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2014-02-10 02:58:07 PM  

tkwasny: Galloping Galoshes: diaphoresis: Guns kill people... guns occasionally miss.

This is why there needs to be more gun control.  If the homeowner had more gun control, none of them would have gotten away.
/get back to the range.

"well regulated" right in the 2nd amendment means well trained in 18th century speak. The state or feds are responsible to provide range time for its citizens.


And my state does.  There's a pay state range about 5 miles away and a free state range about 30 miles away.
 
2014-02-10 02:58:16 PM  

Anayalator: AngryDragon: Fail?  Did the big, bad gun scare you subby?

Homeowner should get a medal.

FAIL tag is for home invaders, your trolling.

I promise I've put more rounds down range than you and any two people you know combined.


That's an idiotic statement.  You can't possibly know that, and so it makes you just as stupid as him for saying.

If he can count me as someone he knows (which isn't really reasonable, but for the sake of argument), I've got not less than half a million rounds down range, and another 100k of ballshot from BPs.  I don't actually keep close count, so that's a ballpark based on how much ammunition I've purchased/loaded and what I have left right now.  This of course doesn't account for any ammo I didn't provide while shooting, which would be fairly substantial if we could figure the number.

To put that in perspective, my 30.06 is on it's second barrel.  It's hardly the only gun I shoot, its not even number 1.
 
2014-02-10 02:58:16 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: JesseL: Nana's Vibrator: Smeggy Smurf: No, he needs more range time or a scattergun.  1 out of 3 isn't good enough

Though not confirmed, it's 2 out of 3 were shot; 1 was killed, and one was brought to the hospital with gunshot wounds.  She lived likely because of the gun control laws and how they always hurt women among other people who benefit from doing illegal alien minority things while the government tries to take my freedomballs.

Did you just have a stroke, or did your overzealous efforts to use sarcasm and irony collapse into some sort of derpy singularity from which meaning can't possibly escape?

you want to take away peoples' guns and now you're attacking my speech freedom so that dangerous criminals can live while you work on their tax money for border jumping Obamacare welfare thieves national debt?


o_0

If was going to take away people's guns it would only be to create market demand so I could sell them new ones. That would probably upset the customers though.

/unabashed and fully licensed merchant of death
 
2014-02-10 02:59:25 PM  

Silly_Sot: How long before liberal outrage demands the resident be prosecuted for daring to have a firearm and use it in legitimate self-defense?


how long before we ask if the resident purchased the firearm more than two weeks ago and submitted a drivers license at purchase time for a background check? cause if he did, than nothing that happened here goes against what most goshdurn yellerbellied libruls are tryina take from muricans. also, doesn't go against what most polls show 90%+ percent of gun owners think.

if the firearm was purchased without a waiting period or using a background-check loophole, then ... well, the libruls might have left him with his dick in hand. or, he might have just bought it somewhere else and everything would be the same.
 
2014-02-10 02:59:42 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: tkwasny: Galloping Galoshes: diaphoresis: Guns kill people... guns occasionally miss.

This is why there needs to be more gun control.  If the homeowner had more gun control, none of them would have gotten away.
/get back to the range.

"well regulated" right in the 2nd amendment means well trained in 18th century speak. The state or feds are responsible to provide range time for its citizens.

I could go for that.  Couldn't we argue that means practice loads as well?


Sure, if you don't mind hand loading single shot BP rifles.
 
2014-02-10 03:00:02 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Headso: That Guy Jeff: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

How does giving part of your paycheck to a corrupt union boss in exchange for 15 cent an hour more on Sundays help prevent poverty? Or are you referring to unions "back in the day"?

you gotta get your talkingpoints in order, unions are supposedly bankrupting the government and companies because they get too much for their workers that it makes them unable to compete with the slave labor in china.

I don't know anything about that. My only experience with unions so far has been a long time ago when I worked for minimum wage as a grocery bagger they wanted a non-trivial portion of my paycheck in exchange for 15 cents on hour extra on Sundays. And I was required to be part of the union, but they couldn't just take the money out of my paycheck, so when it really came down to "pay up or your fired" I just quit and got a different minimum wage job that didn't take part of my paycheck.

I'm sure there's other perfectly good reasons to hate the modern union, but that's mine.Worker's rights back in the 19-whatevers? Awesome, good job raising the standards for everyone. Now? Just another layer of sleazy bureaucracy trying to separate you from your money.


your only experience with unions is...but then you....and then the assertions in your last senten.... eh whatever, rock on, champ!
 
2014-02-10 03:00:54 PM  
JesseL:

If was going to take away people's guns it would only be to create market demand so I could sell them new ones. That would probably upset the customers though.


Cash for Clunkers
 
2014-02-10 03:02:12 PM  

cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.


My gut reaction is to disagree with you, but it's more my reaction to unions.  This will get worse before it gets better.
 
2014-02-10 03:02:23 PM  

JesseL: unabashed and fully licensed merchant of death


I've been out of the gun habit for years, considering getting one for range time. I was very comfortable with the Beretta 92F/M9, I see the 96 is in .40 which is what most of my friends fire (so we can split ammo costs), but is it otherwise the same feel?
 
2014-02-10 03:03:07 PM  

Kahabut: Sure, if you don't mind hand loading single shot BP rifles.


So, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to TV, radio, or the internet?
 
2014-02-10 03:03:12 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2014-02-10 03:03:27 PM  

vudukungfu: Good.
But you need more range time.


3 attackers, one dead, the second hit multiple times, didn't take a shot at the third... probably because he was already running the fark away at that point?

Nah, shooter's technical skills are fine, possibly even exceptional.  Since if there was any collateral damage or injury it'd be mentioned in TFA, this is pretty much perfect-score on self-defense with a firearm.  Even trained soldiers  wish they could pull that kind of precision off when attacked.
 
2014-02-10 03:03:51 PM  

cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.


Right, because that explains Aaron Hernandez
 
2014-02-10 03:04:27 PM  

Boojum2k: JesseL: unabashed and fully licensed merchant of death

I've been out of the gun habit for years, considering getting one for range time. I was very comfortable with the Beretta 92F/M9, I see the 96 is in .40 which is what most of my friends fire (so we can split ammo costs), but is it otherwise the same feel?


Should be really close. Generally going from a 9mm to a .40 means recoil gets a bit snappier, but IIRC the 96 has a heavier slide so it's probably a wash.
 
2014-02-10 03:05:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 3 attackers, one dead, the second hit multiple times, didn't take a shot at the third... probably because he was already running the fark away at that point?


Two out of three ain't bad. Better than LAPD, for certain.
 
2014-02-10 03:07:58 PM  

cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.


Troller Puh-leez.
 
2014-02-10 03:08:31 PM  
I don't need guns cuz if they come at me bros I'm gonna fire mah lazer.
 
2014-02-10 03:09:49 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: cig-mkr: I own and believe in guns, but I don't think I'd ever want to kill someone in my house. I would if need be, but really wouldn't want to. A gun is like a jack in your car, don't ever want to use one but will if I have to.

Does insurance cover replacing the carpet?  Plus you probably have to repaint the wall he was standing in front of.

We should encourage home invaders to break in via the kitchen; the linoleum (or tile) is much easier to clean.


Your homeowner's insurance will cover this.

/My Mom told me - really
 
2014-02-10 03:09:54 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: AngryDragon: onyxruby: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

Some of us are pro union and pro gun. Quite a few more people than I think you realize. There are even people that support all 10 rights in the Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, the ACLU are not a part of those people.  Sad.

ACLU is big on amendments. They've actually worked/sided d with the NRA on cases.



Not unless you're in a militia.

"Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.  ":

... and "In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment.  "

https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform _i mmigrants-rights/second-amendment
 
2014-02-10 03:10:02 PM  

JesseL: Should be really close. Generally going from a 9mm to a .40 means recoil gets a bit snappier, but IIRC the 96 has a heavier slide so it's probably a wash.


Thanks!
 
2014-02-10 03:10:53 PM  

Headso: That Guy Jeff: Headso: That Guy Jeff: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

How does giving part of your paycheck to a corrupt union boss in exchange for 15 cent an hour more on Sundays help prevent poverty? Or are you referring to unions "back in the day"?

you gotta get your talkingpoints in order, unions are supposedly bankrupting the government and companies because they get too much for their workers that it makes them unable to compete with the slave labor in china.

I don't know anything about that. My only experience with unions so far has been a long time ago when I worked for minimum wage as a grocery bagger they wanted a non-trivial portion of my paycheck in exchange for 15 cents on hour extra on Sundays. And I was required to be part of the union, but they couldn't just take the money out of my paycheck, so when it really came down to "pay up or your fired" I just quit and got a different minimum wage job that didn't take part of my paycheck.

I'm sure there's other perfectly good reasons to hate the modern union, but that's mine.Worker's rights back in the 19-whatevers? Awesome, good job raising the standards for everyone. Now? Just another layer of sleazy bureaucracy trying to separate you from your money.

your only experience with unions is...but then you....and then the assertions in your last senten.... eh whatever, rock on, champ!


My experience with unions is that they protect the weak and stupid.  I worked in the food product industry for a short while, and had the opportunity to be in both union and non-union shops.  Same area, same industry, but the non-union shop was cleaner, people were nicer, I made more money, and had better benefits.  Also, no potheads ran me over with a forklift like they did at the union shop, which was full of surly alcoholics who couldn't be fired.

Apparently I'm not the only one in Wisconsin who had a negative experience with unions.
 
2014-02-10 03:11:53 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

Troller Puh-leez.


Oh look, a newb
 
2014-02-10 03:13:03 PM  

Road Rash: and "In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. "https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform _i mmigrants-rights/second-amendment


The ACLU is a good organization, but they have a lot of Euroweenie wannabes running the show, and while a lot of Europe's social programs would probably do well here (after much resistance) their gun laws would not. Completely different cultures.
 
2014-02-10 03:13:27 PM  

Molavian: My experience with unions is that they protect the weak and stupid.  I worked in the food product industry for a short while, and had the opportunity to be in both union and non-union shops.  Same area, same industry, but the non-union shop was cleaner, people were nicer, I made more money, and had better benefits.  Also, no potheads ran me over with a forklift like they did at the union shop, which was full of surly alcoholics who couldn't be fired.

Apparently I'm not the only one in Wisconsin who had a negative experience with unions.


The new hotness is employee-owned or co-op businesses where the union doesn't get between the money and the worker. Turns out elected representatives sometimes screw over their constituents for personal gain, sad but true.
 
2014-02-10 03:14:50 PM  

Boojum2k: Kahabut: Sure, if you don't mind hand loading single shot BP rifles.

So, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to TV, radio, or the internet?


You really want to have the semantics argument?  The first doesn't specifically mention any form of media.  The second specifically mentions a well regulated milita, which could be argued that it means the militia of the time, which was armed with single shot hand loaded BP rifles.

So if you are going to argue that the government should provide that training and cover the costs, then I'm going to make literalism jokes about it.
 
2014-02-10 03:15:41 PM  

Phony_Soldier: AugieDoggyDaddy: Galloping Galoshes: As a pro-gun rights farker, I say confidently that there's not enough info in that story to draw any conclusion, other than there's a dead guy leaking on the rug.

I'm not very pro-gun,  but you pretty much right about that.   Isn't 5:28 an odd time for a home invasion?

"Isn't 5:28 an odd time for a home invasion?"

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm a pro-gun conservative, but I would wait until the facts are in before I too draw any conclusion.

/Also, I wouldn't celebrate the death of another human being, but that's just me.


Thank you for the dose of sanity.  Holy crap, this isn't a farking Hollywood movie...these are actual people dying.  I have absolutely no problem with someone defending themselves and/or their property, but cheering the death of someone, and bemoaning the lack of further death is borderline psychotic.  There is not enough info in this story to justify such a gleeful reaction.

These tough guys are the kind of people who make me cringe when it comes to the gun debate...the Dirty Harry wannabe motherfarkers that sit around just hoping for some "action".  These assholes make it sound like lethal force should be the first option, no matter the situation, and criticize others for not being lethal enough.  fark them in their perpetually puckered sphincters.
 
2014-02-10 03:16:15 PM  

Molavian: I made more money, and had better benefits.


lol
 
2014-02-10 03:16:27 PM  

That Guy Jeff: Headso: That Guy Jeff: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

How does giving part of your paycheck to a corrupt union boss in exchange for 15 cent an hour more on Sundays help prevent poverty? Or are you referring to unions "back in the day"?

you gotta get your talkingpoints in order, unions are supposedly bankrupting the government and companies because they get too much for their workers that it makes them unable to compete with the slave labor in china.

I don't know anything about that. My only experience with unions so far has been a long time ago when I worked for minimum wage as a grocery bagger they wanted a non-trivial portion of my paycheck in exchange for 15 cents on hour extra on Sundays. And I was required to be part of the union, but they couldn't just take the money out of my paycheck, so when it really came down to "pay up or your fired" I just quit and got a different minimum wage job that didn't take part of my paycheck.

I'm sure there's other perfectly good reasons to hate the modern union, but that's mine.Worker's rights back in the 19-whatevers? Awesome, good job raising the standards for everyone. Now? Just another layer of sleazy bureaucracy trying to separate you from your money.


But you still voted for Obama over McCain in 2008, right?
 
2014-02-10 03:16:51 PM  

China White Tea: CanuckInCA: Silly_Sot: How long before liberal outrage demands the resident be prosecuted for daring to have a firearm and use it in legitimate self-defense?

I seriously doubt you'll see people advocating the prosecution of somebody defending themselves in a home invasion no matter how liberal they are, but please continue trolling...

I dunno, if you get home-invaded in the UK, I'm pretty sure you can be found criminally liable if you don't offer the invader a spot of tea and some biscuits.


That really only applies if they invade your home between half three and five o'clock.
 
2014-02-10 03:18:36 PM  

Road Rash: Not unless you're in a militia.


A militia is by definition not government-controlled (or in the case of state militias, not federally controlled), so by that logic you  still can't restrict the ownership of guns by private individuals, because that would de-facto be banning militias.

Note the amendment doesn't say "only state militias (in modern parlance, the national guard units)" it just says 'militias'.  A well-regulated militia means a group of armed, private citizens that are well-trained in the use of their arms... so even if you're going with it being a prerequisite clause... it's still saying that the government can't make any laws preventing citizens from forming, essentially, their own paramilitary groups.

Being able to buy guns and not be oppressed by the government over it... is a prerequisite for the existence of a militia.  So... even by your own logic, your conclusions fail.

// States likewise can't restrict gun sales beyond the usual restrictions on enumerated rights for the same reasons the 1st amendment expands to apply to their regulation of religion and the press.
 
2014-02-10 03:21:34 PM  
Knock knock. Who's there? Home Invasion. Home invasion who? Home inva...powpowpowpowpow

That can't be how it went down. One of the perps was found inside, which means the homeowner didn't employ the Joe Biden, "shoot thru the door" technique.
 
2014-02-10 03:21:38 PM  

Kahabut: The first doesn't specifically mention any form of media


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

If it's not you talking unaided or using ink, it ain't covered, by your blackpowder analogy.

Look, you made the stupid statement. Let it go man, 1st rule of holes.
 
2014-02-10 03:22:23 PM  

Kahabut: Anayalator: AngryDragon: Fail?  Did the big, bad gun scare you subby?

Homeowner should get a medal.

FAIL tag is for home invaders, your trolling.

I promise I've put more rounds down range than you and any two people you know combined.

That's an idiotic statement.  You can't possibly know that, and so it makes you just as stupid as him for saying.

If he can count me as someone he knows (which isn't really reasonable, but for the sake of argument), I've got not less than half a million rounds down range, and another 100k of ballshot from BPs.  I don't actually keep close count, so that's a ballpark based on how much ammunition I've purchased/loaded and what I have left right now.  This of course doesn't account for any ammo I didn't provide while shooting, which would be fairly substantial if we could figure the number.

To put that in perspective, my 30.06 is on it's second barrel.  It's hardly the only gun I shoot, its not even number 1.


question from a non-gun owner. When do you know it is time to replace the barrel ? Is it a noticeable always off by X or random grouping on the target etc ? or just I have fired x amount of ammo through this, time to replace ?

Honesty curious librul
 
2014-02-10 03:24:10 PM  

Kahabut: Boojum2k: Kahabut: Sure, if you don't mind hand loading single shot BP rifles.

So, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to TV, radio, or the internet?

You really want to have the semantics argument?  The first doesn't specifically mention any form of media.  The second specifically mentions a well regulated milita, which could be argued that it means the militia of the time, which was armed with single shot hand loaded BP rifles.

So if you are going to argue that the government should provide that training and cover the costs, then I'm going to make literalism jokes about it.


The supreme court specifically addressed the argument that the second amendment might apply only to weapons in use at the time it was drafted.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html 
"Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35-36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.  "
 
2014-02-10 03:25:09 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Silly_Sot: How long before liberal outrage demands the resident be prosecuted for daring to have a firearm and use it in legitimate self-defense?

Do you have proof he was in danger?


Do you have proof he wasn't?

/See, works both ways pal
 
2014-02-10 03:25:37 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Road Rash: Not unless you're in a militia.

A militia is by definition not government-controlled (or in the case of state militias, not federally controlled), so by that logic you  still can't restrict the ownership of guns by private individuals, because that would de-facto be banning militias.

Note the amendment doesn't say "only state militias (in modern parlance, the national guard units)" it just says 'militias'.  A well-regulated militia means a group of armed, private citizens that are well-trained in the use of their arms... so even if you're going with it being a prerequisite clause... it's still saying that the government can't make any laws preventing citizens from forming, essentially, their own paramilitary groups.

Being able to buy guns and not be oppressed by the government over it... is a prerequisite for the existence of a militia.   So... even by your own logic, your conclusions fail.

// States likewise can't restrict gun sales beyond the usual restrictions on enumerated rights for the same reasons the 1st amendment expands to apply to their regulation of religion and the press.



My conclusions don't fail - the ACLU's do. That's their position, not mine. I was merely letting a previous poster know that the ACLU is no friend of an individula's right to keep and bear arms.
 
2014-02-10 03:25:49 PM  

cman: Whatchoo Talkinbout: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

Troller Puh-leez.

Oh look, a newb


And still spotted you.
 
2014-02-10 03:26:34 PM  

kindms: Kahabut: Anayalator: AngryDragon: Fail?  Did the big, bad gun scare you subby?

Homeowner should get a medal.

FAIL tag is for home invaders, your trolling.

I promise I've put more rounds down range than you and any two people you know combined.

That's an idiotic statement.  You can't possibly know that, and so it makes you just as stupid as him for saying.

If he can count me as someone he knows (which isn't really reasonable, but for the sake of argument), I've got not less than half a million rounds down range, and another 100k of ballshot from BPs.  I don't actually keep close count, so that's a ballpark based on how much ammunition I've purchased/loaded and what I have left right now.  This of course doesn't account for any ammo I didn't provide while shooting, which would be fairly substantial if we could figure the number.

To put that in perspective, my 30.06 is on it's second barrel.  It's hardly the only gun I shoot, its not even number 1.

question from a non-gun owner. When do you know it is time to replace the barrel ? Is it a noticeable always off by X or random grouping on the target etc ? or just I have fired x amount of ammo through this, time to replace ?

Honesty curious librul


Nobody uses guns.  We just want to have them!  My rights Newtown methlab Obama donut store 1% abortion dumpster factory Zimmerman!
 
2014-02-10 03:26:42 PM  

thamike: COMALite J: Were it not for the NRA, the ACLU would also be supporting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in legal cases that they support..

The ACLU does support 2nd Amendment cases, same as they do the rest of the Constitution.  That's kind of their thing.


The ACLU's position is that the Supreme Court was Wrong in both Heller and McDonald:

"Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right...For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision inUnited States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view...the Supreme Court's decision inD.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment...Although ACLU policy cites the Supreme Court's decision inU.S. v. Miller as support for our position on the Second Amendment, our policy was never dependent onMiller. Rather, like all ACLU policies, it reflects the ACLU's own understanding of the Constitution and civil liberties."
 
2014-02-10 03:28:06 PM  

kindms: question from a non-gun owner. When do you know it is time to replace the barrel ? Is it a noticeable always off by X or random grouping on the target etc ? or just I have fired x amount of ammo through this, time to replace ?

Honesty curious librul


When it stops shooting as well as you need it to - assuming of course that all the other factors that might cause it not to shoot well have been eliminated as causes. Stuff like copper fouling, a damaged crown, etc.
 
2014-02-10 03:28:09 PM  

lordjupiter: That Guy Jeff: Headso: That Guy Jeff: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

How does giving part of your paycheck to a corrupt union boss in exchange for 15 cent an hour more on Sundays help prevent poverty? Or are you referring to unions "back in the day"?

you gotta get your talkingpoints in order, unions are supposedly bankrupting the government and companies because they get too much for their workers that it makes them unable to compete with the slave labor in china.

I don't know anything about that. My only experience with unions so far has been a long time ago when I worked for minimum wage as a grocery bagger they wanted a non-trivial portion of my paycheck in exchange for 15 cents on hour extra on Sundays. And I was required to be part of the union, but they couldn't just take the money out of my paycheck, so when it really came down to "pay up or your fired" I just quit and got a different minimum wage job that didn't take part of my paycheck.

I'm sure there's other perfectly good reasons to hate the modern union, but that's mine.Worker's rights back in the 19-whatevers? Awesome, good job raising the standards for everyone. Now? Just another layer of sleazy bureaucracy trying to separate you from your money.

But you still voted for Obama over McCain in 2008, right?


Yup. unions are a pretty trivial concern compared to reining in the national security state and stopping wars. Hah, joke was on me though, McCain couldn't possibly have done a worse job on those matters than Obama has. Though, given only those two options, Obama was still probably the better choice just based off Palin being one heart attack away from the oval office. Now THAT would be scary. I sure wish there had been a real opponent to Obama in 2012; I hate to see liars rewarded. I'm disappointed the GOP couldn't pull someone even half decent out, like that Huntsman fella. Not perfect, but at least an alternative. But I digress. Unions: awful and worse than worthless in their current form. Anyone who admires them apparently stopped paying attention to them after the 1920s or so.
 
2014-02-10 03:28:37 PM  

Cold_Sassy: HaywoodJablonski: Silly_Sot: How long before liberal outrage demands the resident be prosecuted for daring to have a firearm and use it in legitimate self-defense?

Do you have proof he was in danger?

Do you have proof he wasn't?

/See, works both ways pal


Knock knock.
Who is it?
Girl Scout Cookies.
Come on in.
Powpowpowpow
Bwahahahaha. The Thin Mints are MINE!

Hey, it could happen.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:00 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: kindms: Kahabut: Anayalator: AngryDragon: Fail?  Did the big, bad gun scare you subby?

Homeowner should get a medal.

FAIL tag is for home invaders, your trolling.

I promise I've put more rounds down range than you and any two people you know combined.

That's an idiotic statement.  You can't possibly know that, and so it makes you just as stupid as him for saying.

If he can count me as someone he knows (which isn't really reasonable, but for the sake of argument), I've got not less than half a million rounds down range, and another 100k of ballshot from BPs.  I don't actually keep close count, so that's a ballpark based on how much ammunition I've purchased/loaded and what I have left right now.  This of course doesn't account for any ammo I didn't provide while shooting, which would be fairly substantial if we could figure the number.

To put that in perspective, my 30.06 is on it's second barrel.  It's hardly the only gun I shoot, its not even number 1.

question from a non-gun owner. When do you know it is time to replace the barrel ? Is it a noticeable always off by X or random grouping on the target etc ? or just I have fired x amount of ammo through this, time to replace ?

Honesty curious librul

Nobody uses guns.  We just want to have them!  My rights Newtown methlab Obama donut store 1% abortion dumpster factory Zimmerman!


Bam, this thread shoots to the top of all google search results.
 
2014-02-10 03:29:50 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: cman: Whatchoo Talkinbout: cman: If only people were so rabidly pro-union as they are pro-second amendment we wouldn't have these robberies as often

Poverty begets crime. Drugs begets poverty. Misery begets drugs.

Troller Puh-leez.

Oh look, a newb

And still spotted you.


I wasn't trolling, newb
 
2014-02-10 03:31:43 PM  
Good example of why someone would need more than 7 or 10 or fill-in-the-blank arbitrary number of rounds. There can be more than one assailant.
 
2014-02-10 03:32:14 PM  
2 notches on the front door. Nice.
 
2014-02-10 03:32:17 PM  

Prey4reign: Will gladly sing praises to the homeowner:

[www.pure7studios.com image 300x381]


I lol'd
 
2014-02-10 03:34:35 PM  

Deep Contact: 2 notches on the front door. Nice.


Little silhouettes would look better.
 
2014-02-10 03:35:07 PM  

iheartscotch: Got one, winged a second and the third got away; sounds like someone needs more range time or more/larger mags.

/ I've been looking at 10 round mags for my 1911; I'd have one, but, I hear bad things about the springs.


1) Back-up revolver.
 
2014-02-10 03:35:48 PM  

crusher2: In my county, two guys saw their stolen golf cart on a trailer behind a pickup truck. They turned around, ran them down, shot the tires out, and held them until police arrived. Now THEY are being charged for firing into a vehicle. smh


Uhh, yeah dude. This isn't farking Grand Theft Auto..
 
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