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(WIVB)   Local community organizer who advocated passage of the NY SAFE act that forbids firearms on school grounds arrested for...wait for it   (wivb.com) divider line 280
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2014-02-10 01:54:47 PM
Whoda thunk it?
 
2014-02-10 03:03:58 PM
Firearms were not permitted in schools before the SAFE Act.  SAFE just bumped it up to a felony status.
 
2014-02-10 03:07:04 PM
In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.
 
2014-02-10 03:08:12 PM

HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.


Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.
 
2014-02-10 03:09:07 PM

Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.


Nope. They work as intended.
 
2014-02-10 03:09:10 PM
Same level of hypocrisy as Diane Feinstein, who presses to strip all gun rights from the citizens while she has her own concealed carry permit.
 
2014-02-10 03:09:32 PM
Having sex with a dead dog?

What do I win?
 
2014-02-10 03:09:48 PM
Good.
 
2014-02-10 03:10:04 PM
Related:

McGruff the Crime Dog actor sentenced to 16 years in prison

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/8/mcgruff-crime-dog-act or -sentenced-16-years-prison/

HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.


'Splain, por favor.
 
2014-02-10 03:10:49 PM
Just a sad reminder how everything boil downs to crossing our fingers that your kid doesn't get shot at school.
 
2014-02-10 03:12:04 PM
Gun Nerds assemble!  You must defend the guns!
 
2014-02-10 03:12:16 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.


If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?
 
2014-02-10 03:13:48 PM

Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?


Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.
 
2014-02-10 03:13:56 PM

Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

 
2014-02-10 03:14:24 PM

LessO2: Just a sad reminder how everything boil downs to crossing our fingers that your kid doesn't get shot at school. that the media is swinging us back and forth like a cat strapped to a tether ball.


The world is getting safer.  You just hear more about bad things, because if it bleeds then it leads.
 
2014-02-10 03:14:47 PM
So the armed SWAT team that entered the school was likewise charged?  Zero tolerance is zero tolerance, right?
 
2014-02-10 03:14:56 PM

LessO2: Just a sad reminder how everything boil downs to crossing our fingers that your kid doesn't get shot at school.


More likely events:
run over crossing the street.
hit while riding a bicycle.
struck by lightning.

What does making it legal for random armed idiots to walk into schools do to that probability?
 
2014-02-10 03:15:14 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?


That phrase was intended.  thanks for noticing.
 
2014-02-10 03:15:40 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.


Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?
 
2014-02-10 03:15:44 PM
"Local community organizer" -- stopped caring right there.
 
2014-02-10 03:16:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.


No, he had a good point.  Before gun free zone laws, shooters went into the pre-kindergarten rooms worried which one of those toddlers might be packing.  Now, without a gun, there is literally no way to resist or fight back.  Not a single way.
 
2014-02-10 03:17:11 PM

Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?


The boobie prize:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-10 03:17:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.


Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?  Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

Go ahead.  Take your time.

(The last two sentences, [one incomplete], are intended.)
 
2014-02-10 03:17:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.


Ahh, the classic Farklib line of argumentation.  Cast the magical incantation "Herp Derp" and you've "won" the argument without having to substantiate anything.
 
2014-02-10 03:18:10 PM
.....dary!
 
2014-02-10 03:18:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.


Wait, is that bumper sticker wisdom?
 
2014-02-10 03:18:50 PM

YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?


WHYCOME DEY SENDIN LAW 'BIDIN PEOPLE TO JAIL
 
2014-02-10 03:19:12 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.


They make voters with no critical thinking skills feel like their children are safer?
 
2014-02-10 03:19:30 PM
Another "Do as I say" jackass...  Gotta love people who think laws they supported don't apply to them.
 
2014-02-10 03:20:40 PM

Mell of a Hess: LessO2: Just a sad reminder that the media is swinging us back and forth like a cat strapped to a tether ball.
media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com

 
2014-02-10 03:20:40 PM

Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?


It's the one you're getting.

 Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.
 
2014-02-10 03:21:40 PM

Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?


Whoa. I HATE guns, but when you're right, you're right.
 
2014-02-10 03:23:12 PM

lindalouwho: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Whoa. I HATE guns, but when you're right, you're right.


LOL

It's astounding that you can't pick up the inherent flaw in this bumper sticker.
 
2014-02-10 03:27:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

 Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.


The intent is to enhance safety at schools.  So what , exactly, does the law do that enhances safety at schools?  What evidence do you have that this law decreased the number of shootings, accidental or otherwise, at schools?

Show your work.
 
2014-02-10 03:27:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: lindalouwho: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Whoa. I HATE guns, but when you're right, you're right.

LOL

It's astounding that you can't pick up the inherent flaw in this bumper sticker.


Can't win them all. Care to explain your position?
 
2014-02-10 03:28:03 PM

YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?


You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime. The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.
 
2014-02-10 03:28:37 PM
That's pretty ironic; he organized the whole "the sky is falling" crowd to get this law passed. Now he's accused of two felonies and if he's convicted; he can't own guns anymore.

/ let me get out my smallest violin
 
2014-02-10 03:28:41 PM

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

 Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

The intent is to enhance safety at schools.  So what , exactly, does the law do that enhances safety at schools?  What evidence do you have that this law decreased the number of shootings, accidental or otherwise, at schools?

Show your work.


I think by this point in the thread it should be obvious he's not here to engage in intelligent debate.

/yes, I bit earlier
 
2014-02-10 03:29:02 PM
Typical of the Democrats.  You can't have guns, but I can.  Much like you will find Republicans who hate gays in airport bathroom stalls across the nation, or Tea Partiers riding around on their government-purchased Rascal scooters.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

WHYCOME DEY SENDIN LAW 'BIDIN PEOPLE TO JAIL


Dude, you're getting hammered.  Do you want to go do some research and get back with us?

motleydogs.com
 
2014-02-10 03:31:20 PM

Dimensio: YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime.


Nonsense, I'm fully in favor of neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime.

 The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.

As the news tells us daily, today's responsible gun owner is tomorrow's family killer/office slayer. It's just a shame that gun owners turn out to be irresponsible people so often. We've tried to work with them.
 
2014-02-10 03:33:46 PM

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mell of a Hess: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

If by that you mean that they notify people who wish to do harm to others that, if they're carrying a gun in a gun free zone, then they should not fear any immediate reprisal or resistance?

What do I win?

Herpa dee derpa dee do, friend.

Is that the 'splainin I was asking for?

It's the one you're getting.

 Please tell me why you think they work as intended, and while you're at it, tell me what the intention is.

You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

The intent is to enhance safety at schools.


Partially.

What I really love is the people that biatch about these laws the most are the reason they were enacted in the first place.
 
2014-02-10 03:33:48 PM

HotWingConspiracy: You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.


This is a pretty classic "nuh-uh" style of argumentation.  Make an assertion, imply anyone who disagrees with the assertion is stupid and/or evil, and when challenged to substantiate the assertion, respond with

a) "it's not my job to fix your racism/classism/homophobia/sizism/looksism/your character flaw.

b) "you can use Google just as well as I can"

c) "everyone knows this, the facts are out there"
 
2014-02-10 03:34:35 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dimensio: YixilTesiphon: HotWingConspiracy: Mr. Eugenides: HotWingConspiracy: In this thread, dullards will employ bumper sticker wisdom to show the world they can't understand the utility of a gun free zone.

Surely you meant to type futility, not utility.

Nope. They work as intended.

Sending people who haven't harmed others to jail, while doing nothing about those who intend to cause harm?

You are correct. HotWindConspiracy is unconcerned with reducing violent crime.

Nonsense, I'm fully in favor of neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime.

 The only worthwhile firearm laws are those that cause inconvenience to lawful firearm owners; whether violence is affected is immaterial. If, somehow, a firearm regulation caused an increase in violent incidents yet still substantially inconvenienced firearm owners, HotWingConspiracy would consider the regulation to be worthwhile.

As the news tells us daily, today's responsible gun owner is tomorrow's family killer/office slayer. It's just a shame that gun owners turn out to be irresponsible people so often. We've tried to work with them.


Egad.  I don't call people names on FARK, but

neutering those that traffic and trade in weapons used in violent crime?

and

today's responsible gun owner is tomorrow's family killer/office slayer.

WTF are you talking about?
 
2014-02-10 03:34:50 PM

DanInKansas: HotWingConspiracy: You can read the laws as easily as I can. I'll give you a hint though, it was never argued that they would create magical force fields that guns cannot pass through.

This is a pretty classic "nuh-uh" style of argumentation.  Make an assertion, imply anyone who disagrees with the assertion is stupid and/or evil, and when challenged to substantiate the assertion, respond with

a) "it's not my job to fix your racism/classism/homophobia/sizism/looksism/your character flaw.

b) "you can use Google just as well as I can"

c) "everyone knows this, the facts are out there"


I'm all about personal responsibility. Educate yourself, I don't care if you're dumb.
 
2014-02-10 03:36:17 PM

ferretman: Mell of a Hess: LessO2: Just a sad reminder that the media is swinging us back and forth like a cat strapped to a tether ball.
[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 331x400]


Damn - that was a good catch.
 
2014-02-10 03:38:59 PM
This is funny... While I can imagine the occasional Joe Sixpack forgetting about his gun and wandering into a school, or even the airport, I can NOT understand how a guy who specifically endorsed a change in the laws regarding bringing a gun onto school grounds would bring a gun onto school grounds.
 
2014-02-10 03:39:43 PM
Remeber this one fact, and all the world will become clearer to you.

Anyone, of any political stripe, who pushes for a ban on anything, always means for it to apply to others, and not to themselves.

I personally think you should be handed a card stating this before walking in to the voting booth, and it should be placed on the currency as a constant reminder to all.
 
2014-02-10 03:40:25 PM
Every single gun owner I know of (and myself included) are hoping that this guy gets the book thrown at him.


What we are expecting is that he won't, he'll get off with a wrist slap, be a free man and STILL carrying his gun with no consequences.  I so hope that happens, because then it gives us a chance to go after these laws to get them struck down.
 
2014-02-10 03:42:47 PM
Of course, I never know which publications you FARKers will decry as blatantly conservative, but this is an interesting 3rd-party article:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shoo tin gs-john-fund

A few things you won't hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:
Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.
In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.
Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.
The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.
Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K-12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.
Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects - the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that "gun-free" zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don't work.

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First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades "displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings." New York Timescolumnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. "Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?" asks Professor Jacobson. "I doubt it."

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. "Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a 'helpless-victim zone,'" says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. "Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage," Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances - from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. - where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.
 
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