote
 
2014-02-10 03:17:38 PM  
 
2014-02-10 03:21:29 PM  

sigdiamond2000: But supporters of the GOP initiative say it ups the chances for fraud

How? If anything, same day registration increases the chances that that particular voter isn't fraudulent.

That's a rhetorical question, of course. I realize they just don't want young people, poors, and minorities voting, and who could blame them really?


Why, if we let the riff-raff vote, us white southerners wearing white suits, or WSWWS, may have our rightful power seized by the underclass. Dear lord, I do believe I'm getting the vapors just imagining such a scenario.
 
2014-02-10 03:22:07 PM  
I'd love to see some democrat propose mandatory voting for all US citizens.

Not that I'm actually thinking that this would happen, but it would certainly be entertainment GOLD to see so many GOP heads explode simultaneously.
 
2014-02-10 03:22:57 PM  
Somehow I doubt that will change which party Montana will vote come election time.
 
2014-02-10 03:24:26 PM  
I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

I'm perfectly willing to make an exception to that for first time 18 year old voters and people who can show they've moved into a new residence within the past 30 days.

It's not as if registering to vote is difficult.
 
2014-02-10 03:26:25 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

I'm perfectly willing to make an exception to that for first time 18 year old voters and people who can show they've moved into a new residence within the past 30 days.

It's not as if registering to vote is difficult.


That's a valid reason to frown at them, but not a valid reason to block them.
 
2014-02-10 03:27:02 PM  

Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.


Perhaps a literacy test?
 
2014-02-10 03:28:00 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.


How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?
 
2014-02-10 03:28:41 PM  

ristst: I'd love to see some democrat propose mandatory voting for all US citizens.

Not that I'm actually thinking that this would happen, but it would certainly be entertainment GOLD to see so many GOP heads explode simultaneously.


if the GOP truly loved america, they'd allow the law to be changed to have election day be a holiday. better yet, they'd do what they do in switzerland - have it over a weekend, so everyone can vote.

but they hate america, so they'll never let that happen.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:07 PM  

foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?


No, I know.  They can just pay some kind of late registration fee.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:25 PM  
FTFA: A GOP-backed bill passed last year by state legislators would let Montanans vote this November on whether to end same-day registration.

Ironically, voters will be able to register on the same day they vote on the referendum that will decide whether or not people can register on the same day they vote. I can't help but wonder how many people will register to vote on the same day they vote against allowing anyone else to do so in the future.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:38 PM  

FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.


To them, only republicans have the right to vote.
 
2014-02-10 03:31:41 PM  
Voting is not a right. Voting is a privilege.
 
2014-02-10 03:32:45 PM  
It's a simple fact that the higher the voter turnout, the worse it is for the GOP. Period. So, of course they look to limit the numbers as much as they can.

The only chance they have of winning is limiting the vote as much as they possibly can to old white people who feel frightened, angry, and displaced by the acknowledgement of other people, ideas, and cultures.

"Latter 20th century ruralism/suburbanism forever please!!! It's the only thing I know and understand! A world without Blue Light Specials and Piccadilly Cafeteria is a world I want no part of!!! Be Kind, Rewind!"
 
2014-02-10 03:34:10 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?


Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.
 
2014-02-10 03:34:26 PM  
I bet some of those same-day registrants even own refrigerators.
 
2014-02-10 03:34:46 PM  
image.tmdb.org What would Harry Rex the GOP do? Cheat. Cheat like hell.
 
2014-02-10 03:36:38 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


Some of the people who vote all the time are consistently less informed about public issues than people who vote less frequently or don't even vote at all.
 
2014-02-10 03:37:10 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

I'm perfectly willing to make an exception to that for first time 18 year old voters and people who can show they've moved into a new residence within the past 30 days.

It's not as if registering to vote is difficult.


So if someone who lives in a same day voter state goes to the polls and registers knowing he/she can register the day he/she arrives because that's the law in that state, that somehow makes them uninformed?

[quizzicaldog.jpg]
 
2014-02-10 03:37:11 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


Clearly they do care, as they're attempting to vote. Who else do you think "isn't worth hearing" when it comes time to vote?
 
2014-02-10 03:37:12 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


You've failed to demonstrate that an unregistered voter is uninformed.
 
2014-02-10 03:38:11 PM  

foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?


Proof that they own property?
 
2014-02-10 03:39:29 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


That doesn't answer the question. I could be registered for years and still not know any of the candidates.

Maybe here is a better question. How long should one be registered before you consider them "informed?" 30 days? 3 months? A year?
 
2014-02-10 03:39:48 PM  
The GOP has done a great job of keeping the narrative about all their disenfranchisement efforts solely focused on voter ID, I'm surprised to see the wimpy media mentioning the other parts of their campaign.
 
2014-02-10 03:40:01 PM  
Conservatives see voters as the enemy.
 
2014-02-10 03:40:08 PM  

gingerjet: foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?

Proof that they own property?


Beards.  It's the only way.
 
2014-02-10 03:40:25 PM  
If you can't win, change the rules. But be careful, it might just make them more determined to vote. Catch 22, hopefully.
 
2014-02-10 03:42:13 PM  

ristst: I'd love to see some democrat propose mandatory voting for all US citizens.

Not that I'm actually thinking that this would happen, but it would certainly be entertainment GOLD to see so many GOP heads explode simultaneously.


Better idea: make it a referendum.

Then people who don't want to vote need to decide if they should register to vote so that they can vote against their needing to vote.

THAT could cause heads to explode.
 
2014-02-10 03:42:42 PM  

FlashHarry: ristst: I'd love to see some democrat propose mandatory voting for all US citizens.

Not that I'm actually thinking that this would happen, but it would certainly be entertainment GOLD to see so many GOP heads explode simultaneously.

if the GOP truly loved america, they'd allow the law to be changed to have election day be a holiday. better yet, they'd do what they do in switzerland - have it over a weekend, so everyone can vote.

but they hate america, so they'll never let that happen.


Even better: we can vote by mail.
 
2014-02-10 03:43:03 PM  

gingerjet: foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?

Proof that they own property?


 will a  marriage certificate or slave purchase receipt work as well.

/if accompanied by NRA membership card.
 
2014-02-10 03:43:12 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


But people who do same-day registration do care enough about voting to register.  Specifically, they register the same day they vote.
 
2014-02-10 03:44:13 PM  
The Republitards are truly afraid of an unprecedented voter turnout, and what the people will say.
The barricades are coming down!
DOOM!
 
2014-02-10 03:44:14 PM  
Love the system we have in Canada.   Get card in mail, on election day, go to polling station, wait for an average of 1 minute, then give the card and show id to worker.  One worker checks my ID then highlights my name on the voter list (I think I have to initial it as well), then another worker gives me a ballot.  Go to station, mark my vote(s) then slip it into the box.  Done in usually 3 minutes.
 
2014-02-10 03:44:17 PM  

MightyPez: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.

That doesn't answer the question. I could be registered for years and still not know any of the candidates.

Maybe here is a better question. How long should one be registered before you consider them "informed?" 30 days? 3 months? A year?


Perhaps voters should be made to take some sort of test in order to be able to prove that they're "informed". I'm sure the states will craft balanced tests that the election day polling volunteers will grade fairly and accurately.
 
2014-02-10 03:47:23 PM  

Rixel: Love the system we have in Canada.   Get card in mail, on election day, go to polling station, wait for an average of 1 minute, then give the card and show id to worker.  One worker checks my ID then highlights my name on the voter list (I think I have to initial it as well), then another worker gives me a ballot.  Go to station, mark my vote(s) then slip it into the box.  Done in usually 3 minutes.


You forgot the first step: Check box on tax return to register.

Or you just go to the polling place and register there.
 
2014-02-10 03:47:33 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: gingerjet: foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?

Proof that they own property?

Beards.  It's the only way.


Problem:
i.imgur.com

Bearded ladies.  The GOP would definitely have a problem with them voting.
 
2014-02-10 03:47:59 PM  

ristst: but it would certainly be entertainment GOLD to see so many GOP heads explode simultaneously.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting

As a Brazilian citizen I'm required to vote in Brazil.

Brazil - Compulsory for citizens between 18 and 70 years old. Non-compulsory for unregistered citizens aged 16 or 17. A justification form for not voting can be filled at election centers and post offices
 
2014-02-10 03:48:50 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


So we should put hurdles in the path of people's ability to register as a litmus to see if they "care enough" to participate?

Perhaps you can write us a guide on what you deem to be "informed" and thus "useful"?

Or better yet, a list of things 'No Good Voter' would ever forget or overlook.

You have a point,
it's just your entire premise is built on potato.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. And our rights are not contingent on a person(s) understanding, interest, apathy, or anything else.

Hell, we should probably just ditch registration entirely and smear some purple cell-dye on your fingers after voting and send you on your way.
 
2014-02-10 03:49:13 PM  
I could get behind this. I just need two tiny things.

1) A recognized form of photo ID.
2) Also, lets move Election Day to April 15th. Call it "Government Day". Easier to remember.

Let's compromise (for a change... Maybe I could live without #2, for example).
 
2014-02-10 03:49:17 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: gingerjet: foo monkey: Serious Black: FlashHarry: they really, really do hate the idea that all american adults have a right to vote.

Only intelligent people should have the right to vote. How do we know somebody is intelligent? Ask them who they plan to vote for.

Perhaps a literacy test?

Proof that they own property?

Beards.  It's the only way.


So only the wives of Republicans can vote?
 
2014-02-10 03:50:06 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.


Right... so you're the guy that gets to decide who can vote and who can't...
 
2014-02-10 03:51:14 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: I have a problem with it because an uninformed voter is a useless voter.  I don't think that the voices of people who cannot bother to register to vote prior to an election are worth hearing.

How does not registering mean you're uninformed on the issues?

Yeah right, you spent so much time researching who was running for school board and water commissioner you forgot to register right?

Registration is easy and you essentially need to do it only once each time you move.  If you don't care enough to register, you don't care.


Numerous republican pundits didn't care enough to figure out that Romney was not going to win in a landslide.
 
2014-02-10 03:53:01 PM  

Rixel: Love the system we have in Canada.   Get card in mail, on election day, go to polling station, wait for an average of 1 minute, then give the card and show id to worker.  One worker checks my ID then highlights my name on the voter list (I think I have to initial it as well), then another worker gives me a ballot.  Go to station, mark my vote(s) then slip it into the box.  Done in usually 3 minutes.


That sounds risky. without your card, 3 forms of picture ID, fingerprints, DNA sample, and retina scan, how can we be sure that you're Rixel, and not Relix?
 
2014-02-10 03:54:21 PM  
It's amazing how transparent the GOP's actual goals with all this nonsense are... The want to disenfranchise voters, simple as that.

There is no compelling evidence for any of this bullshiat the GOP is pushing with regards to Voter ID, same day registration, etc. None. Zero.

This bullshiat should be fought tooth and nail. Every politician pushing this crap should be ashamed of themselves, but, of course, these assholes are shameless and so are their supporters.
 
2014-02-10 03:55:09 PM  
Best and easiest way to boost that number is to give people something they want to vote for.
 
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